trump yet after trump repeatedly attacked the president for not using the term "radical islamic terrorism" when referring to the incident here and the president called the semantics a political distraction. >> what exactly would using this label mr. speakey label accomplish. an advisor not once said if we use this label, we will turn things around. if there is any out there confused who our enemies are, that would come as a surprise to the thousands of terrorists we have taken off the battlefield. there's no magic to the phrase, "radical islam." it's a political talking point. it's not a strategy. >> new this afternoon is pete williams reporting officials tell him the orlando shooter's buy drove mateen to the pulse

nightclub on a prior occasion and tried to talk him out of conducting any kind of attack. he will be along in a moment to give us new details. as americans pray for the vic m victims hospitalized here to recover, we also want to pay tribute to those who died. regularly on msnbc today you will see their names pop up on-screen. you will see the names scrolling on the bottom of your screen from time-to-time. that our tribute to them. we will get to politics in a moment and begin this hour with our ongoing investigation and learned omar mateen's current wife, noor, is cooperating with the fbi saying she did try to talk her husband out of doing something violent. pete joins us now. >> good afternoon. we tked to several people who are familiar with what they've been told and what the buy of omar mateen has told them since she's been questioned after the attack. she says that he asked her to

drive -- she asked -- he asked her to drive him to a couple of locations to -- that he was considering attacking. that included the pulse nightclub. that she was aware that he was intending to carry out some kind of attack. how specific her knowledge was about what exactly he was pl planning isn't clear to us, nor is it to the people we talked to, but she told the fbi she was aware he was planning something criminal and something violent and she tried to talk him out of it. she was with him when he bought some ammunition and a holster, that she was generally aware he was planning to carry out something violent but did not tell the authorities because she was hoping she could talk him out of it and hopeful she could succeed in getting him not to do something. the fact that he went hd and did this and she never told police

has exposed her to potentially criminal liability. the government is considering filing charges against her. they're continuing to talk to her staying at the home of mateen's father in florida. they have made no decisions yet whether to charge her. it's possible they will charge her with this violation. it's a difficult balancing act. on the other hand, she's an important source of information about what her husband was dagg in the days leading up to this, she may be the key source for that. on the other hand, if she did know he was going to do something and failed to say it, obviously they can't let that go and would probably file charges if they feel confident enough her knowledge was solid enough she should have said something. that's what they're trying to figure out now and trying to decide whether to file charges. >> pete, can i ask you about what the reporting earlier this morning, what we all woke up to this morning that perhaps omar mateen also spent time at the club, visited the club several

times prior and may have been on a dating website aimed at gay men. >> or at least used a dating app, used several dating apps according to several people who said they got messages from him. we know some who thought they got messages from dating apps have shown those to the fbi and the fbi said, naw, those are probably not right. there have been so many people who claim they saw him not only at pulse but other nightclubs in the orlando area, one official called that sort of overwhe overwhelming, there's little doubt the fbi now believes he probably was in these clubs. the question was what was he doing there? was he simply posing, trying to learn more, case the joint and figure out what these people were all about or conflicted about his own sexuality. they don't know the answer to that and they're very interested

in these accounts what people are saying. they're by no means dismissing them. >> pete williams following all aspects of the investigation. thank you very much. let me bring in former fbi deputy director, timur -- t tim murphy. thank you for your time. let me start with what we know today just reporting, the possibility of the man visiting this club pryor on one occasion with his wife and took him and brought him here. if you're in charge of the fbi investigation right now, what are your biggest leads? what are you pursuing? >> it won't be a linear investigation. the leads they will look at are his family connections to afghanistan, pakistan, some other groups they already acknowledged he may have been following or may have voiced his support for. you will start tracking down everybody he knows, look at his

entire -- what path did he take to this radicalization. he may have cased other locations and this one he was more comfortable with. it appears he was reporting he can provide the maximum impact of his act in a crowded venue like this to extract the maximum pain to the united states and the people of florida. >> what do you make of the reporting he may have been on several apps aimed at gay men who were dating. people have read that as perhaps he was just trying to reach out in the community so he could know more about the community he wanted to attack or have you seen other cases where someone is gay and becomes radicalized to deal with the inner battle they're fighting? >> i've seen no prior particular case like this. every single one of these cases is a little bit different. the fbi and other organizations

will also bring in behavior l t lists to determine his activities and before leading up to this event. it may be part of it, what peter said, that he's conflicted in his sexuality and the reason he picked that location. he visited a number of times and maybe trying to find out more. at this stage, you have to let this investigation play out. these leads are happening all over this country and the world. they will track this down and interview probably literally thousands of people in this investigation to try to really get a picture leading up to the event and during the event and since the act occurred. >> just as former fbi deputy director, i feel i must ask you about the trail here, the fbi director yesterday telling us they had eyes on this guy and were trailing him for 10 months, yet he's taken off the watch

li list, able to purchase weapons. how do you explain that? >> you have to get inside to the requirements that the fbi has on the attorney general guidelines and what they also use, a domestic operations guideline, agents and analysts have to operate under. you can only open investigations into u.s. citizens with reasonable suspicion of predicated acts and are reviewed sometimes on a 30 day basis by the supervisor with oversight so the fbi does not overstep its bounds when it comes to civil liberties in our country. that's not an fbi decision, policy decision by the people of the united states. that does have to be revisited. the attorney general guidelines, the most recent ones were promulgated in 2011. that should be a living document. the threat today is different. the fbi needs additional authorities without overstepping bounds and violating people's

civil liberties to continue some investigations. from what i understand, there's three types of investigations, assessment, preliminary investigation and a full. from my understanding this was a preliminary investigation which means they had approximately six months to find out if this individual's intentions and determine if he was a terrorist. it was extended for four months which means they needed a longer period of time to either rule him in or out as a terrorist. in this case, unfortunately, they ruled him out based on interviews with him and in his circle and surveillance monitoring of his communications as well. >> former dfbi director, tim tim murphy. appreciate it. on capitol hill, we're looking at bernie sanders speaking to the press. let's listen in. >> this country is appalled and disgusted and grieved by what

happened in orlando. it is impossible for any of us to understand what goes on in the sick mind of someone who commits and atrocity like this. was he motivated by the ideology of some fanatic islamic organization which believes it is somehow heroic to mow down innocent and defenseless men and women? was he motivated by homophobia and hatred of the gay community? was he motivated by some kind of hatred of latinos? was he suicidal and wanted to end his life by taking others with him? we may never know the answers to those questions but this is what we do know and we must never forget. we know that one hateful person committed this terrible crime, not an entire people or an

entire religion. the muslim people did not commit this horrific act, a man named omar mateen did. to blame an entire religion for the acts of a single individual is nothing less than bigotry and that is not what this country is supposed to be about. our goal as a nation must be to bring people together to prevent violence, prevent hatred and create the nation that we know standing together we can create. our goal must not be to allow politici politicians, donald trump, or any else, to divide us up, based on where our family came from, the color of our skin or our religion. we also know it is imperative

isis be destroyed. this is a barbaric organization which has caused massive suffering to hundreds of thousands of people in this middle east and let us not forget that most of the people who are suffering and dying as a result of isis are muslims. and by the way, it is muslim troops on the ground today who are taking the fight to isis as we speak and pushing them back and defeating them in iraq and syria. muslim troops. we also know we must do everything possible to improve local, state, federal and international cooperation to prevent further lone wolf type actions like we recently saw in orlando. this is not easy but we must accelerate our efforts to prevent the kind of mass murders that we saw in san bernardino

and now in orlando. further, i have believed for decades we must rethink the idea that assault weapons, like the one used last saturday night, which was legally purchased by the murderer, by an individual who was investigated by the fbi for possible terrorist connections who walked into a gun store and legally purchased that weapon, the idea these t e types of weapons designed to do one thing and one thing alone, kill people by the dozens, the idea they should be sold and distributed in this country seems to me to be terribly wrong. those types of weapons should be banned. let me now say a word about my views about where we go with regard to the democratic party. let me be as clear as i can be

that i think the time is now, in fact, the time is long overdue for a fundamental transformation of the democratic party. we need a party which is prepared to stand up for the disappearing middle class, for the 47 million people in this country who are living in pover poverty, and take on the greed of the powerful special inter t interests that are doing so much harm to this country who have so much power over the political and economic life of our country. we need to be spending time bringing working people and young people into the political process, not spending all kinds of time and energy raising money from wealthy individuals and large corporations. the american people are hurting and they are hurting badly.

they want real change, not the same old same old. while the very wealthy become richer and corporate profits soar, real unemployment in this country, not official unemployment, real unemployment is close to 10%. youth unemployment in inner c y cities and rural communities is often 30, 40% or even higher. most americans are working lo longer hours for lower wages and despite the successes of the affordable care act, tens of millions of americans still have no health insurance or they are underinsured with high dedi dedictables and co-payment's and millions more are unable to afford the outrainlgeously high prices of the pharmaceutical industry who charge us more for

our medicine than the people of any other country. life expect antsy, think about it, how long we live, for millions of americans, is today in decline, in decline. people are dying at younger ages than their mothers and their father s did. we have more people in jail today. 2.2 million than any other country on earth and we all know that our immigration system is broken. young people are sick and tired of going deeply into debt for what? simply to get a college degree at a time when we need the best educated work force in the world. climate change is a major crisis facing our country and our entire planet and yet we have not done anywhere near enough what we have to do to take on the fossil fuel industry and

transform our energy system away from coal and oil and gas in order to save the planet. people that i talk to on the campaign trail want to make sure the water they drink is clean and we end fracking. what do we have to do? how do we revitalize the democratic party? how do we make it easy for people to participate politic politically rather than have one of the lowest voter turnouts of any major country on earth. number one, i do believe we have to replace the current democratic national committee leadership. we need a person at the leadership of the dnc who is vigorously supporting and out working to bring people into the political process. yeah, i know political parties need money. but it is more important we have energy, that we have young

people, we have working class people who are going to participate in the political process and fight for their kids and for their parents. we need at the democratic national convention, to approve a progressive platform, the most progressive platform ever passed by the democratic party, a platform which makes it crystal clear that the democratic party is in fact on the side of working people, is on the side of low income people, is on the side of people who have no health insurance. is prepared to stand up to the powerful corporate interest whose greed is doing so much harm to this country. we need real electoral reform within the democratic party. that means, among many many other things, open primaries. the idea that in the state of

new york, the great state of new york, 3 million people could not participate in helping to select who the democratic or republican candidate for president would be because they had not registered, because they had register as an independent, democrat or republican is incomprehensible. we need same day registration. that means anybody in this country can walk in and get registered to vote on the day of a primary or caucus. we need adequate staffing and training to run elections in a way that is appropriate for our democracy. we now take it for granted but we should not. in this process, we have gone through a situation in arizona where people waited in line five

hours in order to cast their votes. how many tens of thousands of people simply gave up the right to vote and walked away. we need to make sure -- >> with everything happening in the news, it's maybe easy to forget washington, d.c. is actually voting today. it is the final democratic primary of this election season. we have been listening to senator bernie sanders on this day speaking in washington talking about the tragedy in orlando where i am but also talking about what he wants out of the democratic party, talking about a progressive platform he wants passed this sum the heart convention and saying he would call for new leadership of the dnc, democratic national committee specifically taking aim there, a reminder debbie wasserman-schultz will be our guest at 5:00 p.m. with chuck todd. meantime, we will take a quick break. after the break, more of president obama's blistering

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strikingly direct rebuttal today after hitting back at donald trump after saying the president is avoiding the term, "radical islam" and hillary clinton was speaking in pittsburgh about the same time the president spoke and she used very similar language to attack donald trump. >> first, he is fixated on the words, "radical islam." i must say, i find this strange. is donald trump suggesting that there are magic words that once utt uttered, will stop terrorists from coming after us? trump as usual is obsessed with name-calling. from my prif, it matters what we do, not just what we say. >> for more, let's turn to msnbc's ron allen at the white house today and kasie hunt is covering the campaign from pittsburgh today. very sharp language from the president. maybe we could even say one of

the sharpest rebukes we've ever heard out of him. >> reporter: yeah. i would expect there's a lot more to come. the orlando massacre isis fight, it all came together today for president obama. remember, he just left a meeting of his national security team. these issues are very very important to the president. the way he sees this, it's about america's values and national security. he essentially is saying the kinds of things donald trump has been saying are a threat to national security. it's not just donald trump, i think the president would add, the republicans who agree with him. the stakes are very high. the the president has been cho p chomping at the bit to get out on the campaign trail to win this election for hillary clinton. his legacy is on the line, so much what he fought for the past 7 1/2 years is on the line and feels very passionate about it. in this moment what you saw so

much has come together the president also said these mass shootings around the country are the most devastating thing to him that he has not been able to deal with during his time in office and also pushes hard for more gun safety measures and the administration reached its wits end what it can do through executive action to make changes in this area and today, that's why i think you saw so much emotion and passion and anguish of the president trying to speak out as forcefully as he can how he feels about this. for him, fundamental values of what americans stand for and who we are, bigotry, how minorities are treated, gays, you name it, it all came together in orlando and comments since then. >> it almost seemed like he was coordinating or perhaps clinton was coordinating with the white

house, is that possible? >> it certainly sounded as though they were reading off the exact same page, kate. you played those two sound bites where they both talked about radical islamic terrorism. i was listening to president obama while i was in the room with hillary clinton and they said those lines nearly seconds apart and also on the same page talking about guns. one area hillary clinton stood out a little bit was in her defense of president obama over comments that donald trump made in some interviews yesterday. take a look. >> yesterday morning, just one day after the massacre, he went on tv and suggested that president obama is on the side of the terrorists. now, just think about that for a second. even in a time of divided politics, this is way beyond

anything that should be said by someone running for president of the united states. >> reporter: she went on to ask republican leaders whether they would stand up to their nominee or whether they would agree with this. and she said that those composites donald trump made were disrespectful to those who died and were wounded in the orlando massacre. i will say also the entire day the last two days really, even her third public event tomorrow, all designed to contrast with donald trump in tone, in style. there were no campaign signs waving at this event. in many ways the speech was similar to the national security address she gave. her tone much more somber, voice, slower, more careful, very much trying to create that contrast with donald trump both implicitly and explicitly, kate. >> kasie hunt, ron allen at the white house, thanks, appreciate

it. joining me, hallie jackson covering the trump campaign from greensboro, where he will hold a speech tonight. i can imagine the next volley. trump took credit for forcing clinton to use the words "radical islam" and will he take credit for obama using that term? >> reporter: we will find out in a couple of hours. when he comes to hold his first rally since the shooting in orlando. he has already responded to president obama just within the last hour telling the associated press that the president claims to know our enemy and continues to prioritize our enemy over our allies and adding when i am president, it will always be america first. expect to hear something similar from trump along those lines when he heads to this rally late tonight not just president obama

but hillary clinton as well. already what you are hearing from fellow republicans on capitol hill kate is concern about this. senator mitch mcconnell not answering questions about donald trump on thehill today and paul ryan asked about trump at several press conferences reiterating he does not support putting forward a temporary muslim ban and he believes it should be a security test and not regulation test. senator bob corker remember had come out as an early supporter after trump's first major foreign policy speech had been rumored to be on the vp list y saying he is discouraged by donald trump's campaign, the tone of the campaign and is essentially frustrated by what has happened so far and saying he did not think that the speech donald trump gave yesterday is one somebody would give if they're looking to lead the country in difficult times,

striking particularly coming from senator corker, kate, as we get more reactions from capitol hill and getting different questions about their presumptive republican nominee and are at this point unavo unavoidab unavoidable. >> hallie jackson covering the trump campaign. let's bring in benji who has spoken to several republicans dismayed with donald trump. what are they saying? >> she gave you a sense of what's going on here. they would rather be anywhere than here answering questions about donald trump. and jeff flake of arizona and robert corker have not endorsed trump and the pervasive feeling i got they would rather not talk about this. i went to pat toomey who went to pennsylvania and said he hasn't been following trump's comments

closely and didn't want to comment as a result. i went to the senator from north carolina and asked what he thought of his comment s and said, hmm and walked onto the senate floor. this is not a party dying to talk about their presumptive nominee and all the answers reflect that. >> benjy, so interesting, thanks. coming up, the democratic party hacked by a foreign government. who had access and for how long when we come back.

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beginning last summer. let's turn to tom costello following all the latest on this from washington, d.c. what do we know? >> hi, kate. good afternoon. it appears according to computer experts, two intelligence agencies with headquarters or base of operations is responsible one connected to former kgb and the other russian intelligence. it would appear it began last summer gaining access to the dnc's computers and in doing so they had access to e-mails and chat conversations and opposition research knot only on -- well on republican candidates primarily including marco rubio, ted cruz and front-runner, donald trump. one would expect there was an awful lot of material here that might have related to foreign policy discussions, economic discussi discussions, perhaps even nato and nuclear weapons, et cetera.

part of the conversation the democratic national committee gathers to gather data on the republicans and the republicans do the exact same thing on democrats. what value is this to the russian intelligence agencies and does this feed into the database of information they can use not only on a potential president down the road, president trump or clinton but in addition to that, potential blackmail material down the world, not necessarily blackma l blackmailing a presidential candidate but somebody who could be low in the organization but in a few years might be in the state department or treasury or white house and be susceptible to blackmail. all this raising red flags. the fbi is involved. what we don't know is whether the rnc also had its computers hacked and tonight, moscow s saying it was not involved, however, the former ambassador to moscow telling nbc news he is not at all surprised at this.

this is a very aggressive campaign launched by president putin with his allies in moscow to take on all u.s. interesting be they political, economic, social, media to use in effective espionage cases. kate. >> tom costello following all that. thanks so much. hillary clinton has already weighed in on the data breach. here's what she told my colleague, jose balart. >> this seems like another example they're trying to vacuum up information. why, we don't know yet. so far as we know, my campaign has not been hacked into. we're obviously looking hard at that. cybersecurity will be an issue i will be absolutely focused on as president because whether it's russia, china, iran or north korea, more and more countries

are hacking to steal information to use it to their advantage and we can't let that go on. >> jose joins me in orlando. you speak with her moments ago and other issues as well and talked about gun control in light of what happened here. >> reporter: donald trump said last night her interest was to take away all the guns from all americans and leave only guns in the hands of bad people. i asked her about that. she said once again, donald trump was lying about that. she insisted what she looks for is something like what her husband, president clinton was able to get, assault on automatthe weapons he was able to get it on and says the second amendment is not the case, an interesting way of threading the needle on this issue. >> you will have more on telemundo but perhaps tomorrow morning? >> absolutely. much more tomorrow at 10:00 a.m.

eastern on our program on "msnbc live." also on telemundo tonight at 6:30. >> they're telling me more at 4:00. >> reporter: absolutely. >> nice be here with you but for such a terrible thing. >> and the latino community has been so affected by this. >> i know. we will be speaking to a mexican-american family. next on the house floor, democrats shout for the republican majority to take some action on gun control. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, ere, everywhere. uned states postalervice

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luke russert is there with more. where do things stand right now in this legislative session on the interest of gun control? are there any new bills making their way through congress? >> kate, there are some available, from a grab back that's put forward in a bi-pa bipartisan manner, one called no-fly no buy, if you're on a terrorist watchlist you should not be able to purchase a firearm and the mansion-toomey bill that would close the gun show loophole. they had some momentum at one time and moderate republicans members from new york and illinois but went nowhere in the republican controlled house and republican controlled gnat. i think it's probably safe to say that if the massacre around 20 kindergarteners and first

graders was not able to get congress to move from the strength of the gun lobby this terrorist attack in orlando probably won't either. this is an issue republicans are very much entrenched because they honestly see if they go against the nra many feel they will be challenged in a primary and can kiss their political careers good-bye and simply don't believe it's worth it. it's important to point out when democrats had their largest majorities in 2006 and 2008, they really ran away from the issue of gun control. they did it a lot in 2012 as well. it's not something they wanted to be around. harry reid had backing from the nra at one point went out of his way for his members not to take tough gun votes or strong on gun rights, they could do that. it's an issue the gun lobby has won pretty thoroughly the past 10 years. >> luke russert on capitol hill. obviously for some republican senat senators, it's a matter of

principle. senator lindsey graham is opp e opposing any democratic calls. he said gun laws that are stricter would not prevent the act like in orlando. >> this is not an issue of gun control, folks. if gun control could protect from radical attacks like that, there would be no paris and they died at the hands of radical islamists using weapons, bombs, pla planes, guns. it's not the instrument talent, it's the attitude. this is not a gun control problem. we're at war and we're treating it like a crime. >> we invited senator graham to join us this afternoon and got no response. we also asked other republican senators to join us live today. none were available. for the record, an open invitation to join me. we're joined by congressman

casey, and a mother who lost her child. i have talked to too many moms from tragedies. i know, nicole, that every time something like this happens you've told me before it brings you right back to where you were when your son was lost. >> absolutely. i completely go into a state of shock when i first hear about these things and then i just start grieving all over again because do i have a sense of the pain that these families and this community is going through as well as the road ahead of them. it's horrific and preventable. it's disgusting that as a nation we continue to allow this to happen. >> what do you say to someone like senator graham, you just heard him, says a gun is essentially the weapon of choice but what this really is all about is terrorism. >> i think the hypocrisy that i

am hearing from certain members of congress is just astounding. in one breath, they say you can't put in gun safety regulations or restrictions and paint all gun owners with the same brush because of the act of one person, yet on the other hand, they say, it's very easy to paint an entire people and their religion based on the actions of one person. as far as i'm aware, this is an open investigation. they are still trying to understand the motivations of this man, whether this shooter was inspired by a radical ideology or whether he was simply a very unstable person unsure of his own sexuality and place and trying to somehow demonstrate some bizarre sense of masculinity by attacking the lbgt community. we don't know those answers yet. i think you can't separate domestic terrorism and gun

violence. people are dead and it was preventable. that's what joins them together and that's what we should be focused on. >> senator casey, you wrote in a block post on media last night you once thought passing new gun laws will not prevent mass mass. you don't feel that way now, why not? >> i think one word. newtown. and i want to say to nicole, we haven't met, but i wish i could have met your son dillon. this tragedy in newtown and tragedies before it and therefore, i think challenged me and i think challenged a lot of people to say to yourself, is there nothing, and this is the point of view of the other side, is there nothing we can do in the united states of america to prevent these tragedies? i think the answer to that has to be that we can do something, has to be that we take action. it doesn't mean that there's a magic wand. one bill won't do it. we need a series of bills that

have to be passed, whether it's background checks, or a ban on the military-style weapons. there's a whole range of things we have to do. but the worst thing we can do is surrender and say there's nothing that the united states of america -- which responded the way we did in the years after 9/11, and prevented a lot of deaths from terrorisms -- cannot do the same in the context of gun violence. i think we've got to act. >> let me ask you, senator, the nra said that kr-15s account for 1/4 account for all the rifles in this country. they're used for marksmanship, hunting, training. so they're making the argument that it's not the right route to go to restrict those weapons. you say what? >> the problem, kate, is that in this un cacountry, we have peop getting access to those types of

weapons that should not get access to them. people that have major challenges in their life, whether it's a mental issue, or a problem with their hate or their rage directed at one group of americans or one kind of person, and they're getting access to these weapons. doesn't matter how many of produced. one of these weapons can kill not just 50 people or a hundred people, one of these weapons by one person in a short time frame, in a matter of minutes, could kill hundreds of people. one of the horrors that i contemplated in the aftermath of sandy hook and newtown was the fact that if this killer had more time, he would have massacred hundreds of children. that's what the evidence shows. so to talk about market share or the percentage, that misses the point. this is a weapon that we've never had before, and it's a weapon that's gtetting in the hands of people that are full of

rage, full of hate, and this crime in orlando was both a terrorist attack by an individual terrorist, but it was also a hate crime, and that's why we need to deal with this issue of hate earlier in the process rather than later. >> nicole, the senator said he have to do something, make some kind of change. we've been here before. how do you convince lawmakers beyond senator casey that now is the moment? >> you know, our senators and congress people listen to the american citizens. if you don't raise your voice on this issue, if you don't engage in this issue, if you just watch the news and then turn away, praying and hoping next time it's not your community that's hit, if that's all you do, then you are not helping. you need to make your voice heard. you need to make those calls. there are things that you need to do in our own home and community to know the signs of someone who is at risk. but you have to have a voice.

without doing that, our lawmakers will continue to debate this polarizing issue in a way that does not create solutions and people will continue to die every single day. and i don't know about you, but that's not the america i know, that's not the america i love, and it's not the america that we should striving for for our children. >> nicole hockly, founder of sandy hook promise, senator bob casey of pennsylvania, thank you both for spending time with us this afternoon. after the break, my conversation with the brother of one of the victims here in orlando, a victim of the massacre. [ guitar playing ]

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a couple of hours ago, i drove over to the mexican

restaurant owned by a family who came here from mexico, they're all u.s. citizens. miguel is a father of three boys, he was a straight man home saturday night and decided on a whim to go dancing with a friend. i spoke with his older brother jose, he said they knew sunday miguel was missing, but it wasn't until yesterday that they knew for sure he was gone. >> cops came to my sister-in-law's house at 4:30 in the morning monday, saying that miguel had passed away. >> when you got that text message or phone call, you must have been so confused. you said you weren't expected -- miguel wasn't even going out that night, he was at home, drinking with some buddies?

>> yes. i didn't see miguel all saturday. i thought he was home. i woke up sunday morning, happy. >> your mom seems, understandably just devastated. >> yeah, right now, we were going to -- she remembered when miguel came and ate with us, so she didn't want to eat. she just went back to the office. >> she can't bear to eat because it reminds her of her family? >> that she used to eat breakfast with all of her sons. my brother was a hard-working man. he was a boss.

>> he was a father? >> yes. >> we employ over 70 people here in orlando, sanford. he was the boss. >> i'm kate snow and my colleague chris jansing picks up from here in orlando next. hello, i'm chris jansing in orlando on what has really been an extraordinary day of fast-breaking developments, including some of the most impassioned rhetoric we've ever heard around this war on terror. and it's been another emotional day here in orlando. for the first time this afternoon, we're hearing from the surgeons and the survivors of this weekend's attack at pulse nightclub. 33 people