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that's all we got for you tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. "with all due respect" starts two seconds late. i'm alex wagner. >> with "with all due respect" to abc, cbs, fox news and bloomberg tv, if you're laughing at the idea of trump tv, do you really think he can compete with this. ♪ ♪ some people got to have it ♪ some people really need it ♪ listen to me y'all
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♪ do thangs with it >> a very special anniversary episodes of this very real reality show. donald j. trump, billionaire and candidate turns 1-year-old. they grow up so fast. seemed like yesterday he was riding his guilded escalator right into the 2016 race. 365 days later the tension between trump and his party is only growing more intense. every day seems to bring fresh voices of republican dissention. he said he will vote for hillary clinton. trump made clear in his atlanta speech he's willing to travel it will lonely road. he told gop leaders to be quiet in in a weekly capitol hill press conference paul ryan gave no indication he will hold his tongue and left the door ajar when he asked if he would
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rescind his endorsement of trump. >> i don't have a plan to do that. we'll agree to disagree on some things. that's the way things work. mitt romney and i didn't agree on everything. he's a different kind of candidate. i'm going to be myself and speak up in defense of our principles. >> john kasich, the governor of the state, said in an interview with morning joe that he might never back his party's pres presumptive nominee despite the pledge he took. >> people even get divorces. sometimes things come about that -- look, i'm sorry. this has happened. we'll see where it ends up. i'm not making any final decision, but at this point, i just can't do it. >> be absolutely wonderful and spectacular, alex wagner is here with me instead of mark
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halperin. the relationship between donald trump and his party, this kind of uneasy thing that's going on, it feels like something has got to give. john kasich used the word divorce now. is it conceivable there could be a formal divorce between donald trump and the republican party. what would it look like? >> i would argue there isn't a marriage. i feel like we have had a prolonged dating and a prenup but there's not been a marriage which would likely take place in cleveland this summer. i don't think there will be a formal divorce. the closest you'll see the republican party to disavowing trump is saying i can't do this now and hoping people don't ask them the question again. paul ryan, left the door slightly ajar. i believe that's the definition of leaving the door open.
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>> here's what i think about this. i think it's entirely possible that paul ryan will rescind his endorsement. i think it's no question he's very purposeful today. i think that's what the divorce would look like. the divorce would start with paul ryan announcing, i'm sorry, i thought we could be with him. i can no longer be with him. i think that date would come if we continue to see donald trump's poll numbers fall. right now the reason the party is with him to the extent it's with him because their view is trump not a nominee we love but for our purpose, senate and house, for our purposes, sticking with him makes more sense. it will be more damage if we left him than stayed with him. if it's clear there's more damage with staying with him, i think they could leave him. >> i think this is all about which way the wind is blowing. if it's strong enough to take down down ballot races then you'll see departures.
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>> let's move on to the next topic as it pertains to marriage and divorce. assuming they decide to stay together, what does that practically look like? how do you make it work as you will in the next six months? >> i think it looks like a lot of what it looks like now is a lot of discomfort. i do feel like something that to give. it's hard to imagine six months of trump saying, he made it clear he doesn't care what anybody says. >> who gives what? >> it seemed implausible you could have six months of republican leaders never siding with him, never defending him and criticizing him. can that really go on for six months. i guess it could. >> if you look at where -- if we're going with this sort of marriage metaphor, if they're in
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counselling, the party that's been giving and most elastic through all of this has been the establishment. >> or craven. >> what and when does donald trump give? >> to me, yesterday was a really important moment in the campaign. donald trump standing up and saying they may not be with me. i don't care. they should just quiet down. i'm going to do what i'm going to do. it's about a clear a state you could have that he has no intention of moderating his tone, modifying his behavior. i don't think he's going to do it. that's why i think, there's, it's so hard to imagine the dump trump movement dumping him at this convention in cleveland. so hard to imagine. there's more talk about it now among senior republicans than for a long time. this discussion has wax and waned. there's a lot of discussion about what it would take.
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>> the thing we have learned in the last year is if he has a day long plan. this is man and the emotional tenor of his imagination. >> it's very clear triump is no listening. yeah, it's hard. priebus will be the last hold out. i keep going back to paul ryan and mitch mcconnell who has been scolding trump. i think it's not impossible, if things get really bad in next three weeks you'll see people saying just can't do this. >> reince priebus is going to
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dallas with trump and saying all is well here. >> he says there's no tension. nothing to see here. how much do we believe that? >> how much is the prenup worth? >> not very much. hillary clinton released her first wave of general election ads. we'll talk about what's in them after these words from our sponsors. machine ey ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support. there's fiber supoyable way to get your fiber. there's fiber supplement that helps support regularity, and includes b vitamins to help convert food to energy. mmm, these are good! nice work phillips'. the tasty side of fiber, from phillips.
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. president obama and vice president biden went to orlando to pay respects to families of the victims of the shooting. obama made a pitch for more gun restrictions and honored the lives lost. >> we can't anticipate or catch every single deranged person that may wish to do harm.
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we can do something about the amount of damage that they do. >> back in washington, the fight over gun control continues after a 15-hour filibuster democrats staged on the senate floor seems to work. republicans will likely vote on a bill on monday. over the past 24 hour, some republicans in touch re-election fights, have indicated a willingness to compromise. given the fact that democrats are in this unusual circumstance. we have a nominee, a presumptive nominee who is clearly going to make gun control a big part of her campaign in the presidential election in way that no nominee has in a long time. what do you think what we have seen from her and how things are shifting around this week, what do you think this portends for down ballot races, senate races,
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what effect might it have? >> i think we have seen an enormous amount of concerted coordination between the upper levels of democratic party and foot soldiers on trump. i think you'll see the same thing happen on guns. as much as we say this is a story that keeps happening, this moment feels particularly different. not just because of 2016 but because the sense of broad american frustration around the issue of gun safety reform. to answer your question, this is always been a sort of political issue, but it will be very much a campaign issue in a coordinated fashion through the end of the year. >> one of the things that's change here. hillary clinton has detected that that she thinks that gun control is a winning issue for her. that's a big change. the other thing that's really changed and orlando changed in a very special way, which is that
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now the question of gun control is now linked to terrorism in a way it's never been before. you started with san bernardino but this is a new thing. one doesn't ever like to talk about who wins or loses from these horrible atrocities. in this case, if you're for gun control, being able to have the extra argument which is if you're against gun control, you're on the side of the terrorists, that becomes another card that can be played. i think a lot of those senators start to make the argument and put them in a difficult position. >> the other issue it conflates
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is gay rights. they are fired up about this issue. it adds a third triangulated dynamic to this. >> we have all become, for with good reason, have become skeptical to the point of cynic cynical. there was so much concerted action, and yet nothing happened. i do think this is a different moment and it's different because the scale of the atrocity is so great. greatst mass shooting in american history. there's this other element where there's this jujitsu thing that
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democrats can do and especially a clinton campaign on this and especially the composition of the senate, maybe the house change, we could finally be there where some modest gun control could happen. probably not next week or the week after but maybe a year from now. >> speaking of hillary clinton, she rolled out her first tv ad blitz. spots going up in eight key states. both adds are part of $7 million buy over the next six weeks. they focus on clinton's biograp biography. here is one that takes a look at at her tenure as first lady. >> it's always been about kids. when millions couldn't get health care, she worked with republicans and democrats to fix it. creating the children's health insurance program. >> so every child gets the health care that child deserves
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to have. >> now, eight many kids are covered. that's the kind of leader she is. >> here is an ad about her recent international work. >> the secretary of state, she stood up for american values around the world. working to end the trafficking of women and girls. through the years there's been challenges, setback, but for hillary, one thing has never changed, helping children has been cause of her life. >> clinton has spent the last couple of weeks going after trump arguing he's unfit to be commander in chief and his presidency would be dangerous to the nation's security. her campaign spending some serious cash on a softer message.
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>> if she is make this a referendum on donald trump, she wins. it have not enough when president obama did the same thing to mitt romney four years ago. she's got to provide a palatable at te alternative. she has high negatives. northea she's not a popular person in the country. she needs to push the positives up. >> when i saw it, i felt like it was a targeted message to women. i thought even moderate women. i think she thinks she can make huge end roads with republican women given the tenor of the trump campaign. >> i think that's entirely true.
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the other thing that's true is donald trump's negatives are so high. it's hard to imagine them being much higher than they are. when your unfavorables are at 70% and you're in the trouble he's in, the reason you do negative ads is to drive up unfavorabl unfavorables. there's almost at the theoretical limit. there's 30% of hard core republicans that will vote for trump no matter what. you will try to push up the negatives when people know they don't like him. >> it's done. >> at least it's done for now. >> there's in concerted ad buy and it's a message you would never see from the trump campaign. it's hard to imagine the trump campaign releasing an analog ad.
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>> iowa a million. under a million but still big numbers in colorado, new hampshire. 7.3 million in total. you know how much that's matched by on the trump campaign. zero. this is part of what's going on here. this disparity, him not being in the battleground states could come back to haunt him by tend of this election. coming up, we'll have more of the president's trip to orlando. we'll talk to bernie sanders campaign manager. we'll be right back. like claim free rewards... or safdriving bonus checks. even alaim satisfactnds... guaranteeeeeeeeeee! in means protection plus unique extras only from an expert allstate agent. 's good to be in, good hands.
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if we want to show the best of our humanity, then we're all going to have to work together and every level of government across political lines to do more to stop killers who want to terrorize us. >> welcome back. that was more from president obama's remarks today from orlando where he met with the families of the victims of sunday's shootings. we've seen anymore this setting so many times now.
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he has to do this again and again, what kind of psychic toll that takes on a president? >> this president has had the hardest day of his presidency was the day he had to meet with families of the newton shooting. he admitted there were a lot of hard days in his presidency. these are the most trying times for this president going into the room as he always does to meet with the families and talk to them about their dead children, which is not a task any president would have to do. the sheer number of times he's had to do it is tragic in and of itself. i think, john, this moment is probably different insofar, he's looking at the rest of his presidency that nothing real is likely to happen and that's cause for not just frustration but probably some small measure of anger. >> you think about, when mark
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and i wrote double down, we wrote about this moment as he was getting ready to run for re-election in 2012 and talking to his senior aides and he felt bad, issues he had not done enough on in his first term. climate change where he got the climate deal done and same-sex marriage. not only has this been frustrating for him and he'll look back on this is the one issue where he's still self-reproachable. he didn't really campaign on in
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2008 or try to do anything about this the first four years. that's changed after sandy hook. it's still something he will regret. >> you talk about the remorse and sadness kneels, there's the issue but the dynamic of parents who lost their children. there was more of emotional contact between the president and vice president and understandably so given the fact that joe biden has lost his own son. >> let's go to chris jansen. give us a sense of what this day has been like. we don't have a lot of time with you, but give us a sense of what it's like on the ground. >> one of the things the president said today and he spoke for 17 minutes after a meeting with the family, he said their grief is beyond description. he talked about the father of an 18-year-old girl who talked
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about how happy she was and a bright future she had. you can just imagine biden, with the loss of his son. very quick lly talking about wh this has meant, he said we are all party. we're part of the american family, we're all part of this family. you have them in situation where clearly, as you pointed out, he's been frustrated especially in the aftermath of newton. we saw him very motiemotional. we saw him emotional a couple of days ago. now they are back in the fore front in the middle of a hotly contested political season. he's got six months left. he also has high approval ratings. he sounded not just frustrated but determined as we have heard
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him before. clearly, walking that line of political leader today. >> chris, let me ask you this, we have about 20 seconds. does the white house think there's any chance that anything can move on capitol hill on this issue or are they actually resigned as alex suggested? >> reporter: i think when you talk to them in their honest moment, they don't give it a whole lot of chance. you hope at some point there's a cumulative effect of people saying enough. i think if there's any hope they feel like it's got to happen quickly. >> thank you. coming up, we have bernie sanders campaign manager. we'll be right back with that. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future, we're here for you we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped families just like yours with wills and living trusts.
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tonight, bernie sanders is delivering an online address to millions of supporters. it's a speech he's dubbing the political revolution continues. joining us from burlington, vermont is one of the grand marshals of his march, jeff weaver. it's great to be with you. great to have you. how's it's going? >> thank you. >> you doing well? >> things are going great. >> fabulous. could you give us a preview of what sanders might say other than the political revolution continues. >> i think it's a continuation of what happened on sunday when he met with some of his more prominent supporters and surrogates. talks about how we move a progressive agenda forward and how we transform america. his presidential campaign is and always has been really about how we transform america and not really about him. i started working with him 30 years ago this month and he was saying the same thing then he says now, and he'll be saying
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it, god willing, 30 years from now. how we move forward now to create the kind of progressive change we need is really the challenge. that's what he's going to be talking about tonight. >> are there tangible steps he'll lay out? >> this will be an opg for him to talk to the millions and millions of people who voted for him, directly unfiltered. i think it will be a positive and uplifti ining speech. >> jeff, alex wagner here, can you tell us more about the meeting between senator sanders and hillary clinton and whether anything transpired in that meeting that might move senator sanders closer toward endorsing hillary clinton? >> i think it was a very positive meeting. it was very cordial. the two of them know each other. they serve together in the senate. there was a lot of substance and
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substantive policy issues. they are both kind of wonkish. they talk about the issues where they are close and some of the issues where they are not close. it focused on substantive policy than process issues. there was talk about reforming the electoral process. reforming the democratic party and making it more inclusive and broadenening its base. >> jeff, one of the things you have been saying and senator sanders has been saying pretty consistently in the days since voting stopped in the democratic nomination fight has been that you're going to continue the campaign on to the convention. just tell me what does that mean? >> there's a progressive agenda he laid out. the needs have not changed because the voting stopped. his life work has been to advance the agenda items dealing with income inequality and dealing with corrupt campaign finance system.
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getting health care to everybody and making the country a more fair and equitiable place. >>-a lot of vagueness in continuing my campaign until the convention. does he still believe he's trying to win the democratic nomination? >> at the convention we'll have a unified party coming out of it. there will be a discussion of a lot of substantive issues. i think this is a journey for those issues to be aired and for the rank and file and democratic party to address those issues. >> jeff, his campaign was to win the democratic nomination. is he still campaigning to win the democrat nomination or not? >> he still is candidate for the democrat nomination. >> is the campaign making calls
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to super delegates? >> we're not currently lobbying super delegates. >> will you start? >> i don't anticipate that will start any time soon. >> is debbie wasserman schultz going to remain head of the democratic national committee? >> you saw the announcement there's a new chief of staff who will be taking over day-to-day operations. there's a positive step forward. at least led to more division of the party. really not in a position to offer the leadership we need. >> is that a yes or a no? >> i don't know whether she will
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remain on as a head or not. >> are you trying to say the move today, means that debbie wasserman schultz is no longer the chairwoman? >> i just read the news coverage. it said day-to-day operations are being turned over to somebody else. >> you have said in the past that one of the conditions for senator sanders ultimately endorsing secretary clinton is that debbie wasserman schultz be removed? >> he's advocated for her removal. >> is that part of -- the precursor question. is her removal part of what he wants in order to come around to supporting secretary clinton? yes or no? >> i wouldn't draw the connection so directly. he articulated the other day in his press conference. first item he talked about was the chairwoman's leadership and the fact that in order to bring this party together, we need leadership at the dnc that can
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y y unite the party. >> you don't mind if she stays on? >> we would prefer she be removed or step down. that's the best course for the party. i find it hard to believe that at the convention there won't be hundreds or a couple thousand people booing when she comes on stage despite our effort to make sure that doesn't happen. >> is the removal of debbie wasserman schultz more or less important than the super delegates of the like? >> they're all important. it needs to be opened up and have a grass roots focus.
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she's not really the person to do that. >> let me put it to you this way. there's a variety of thing yos guys are for. there's things on policy. there's things in the platform. there's process reforms, including same day registration, open primaries and super delegates. are all of those, if i describe all those things to you, was it fair to say those were all things you were trying to negotiate with the clinton campaign as some kind of a package that would lead senator sanders to endorse secretary clinton. is that a fair characterization of what's going on? >> i think it's fair characterization to say those issues are all under discussion both at the staff level and among the candidates, the principals. we are discussing those issues.
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if secretary clinton gives on those issues and you find a set of concessions that will lead to senator sanders endorsing secretary clinton before the convention. is that true or false? >> i wouldn't say they're concessions. i would say that almost 12 million people voted for bernie sanders. he won 23 contests. there's a huge part of the democratic base that supported his agenerjegenda and the refor wants to enact. i think it's best for the party if the clinton campaign acknowledges that reality and reaches out to those voters with tangible, concrete changes that will let those people know. >> if you can reach a package of changes, some of which she will agree to, you must have x, y or z. if you reach an agreement on
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some set of changes taking place, the result will be senator sanders before the convention, yes or no? >> i would say that the party will be unified. senator sanders said he will support the democratic nominee. i think that after a period of conversation, both with the clinton campaign and our supporters, we would like to get to a place where we could very actively support the nominee. >> right. that nominee is secretary clinton in this case. you're not trying to switch super delegates votes. you're saying secretary clinton is the presumptive nominee and trying to get to the point where you can be behind her? >> certainly she's been called the presumptive nominee by the media, that's for sure. >> i'm asking you, jeff. are you willing to accept that? >> i know you are. >> you're saying he's not actively campaigning to be the democratic nominee. you're no longer doing the things required to make him the
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nominee and having a set of negotiations over things that you would like her to do that are kind of saying a price for his support. is there anything i've said now that's untrue? >> i think it speaks for itself, john. >> has the clinton campaign -- how would you characterize the relationship between the two campaigns at this point? >> i think the relationship is very good. staff contacts have been frequent and friendly. i think we're really digging down into the weeds on a number of issues. the meeting toward the senator and secretary was very good. i think people working together because they understand we need to defeat donald trump in the fall. that's an imperative. >> thank you for coming on. thank you for making a little bit of news. >> i don't think i made any news. i never make news. >> that's all you every do is make news. you also look remarkably healthy up there. i don't know if that's tan or lighting. >> no make up, nothing.
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>> fantastic. >> wow. >> jeff weaver, looking good. >> i'll have what he's having. >> next up, we have alex cohn. they'll join us to talk about donald trump and a lot of other stuff . machine bob... you're a young farmhand and e*trade is your cow. milk it. e*trade is all about seizing opportunity. sign up at etrade.com and get up to six hundred dollars. every ingredient is the main ingredient. the strawberry poppyed... romaine, mandarin, pineapple, blueberry, strawber, strawberry... strawberry... salad with chicken. at panera. food as it should be. customer service!d. ma'am. this isn't a computer... wait. you're real? with discover card, you can talk to a real person in the u.s., like me, anytime.
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. it's great to see you two. alex has been waiting to see you all day long. >> i needed another alex as back up. >> very excited about that. >> we talked about paul ryan on the show. i think the speaker today was leaving the door wide open. >> they're being reserved in how they express their enthusiasm opini. i'm telling you about how restrained you're hearing more and more republican leaders. >> do you think there's live option for him. >> not now.
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>> possibly. >> i take him at his word. it's not something i plan to do or intend to do. i don't think it's something he's contemplating doing. i think he's going through what a lot of republican leaders are going through is they have endorsed trump. they're planning to stick with trump. they're concerned about his campaign and the down ballot collateral damage. >> are they concerned about the damage a trump endorsement might wreak on their own fortune. at a certain point does he make a personal calculation. >> on this particular point in terms of how to think about trump, i've talked to him quite a bit. his view is, again, i'm very critical of trump. i'm very much out there. what i say is not reflective of what he thinks. one of the big factors is he has ploo believed if house republicans are divided, it will do more
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damage than the war over trump. >> alex, let me ask you this. do you think republicans have reached the conclusion, i've heard you on this show saying trump needs to change. he needs to be more presidential. have you given that up now? a lot of republicans seem to hear trump and say, that's a lost cause. he's going to be who he's going to be. >> losing hope is probably the right way to look at it. he needs to create campaign around him. he needs to have a message and have surrogates that echo his message. he's been the presumptive nominee for over six weeks. it's troubling we haven't taken those affirmative steps putting toward the campaign he needs to put together. the trajectory in the polls is very troubling. if i'm donald trump, i'm worried about it. trump needs to build campaign and get on message, one might as
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well say trump needs to sprout wings and do several other things that will never naturally happen given this man's trajectory thus far. what reason is there to hold out hope he will make these reforms in a timely fashion. >> he wants to win. they are doing the work. i had one or two staffers last summer in the campaign, on the rubio campaign and we were struggling with the amount of income. i can only imagine what trump's communicators are dealing with on day-to-day. >> no campaign organization, no money. no communication with the rnc. continuing to say inflammatory things. i mean, this guy's got one speed. you've seen a version of what you're seeing now and everything
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he's done in this election and every part of his career, the way he communicates, he's got one speed. the idea he will look and behave presidential, i think is wishful thinking. >> you're out front, never trump. hashtag, never trump. you're also pretty much out front hashtag, dump trump. you're doing some work to stop donald trump from being the nominee of the party, correct? >> i would say there's a number of people drain storming whether or not we can capitalize. doi feel we're in a bit of a point. there's genuine concern among a lot of republicans. it's directly correlated with trump's collapsing poll numbers. i think there's a correlation between tolerance for the insane things trump does and the insane way he behaves and good poll
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numbers. the moment the poll numbers drop, tolerance goes down. there's discussions about whether he could be dislodged at the convention and whether or not it will get together between now and the next couple of weeks. >> i would say these things reach a tipping point at which point the way we look at changes. everything changes overnight. it's going to happen very quickly. it will be a moment where the support for him collapses and the political universe is different. six weeks from here to cleveland is a long time in presidential politics and a lot can change. >> you look at the numbers and general american approval for each party and republican numbers are not where the party wants it to be. are there conversations
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happening in republican circles about november and what happens after november to the party if trump -- >> i think people are focused on november. in 1992, one of the people running for president he was a self-funded billionaire. at this point he looked very viable. six weeks later he dropped out o of the race. i'm saying a lot can happen between now and the convention and more will happen between the convention and november. we take it one day at a time. the onus is on trump to prove he can put together campaign that is competitive this fall. we have not seen that yet. >> we have to go. i'm going to say what donald trump would say to both you have which is be quiet, republicans. >> you're dissing our never trump effort. >> i made an accurate account. >> it's not over. >> thank you all. we have donald trump, the man of many words, maybe just one.
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today is a huge milestone moment of the political world. exactly one year ago today, donald j. trump descended an escalator to announce his presidential campaign. between then and now he's said a lot of things. we've decided to take a look at his huge unpredictable career one word at a time. ♪ mexico, the raping, 202. make it. beautiful. the ratings. devices. deportation. molester. remember.
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muslims. racist, poll, china, chris. rubio. a wall. punishment. retweet. crooked, crazy p loser. judge. congratulations. radical. big league. >> so now, alex, i have a question for you. what's your one word response to that piece? >> you're putting me on the spot to answer that. that was already too many words. i would echo trump and say huge. that was a massive work of video art right there. >> it's epic. >> he's forever changed american politics. in many ways rhetorically especially. >> so, so few of those words i ever heard i would uttered. very few of them i ever thought i would hear uttered in a
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big thank you to alex wagner. always a pleasure to have you. >> always a pleasure to be here. >> for all of your 2016 updates, until tomorrow we have this to say. >> namaste. >> hardball with chris matthews is next. trump alone. let's play hardball. good evening. the man who will be the republican nominee for president of this country stands on a mountain high up there and

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