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>> senior. >> senior. >> he is a senior. >> he's graduating. >> for five years. >> baccalaureate. >> did you play the violin. >> msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele and columnist and associate editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt all on set with us. >> let's talk about it. last night we were able to attend an event in washington. >> in honor of sandy hook promise. of course, we can't believe the time has gone by. it will be three years, i think, december since the massacre in newtown. the families and some very generous people and some really smart people have put together and committed themselves to sandy hook promise, which is

spreading awareness across the country and really trying to combat this problem of gun violence in a smart, peaceful way. >> holistic way, not pointing fingers, trying to get solutions. the most remarkable thing is, again, one of the founders of it. >> oh, he was -- >> told us back stage getting through it, he said what you do is you try to get out of bed. >> he was giving me advice. i was a little down. >> you figure out how to get out of bed. then you try to make it to noon. then after you fight you're way to get through noon, you think how will i make it through another day. you eventually get through another day, then you find out how to get to the weekend. after all that, you know you have to do something to make a difference, to go out and make sure the people you love -- his wife was the school psychiatrist that ran toward the shooter to

try to save as many lives as possible. and that's what they are doing. they are making this unspeakable tragedy, just turning it into a promise, turning it into action. it was very inspiring. >> really an honor to be there. >> yeah. >> to politics now. i'm going to dploet a little about polls drifting down for donald trump. >> we don't do that there. >> everyone on the set, he's going to do well. >> they are not. >> it's his birthday. this morning marks the one-year anniversary of donald trump's presidential campaign and on his 365th day as a candidate, he went back to his tried and true, which is pretty stunning. he insinuated, mika, actually, once again that president obama has secret ties to isis.

i've got to start with you as former chairman of the republican party. >> why are you coming to me? >> michael, we're starting to see it. we're seeing polls collapsed. we're seeing out of wisconsin polls collapse, an endangered republican senator now down nine points in wisconsin, the same number of points you have donald trump down in wisconsin. this guy who was going to be a game changer. w almost won wisconsin a couple of times. now he's doubling down, posting breitbart articles that he was right all along that the president is in cahoots with isis. how devastating is this? >> at this stage i don't know where you go from here because there really is nowhere to go. >> you need another candidate. >> don't you have to condemn -- doesn't the republican party --

i'm hearing more and more saying this is just not acceptable. >> in all honesty, has to make a break, a separation. the leadership wall has to be placed up, not just ryan and mcconnell but across the board. you saw yesterday in my state governor hogan, larry hogan come out and say i just can't get there. you're having more and more governors begin to see that reality and speak to it. the party has to realize between now and the convention -- we're still in june. i get that. >> at the end of the day. >> too much damage. >> when you have the mexican judge remarks, the guy is from indiana. he's now, donald trump, the republican presumptive nominee saying the president of the united states is in cahoots with isis, there's some things you can't walk back. >> back to the massacre in orlando, donald trump stirred controversy for suggesting president obama had hidden motives in the fight against terrorism. yesterday trump continued it

push the conspiracy theory. he retweeted this tweet. quote, media fell all over themselves criticizing what donald trump may have insinuated about the president. he's right. that tweet linked to an article posted on conservative news site breitbart about reported obama administration support for isis. the article is about a memo from august 2012 with concerns that terror groups might allegheny support through usa to syria among well publicized reasons u.s. involvement. >> david ignatius, where do you begin with a major u.s. candidate retweeting an article that actually says the president supports isis. >> the breathtaking thing was the comment itself suggesting really disloyalty in the united states, middle of a crisis, tourist attack, suggested that they in some way had been

involved. then this memo. the memo describing the situation as of august 2012. it correctly states on the two sides of the conflict in syria, you have opposition groups backed by the united states, turkey, saudi arabia. on the other side you have groups backed by the regime, russia and by iran. what's left out in this insinuation of hillary was backing isis was at that very time hillary clinton and the government was arguing for a cia program to arm and train the moderates to get out of precisely the situation the memo describes. >> i can't believe we have to debate the merits charged. >> it's actually -- >> i appreciate that. there is something completely surreal that we've gotten to a point that a leading presumptive presidential candidate accuses the president of being in cahoots with our foremost terrorist enemy here. just think about it, step back and think, has this ever

happened in presidential politics. it's always bad, shot each other on the senate floor, but we have a presidential nominee accusing the president of being in cahoots with terrorists. >> i've never seen anything like it before. >> what should the republicans do some the republicans should do what i told you to do last week. this is getting worse by the day. there has to be separation between the republican leadership, the republican rank and file and donald trump. you need to go back to your districts and you need to explain that if your supporters want to defeat hillary clinton and want to keep a republican senate and a republican house, something dramatic needs to happen quickly. mika, this is getting out of control. it's not like we haven't been talking about this day in and day out. donald trump, for some reason

over the last few weeks has decided to throw this election. again, you look at trump after manafort came in, after wisconsin, you look at what happened for two or three weeks. he ran a disciplined campaign. he delivered a half decent speech to apac, it looked like he was shifting into gear. the last two weeks have been absolutely colossal. we're going to show you numbers that show republican numbers nationwide have gone to record lows. people are saying, if you want to beat hillary -- come on. they have got to stand up to this. >> the numbers right now for the brand for the gop are at the level they were when i inherited the job in 2009. we're in that space again where 65% of the american people do not like the republican brand. that's a major problem. >> this is the easy part, getting chased around on capitol hill by reporters asking about these comments i guess much

easier than throwing a giant party in cleveland to celebrate something none of these guys are able to get out of their mouth. >> most amazing comment, john cornyn, number two senate republican saying took reporters he will not take a question on donald trump until after election day. the second most important republican that won't talk about his party's nominee. >> i'm going to show you donald trump speaking to a packed house of 4,000 people at the fox theater in atlanta where he struck a defiant tone with his own party. >> the republicans, honestly, folks, our leaders have to get tougher. this is too tough to do it alone. you know what, i think i'm going to be forced to. i think i'm going to be forced to. our leaders have to get a lot tougher and be quiet, please be quiet, don't talk. just be quiet, to the leaders. because they have to get tougher, they have to get sharper, they have toting

smarter. we have to have our republicans stick together or let me just do it by myself. i'll do very well. i'm going to do very well. okay. a lot of people thought i should do it anyway. i'll just do it very nicely by myself. i think you'll have a good result. i think you'll be happy. >> donald trump's message to paul ryan as donald trump destroys the party's numbers, be quiet, don't talk. i think paul ryan, this is like you buying a lot of condos in 2007. he brought trump at the wrong time. he should have listened to steve schmidt and me, told you when to buy trump, remember a month and a half ago, it's time to sell, time to sell the stouk. telling the leadership, dazed ignatius, to not talk while he's

dragging everyone down in the mud. >> there's always been a quality of narcissism about trump. this is about me. this is a person who has been in his own reality television show now for 20 years, and it's hard for him to break out of it and be in the show with everybody else. the idea he's now in effect the leader of the republican party is staggering. that's what's really sticking in the craw of people out there. >> telling republican party leaders to shut up. >> i think they probably don't mind doing that because they don't want to talk about donald trump right now. >> their house is going up in flames. >> they have no one to replace trump with. no matter how you cut this pie, you're still stuck with donald trump. >> this is not like 1925. >> walking out of the convention with nomination. who, joe? mitt romney? paul ryan? i don't think we want to go

there. >> what did italy not have in 1925, separation of powers, co-equal branches, senate and house. >> give me a name. who is going to counter-punch donald trump after a year. >> two names that need to stand up right now today with their entire group behind them, paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. they are the highest ranking republicans in america. they need to stand up. i said they should have last week. the damage would have been a lot worse and trump would have gotten in line. they need to do it this week. trump is only getting worse. >> uncled get in line if they stood up. >> cut bait on the presidential election. >> abdicate that. >> he either needs to get in line or we're going to protect ourselves. kasie hunt, this guy not only contributed to hillary clinton's

last campaign in 2008 as a democrat. he's contributing to this hillary clinton presidential campaign making sure she will be elected president. >> i'm sure the clinton campaign feels that way. it's hard to get them to say anything else at this point. >> that's true. >> you were talking about trump and leaders but the first part of what he said there, saying i'm just going to have to go this alone, it seems like that's what's going to happen i think tells you a lot about private conversations that are going on right now between trump and the committee. he would not be out there saying something like that if there are not people in his ear saying you have to fix this. >> one of the hilarious new stories is from "politico" talking about private frustrations at the rnc that trump just won't listen to their advice. >> private. >> of course. did you even need to write this story. obviously trump is not going to be listening to reince priebus. >> he's not listening to family members advice.

he's not listening to his campaign's advice. they are all begging him to become disciplined. they are all begging him to get off of twitter. they are all begging him to stick with the message. he is not doing it. he's getting more out of control. >> i actually -- my latest feelings with people very close to him, they really don't get what the problem is, so i don't think they are desperately trying to pull him back. >> they get what the problem is. >> that's what i'm hearing. donald trump loves to read his poll numbers. that's sort of what he does in his speeches. he can read these. new polling bloomberg shows republican party at an historic valley of favorability, just 32%. that is the lowest number since the poll began in 2009. that would be a great schtick for his speech. he can talk about what he's done to the party. by contrast democrats favorability at 49%. meanwhile in wisconsin, a state that easily re-elected governor scott walker during midterms,

hillary clinton leads trump among likely voters by 9 points. he should read that one out loud. down ballot senator ron johnson incumbent republican trails nine points. >> we're going to see that all across america. you talk about a leading indicator -- look at that, senators, united states senators, republicans, kelly ayotte, you know, rob portman, all across. >> if polls drive you, here you go. >> david ignatius, if i'm kelly ayotte and i know she's been pushing -- she's been pushing this hard. she was one of the first to speak out. she's got to keep pushing and she's got to get ron johnson and she's got to get a lot of other republicans that are up that could lose, including john mccain, to say enough is enough. >> i was with senator mccain on stage tuesday night and we talked about trump and it was painful to be honest.

here is somebody in so many ways that stands against everything the nominee is saying. he's running in a tough race. you saw him walking the line. talk about polls, "washington post" has a new poll showing drump down 10 percentage points in one month, up to 70% unfavorability. if you look at the tabulations he's hurting with white liberals, men without a college education. >> that hurts there. >> all the people he thought would be part of his coalition. >> i have to ask you about mccain. mccain strikes me, if there's someone that would say, you know what, i'm not going to be with the nominee. donald trump literally insulted his war service. okay. he doesn't stand for any of the same values, whether it's foreign policy, immigration reform, et cetera. so what is it that keeps john mccain tied to this anchor around this candidate. >> two things. fir, it's a deep anger that

mccain feels toward barack obama. mccain says to himself, if i had been president, thinking about syria, thinking about the disaster out of syria, i would have done something about this. that makes it hard for him. i think the other thing is mccain is in a tough race. you don't repudiate the top of your ticket if you're in a race like mccain is lightly. you can see that on mccain's face. >> 32%, the approval rating flashed up for the republican party. 32%. republicans are minus 17 now against the democratic party just in brand. the numbers are historically low. >> combined with this idea that there are 55% of people in another recent poll that say they could never vote for donald trump. >> including 65% of women. never. >> you can't win a national election in america with your numbers stuck like that. the other thing in that marquette poll, too, it shows a growing enthusiasm gap. democrats are getting more

excited about voting in the fall. republicans are getting less excited. it's a little bit down in the weeds. normally numbers on people registered to vote versus people likely it show up, republicans have an advantage with likely voters. there are more democrats registered. that's not the case here. >> driving in the car, driving to work, we're showing you definitely vote in november, enthusiasm gap. republicans 78% minus 9, just in the past couple of months. they are bleeding. bleeding support. >> i had a talk with business leaders in new york city yesterday. also on monday night. i've never met more people who are saying they may not vote, who voted in every election all their lives and who run companies and can't do it. >> if i'm the party, i'd say we want you to vote. we need you to vote for our senators, our governors, so write a name in for president if that fills the bill. but this is the problem the party finds itself in now with a

national nominee that is losing traction with base voters, particularly white male voters, which is a real problem. you've got to shore up -- to your point, joe, you've got onto shore up the rest of the down ballots, you've got to protect the senate and house races that could be on the bubble as well. that's the problem they face right now because they are not doing that. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," joe's exclusive interview with republican governor john kasich, secretary of homeland security jeh johnson. senator joe manchin with his push for gun reform. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ i'm going to make this as simpl. you can go ahead and stick with that complicated credit card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or... you can get the quicksilver card from capital one.

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a tweet where donald trump retweets somebody who says get on board with donald trump or leave the gop. you made a pledge, stick to it. what do you think about that? you made a pledge. >> yeah, it's painful.

people even get divorces. sometimes things come about t t that, look, i'm sorry this has happened. we'll see where it ends up. i'm not making a final decision yet but at this point i just can't do it. >> you recommend to paul ryan and mitch mcconnell they think long and hard. >> joe, you know politics. they don't care what i think. >> that's not true. >> i would say i think paul ryan is definitely torn. he's also the the leader of the house. there's this thing called republican loyalty. i've been a republican all my life, how do you think i feel about this. i'm the republican governor of ohio. it's difficult. that's why i'm not going to -- >> should paul ryan back off. >> that's up to him. >> if you were sitting there as speaker of the house, would you -- >> i don't know. i know as governor of ohio, with some people who pound on me, i

said i'm not prepared to do it and he's going to have to change. >> wow. that is a really good interview. at his rally in atlanta, donald trump continued focus on terrorism and security issue talking about the foreign ideology of the u.s.-born shooter in orlando. >> even if you had a small percentage of people coming in thinking like this person, who, again, was born here, but his parents weren't and his ideas weren't born here. his ideas were born from someplace else. we have hillary wants to bring people in, spend billions and billions of dollars on bringing people in. as to whether they simulate or not, you make the decision. but simulation has not been exactly a positive factor. and you look at the beliefs of

sharia, and it's called execution for things you would say are like standard parts of li life. we have people come in and do not kid yourself, that's what they believe, that's what they want and that's what they practice and we're taking them in. >> an american born muslim. >> his father came in and seems to be pretty radical. i've been watching this situation, if you look at the past. he's pretty tough. he probably believes in things that are maybe not in our interests. >> so donald trump got it right that time that he was born here. but his parents weren't. his parents weren't. donald trump's parents -- donald trump's mother wasn't born here,

was born in scotland. his wives weren't born here. >> i think one of them was. >> scottish family. children's mother weren't born here. >> it's funny but it's not. mosque surveillance. he's this close to talking about internment camps. this close to talking about better thanment camp. a very scary proposition that someone could cast a whole religion in this light, especially build policy. >> hold on a second, though. this isn't just about religion. donald trump castigated a judge from indiana. >> a sitting president, said

might not have been born here either. >> donald trump's mother and two of his wives not born here. >> can't trust him. >> are we saying by donald trump's standards that his children are now suspect? because that's exactly what he's saying, david ignatius. this is so outrageous that if republican leaders don't step up and speak out soon, they are going to pay the ultimate price. they cannot remain silent any longer. >> we were talking during the break about the ultimate price. i hear and i think all of us around the table hear more from republicans. maybe it's going to take a real blowout in 2016 to purge this set of bad, dangerous ideas of the party out of the party so republicans lose so badly they won't do it again. >> keep saying, has to get

worse, has to get worse. >> you hear in trump's comments a misunderstanding of what america is all about, specifically in this p last sound clip, we don't simulate people. >> the most outrageous statement i've ever heard in my life. >> every european country. >> david, compared to every country on the planet we simulate and have done so for 240 years better than any country on the planet. how does he say that. >> i don't know if it's a misinterpretation of what america is about or what america is going to become and the fear associated with that. that's the driving argument. that's how this campaign began, talking about the wall and talking about mexicans. it was speaking to a particular fear emanating at the level we don't see that much about or

from. >> now we're taking back a generation. we started with people coming back legally and now we're going back a generation. you're a suspect if you're illegal, okay. then you're a suspect if you're a legal immigrant. now you're a suspect if your parents immigrated here back in the 1940s. >> which is why his children don't apply. which is why the very concern he had about the judge applies to his attitude, his family, other people. they are racist. >> this is what polls are starting to show does not work in a general election. there are far too many americans who have one of these categories that applies to them. the reality is there are not enough people who are afraid of the things you are expressing to put him in the white house. >> i'm sorry, joe, i disagree with you. i think people very close to him advising him don't get this. >> i disagree. i think they are horrified what's going on. >> i have pressed with them and

been pressed back on this and i don't know where that comes from unless you don't get it. >> still ahead we're going to bring in secretary of homeland security jeh johnson. also, sign up for our newsletter. it will, of course, clang your life. we don't promise it, we guarantee it. joe.msnbc.com. "morning joe" back in a minute.

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we have to go and we have to maybe check respectfully the mosques, and we have to check other places, because this is a problem that if we don't solve it, it's going to eat our country alive. okay? >> respectfully. >> joining us now, the secretary of homeland security jeh johnson. very good to have you, mr. secretary, with us. >> thank you. >> i'm going to just pretend that didn't happen and ask you about the new bulletin you've put out in light of orlando and bring us up to speed on where we stand. >> yes. yesterday we put out a new what we call bulletin, national terrorism advisory bulletin to advise public of the current environment. we issued one in december, we issued one yesterday. >> what's it mean?

>> in general it means that we are in an environment where we have to be concerned about home grown violent extremist that could strike at any place. we ask for public vigilence, public awareness when it comes to public events, public places. the public should know for this president, for this government, homeland security is our number one priority. i've been working alongside this president now since the beginning. homeland security is his number one priority. >> so what do we do to face this challenge? there are many come on and say with a home grown lone wolf it's almost impossible to prevent that sort of attack. >> first of all, overseas we're killing these guys. wherever they rear their heads, especially focused on external ops, external planning. law enforcement and state and local government is working overtime to address potential terrorist plots. but in this environment there is a role for the public to play. public awareness, public

vigilence can make a difference. it is also crucial we continue to build bridges to american muslim communities, the very communities the islamic state is targeting and trying to recruit in this country. we're going to keep at that. >> mr. secretary, i want to follow up on that point. what is homeland security, along with the other agencies, doing on the ground to build the kind of network, human intelligence network, not just abroad but most specifically here now that we've seen more and more instances of that home grown element of terrorism. >> we have our traditional law enforcement means for gathering informati information, through interviews, informants and the like. in this environment it's also important we build bridges to communities not just for law enforcement purposes but to counter the message of the islamic state, to encourage people in communities to basically if you see something say something or encourage

somebody in a different direction early on before we have to get to the law enforcement route. >> so what have we learned about the attacker in the orlando massacre in terms of his online activity? is there anything new there? the follow-up would be, what are you able to do online to prevent and what more would you like to be able to do? >> we're four days into the investigation. all the signs are this is yet another tragic example of a home grown, home born violent extremist. he does not appear to have been part of any cell or any group. this does not appear to be a terrorist directed attack from overseas. it is mostly a terror inspired attack. when you talk online, this is a conversation with tech sector, community leaders. >> tech sector, we hear you're getting nothing but pushback.

>> the tech sector has made considerable progress first of all content. it's a difficult job. most is fleeting, multiple places. the tech sector is committed to taking down terror content that violates their terms of service. one of the things we've been talking to them about, helping to amplify counter-message to the islamic state. there are a lot of members of the american muslim communities out there who are trying to put forth the counter-message and it needs a larger microphone. i think the tech sector has a roll there and we're beginning to see progress there. we need to do a lot more obviously. >> mr. secretary, tough question. in this case hauntingly the fbi looked at the suspect omar mateen twice in 2013 and 2014. this is the third case, terrorism case in a row where the fbi was looking at the perpetrator but didn't get him. it raises the question, does the

fbi need more resources? do we need to rethink the rules for these investigations? what's your -- >> i know from working with the fbi daily that their counter-terrorism mechanisms are tremendous. the fbi does an excellent job investigating, detecting and preventing terrorist plots in this country. i see that all the time. in this case, the shooter was interviewed multiple times. he was investigated. there was a follow-up interview. the fbi made the judgment based on what they knew at the time that they should dedicate this resources to other active investigations. >> do they need more people? >> i won't second-guess the fbi on this, because i know how aggressive they are when it comes to their counter-terrorism effort. >> so one component of this is gun control, which is being debated right now on the senate floor. cynics look at the gun control and say you want to screen

people on the no-fly list, terrorist watch list, this guy wasn't on the list. you want to do background checks, this guy passed background checks. what is the legislative response that would have prevented the situation like we had in orlando. >> there's a lot of ideas right now. i just think when you look at orlando, you look at san bernardino, we have to face the fact that responsible, sensible gun control is now a matter of homeland security. it's not just a matter of public safety. it's a matter of homeland security that we address this on a national level. this is something we've got to face and we've got to do. to minimize the opportunities for a terrorist to get ahold of a gun one way or another. it's a matter of homeland security we take this on. >> secretary jeh johnson, thank you very, very much for being on. >> thank you. >> coming up, something to laugh about in this brutal 2016 presidential cycle. we will be right back with a

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over on the republican side donald trump is still the nominee. i don't know what to make of this but herman cain was introducing him at a rally today -- at least i think that's what he was doing. look at this.

>> shucky ducky. this sounds like a shucky ducky kind of crowd on a shucky ducky kind of day here to support a shucky ducky kind of candidate. >> what is going on? herman cain has even dropped a new single called shucky ducky. take a look at this. >> this sounds like a shucky ducky crowd, shucky ducky day, donald trump shucky ducky candidate. allow me to set the record straight and he make america great. >> shucky ducky. shucky ducky. >> wow. >> 999. >> reverend 999. that seems like the good old days. >> that guy was in first place for a while. >> eighth graders near chicago middle school were asked to write graduation speeches for an english assignment.

in the end there were three finalists. but we think you'll agree jack ailo was the winner. >> so many good experiences here. you know, one of those would have to be starting foreign language or learning languages from spain, from france, from german and china. and you know, people say i don't like china. i love china. i love china. i mean, i have so many terrific friends in china. when i took spanish, and let me just tell you by the way it was fantastic or muy fantastico. i have to hand it to senator ted cruz. thank you, donald. let me start by saying this.

god bless the great school of -- thank you, president obama. i like to start off by thanking the great hardworking teachers of thomas middle school. i know that senator sanders agrees with me. yes, i do agree with the senator. and hello. thank you for allowing me to speak to you today. let me start with the lunches. they are delicious. things like pizza and tacos and chips, you name it. some of the best cinnamon rolls

i've ever tasted. i do have one improvement for them though. we need to make them free. >> that's great. >> how about that. >> eighth grade. what grade is he in? >> eighth. >> that's just not right. he's fantastic. >> yes. >> bring that guy on the show. >> bring him on. all right. that was fun. coming up -- >> it was good. it was really good. >> coming up on "morning joe." >> senator, do you have anything to say about donald trump's claim that soldiers in iraq were stealing? >> just another one. >> yeah. is this becoming a chore? it seems now, i don't want to comment, run out the clock here. >> welcome to our world. >> wow. that was honesty.

the headache continues for dyed in the wool republicans. plus john kasich reveals his plan for republican convention. joe's conversation with the former presidential candidate is straight ahead. but first from the black list, "the washington post" chris alisa. washington times reporters still invited to report on the trump campaign. lucky him. "morning joe" is coming right back.

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a tent, actually unsafe, canvas, a tent on the white house lawn. i actually called up the obama administration, david axelrod. i spoke to him. i said, david, i'll build a ballroom, put up all the money, five architects, all from america, i'll build a ballroom. bigger than the tent, so beautiful. it will be great. i never heard back. if i was at the white house, i'd say let's talk a little more. let's go. in our greatness years ago they wouldn't have called, it was before the phone, they would have it built. >> welcome back to "morning joe" tuesday june 16th. >> you actually have tents so you can put them up and take them down. >> what was that about? >> talking about helicopters going to take off. >> canvas.

>> made in america. >> worked great in the primaries. so much of this stuff worked great in the primaries. we've got poll numbers showing just how badly things are going right now. >> so we have columnist editor david ignatius. correspondent kasie hunt and joining the conversation msnbc political contributor and editor of "the fix," "washington post," khris cillizza and washington times reporter. >> till in the game. >> still in the game. >> one-year anniversary of donald trump going down that escalator. >> i was there. >> on his 365th day as candidate he went back to insinuating president obama has secret ties to isis. after the massacre in orlando donald trump stirred controversy for suggesting president obama

has hidden motives in the fight against terrorism. yesterday trump continued to push the conspiracy theory. he retweeted the tweet, media fell all over themselves, what donald trump may have said about the president but he's right. that tweet linked to an article posted on the conservative news site breitbart about purported president obama's support for isis. >> let's stop right there. chris cillizza, you talk about the days donald trump has wasted. inexplicable. even if you look at his behavior in the primary, which at times seemed erratic and strange but always made his poll numbers go up. this erratic and strange behavior is making his poll numbers drop like a rock. we all said it would. it's now if you look at the wisconsin poll and other state polls, now taking down the

republican party with him, historic lows. >> he wins the nomination in indiana, the time between then and now has remarkably been wasted based on a theory of the case, which he seems to believe, despite the significant part of the country, if he was running another republican primary on the 8th, he would be perfectly positioned again. the problem is he got 13 million votes in the primary. mitt romney when he lost in 2012 got 60 million votes. there's a giant delta between what you get in the primary and election. it's numbers. it's who those people are. he was preaching to the chorus in the primary. we should have seen that coming. we didn't. this is not a republican primary any longer. >> the hard evidence is coming in in the numbers. a new poll. a couple of days ago a poll showed him down seven points. bloomberg even more, "washington

post" out with a poll more devastating. >> let's look at the bloomberg poll, republican party are historic valley of favorability, 32%, lowest number since the poll began. >> as you look at that number, 32%, mika, that is the impact donald trump's 30 or 40-day bender, whatever you want to call it, political bender is taking the republican party on. david ignatius, it's going to be devastating up and down the ballot unless leaders in this party step up. >> the evidence of this month, we can calibrate the cost. according to the "washington post" poll that's released today, it has cost 10 percentage points in the last month in terms of his unfavorability rating. there is now a significant gap between him and hillary clinton. if you extrapolate from those numbers, assume he'll say as many mistaken things and clinton will be as good a candidate,

you're looking at a blowout. what i have to remind myself is that through this race, people like me, political analysts continue to get something wrong. maybe that's finally changed. maybe these numbers tell us it's finally over but we don't know that. >> let me say as two people who said starting a year ago this guy is going to win the republican nomination. we also said and mika said the numbers were going to go down. i've been saying for a long time you can't run a general election campaign. so i just say as two people who said he is going to win, he is going to lose. >> what's wrong now that he was doing before. you're right. >> what is he doing wrong? >> what's the point at which this machine that was working stops working? >> i've explained it time and time again. he's playing two diametrically opposed games. we even said this in the primary. what helps him in the primary will hurt him in the general.

we were saying that while he was winning the primary. you go out and say the president of the united states, which, you know, a third of the republican electorate go out and vote in primaries, the most hard core. you tell a third of the republican electorate, the most hard core, barack obama with a wink and a nod is helping isis, guess what, you're going to get a third of that third of the republican electorate. you take that to the general election and, again, the 13 million who voted for him, you just create this massive goal for the 65, 70 million votes you need to win this thing. he's playing a completely different game. >> and seems not to understand. >> he does not understand. i keep making golfing analogies he's on par 5 with a putter. >> that analogy would hurt him. >> he's club champion. >> look, the fundamentals are different for him, too.

it's not just trump's own approach. it's what surrounds him. it's immediate environment where he's running against one other candidate, somebody who has stature that none of the other republicans he was able to take down were able to have. i think that matters. he's also running against somebody who -- hillary clinton not only has proven her self to have found her footing as a candidate, her campaign has shown the last two weeks they really know what they are doing. >> she has a campaign. >> she does. >> that's a big difference. >> 7 plus million dollar ad buy in states time after time after time. that could change. they could make missteps. all those taken together with trump performing wait he is gives clinton a lot of confidence. >> wisconsin, a state that easily elected scott walker during midterms hillary clinton way ahead by 9 points. this is where republicans are really going to feel it. ron johnson republican losing by

nine points to democrat russ feingold who was defeated not long ago. there are signs of waning enthusiasm among republicans. >> tell me something about you politicians. when someone goes on a bender do you pick up a drink and join them and start drinking more? i'm serious. if it looks like somebody on a bender, and there are top republicans who have joined him. >> political bender. >> in the gutter. >> you know what they are doing, they are handing him the car keys every day. go out and drive the party into the ditch. and following up on the campaign issue, he's got no structure. >> nothing will jolt the republican party, the rnc, capitol hill into reality like polls like that that show not only is donald trump going to lose -- >> did they really need to wait for poll results to come out?

>> i think political reality takes a while to set in. not that long ago, maybe a week ago, when everybody was talking about how hillary clinton was getting beat by donald trump in national polls. we were all distracted by that shining object. i do think there's a sense now you have a tragedy like orlando which really drives home the need for somebody serious and thoughtful and mature in the presidency and they see the way donald trump is behaving and that really hurts him. >> certainly among general electorate, mika. let's look. >> behold, donald trump's unfavorables key groups, "washington post" abc news poll, hispanics, 89%. >> women, 77% under the age of 40. 75%. independents, 68%. >> wait a second, mika. i want you to keep going. those are such historically bad numbers. 89% disapproval among hispanics, 77% among women. 75% under the age of 40.

barry goldwater is going to look like a very successful presidential candidate. we are now moving -- i promise you, if these numbers remain, we are moving into alf landon territory. >> look at the bottom of that list. his area of supposed greatest strength, noncollege white men, 53% unfavorable. joe, that's where the bottom is falling out. >> he's underperforming mitt romney -- he's underperforming mitt romney even among groups he should -- whites, noncollege educated whites he's slightly outperforming, underperforming college educated whites. forget african-american and hispanic numbers, incredibly bad, even places he's supposed to be best. >> noncollege whites, 53%. >> again, why would you join him on this bender and continue endorsing him? tell me why? you even have poll numbers to back up your insecurities.

>> up and down, 89% hispanic. let's go through numbers. >> upside down with every income group. his poll numbers are down. his poll numbers are down. donald trump's poll numbers are down. >> over $100,000. 63% have an unfavorable view. if you make 50 to $100,000, which should be his strength, 59% disapprove. if you make less than $50,000, 51% of americans disapprove. >> people don't like -- >> this is historic, david ignatius. we are reaching historic lows. >> they are devastating numbers. last week hillary clinton strategist said 70% of what we're trying to do is say to the country this man is unsuitable to lead the country and i think that's what's biting. that's what the country is

saying. orlando just tied that tight. >> david, hillary clinton and her entire campaign could have spent the last month in france watching the european championships and donald trump's number would still be going down. he's destroyed himself with the mexican judge comments. he destroyed himself saying commander in chief is in cahoots with isis. >> may 25th, state ig department comes out, says hillary clinton -- scolds hillary clinton may 25th. may 27th donald trump goes to orlando and delivers 11-minute out of the blue rant about trump university and judge curiel. what are we talking about all the time between may 25th and 27th? >> the judge. >> you can't have a better issue if you're donald trump and the republican party than the state

department's inspector general saying your nominee did things that were untoward. and yet -- >> so mika you ask, what are people -- what are republicans consoling themselves with. let's take a look at that for a seco second. they believe there's a bernie like revolution on the right. exciting all these numbers, evangelicals are going to come out in numbers we haven't seen historically. there's no evidence of that. when you look at swing states, virginia, michigan, places like florida, the number of new voters is tiny. people voting in the republican primary have all voted before in the general election. they are not new. they are new to the primary process but not new and republican. >> this is clear-cut. if you don't want to stand on the side of what is correct and right and morally -- the moral thing to do, if you can't have a core and can't have a spine and do the right thing, you at least would follow poll numbers pathetically and let them lead you and they are doing neither.

i'm sorry. i'm confused. >> one thing, i think this is where campaigns matter, too. if you're having a bad couple of weeks, you were talking about how donald trump doesn't have one. ted cruz's former strategist, a master at this stuff, out there saying the last week or so, a good data operation is worth 2.5 to 5 points in a general election. donald trump is just like, good luck finding that. i remember in 2012 when there was this -- we were talking about this off the air, mitt romney had this little bubble in september where people thought maybe he'll be able to win. the obama campaign went into news organizations with a polling presentation that said not only are these enthusiasm numbers wrong but here are our charts with all the people that have already voted to show you that we are going to win this election. it was one of the most convincing things i've ever seen. i think the hillary campaign is on track to be at that point in september. >> you know what donald trump says about data? when we found out, he's not going to do it.

he's going to do big rallies. >> he loves polls. it's going to be tough to refute poll numbers. i wonder if there's any vice presidential nominee that would rescue trump from what today looks like -- >> no. the biggest problem with donald trump right now, david ignatius, and people very close to him will say the same thing, donald trump only listens to donald trump. donald trump is not going to listen to anybody. donald trump calls bob gates a loser. >> calls john mccain a loser. >> calls john mccain a loser. donald trump listens to nobody and that's why he is where he is right now. >> shhh. okay. you be quiet. trump yesterday spoke to a packed house of 4,000 in atlanta where he struck a defiant tone with his own party just like i did. >> the republicans, honestly,

folks, our leaders -- our leaders have to get tougher. this is too tough to do it alone. you know what, i think i'm going to be forced to. i think i'm going to be forced to. our leaders have to get a lot tougher. and be quiet. just please be quiet. don't talk. please be quiet. just be quiet, to the leaders. because they have to get tougher. they have to get sharper, they have to get smarter. we have to have republicans stick together or let me do it by myself, i'm going to do very well. i'm goinged to very well. a lot of people thought i should do that anyway but i'll just do it very nicely by myself. i think you're going to have a very good result. i think we'll be very happy. >> no one talking. >> no one is talking, though. >> the numbers are absolutely horrific, and the republican leaders are now being told, chris cillizza, to shut up by donald trump. welcome to trump 2016. i wonder how that will work if

he were ever elected president of the united states. >> he gave a speech last tuesday when california ended where he said, i understand the responsibility i've been given by this mantel and i will make you proud. i should have preceded it by saying mitch mcconnell, paul ryan and reince priebus, i understand it's not me, i represent the party, i represent ron johnson and kelly ayotte and all these people. this is not that. >> it's not. this is him telling everybody to shut up. >> you can't do -- in a primary, fine. he is the nominee of the entire republican party, all 240 plus members of the house, all 53 or 54 senators. you cannot do it because you will bring them down. forget all the other stuff. the nerdy get out the vote down ballot stuff, you have to fund the campaigns to pay for people

to -- >> there's none of that. >> so ahead of the general election hillary clinton's campaign is buying up blocks of advertising time in key battleground states. according to nbc news ad tracking sources her campaign will be going up with ads in eight battleground states spending $7 million and counting. meanwhile during a roundtable discussion yesterday clinton compared her national security plans to those of donald trump. >> after all the twitter rants and conspiracy theories we've been hearing recently, it's time for substantive discussions about how we protect our country. as president i will make identifying and stopping lone wolves a top priority. if the fbi is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you should not be able to buy a gun with no questions asked. [ applause ] >> it is apparent that donald

trump does not seem to grasp any of this. his comments have become even more inflammatory in recent days. this approach isn't just wrong, it is dangerous. a ban on muslims would not have stopped this attack. neither would a wall. i don't know how one builds a wall to keep the internet out. not one of donald trump's reckless ideas would have saved a single life in orlando. it just more evidence that he is temperamentally unfit and totally unqualified to be commander in chief. >> very measured and clear. just to add to that in the "washington post," david ignatius writes about trump's dangerous, islamaphobia that helps the islamic state. the islamaphobia with trump and

counter-parts argues u.s. strategist for coalition. inflammatory kpeno phobic statements reinforce jihadist claim muslim knights fighting against intolerant west. trump unwittingly gives them precisely the role they dream about. trump displays a level of irresponsibility that should worry americans. not just because his statements are immoral and unconstitutional but because they put the country at greater risk. >> david, we've heard this time and time again. we've heard it not just from democratic policy leaders but michael hayden for months, general hayden, republican through and through has been saying this for months. >> i think this obviously is not a political point, but a national security point. i talked to intelligence officials from the u.s. and around the world about this terrible problem of isis and they consistently say the same

thing, which is that the best thing isis has got going for it at a time when it's being rolled up in syria slowly, being rolled up in syria and iraq is the way in which this rhetoric plays to their narrative. it says to muslims, you are under attack and we're here to defend you. it's the best thing we've got going. i think that's quite apart from the ways in which this is unconstitutional, troubles us morally. it also plays to our adversaries game. i think i've heard many republicans now, people on this show, general hayden, making this point. it's crucial. doesn't seem to be getting through to donald trump yet. >> lindsey graham is another one. >> usually after these types of terrorist incidents, after san bernardino, after paris, you saw donald trump get a bump of about five points in the poll. it wasn't a temporary one. >> not this time. >> not this time. >> chris cillizza, thank you, jeremy peters, thank you as

well. we'll be reporting your "new york times" front page story on why after orlando, a political divide on gay rights still stands. still ahead on "morning joe," joe's exclusive sitdown interview with governor john kasich. also ahead this morning -- >> we cannot go on with business as usual in this body. >> virtually every member of this body has probably stated or tweeted out their thoughts and prayers for the victims in orlando. they want to see more than thoughts and prayers. they actually want to see us act. >> we don't want terrorists to be able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun. this is not rocket science to figure this out. >> i can't go back home this weekend and explain to the people in west virginia why we haven't moved forward on this, and there could be another orlando in god forbid one of our states. >> did a 14-hour filibuster actually help break a logjam with new gun legislation? we're going to talk to senator

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's. it doesn't take courage to stand here on the floor of the united states senate for two hours or six hours or 14 hours. it doesn't take courage to stand up to the gun lobby when 90% of your constituents want change to happen. it takes courage to look into the eye of a shooter, instead of running, wrapping your arms around a 6-year-old boy and accepting death as a trade for just a tiny little itty piece of increased peace of mind for a little boy under your charge.

so this has been a day of questions. so i ask you all this question, if anne-marie murphy could do that, then ask yourself, what can you do to make sure that orlando or sandy hook never, ever happens again. with deep gratitude to all those who have endured this very, very late night, i yield the floor. >> that was house senator chris murphy in a 14-hour filibuster last night just after 2:00 a.m. this morning where he says there will be a vote on closing the terror gap and universal background. today president and vice president head to orlando to pay respects to the victims of the worst mass shooting in this country's history. joining us now on set is democratic senator joe manchin

of west virginia. also with us nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. >> senator, we've been talking about this since the days after sandy hook. you have fought the great fight. like me a guy -- >> used to have. >> 100% nra rating. >> lifetime member. >> lifetime member. you know what, you talked about background checks, making them tougher, keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, domestic abusers. a 90% issue. we were stunned and talked about it a lot several years ago, the cowardice of many people on the hill to ignore what 90% of americans wanted. how are we doing today? are we moving closer to sensible background checks that keep guns out of the hands of terrorists? >> i like to think so. it's the building block. if we do the expanded terrorist watch list, we in west virginia

say no fly, no buy. if you're on no fly list, should be a certain% e percent of time evaluate you. ours is simple close the loophole check, said law abiding gun, not going to sell guns to strangers to people who are unstable. that's fine. if i don't know you and go to a gun show -- >> 89% of americans according to cbs poll, only 8% oppose that. >> they are all in the senate. >> that keeps guns out of the hands of terrorists, domestic abusers, that actually keeps guns out of the hands of future murderers. >> this dialogue we have going on right now, democrats and republicans, all of us, all of our friends, they don't want terrorists to have guns. i said if that's the case, then, make sure they can't get them.

>> remember that clip we showed of the terrorists on the fbi's most wanted list? >> what they did? >> what did he say? he said go to america, go to any gun show, pick up automatic weapons. >> at a gun show if you're a federal firearms licensed dealer you have to do a background check, even if you're at the gun show. if sam is selling guns he has a family collection he wants to get rid of, he can sell them to anybody. >> one of the great stories i tell about your bill, get to the question here. everyone assumes, critics assumed it would lead to a federal registry. in your bill you criminalize -- >> federal agent or federal office that does that they are -- >> my question was even when you put the language enyour bill saying it's a crime. >> federal crime. >> making a registry, people still believed it, which gets to the point there are perceptions about the gun debate that are

incredibly hard to dispel. when you couldn't do it after 20 first graders were killed in sandy hook, how do you suspect you can do it now? >> if you don't take the opportunity, these horrible tragedies that come on, how come always in a crisis you do. if you don't take advantage of a crisis, if you don't use and seize the moment, try to move the public policy forward, shame on you. i come from a gun culture state. i understand it. no one is going to protect second amendment rights more than myself. joe comes from the same culture. but if we don't step forward and say this is not who we are, we weren't trained this way. it's not who we are. if you don't step forward and have knowledge and say, listen, i'm protecting your rights. we're going to basically expand mental illness, help people with mental illness, protect schools, kids in schools. i was a governor, no one said, governor, you've got to make sure every school you build on the first floor has built proof windows. sandy hook they shot through. that was something new to us.

we never knew that, joe. we're learning. if you don't take advantage and make changes what's the purpose of being in public office. >> hallie, as democrats press for ac, seems donald trump could be seeking new gun restrictions as well. the presumptive presidential nominee summoned national rifle association to discuss legislation saying, quote, i will be meeting with the nra who has endorsed me about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list or no-fly list to buy guns. the nra has responded they are happy to meet with trump, quote, our position is no guns for terrorists period, due process and right to self-defense for law abiding americans. >> this goes to a question i want to ask you, senator. we know donald trump has met with the executive director of the nra this week in new york. do you see his positions, presumptive nominee's positions having any sway counter-parts when it comes to what you're trying to do? >> they haven't been towing the line that well with donald to

begin w i don't know how much he's going to influence him. he's speaking out. this man has not gotten to where he's gotten to right now without having the pulse of the people. this is something that needs to be done. they will see the path forward. the firewall we have right now is due process. it's all due process. we can all say we want the same thing but how do we get there. if a person is on the terrorist watch list like the gentleman, the shooter in orlando, twice by the fbi, we were briefed yesterday about what happened but that man was brought in twice. they did everything they could. fbi did everything they were supposed to do but there was no way to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun buy list. if a person under suspicion, a five year period of time of good behavior, come to traits, maybe come to this agreement. due process is what's killing us

now. >> on that point, senator, there are currently over 300 million guns owned by americans across this country. what do you do about those current gun owners? it's one thing looking down the road to say i want to prevent sam from buying a gun because he suddenly and on this list. what about a current gun owner who may appear on the list, number one? who has the conversation with current gun owners about future confiscations of weapons that are banned. number two. and what about the black market for guns? this concept, a lot of the gun owners i talk to are like, wait a minute, do you think a terrorist or potential terrorist is going to go stand in line at the dm v here is my driver's license, identification, sign me up for the lawful purchase of a gun? there are other aspects -- >> how do you respond to those three? >> first of all, majority -- an overwhelming majority is law abiding gun owners that aren't going to do anything wrong. they bought the gun for the

purposes and second amendment right. that being said, how do you plug the hole and how do you get people who have a gun that shouldn't have a gun. that has to be monitored closely. if a person commit a crime, they will be taken away. loopholes, even though we take them away, put them on a list new york city buy list, nix list, they can still go around. we keep saying the building plok to doing all this is closing the loopholes in the background checks. that's all. we're not taking, we're not attacking. as long as you continue to demonize a person who lawfully buys a gun, law abiding gun owner, thinking they are a criminal, do something wrong, you're going to have the division we have now. a person has owns a gun the same as a high-speed car or anything else, not going to do anything wrong, but the person that can't with the gun or do something to

commit horrific crimes. this is a divided country. we're accusing people who have no intent to do anything wrong. >> senator joe manchin, thank you very, very much. >> if i can say one thing, i've got something coming up on opiates, it's been killing my state and country. >> we want to talk about "being charlie." rob reiner's son. >> we have rob reiner coming into the capital congressional auditorium atrium wednesday june 29th, 6:00 to 10:00. rob reiner will come. it's going to be me and charlie. it's about his son, addiction in america and what we have to do to tight this. it's killing not only west virginians but americans, robbing us of a whole generation and we're fighting it. >> thank you very much. senator jo mansion, thank you. hallie jackson, thank you as well. we're back in just a moment. good okay... good what if a million people download the new app? we're good. five million? good. we scale on demand. hybrid infrastructure, boom.

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what concerns you the most about hillary clinton being elected president? >> supreme court. i'm not talking just about the issue of life. i'm talking about the ability of

the court to start basically running our economy. or there's just so many decisions that can come from a court that could favor really big government. the last thing we need is bigger government in this country. and you know, the only thing i can tell you is that's something that really weighs on a whole lot of people in the republican party. >> my sitdown with ohio governor john kasich. we're going to be playing the full interview in our next hour. with us now former democratic governor of michigan jennifer granholm and former communications director, i think he's been working quietly on the side with donald trump over the last six weeks. joking. >> okay, rick. >> we showed numbers before, all the numbers out this week have just been deadly for republicans. you now have the republican party with the lowest rate ever. seen in wisconsin, down ballot, ron johnson nine points down.

donald trump, 89% of hispanics disapprove of donald trump. 77% of women disapprove of donald trump and noncollege educated white men, supposedly his core base, a majority, also disapprove of him. 52, 53%. that's -- as i said, that's not barry goldwater territory that's alf landon. >> it's pretty bad, six out of ten unfavorable. the ban post said 65% said they would never support donald trump. if this continues to go on and on, polls continue in this direction, the party is going to become very, very -- i think they already are very, very nervous. >> what does the party do about it? what do the party leaders do about it? >> i've been thinking about that michael would probably know better than i would. what's the practical mechanism. rnc is not going to replace

donald trump at the top of the ticket. it would have to be delegate initiated, initiated by someone in the rules committee. the rules committee would have to be convinced that donald trump would be such a disaster that they have to replace him. maybe a little like chemotherapy. make them all sick but maybe cure the cancer. >> what more does he need to do to actually prompt those actions? they don't seem so -- >> i don't know if it's a question of what more he needs to do. the question to what we were talking about earlier, joe, who is that someone. you make the choice when you say we're just going to forget the presidential election and cede that to hillary clinton in november, which is a hard space for the party to get to. the counter point comes who steps in at the convention. who do the delegates turn to? given donald trump has control over the convention, control over rnc and mechanisms of this process, i do not see him

putting his people on those relevant committees to turn him out. >> jennifer, you know how it goes, you can't run away from the top of the ticket. if you're a democrat -- >> you can try. >> it never works. >> believe me, the democrats will be pointing this out to every single person on the ballot. to your point, there are groups right now that are currently getting -- who are going to be at the convention to get riot training, defensive training f you at the convention somehow did a switcheroo. are you kidding me? the base. it cannot happen. back to what you're saying. this impacts the entire ticket. and you better believe that democrats are going to say this is trump's party. you guys on it. unless you come out and do what you've been advocating, joe, which is to say i do not support this candidate. >> don't support muslim ban. >> any of these policies.

>> racist against indiana judges. >> narcissism. >> we don't judge people where they are from. we don't judge people where their parents are from. >> three generations. he said they won't assimilate after three generations. he's got a mental problem. he's insane. >> that's just an ignorant statement. >> it's an ignorant statement but comes out of complete ignorance. to reinforce what you were saying. former governor of michigan, weather watch the largest muslim american population. first, s.e.c., third generation. small business owners, doctors, lawyers, people in the community. that kind of thing, that loses him hundreds of thousands of votes in a state like michigan. >> just outrageous, indefensible position. ted cruz had a position we should have a moratorium or ban on immigrants from countries where we know terrorism is

prevalent. that makes sense. that became donald's position. a popular talk radio host, actually who is not a fan of all trump defended him on that position three hours later, went on a competing network and completely reversed his position. even when you try to say we like this, he flips his position and we're back to square one. >> rick, if you had to give donald trump some advice and say this is going down and you have one chance to save your self and the party in this lec, what would you tell him? >> he needs a campaign structure that does its job. as i've mentioned before, when he was after the indiana judge, of mexican heritage, that was such a distraction. he missed the opportunity to weigh in on ig report of mishandling of information by hillary clinton. he missed the jobs report, we

only have 38,000. one of the best compelling arguments we don't want to continue a third obama administration with clinton administration because this is the direction it will continue to go. and he missed reacting to hillary clinton's former policy speech, which is essentially a critique of his foreign policy speech. his team absolutely failed to do that. they seemed to be paralyzed. they waited for him to say something and go out and defend what he says. then switches it and defends that. and so you've got to do that. there's a huge mismatch in fundraising ability. clinton apparatus, say what you will about it, it is a vigorous fundraising machine. >> so, michael and rick, can i just ask an uncomfortable question. are we at this point that even republicans have to admit hillary clinton would at least not run our country into the

ground and drive some really bad factors back into play. can you say that? >> no. >> too early for them yet. >> why can't you say that? >> because i think, mika -- >> i don't understand. >> let him answer the question. >> i get the argument that people go, well, it's so bad for you guys that you've got to like our candidate. >> no, i'm not asking you to like -- >> that's the general thought. there are philosophical -- fundamental philosophical differences a lot of people have with hillary clinton. that's our problem we've got to work out internally. >> it's not a binary choice. our problem is and i think i speak for the other two republicans on this panel now, she doesn't represent our values but neither does he. >> neither does he. >> that's the problem right there. we have two -- hold on a second, we have two people from new york who -- and i'm from new york, actually connecticut now, but we have two people from new york who are lifelong democrats, who supported hillary clinton in

2008, who -- they do not share conservative republican values. >> fundamental differences. >> so you're asking me whether i want to vote for bernie sanders or hillary clinton, and my answer is no, no, i that's, i t >> absolutely right. >> will you write in somebody? will you vote for gary johnson? what do you do? >> i don't know. look at it. >> we've got to work it out. >> your point. my advice would be something my mother told me as a young boy and it applies to donald trump today. shut up and listen. because the problem he has is the only person he's taking advice from right now is himself. and all the smart people around him, inside and outside the paerkts he's not listening to. he's telling them to shut up, and that's the problem. that's the problem. it's not going to -- >> as mika says, he is saying to the republican leadership, shh, let me do this. >> but that's the advice.

we know he's not going to take it, which gets us to the point where -- >> we know he's capable of doing it. we know that after wisconsin, manafort came on. he did it for two or three weeks. ran a disciplined campaign and rolled out massive victories. >> those closest to him don't think he's doing anything wrong. >> i don't agree with you. they just don't want to admit. they know this is a nightmare for all of them. >> governor granholm. this isn't easy. >> i agree with you. i'm with you. a first on "morning joe" for me. >> rick tyler, thank you as well. still ahead, hillary clinton is vetting candidates for vice president. we'll tell you whose name is reportedly not on the list. stay with us. trolling for a gig with braindrone? can't blame you. it's a drone you control with your brain, which controls your thumbs, which control this joystick. no, i'm actually over at the ge booth. we're creating the operating system for industry.

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well, good morning. it's thursday, june 16th. we're here in washington. with us on set at the d.c. bureau, we have correspondent for the huffington post and "time." >> why are you laughing? >> senior. >> he called me that for like five years. baccalaureate last year. >> did you play violin. >> and political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. and columnist and associate editor for "the washington post" -- >> don't say senior. >> -- david ignatius. and political correspondent kasie hunt all on set with us. >> let's talk about, first of all, last night. >> we have -- >> to be able to attend an event here in washington. >> in honor of sandy hook promise. of course, we can't believe the time has gone by.

it will be three years december since the massacre in newtown. and the families and some very generous people and some really smart people have put together and committed themselves to sandy hook promise which is spreading awareness across the country and really trying to combat this problem of gun violence in a smart, peaceful way. >> also in a holistic way, too. not pointing fingers. trying to get solutions. and the most remarkable thing is, again, one of the founders of it told us backstage getting through it, he said what you do is you try to get out of bed. >> he was giving me advice. i was a little down. >> figure out how to get out of bed. then try to make it until noon. and after you fight your way to getting to noon think, how can i get through another day, you eventually make it through another day.

and then you eventually figure out how to make it through a weekend. and after all of that, you know you have to do something to make a difference, to go out and make sure that the people that you love, and his wife was a school psychiatrist that ran toward the shooter. that tried to save as many lives at possible. and that's what they're doing. they are making this unspeakable tragedy just turning it into a promise. turning it into action. and it was very inspiring. >> really an honor to be there. >> to politics now, i'm just going to gloat a little about predicting the polls going down for donald trump, because they are. this morning -- >> we don't do that here. >> everyone on the set was like, oh, no, his polls will do well. they're not. i'm not going to see donald trump reading poll numbers at breakfast anymore. >> it's his birthday. this is the one year anniversary

of donald trump's official presidential campaign and on his 365th day as a candidate, he went back to his tried and true -- >> yeah. that would be -- >> which is pretty stunning. he insinuated once again that president obama has secret ties to isis. i have got to start with you as former chairman of the republican party. >> why you coming to me? i'm drinking my coffee. seriously. >> it's a serious problem and we're starting to see it. we've seen the polls. we've seen out of wisconsin polls collapsing in wisconsin down ballot and a republican senator now down nine points in wisconsin. the same number of points that you have donald trump down in wisconsin. this guy who was going to be the game-changer. w. almost won wisconsin a couple of times. now he's suggesting by posting

breitbart articles all along that he was right that the president is in cohorts with isis. >> i don't know where you go from here because there is nowhere to go. >> don't you have to condemn -- doesn't the republican party -- i'm hearing more and more them saying this is just not acceptable. >> i think in all honesty, there has to make a break, a separation. there has to be the leadership wall has to be placed up. and not just meaning ryan and mcconnell but across the board. you saw yesterday in my state governor hogan, larry hogan come out and say, i just can't get there. more and more governors beginning to see that reality and speak to it. and the party has to recognize between now and the convention, we're still in june. i get that. at the end of the day -- >> too much damage. >> -- too much damage has occurred. >> when you have the mexican judge remarks and the guy is from indiana, he's now, donald

trump, the republican presumptive nominee saying that the president of the united states is in cahoots with isis, there's some things you can't walk back. >> after the massacre in orlando, donald trump stirred controversy for suggesting president obama has hidden motives in the fight against terrorism. yesterday trump continued to push the conspiracy theory. he retweeted this tweet. media fell all over themselves criticizing what donald trump may have insinuated about the president. but he's right. that tweet then linked to an article posted in the conservative news site breitbart about purported obama administration support for isis. the article is about a memo from august 2012 with concerns that terror groups might gain support through usa to syria among the well publicized reasons the u.s. hesitated about its involvement. >> david ignatius, where do you begin with a major presidential candidate retweeting an article

that actually says the president supports isis? >> the breathtaking thing was the comment itself suggesting really disloyalty by the united states in the middle of a crisis after a terrorist attack suggesting the president in some way, some vague way involved, and then come this memo. the memo is describing the situation as of august 2012. it correctly states that on the two sides of the conflict in syria you have opposition groups backed by the united states, turkey, saudi arabia. on the other side groups backed by the regime, by russia and by iran. what's left out in this insinuation that hillary was backing isis is that at that very time, hillary clinton and the government was arguing for a cia program to arm and train the moderates to get out of precisely the situation the memo describes. >> i can't believe we have to debate the merits of the charge.

>> just so people know because actually the opposite is true. >> but there is something completely surreal that we've gone to a point where the presumptive presidential candidate accuses the president of being in cahoots with our foremost terrorist enemy here. just think about it. step back for a second and think. has this ever happened in, you know, presidential politics? i know we're all supposed to be like, there's always this bad. they shot each other on the senate floor, but we literally have a presumptive nominee accusing a president of being in cahoots with terrorists. it's really, really crazy. >> i just have never seen anything like it before. >> yeah. and what should the republicans do? the republicans should do what i told you to do last week. this is getting worse by the day. there has to be separation between the republican leadership, the republican rank and file and donald trump. you need to go back to your districts and explain that if

our supporters want to defeat hillary clinton and want to keep a republican senate and a republican house, something dramatic needs to happen quickly. mika, this is getting out of control. it's not like -- it's not like we haven't been talking about this day in and day out. donald trump, for some reason over the last two weeks, has decided to throw this election. this is again, you look at trump. manafort came in. after wisconsin. you look what happened for two, three weeks. he ran a disciplined campaign. delivered a half disciplined speech to aipac. looked like he was shifting into second gear. the last two weeks have been colossal. we'll show you the republican numbers nationwide have gone to record lows. people are saying if you want to beat hillary, you've got to be -- come on, mike. they've got to stand up to this. >> the numbers right now for the brand for the gop are at the

level they were when i inherited the job in 2009. we're in that space where 69% of the american people do not like the republican brand. that's a major problem. >> and this is the easy part. getting chased around by reporters on capitol hill asking about these comments is much easier than throwing a giant party in cleveland that in theory celebrates something that none of these people seem to be able to get out of their mouth. >> the most amazing calming was john cornyn, the number two senate republican saying he'll not take a question on donald trump until after the election day. think about that. the second most important senate republican and you're talking about his nominee? >> donald trump speaking to a packed house of nearly 4,000 people at the fox theater in atlanta where he struck a defiant tone with his own party. >> the republicans, honestly folks, our leaders have to get tougher. this is too tough to do it

alone. but i think i'm going to be forced to. i think i'm going to be forced to. our leaders have to get a lot tougher. and be quiet. just please be quiet. don't talk. please be quiet. just be quiet, to the leaders, because they have to get tougher. they have to get sharper and smarter. we have to have our republicans either stick together or let me just do it by myself. i'm going to do very well, okay? i'm going to do very well. a lot of people thought i should do that anyway. but i'll just do it very nicely by myself. i think you'll have a very good result. i think we'll be very happy. >> so, mika, donald trump's message to paul ryan yesterday after as donald trump destroys the republican party's numbers, be quiet. don't talk. i think paul ryan, this is like you buying a lot of condos in 2007. you bought trump at the wrong time. should have listened to steve

schmidt and we told you when to buy trump. remember about a month and a half ago we said it's time to sell. it's time to sell the stock because he's -- telling the leadership to be quiet, don't talk while he is dragging everybody down into the mud. >> there is, there's always been a quiet of narcissism about trump. this is about me. this is a person who has been in his own reality television show now for 20 years. and it's hard for him to break out and be in the show with everybody else. the idea that he is now in effect the leader of the republican party is staggering. that's what's really sticking in the craw of people out there. >> the republican party, the leaders to shut up. and i think they probably don't mind doing that because they don't want to talk about donald trump. >> their house is going up in flames. >> so they have no one to

replace trump with. so no matter how you cut this pie, you still are stuck with donald trump walking out of the convention with the nomination. who, joe? mitt romney? paul ryan? >> no, but -- >> i don't think we're going to go there. >> in 1925, a separation of powers. they didn't have co-equal branches. the senate and the house. >> give me a name that's going to -- who is going to be the counterpunch to donald trump after a year? >> two names that need to stand up right now today with their entire group behind them, paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. they are the highest ranking republicans in america, and they need to stand up. they should have last week. trump would have gotten in line. they need to do it this week. trump's only getting worse. every day -- >> you think he'd get in line if they stood up? >> maybe you need to cut bait on the presidential election.

>> that's what i'm getting to. >> if you're advocating that, be the advocate that. >> he either needs to get in line or we're going to protect ourselves. this guy not only contributed to hillary clinton's last presidential campaign in 2008 as a democrat. he's contributing to this hillary clinton presidential campaign making certain that she will be elected president. >> i certainly think the clinton campaign certainly feels that way. it's hard to get them to say anything else at this point. >> it's true. >> you were talking about trump and leaders. but the first part of what he said there saying i'm just going to have to go this alone, it seems like that's what's going to happen. i think tells you a lot about the private conversations that are going on right now between trump and the republican national committee. he would not be out there saying something like that if there were not people in his ear saying you have to fix this or -- >> one of the more hilarious news stories is from politico

reporting about private frustrations -- >> private frustrations? >> listen to their advice. it's like, of course. did you even need to write this story? obviously trump is not going to be listening to reince priebus. >> not only listening to reince priebus. he's not listening to family members' advice, to his campaign's advice. they are all begging him to become disciplined. they are all begging him to get off of twitter. they are all begging him to stick with the message. he is not doing it. he is -- >> they're not strong enough forces. i have -- >> he listens to nobody. >> they really don't get what the problem is. so i -- >> they do. >> i don't think they're desperately trying to pull him back. >> that's not what i'm hearing. >> donald trump loves to read his poll numbers. that's like what he does in his speeches. he can read some of these. the bloomberg poll shows the republican party at an historic valley of favorability.

just 32%. that is the lowest number since the poll began in 2009. that would be a great schtick for his piece. meanwhile, wisconsin, hillary clinton leads donald trump by nine points among voters. down ballot senator ron johnson, the incumbent republican trails bine points as well to democrat russ feingold. >> we'll see that all across america. you talk about -- you talk about a leading indicator. look at that number senators. senators, republicans, kelly ayotte, rob portman, all across. >> if polls are what drives you, here you go. >> david ignatius, if i'm kelly ayotte, and he's been pushing this hard. she was one of the first to speak out. she's got to keep pushing and

get ron johnson and get a lot of other republicans that are out that would lose. including john mccain to say, enough is enough. >> i was with senator mccain on stage on tuesday night. and we talked about trump. and it was painful, to be honest. here's somebody who in so many ways stands against everything this nominee is now saying. but he's running in a very tough race. and you just saw him walking a line. talking about polls. "the washington post" has a new poll this morning that shows trump down 10 percentage points in one month up to 70% unfavorability. and the most interesting thing is if you look at the tabulations, he is hurting now with liberals and conservatives, he's hurt with white men without a college education which he's way down on that number right there. he's hurting with independents. all the people he thought would be part of his coalition -- >> i have to ask you about mccain. mccain strikes me if there were someone who could say i'm not going to be with this nominee,

it's john mccain. donald trump literally insulted his war service. he doesn't stand for any of the same values whether it's foreign policy, immigration reform, et cetera. so what is it that keeps john mccain, you know, tied to this anchor around his candidacy? >> two things. first, it's a deep anger that mccain feels toward barack obama. barack obama to mccain. mccain says if i'd been president thinking about syria, thinking about the disaster that flows out of syria, i would have done something about this. that makes it hard for him. the other thing is mccain is in a tough race. you don't repudiate the head of your ticket if you are in the race mccain is in in arizona. you can see that on his face. >> 32%. the approval rating flashed up for the republican party. 32%. republicans are minus 17 now against the democratic party. just in brand. the numbers are historically low. >> and combined with this idea

there are 55% of people in another recent poll that say that they could never vote for donald trump. >> including 65% of women. >> right. never. >> which you can't win a national election in america with your numbers stuck like that. the other thing in that poll, it shows a growing enthusiasm. democrats are getting more excited about voting in the fall, republicans less excited. it's down in the weeds but normally people registered to vote versus who show up, republicans usually have an advantage with likely voters because there are more democrats registered. that's just not the case here. >> if you're driving to work or in the car. republicans, 78%. minus 9 just in the past couple of months. they're bleeding support. >> i had a talk with business leaders in new york city. also on monday night. i've never met more people who are saying they may not vote. >> yeah. >> who voted in every election

all their lives. and who run companies and can't do it. >> if i'm the party, i'd say we want you to vote because we need you to vote for our senators, our governors. write a name in for president if that fills the bill. but this is the problem the party finds itself in with a national nominee that is losing traction with base voters, particularly white male voters which is a real problem. you have to shore up the rest of the down ballot. you have to make sure you protect that senate and house races that could be on the bubble as well. and that's the problem they face right now because they're not doing that. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i had experienced many wrenching stories in the town halls on the campaign trail. and there was a guy in particular that i met that really hit home for me. he seemed to be sort of losing control. he walked around depressed, not

really certain of what his future was and whether he was really in control of any events. and since i have left the campaign trail, i still think about him. i just want to say, hang in there, reince priebus. >> oh, my god. >> he may be out of the race, but john kasich has not lost his sense of humor. he has a good one. he sits down for an exclusive interview with joe next. first to bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> it's all about the heat and fires in the west. this heat wave is impressive over the next week. the fires have begun in the west. santa barbara county, a big one started and burns through the night. this is the county of santa barbara, not santa barbara. the smoke is moving quickly there. difficult for firefighters. the heat is going to build in that area. the monster heat dome over the middle of the country. typical of july or august. in the middle of june now. it's a little early for this.

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it's a tweet where donald trump retweets somebody that says get on board with donald trump or leave the gop. you made a pledge. stick to it. what do you think about that? you made a pledge. >> it's painful. it's painful. people even get divorces. sometimes things come about that -- look. i'm sorry this has happened. we'll see where it ends up. i'm not making any final decision. but at this point, i just can't do it. >> governor john kasich is poised to hit the campaign trail on behalf of republicans.

just not for the person at the top of the ticket. i sat down with the former presidential candidate in washington where we discussed the party's growing unease with donald trump. while kasich says he has no plan to challenge the presumptive nominee in cleveland, he admits there are a lot of people who wish he would. >> donald trump called me and said can you support me? i said we're like two companies. we have different values, different visions. hard to put that together. either there's going to be dramatic change or i can't find my way there. >> could you ever support a candidate that endorsed and actively promoted the banning of over a billion muslims worldwide from coming to the united states? >> that's why right now i'm not. >> that's a deal killer. >> yes. well, i mean, look. >> what about calling a guy from indiana a mexican judge. is that a deal killer? >> here's the thing. michael vick says one time we only have one chance to make a good second impression. unless it changes, i'm not going to be able to get there.

>> so the muslim ban -- >> bad. >> disqualifying? >> it's not just one thing, joe. i think -- >> i know, but it's got to be a number of things. my problem with what's going on on the bill -- >> it's getting bigger. >> you go in and suggest that iraqi american soldiers stole cash from iraq. >> or imply that maybe somehow the president is sympathetic to an act of terrorism. those are outrageous things. it's trending all the wrong way. >> how in the world does he turn that around? >> that's what i'm waiting to see. >> for you or republicans like me to support him. >> i don't know. we'll have to see. >> he's been told he needs to change. he's gone outright and said i'm not changing. there is going to be no pivot. i am who i am. >> yeah. well, we'll have to see. what i do think is important is that at least in my state, and i've got a united states senator

up for re-election. i'm going to do everything i can to help him. >> doesn't trump hurt portman? >> it depends if he continues on this path. it gets to be about turn out. a lot of people vote for the top of the ticket and come down. i'm going to do everything i can to make sure we hold on to the united states senate and house. >> how did trump happen? jeb announced a year ago today and -- >> the media gave him $2 billion worth of free press. i could be having a press conference and it would have an empty podium with trump speaking there. you guys have a lot of responsibility for this, too. you all know it. one guy, one famous network executive said trump may not be good for the country but he's good for our ratings, and we make more money. i think the eletites have let u down. $2 billion worth of free press you couldn't get enough of. >> was there ever a time, though, where you said you wanted to be on our show where we didn't let you --

>> i'm not talking about you, joe. of course not. you were great. >> the thing about trump was, though, he'd just pick up the phone and call. you could attack him, he'd pick up the phone and call. we had an offer out to everybody. pick up the phone. call us. trump knew how to play the press. >> look, joe, you guys covered hum from -- look. it was all ratings. who is kidding who? i call in, you get no ratings. he calls in you -- >> not true. >> you're not leveling with me. >> i am leveling. >> you know there was a -- was there not a fixation on him by the media, which is changing now. >> when the guy would say outrageous things -- >> you focused on it. >> he figure ed out how to say something that's outrageous. people would say he'd never recover from that. all the candidates would say, how dare. a poll would come out. he figured out, as lindsey

graham said, the guy figured out how to handle the press cycle in a week better than anybody else. >> here's the thing. look, there's two ways. i can walk into a town hall with 100 people and i could say everything is horrible and let me tell you why and who and who is responsible. or i can walk into that same town hall with the same 100 people and say there's hope. now hope doesn't sell as much as negative. negative initially sells. you know, when you knock something off the table, it's a lot easier to do that than it is to have a positive attitude. so i think, you know, it's just a matter of people doubling down on negatives. >> so what hope is there for our process? what hope is there for our political process? >> there has to be leaders willing to stand up and say no. and i'm trying -- look. i'm not playing for sainthood. i'm so far away from it. i'm the most flawed guy there is. but i'm going to do the best job i can at trying to be as good as

i can and be a good leader. >> has our republican establishment let americans down, let their own party down in a sense that they felt desperate to reach out for a guy like trump? >> i think it just kind of happened, and -- >> more celebrity than anything else? >> yeah, celebrity, 17 candidates, a lot of different things. but when you look at the democrat party, joe, did you ever think that bernie sanders would be filling stadiums? let's get real here. we can talk about trump. look at sanders. it's the same deal. it's the same deal. it's about they have because -- >> you don't have because somebody else took. you don't have good wages because the mexicans came in. you don't have this because the chinese. you don't have this because the rich people on wall street. it's the same messages from two differenten e ends up the spect. we've had more serious problems

before. we'll get through this. and by the way, it's like my mother. my mother used to say, johnny, your dad and i, we don't go to dinner. we don't drink. we don't smoke. yet the other people get the scholarships and we don't get anything. you know what she'd say? let's turn a page and move on n we'll take care of things as best we can. the can-do spirit. and that's what we need in america again. >> yesterday morning, mark halperin said that he believed there was a 25%, 30% chance that if trump kept moving in the direction he was moving that by the time we got to the republican convention in cleveland that there was going to be an uprising. might even be a rules change. ben ginsburg was talking about it, said that something big might happen because it's just unacceptable how trump, you look over the past week or two, how he's behaving. do you see that as being any possibility? >> i think it's very unlikely.

i won't be involved in it. i'm not out here to disrupt. i've got to have my say, but i don't even know what i'm going to be doing at the convention. i'm going to have some of my own events outside as to what i'm going to do there i'm not sure. >> raugaeagan, nixon, all ended being successful at running for president. they all started with a loss. they learned from the loss. what did you learn from 2016 that might help you if you decide to run again in '20. >> i was at a hockey game in pittsburgh and people were shouting, john kasich for president. there's some real buyer's remorse and some appreciation for the campaign i ran, but it's always easy when it's all over. my biggest problem was having the resources that i needed and probably getting started earlier, that kind of a thing. i don't know what i'm going to

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papers called the other day and said would you speak to the leader of north korea? i said absolutely. why not? why not? and they come out. trump would speak to him. who the hell cares? i'll speak to anybody. who knows? there's a 10% or 20% chance that i can talk them out of those damn nukes. i don't say it's going to happen, and probably it won't but there's nothing -- i wouldn't go there. that i can tell you. if he came here, i'd accept him, but i wouldn't give him a state dinner like we do for china and all these other people that rip us off where we give them these big state dinners. >> if you're keeping score at home, trump would speak to the leader of north korea but not "the washington post." >> banned. all right. joining uformer dod official and

the wmd foundation, now with olympic council, dr. evelyn marcus. and bureau chief for "time" magazine, michael. but first, i'm trying to design a question, evelyn. >> how do you unwind everything you've heard from donald trump, whether it's north korea or russia and nukes. >> i think he's out of his depth. you don't just say i'm going to talk. what's your agenda, platform, policies? he hasn't unveiled those. he says he's going to give nuclear weapons to north korea and a whole host of other countries. i don't think he's got a consistent agenda planned. you don't just say you'll talk to everyone and anyone. he's going to make friends on what basis? our interests are not aligned.

and this whole, you know, this hack thing, i don't know if we're going to talk about that. he's now trying to turn it around and blame americans rather than the russians which i think is rich. >> that i can -- david, let me just say donald trump, just to put that into perspective is accusing the democratic national committee of faking a breach of its systems by russian hackers. >> dnc was hacked, and some of the things they got was opposition research about you. have you heard from the dnc? have they apologized? have they told you anything about the security? do you know what was taken? have you heard from the chair debbie wasserman schultz? >> well, knowing her, i don't know her, but i sort of understand her, maybe they weren't hacked. maybe they just wanted to get it out there. no, i have not heard. they have not apologized. and they probably should be apologizing. >> trump made that claim hours before the website's gawker and

a smoking gun published documents they say they got from an alleged hacker. it included 200-plus page anti-double trump playbook by the dnc. the dnc confirmed its computer networks were breached by hackers working for the russian government but did not authenticate the documents. >> how do you unpack, whether it's about north korea, whether it's about russia, putin, how do you unpack all of this? >> donald trump just doesn't have a filter the way most people in public life do that leads him to think carefully about the consequences of what he's saying. there are very important reasons why north korea on the verge of having a nuclear weapon that could hit american territory is not a country you just go talk to without having achieved some gains in the negotiations. similarly, to take this story of the hacking of the dnc, and with absolutely no evidence to suggest it's a conspiracy involving the dnc or really more

sho shocking in the aftermath of the orlando shooting to insinuate the president of the yuss in some mysterious way he won't discuss is complicit in that, these are just startling things that a presidential candidate would say and they illustrate, i think, that he doesn't have a filter to screen what's appropriate and inappropriate. >> or intellect that can help him screen it well. it's a bad mix. michael you wrote this week's "time" magazine cover story. it takes a look at the mass shooting in orlando. and you look at the political fault lines that quickly emerged saying, quote, the terror this time did not unite. it tore. explain that. >> we as a country are pretty good at responding to these atrocities. we've had a lot of them in the last couple of decades and tend to unite. you think back september 11th. you remember the firefighters. you think back on charleston, you remember memorials. you don't remember the crazed gunman. in this situation, you had this

horrible event, but then you had the days after, a real breaking of that national unity. i think trump was a cause. he's also an effect. in the house, people walking out on a moment of silence. you had a memorial in orlando with 10,000 people, not one statewide republican came to it. a vigil because it was organized by a gay rights group. and i think what this speaks to is a greater danger that we're heading towards. democracies function on faith. we have to trust strangers and be able to unite. right now we have a presidential candidate who is very directly either claiming without evidence or insinuating without even saying what he's saying that there are lots of enemies among us. and i think we're headed to a more difficult time. >> isn't there a difference? after 9/11, yes, there was unity

but also a massive problematic sweeping bill to create a security state in response. after these gun tragedies, there's been very little legislative unity. the reason that people walked out on that moment of silence is because they said the moment of silence is being used as a convenient way to not make the tough decisions about legislating. so aren't these apples and oranges here? >> i think we're in agreement. i'm not disagreeing with that. i think the tensions here, especially the gun debate has been building. the orlando thing is not the only thing. but the point is in a moment of crisis, we cannot communicate with each other. and there was -- the patriot act was 99-1 or something like that? so and there was -- we had debate for years afterwards. we still have debates over surveillance and how far we should go. we weren't at the point of saying just because you have a koran in your pocket or come from this country you can't stand in our tsa line. there's a shift that's happened here. >> evelyn, talk about that shift that's happening and the impact

on u.s. foreign policy. >> so i think actually what's interesting is that trump actually said he's going to meet with the nra. that's not foreign policy but it's an important component, and we have these terrorism watch lists and trump is saying, maybe we should look at these lists and people who are on the terrorism watch list should not have guns. now in the case of this shooter, the orlando shooter, he was actually off the list. but three times he was interviewed, interrogated by the fbi. frankly speaking, three times should be enough to get you on a weapons watch list. why don't we have a weapons watch list. that's the nonforeign policy part of it. the watch list is there to keep terrorists out of our country, obviously. the other aspect of it is, all the stuff that we've said before over n over again, we need to deal with, work in the communities to deradicalize. that means dealing with muslim clerics, moderates, help identify in the community working with fbi and law enforcement who were the people who might be radicalized.

you know, there's overseas, obviously, getting at the safe havens whether it's isis, or syria, afghanistan or iraq. the messaging. we've talked about that also. state department and usaid have a role in all of this. a whole foreign policy multidimensional approach. >> one presidential campaign. dr. evelyn farcus and michael, we'll be looking for the new issue of "time" magazine. still ahead, the eighth grade graduation speech that could have only happened during this election cycle. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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let me start with the lunches. they are delicious! things like pizza and tacos and chips. and some of the best cinnamon rolls i've ever tasted. i do have one improvement for them, though. we need to make them free! >> this guy is so good. >> he's the greatest. >> time to talk about what we learned today. you were talking about the cleveland convention. it could be chaos. >> we talked today about donald trump republican crack-up. and i was thinking we were talking during a break about what could change that? just two things struck me. first, trump is obviously thinking about doing something on guns. and that makes him look like the guy defies political correctness on the right. and then you think, that convention could be violent. there could be people in the streets. chaotic. and trump will look like the

strong leader. that plays into his hands. so in a month, this could look different than it does now. >> chris murphy filibuster just to get a vote on gun reform. he succeeded. it's a little bit of a hurdle, but a hurdle cleared. >> i second what david ignatius said. i'm very worried as we look ahead. and you? >> republicans, stand up and be counted. steve kornacki picks up the coverage right now. and a good morning to you. i'm steve kornacki. we are 145 days now away from the election. topping our agenda right now, the filibuster is over. and democrats are claiming victory after holding the floor for almost 15 hours trying to force the senate to take action on guns. >> the failure of this body to do anything -- anything at all in the face of