>> he was a father? >> yes. >> we employ over 70 people here in orlando, sanford. he was the boss. >> i'm kate snow and my colleague chris jansing picks up from here in orlando next. hello, i'm chris jansing in orlando on what has really been an extraordinary day of fast-breaking developments, including some of the most impassioned rhetoric we've ever heard around this war on terror. and it's been another emotional day here in orlando. for the first time this afternoon, we're hearing from the surgeons and the survivors of this weekend's attack at pulse nightclub. 33 people still hospitalized.

we also have new information on the gunman. federal agents have spoken to his wife and nbc news has learned that nor mateen told the fbi she once drove her husband to the gay nightclub down the street from where i'm standing because he wanted to scope it out. she claims she tried to talk him out of it. and a short time ago, president obama, as we have arguably never seen him, after he called the gunman, an angry, disturbed, unstable individual, he unleashed on donald trump and on his recent rhetoric, specifically when it comes to the phrase "radical islamic terrorism." >> if there's anyone out there who thinks we're confused about who our enemies are, that would come as a surprise to the thousands of terrorists who we've taken off the battlefield. so there's no magic to the phrase "radical islam." it's a political talking point.

it's not a strategy. >> i want to start back in washington with nbc news political director chuck todd, host of "mtp daily" and of course moderator of "meet the press." chuck, you've so many times been in rooms with the president, as have i. and of course he's been critical and mocking of trump, but today he really sounded, for me, just angry. i have never heard him quite like this. what do you make of the tone and what he had to say today? >> the only time i can remember him about that emotional and angry was right after the vote failed on guns, right after the post-newtown push in 2013, that rose garden -- that was the only time where i felt like that's an angry president obama, or that was an appropriate description of what he said. he clearly was upset. i think he believes that he had to speak out. there may be some questions as

to why did president obama decide to do this? well, he believes and the white house believes the world is hearing trump's rhetoric. and if -- he believes the world believes this is what america is about to go and do and believe, that this messaging needs to be countered, balanced out in some ways, or overshadowed or criticized. that's why he felt compelled to go out. i think the tone and aggressiveness just shows you where -- i definitely think he's personalized -- look, trump in general does get under the president's skin, but in a way that it's never been good for trump. you know, every time he has had a back and forth with obama, you could argue he's lost. going back to the birth certificate thing. and i think obama feels as if he knows how to go toe to toe with

him, but on this, feels like he has to. >> and it isn't just that he was going after the president's strategy or his policies, he was, in some ways, it seemed, implicating the president in what happened here in orlando. let me play another clip of this. >> there's not been a moment in my 7 1/2 years as president, where we have not been able to pursue a strategy because we didn't use the label "radical islam." not once has an adviser of mine said, man, if we really use that phrase, we're going to turn this whole thing around. not once. >> it also struck me, chuck, that this isn't just about the president, donald trump, or the president coming to the defense of hillary clinton, or pointing out that she's the better candidate. this to me also sounded like

this is democrats versus republicans. we're the folks who have the strategy. we're the people who have the ideas. he is just spouting off rhetoric. these are the kinds of discussions and tell me what you think here, chuck, that i think have implications down ballot as well. it's not just about this race. >> well, look, the president himself said, do republicans really all believe this? and it was sort of almost saying, okay, are you guys still going to stick by this guy? are you going to back up this rhetoric? and we've seen today, i think today's a day where if republicans can avoid a camera, they've avoided it. if they can avoid a reporter, they've tried. you can tell there's been essentially a turn tail today on this front. not wanting to comment. look, trump has violated -- you know, we talk about the unwritten rules of baseball. well, there are unwritten rules of political decorum. not giving the president of the united states space during a tragedy, it used to believe, you gave the president, even when

you were running for office, there would be a 24 to 48-hour window where the presumptive candidates would not get in the way. you know, there's one president at a time, one person speaks for are the nation at a time, and that's been violated by trump. never mind some of the other norms that he's violating here, and it's making a lot of republicans uncomfortable, but they don't -- they now have decided apparently not to speak out. and i think what president obama is trying to do there, is create a wedge. if you don't say anything, we're going to assume you're with him. and trying to turn it into a political problem. >> yeah, i think we're able to pull that clip as well, because i think you pointed out the exact part of his speech today. let's play that. >> we now have proposals from the presumptive republican nominee for president of the united states to bar all muslims from emigrating to america. we hear language that singles

out immigrants and suggests entire religious communities are complicit in violence. where does this stop? >> so he draws that clear line on this point, on a muslim ban, but also to go back to your original point, the other time he got so emotional, which was on the vote on guns and obviously this is another debate, it's being reignited on capitol hill. is there anything to suggest, though, that the outcome this time is going to be any different? >> i don't think so right now. i don't. i think public opinion has to change. i think you'd probably have to see divided government in the legislative branch, and you don't have that right now. so it's hard to imagine where the numbers come from on this. but i also think this is where the white house -- where democrats can create a wedge

between trump and the rest of the republican party is on the muslim ban. essentially most republican leaders have been uncomfortable with that from the beginning. paul ryan has said it as much. plenty of senators have said it. i think that's where you're gonna see -- where you see a bipartisan agreement in condemning some of what trump said. paul ryan today, you know, he used a phrase that i think he may regret, but he said it's against america's values. okay, how do you support somebody that's proposing something that's against american value? that is going to be a tougher and tougher conversation for republicans to have with voters when they're asked about the top of their ticket. to me, that's what the president also was attempting to do, which was -- he was basically trying to tell republicans, look, we are going to make you own trump, whether you like it or not, so disown the guy. >> you know, it almost seems as if he was saying, disown him. you know, get out of this, don't

put yourself in this box. and look, there's a lot of republicans who quietly would like to, and they don't -- but the voters have spoken and they don't want to go against their voters. so they feel trapped politically. and i think that the president was trying to say, don't look at it as a political question. >> yeah, a challenge, no doubt about that. chuck, thank you so much. i just want to let folks know that you obviously can catch chuck tonight at 5:00 eastern for his interview with the dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz. stay tuned for that. let's go to msnbc's kasie hunt, who is in pittsburgh, where hillary clinton spoke earlier today. kasie, at times, she and barack obama sounded like they were going off the same playbook, not just similar language, but in some cases, identical language? >> reporter: that's right. they steamed to be reading off the same page. this is something clinton's

campaign is touting. her spokesperson tweeted, it was powerful today to have both the president and hillary clinton standing up at the same time against trump and in defense of our values. that's been retweeted by others who work in the clinton campaign. and of course there are ongoing conversations between the white house and the clinton campaign regularly. so we know that they are in touch. you could hear it today in the language. i was listening to president obama and i was in the room with hillary clinton. they started to talk about that phrase "radical islamic terrorism" at the same time. hillary clinton saying it's not a magic word. there's nothing in it that's going to help us defeat terrorists. the president saying something very similar. and of course you heard the president go after donald trump very aggressively. you also heard hillary clinton today sounding much the same. take a look. >> first, he is fixated on the words "radical islam." now, i must say, i find this

strange. is donald trump suggesting that there are magic words that once uttered will stop terrorists from coming after us? trump, as usual, is obsessed with name-calling. and from my perspective, it matters what we do, not just what we say. >> reporter: now, of course, hillary clinton also went on to say that donald trump had suggested president obama was on the side of terrorists. and in some of those interviews that he did yesterday, and she said that this is way beyond anything that should be said by someone who is running to be president of the united states. and i have to say, overall, the tone, tenor of this, that the president and hillary clinton seemed to be pushing forward, it's seen throughout the way clinton is presenting herself on the campaign trail right now. these events, while they are to a certain extent rally-style events this week.

there's no campaign signage. clinton herself, much more subdued in tone. you heard a little bit of it there. she's coming across as measured, somber, serious, in keeping with the moment, all designed to contrast with the republican nominee, chris. >> kasie hunt, thank you for that. let's see what we'll hear tonight from donald trump. hallie jackson is in greensboro, north carolina. have we gotten any reaction from the trump campaign on what the president had to say? >> we are. he's saying that the president continues to prioritize our enemy over our allies and for that matter, the american people. seeming to question the president's patriotism there. expect to hear more of that from donald trump in his rally in greensboro. trump himself has created a lot of questions now for those on capitol hill, from his fellow

republicans, who are increasingly displaying some concern about trump on the one hand. on the other, some are just ducking the question altogether. you heard senator mitch mcconnell say that would not comment about donald trump. when asked later about some of trump's other comments, said he wouldn't be talking about the ups and downs of what trump's saying. what was notable today, the response from senator bob corker, he was an early supporter of donald trump's foreign policy, right after his major speech. he's been rumored to be on the vp short list, came out and said he has been discouraged by the comments coming out of trump's campaign and he would expect a different kind of speech than the one he heard yesterday from donald trump, considering that trump wants to lead the country through difficult times. so you continue to see trump struggling to try to bring republicans together. the question, what will he do

tonight to make overtures or to not? >> hallie jackson, who will be with him for that, thank you so much, hallie. now this afternoon, what the orlando gunman's wife is now telling the fbi. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams has been in touch with law enforcement sources and he joins me now. always good to see you, pete. obvious task for federal officers as they're trying to piece together all of this. what happened in the days and weeks leading up to the attack? what have they learned? >> well, of course it's obvious they would question family members. because they would have the best information about what he was doing in the days and months leading up to this. what we're told by several people who are familiar with what she's told the fbi is that she claims that she drove her husband, omar mateen, to the pulse nightclub at least once before the shooting, and that she was aware that he was planning to do something violent and she tried to dissuade him from doing anything violent. it's not clear to us that she

knew exactly what he had in mind, but apparently she's told the fbi that she knew enough that it concerned her, and she claims she tried to talk him out of it. she also says that she was with him when he bought some ammunition and a holster, though not with him when he bought the guns earlier this month. they're still trying to figure out how much of this is true. they're sorting through it now. it's going to be a task to try to corroborate this. based on what she has said, though, if it turns out to be true, that she did have some knowledge of what he was doing and that she failed to tell police that, that could be a crime. and authorities are considering filing charges. they're at least looking at the possibility of doing that, but any decision on that is several days away, while they still try to sort through this and figure out how much of what she is saying is true. >> pete williams closely tracking the investigation from washington. thanks so much, pete. >> you bet. the victims of orlando families, friends, and community

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we're back live in orlando with the latest on the nightclub shooting. 33 people still hospitalized at this hour. split between two medical centers. six of them in intensive care. nbc news has learned the gunman's wife is cooperating with authorities. nor mateen reportedly telling

the fbi she tried to talk her husband out of an attack. and this afternoon the president called the shooter, angry, disturbed and unstable, saying he was radicalized on the internet. president obama will travel here on thursday. as we continue to learn more about the victims of the shooting, we are also beginning to hear the harrowing details of that night. nbc's jacob rascon is outside the hospital where the patients are being treated and what have the survivors been saying? >> reporter: as we talk to the survivors and their family members and friends, it really slows it all down. because we like to talk of course about the big, the larger issues, the political issues and others, but to these people, this is all that matters. and for many of them, their life is altered forever. it reminds me, in fact, of this movie theater shooting trial which we did a number of years ago. i remember sitting in there and how it was all slowed down in that case. 82 victims. they each came forth.

it took three and a half months to go through all of their stories. it reminds me of that as we go through and hear story by story. we've only heard from a small percentage of them total, but each story is so harrowing and different. so many heroes born as we hear more about the death. we also hear about those hero officers and hero friends who stepped in. here's some of what one of the victims said today. >> we just continued to hear gunfire. i just remember thinking, when is it going to stop? at one point, everyone was like, ssh, be quiet, be quiet. and that's when bullets start going through the stall wall towards us. so, i can't recall exactly how many bullets, but it sounded like whoever -- it sounded like he unloaded. >> we should point out that there are 27 people still at the hospital behind me, at this one, the orlando regional medical.

and six of those are in the icu. one of the doctors said he wouldn't be surprised if the death toll actually went up. so this is not finished. of course they're still very focused on those patients, and in addition, as we know, we talked to all six of those trauma surgeons who were here at that time, they get every day, in addition to anything like this, a mass casualty event, five or six trauma patients every day. chris? >> amazing stories. jacob rascon, thanks so much. here with me now, orlando city commissioner regina hill. thanks so much for coming over. we've heard the stories about the heroism of first responders and doctors, we've seen people standing in line to donate blood. 7,500 people turning out for the vigil last night. very visible ways this community has responded. what are other ways that you're seeing, as somebody who lives and works in this community, how is orlando dealing? >> well, of course we are

grieving the loss of those lives that have been lost. but we are standing resilient. we are standing one orlando strong. we are helping our neighbors. just last night, dodder restaurant have donated $500,000 towards our families and those that have been impacted by this horrific, horrific crime of one, lone, mentally ill, unstable individual. but through that the orlando magic have donated another 100,000. and the list has gone on. they're donating this to one orlando.net, a nonprofit that the city has now set up to help those that might need counselling, those that might need housing, those that might even need burial expenses. but what i can say is, i'm proud

of our law enforcement agencies, the way that they have collaborated together, to make sure that this city is still safe, the way that all of our hospitals have gelled together to care for all the wounded. and also for the parents and families, that they had to tell the awful news. >> this is obviously not the way people have known orlando. orlando has been an iconic destination for families, for newly wed couples, for retirees, and how worried are you about what is the largest piece of the economy here? tourism? >> well, i can tell you, right now in a town like this, money doesn't matter. lives matter. the people matter. and i can tell you and i can assure you, every business owner, even disney, because many of the industry, when we call

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back live in orlando, nbc news has confirmed that two russian intelligence agencies had access to the democratic national committee's computer network since last summer. the dnc addressed the hack in a statement, saying in part, our team moved as quickly as possible to kick out the intruders and secure our network. sean henry is now chief security officers at crowd strike, the company that the dnc has contacted to respond to the suspected breach. always good to talk to you, sean. question one, how did the dnc even discover they'd been hacked? >> i'll tell you, chris, this is a big deal. you've got a foreign intelligence service that is targeting the u.s. political system. the dnc had their i.t. security folks, who saw some unusual activity on their network at the end of april. they called crowd strike in to help assist them in getting greatest fidelity into what happened and through the course of that investigation, we made a determination, this was an actor that we knew that was tied to

the russian government, who had previously targeted other government agencies in the united states. the white house, state department, and others. >> what do we know, sean, about the information they wanted or were they just going to go after the dnc in general and see what they could get? >> you know, chris, foreign intelligence services are constantly looking for information of value. they've got specific collection requirementings. in my time in the fbi, we saw services that were always looking at u.s. government policy, strategies, developing issues, issues related to trade, for example, or economic situations. so it's all about collection of as much information against the other government that they see as opposition to them, to their best wishes and their political interests, and they're looking for anything that might give them some competitive edge on the world economic stage for example, or some understanding about future leadership in the united states government, chris. >> possible future leadership

leads us to donald trump. why would russian intelligence want trump opposition research files? >> you know, again, they're looking at any competitive edge they might be able to get. is there anything somebody collected that they don't already have? they're looking at intelligence across a broad range of collection targets. the dnc is one, but they're looking likely at others. i do not have specific information about the rnc being targeted, but it would not surprise me if they were. this is a typical operational procedure by intelligence services to look in the likely places that the information of the highest degree of value is located. these campaigns are that type of place, chris. >> you mentioned all the various places where they've targeted before, but is there a way to make sure that a breach can be prevented in the future? >> you know, you're not going to prevent 100% a breach. one of the most important things in security is to remember, you've got to be pro-active and

learn to detect attacks in advance. you're not going to stop everything with 100% certainty. we've seen that here this week with the attack in orlando. in the physical space, you do everything you can to protect, you want to use intelligence to try and identify information that will allow you to disrupt, but that's not always going to be the case. as it relates to cyber, by having better visibility within the environment, within the network, if you can identify the attackers as they're moving into the environment, you can identify them quickly and mitigate the consequences. that's what organizations need to be doing a better job of, chris. >> sean henry, thanks so much. >> thanks. and straight ahead, when hillary clinton learned about the hack. plus, her heartbreak over the orlando mass shooting. her one-on-one interview with jose diaz-balart, in its entirety, right after this.

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fbi is questioning the shooter's family. they want to find out what they knew, if anything, before the attack. we'll also hear from his father this hour, and the gunman's wife is reportedly cooperating with authorities as fbi investigate reports that he was using dating apps to talk to men and looking into whether he visited the nightclub behind me many times before the massacre. his wife reportedly told the fbi she drove him there once. the "orlando sentinel" quotes another man has saying that he says he was there at least a dozen times, and sometimes he drank by himself in the corner. other times, he was loud, drunk, and belligerent. my colleague, jose diaz-balart just wrapped up an interview with hillary clinton, discussing everything from the fall-out of the terror attacks, to accusations from donald trump that she wants to scrap the second amendment. >> anyone can say i am just heart broken over this horrible,

horrible tragedy, and i want to send my sympathy and support to the families of all of the young people who were murdered so bar bearically in the nightclub, and i want to send my very best wishes to those who are still fighting against their terrible injuries in the hospital. the families and those who survived are really going to be facing a long path forward, and i hope that not only the orlando and florida community, but the american community stands behind and with these families that have been so shattered. i know that the telemundo family actually lost a young man who worked with you. i'm here in pennsylvania. two young women from philadelphia were in the nightclub. one died, one has been injured. so this is a deep and profound

shock to us all. >> are you planning to come down to orlando? >> i'm looking to do that when it's appropriate, when there is some way that i can show my support. i don't want to be in the way of the very difficult law enforcement process that is going on or the families who are grieving or standing watch at the hospital. but i will be there, because i want everybody in orlando and far beyond, particularly the hispanic community, to know that i want to be a president for everyone in this country. that's my goal, that's what i will do, that's what i've done in my past. >> secretary, yesterday, you reiterated your proposal to fight isis and make america safer, adding that we should enact stricter gun control laws. donald trump says you want to take away americans' rights to own guns and leave the bad guys with guns.

what's your reaction to that? >> it's like so much that he has, it's absolutely absurd and a lie. it's not what i have proposed. i respect the second amendment and the right of individuals to own firearms, but i think that we all agree, that there are some people who had been under fbi investigation, who turned into such a brutal killer, who should not be able just to walk in and buy weapons of war. so i want the country to come together. responsible gun owners, broken hearted family members from sandy hook to san bernardino, to aurora, colorado, to orlando, and so many other places. let's work together to try to save lives, protect people. we can do that consistent with our constitution. little wou >> would you be prepared as president to take executive action if congress is not prepared to act on it?

>> i would support all the actions that president obama has proposed. as you recall, when my husband was president, the congress signed and he passed an assault weapons ban. for ten years, assault weapons were much harder to get. then the ban expired and we have seen a rash of killings and massacres using these weapons of war. so i would like to say -- the gun lobby will say, you can't stop everybody, and i would agree with that, but isn't it worth stopping as many as possible, saving as many lives as we can? and i think comprehensive background checks and trying to keep guns out of the wrong hands would help us do that. >> secretary clinton, it's been revealed today that the dnc computer network was breached by the russian government. it was specifically targeted by hackers. what can you tell us about that

incident? how worrisome is it? >> i only learned about it when it was made public and it is troubling, just as all cyber attacks against our businesses, our institutions, our governments are. the russians, according to the reporting, were most likely in the employment of the russian government. the russian government uses cyber attacks to gain information for economic, commercial advantage, for political advantage, and for military advantage. you know, this seems like another example where they're trying to vacuum up information. now, why? we don't know yet. so far as we know, my campaign has not been hacked into. and we're obviously looking hard at that. but cyber security will be an issue that i will be absolutely focused on as president. because whether it's russia or china, iran, or north korea, more and more countries are

using hacking to steal our information, to use it to their advantage, and we can't let that go on. >> you're meeting with senator bernie sanders later today. have you thought about him as your vp candidate? what are you guys going to be talking about? >> well, we're going to have a wide-ranging conversation, because we share a lot of the same goals. we both want to raise the minimum wage. we want to fight inequality of income. we want to make college affordable, and we certainly want everybody to get health care. so we are going to discuss our common goals and how we can work together. i very much am looking forward to having his support in this campaign because donald trump poses a serious threat to our nation based on what he has said. he is unqualified to be president and he is unfit temperamentally to be commander in chief. so senator sanders and i have a lot to talk about, we have a lot

in common. >> let me reiterate that question, would you consider having him as your vp? >> i haven't even begun to sort that out yet. we'll talk tonight and there are a lot of qualified dynamic candidates, i'm sure, to be considered for vice president. so we'll go from there. >> immigration is another subject that separates you from donald trump. you've said you believe in creating a path way to citizenship for the undocumented immigrants in this country. president obama said the same thing eight years ago. he didn't accomplish it. what makes you so certain that you could make it happen? >> well, for one thing i'm going to start in the very beginning of my administration. because i think this is one of the most important priorities that i have to address as president. and i'm going to work hard to elect a democratic senate because i think with a democratic senate, we can get something out of the senate. and i really believe, jose, if i am successful in winning in november, if we have a democratic senate, i think the

republican party will wake up to the reality that their opposition to comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship is a losing proposition that donald trump's inflammatory rhetoric and derogatory comments do not really work in a national election, and i think we'll have a better chance to actually get something done. >> secretary, are you ready to debate donald trump on this and other issues? >> i certainly am, jose. i'm really looking forward to it. i don't know when that will happen. as you know, there's a presidential debate commission, but whenever they tell me to show up, i will be there early, because i want to debate him and draw the contrast between what he believes and what i think is best for the country. >> would yyou say he's not qualo be president. what are you major issues that you feel disqualify him? >> i think his views about america, his constantly downgrading our country, his

insulting our military, his defamation of so many groups of people, not just immigrants, but women, muslims, people with disabilities. and what he said last week about the judge who is hearing his case is just contrary to the rule of law and how our country works. to say that a judge, because he had mexican heritage, a judge born in the united states, who's done an exemplary job as a federal prosecutor and a federal judge, could not hear his case, shows a deep misunderstanding of how our country works. and i think time and time again, he has illustrated he just doesn't have the qualifications to be our president or to be our commander in chief. >> secretary clinton, thank you very much for being with me. pleasure to be with you. >> good to be with you.

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just moments ago in washington, u.s. attorney general loretta lynch making her first public comments on the orlando attacks, calling it an act of terror and an act of hate. take a listen. >> i want you to know that at the department of justice, i and all of my colleagues, the fbi, the atf, our national security division, our u.s. attorneys offices in florida, our state and local partners are doing everything that we can to investigate this appalling crime. and we will bring all resources to bear, everything we have. [ applause ] -- to this investigation. >> and joining us now, senator tammy baldwin, a democrat from onsiwiscwho serves on the homeland security committee and is also the first openly gay senator. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for inviting me. >> you've called this tragedy a

horrific attack on the lgbt community and an attack on the freedoms that all of us hold dear. there's been so much progress toward equality. i just wonder, what do you think this means, this act of violence, against gay americans? >> well, i want to start by thanking you, chris, for telling the stories. you've been there, you've been interviewing people who have lost loved ones. their stories, their need to be heard, their lives need to be shared and i just want to thank you personally for doing that. we must never forget. in terms of the meaning of this in the lgbt movement, i just think this past weekend, on friday, i was in milwaukee, wisconsin, tat the opening ceremonies of our pride fest, celebrating 30 years.

i was reflecting on all that's happened over 30 years, and the movement, of course, is many decades older than that. we've come a long way, but still today, there's discrimination, there's hate, and people risk their livelihoods, their housing and their physical security for being out. we still think that being out, being proud, and telling our stories and having our voice be heard, is the only way forward. but what a horrid, horrid reminder of how much hate still exists today. >> and it's such an upsetting story on so many levels. you said last night when you were talking to chris matthews, it's of utmost importance that we close the terror gap. can you talk about that a little more and what you mean by that. >> yeah, so for most firearm sales there's a background check, but there's a big gaping hole with regard to gun show and internet sales, that we have to

close. but in those background checks, law enforcement looks through a list of convicted felons and certain misdemeanants, people who present a danger to society if they were to have a weapon of war or other firearm. we believe that added to those lists should be the no-fly list, and the terror watch list. we believe that the fbi should be afforded the opportunity to say "no" to these sales when somebody who presents a threat to the society is seeking to purchase, whether it's a handgun, or a weapon of war like the one that was used at pulse nightclub in orlando, florida. >> if i can, senator, i just want to interrupt because i want to get the other side out there and get your reaction. senator lindsey graham

summarized what a lot of people on the other side of the debate think. let me play that. >> this is not a gun control issue, folks. if gun control could protect the country from talks by radical islamists, there would be no paris. the french have the strongest gun laws on the planet. and over 100 french citizens died at the hands of radical islamists, using weapons, bombs, planes, guns. it's not the instrumentality, it's the attitude. so this is not a gun control problem. we're at war and we're treating it like a crime. >> so to those who argue, senator, this is not about guns, what do you say? >> you know, it is way too easy for people who are as dangerous as this assailant to get weapons of war. whether it's somebody associated with or inspired by terror, or somebody who just has a heart filled with hate, they should -- we should not make it as easy as

it is to purchase a weapon. this was a u.s. citizen who legally purchased a weapon of war and then committed this horrible hate crime at a time he was inspired by terrorists. it's all of these things, and we cannot do nothing. what i am so sorrowful about is that we always have our moments of silence, our thoughts and prayers, and then we fail to act. we must do more. they are no longer enough. and this is one of the prudent steps. i heard my colleague's comments just now. the overwhelming majority of american citizens cannot believe that these simple common-sense regulations are not in effect now. they can't believe that we would sell a gun in the united states to somebody who cannot fly a commercial jet because they are feared to be a terrorist.

we cannot fail to act right now. >> senator tammy baldwin, appreciate your time and appreciate your thoughts. thank you so much. and now let's go to cnbc's hampton pearson with our market wrap. >> hello, chris. we had markets closing in the red "today." the dow dropping 57 points, the s&p off by three, the nasdaq losing four points. stocks of gun manufacturers both down today. smith & wesson down 4.5%. stern rugger down as well. both were up sharply on monday. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide.

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and that does it for this hour live from orlando. i'm chris jansing. dnc chair and congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz will join chuck todd in just a moment. "mtp daily" starts now. ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington, and welcome back to "mtp daily." don't go anywhere this hour. unbelievable moving parts. new developments on the investigation in the orlando massacre. and who else knew about what the killer was planning. we'll dive into a frantic day of political reaction to the shooting, which included a one-two punch from donald trump from both president obama and hillary clinton as trump is getting ready to speak again later tonight and no doubt will respond. in just a moment we'll speak with debbie wasserman schultz following news of a massive data breach on