pennsylvania, a very strange discovery as authorities find 12 girls and have them in protective custody. they are believed to have been living in dang were a 51-year-old man. nbc's morgan radford is outside the home where the girls were found in pennsylvania. good morning to you. let's get the latest on this investigation. where does it stand? >> reporter: alex, a lot of questions this morning. this investigation could take several days. this is based on what police say happened inside this house right behind me and left three adults arrested and 12 children in police custody this morning. acting on a tip, police came upon a disturbing scene. 12 girls ranging in age from 6 months to 18 years old, living secretly inside the home of a 51-year-old man. lee kaplan has been arrested and charged with sexual assault suspected of factering two children with one of the girls. >> this child gave birth to other children through an

inappropriate relationship. >> reporter: police are also investigating an allegation that the parents of the young mother, now 18, sold her to kaplan when she was just 14. authorities are still trying to identify the other children. >> as far as i know, we haven't been able to locate birth certificates or any paperwork for these kids yet. >> reporter: neighbors in feasterville, uft 20 miles north of philadelphia grew suspicious of the boarded windows and the girls' biv har your. >> multiple times i've seen these girls dressed mostly in amish children, often afraid. >> growing tall weeds. i see children in the driveway. i'm like, there's something not right. they're never at the school bus. >> reporter: neighbor jen betts felt she had to call authorities. the 18-year-old parents, also in custody, are believed to have been members of the amish community and face child endangerment charges.

police reached out to sources with knowledge of the amish community for help in the case. authorities don't know how long the girls were living in kaplan's house and are holding all three adults on $1 million bail. alex, neighbors say the girls' behavior was meek and skittish and would run away from the door. so far kaplan has been charged with three counts of assault as well as unlawful contact with and corruption of a minor. police are still investigating and looking for any answers why this happened, when and for how long, alex. >> that last point is what i'm most curious about. was there any indication, these neighbors with whom you spoke, how long they observed this weird behavior? was it years? was it months? is there any timeline there? >> reporter: that's a great question. that's what we're piecing together. that's also what police are piecing together. the neighbors say they just couldn't really prove it. they knew something was up. one neighbor said it was just her mother's intuition. again, they didn't have proof

with which to go to authorities. >> morgan radford, thank you so much. let's turn now to the terror in orlando where new documents provided to nbc news says suspect omar mateen spoke to a fellow recruited in a florida department of corrections training program about bringing a gun to class. the warden of the martin correctional institution called this inquiry, quote, extremely disturbing. nbc's sarah dallof is just outside the pulse nightclub. what are authorities saying about this new development? >> reporter: it's giving more insight into the motive and the movements of the man in this case. documents reveal that omar mateen asked a colleague that, if he was to bring a gun to class, would the colleague tell on him? that comment and the fact that mateen fell asleep twice in class and once at that time gun range led to the recommendation he be dismissed from the program. meanwhile, his wife continues to be treated as a witness in this

case. according to sources close to her, she has handed over an ipad, cell phones and laptops to authorities. a family member further tells nbc news that she was beaten and battered. however, she did not tell authorities that she was abused. meanwhile, funerals for the 49 people killed continue today. some remains being returned to puerto rico to be laid to rest. others here locally in orlando. the greenwood cemetery has donated a special area for victims should their families choose to bury them there. meanwhile, 23 of the injured still remain in the hospital, and alex, six of those people we're told are in critical condition. back to you. >> a long week. sarah dallof, thank you for that. now to political headlines and growing tensions between donald trump and the gop. house speaker paul ryan has no plans to unendorse trump. but in an interview that will air on "meet the press" tomorrow, he's taking the pressure off of fellow republicans to vote for the presumptive nominee.

>> the last thing i would do is tell anybody to do something that's contrary to their conscience. of course i wouldn't do that. believe me, chuck, i get this, this is a strange situation, a unique nominee. i feel as a responsibility institutionally as the speaker of the house, that i should not be leaving a chasm in the middle of our party that. will definitely knock us out of the white house. >> the comments come amid a report from "the washington post" which suggests dozens of gop delegates are exploring new ways to stop presumptive nominee donald trump. this comes exactly one month before the start of the republican convention. meanwhile donald trump is ramping up his rhetoric against president obama for his response to the orlando terrack and vowing to fight for gun rights if he's elected. here is what he told supporters at a rally outside houston last night. >> it's a radicalization, it's a hatred, a hatred, a deep-seeded

hatred, and president obama is trying to make terrorism into guns, and it's not guns folks. it is not guns. it is not guns. this is terrorism. you put me in there, we or going to save the second amendment, save your guns. they're not going to take away your bullets, they're not going to shorten up your magazines. they're not going to do anything. we're going to preserve it, going to cherish it. that's not what we have to do. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders have no scheduled events today. let's bring in nbc's hallie jackson with more on mr. trump's response to the orlando shooting. he really got that crowd riled up. what all did he say? >> reporter: i will tell you this, alex, the crowd had already come into this arena, into this area ready to be fired up. there were long lines of people waiting outside even after the event began.

my colleague jacob rascon has been to so many rallies over the last few months said he's never seen so many people trying to get in. the crowd was ready to respond. when trump started talking about terrorism, talking about the second amendment like you heard, it was certainly something that seemed to resonate with the folks in the audience. i want you to listen to what trump had to say about the orlando shooting. what would have happened had more people been armed in that nightclub and then the crowd's reaction. listen. >> this son of a [ bleep ] comes out and starts shooting. one of the people in that room happened to have it and goes boom, boom. you know what? that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight. >> reporter: this is the kind of language his supporters have been responding to in texas. obviously a very deep red state, a stet that is going to most likely go republican, almost certainly, come november, alex. the question becomes why is trump spending so much time there, spending a couple days there before heading to nevada.

it's not just to spend time there. it's to try to get donors to spend money. he's going there for fund-raisers with sources familiar with the fund-raising events. he raised about $8 million in that texas swing, trying to catch up with that hillary clinton cash machine. >> halle has been there any reaction over this renewed movement to stop him? >> reaction from donald trump himself, alex. we spoke last night by phone late in the evening just before his rally there outside houston. trump said to me it's not going to happen. he's unconcerned any convention coup will have any type of impact. when you talk with republican strategists, even those who want to stop trump acknowledge it is a long shot. it is very unlikely. i spoke with one republican operative who said, listen, this is an unprecedented moment. it would be unprecedented for something like this to be successful. there are also question marks about how many of these delegates on a rules committee

would be able to actually, in effect, create the change they're hoping to create given some of the delegates are still committed to donald trump. so they're probably going to try. the sense that i'm getting is it's simply not going to work. >> okay. again, with just one month left to go. hallie from las vegas, thank you so much. new today, disney world is adding additional warning signs as workers begin fencing off the waterfront where a 2-year-old boy was grabbed and drown at the theme park on tuesday. a disney world statement reads, we are installing signage and temporary barriers at our resort beach locations and working on permanent long-term solutions. we continue to evaluate proce processes and procedures. z part of this, we're reenforcing trainings for our cast for reporting sightings of wildlife and expanding communication to guests on this topic. let's bring in ron mcgale from the miami metro zoo. ron, good morning to you. first question, alligators here,

is it possible to make sure that not one alligator can enter an interconnected body of fresh water in central or south florida? >> it's pretty difficult. impossible is a big word. it's very, very difficult. they talk about putting fencing around. alligators can climb chain link fencing pretty effectively. alligators use those waterways as a freeway system. it will be difficult to ensure no alligator is getting into any fresh water body. >> this is a man made lake. wouldn't you think it would be self-contained? >> it would, but understand that alligators climb over land and go long distances. we just got out of the breezing season. male also go from one body or another, i've seen them hit on major expressways in miami. these animals, they're not just contained to water. they can walk great distances. people find them in their swimming pools, back yards, ponds, golf courses. there are over a million

alligators in the state of florida. they're all over the place. >> so how can you control their population, specifically in resort areas? >> well, they're going to have to be very vigilant. they can drain a lake, take every alligator out, fill it with water and in two days another alligator can be in there crawling from another waterway. it's very difficult to guarantee short of building a huge wall. you can go on youtube and you can watch alligators climb over chain link fencing like a cat. >> what do you guys do at the miami metro zoo. >> we can't guarantee it. we have found alligators in lake. we do have a huge moat that goes around the entire area. so they'd have to fall into a moat and climb out of the moat which is pretty difficult. even then we have little bridges over the moat. if they find a bridge to go over the moat, they can go that way. emergency vehicles have to get on grounds. anywhere a person can go, a

vehicle can go, an alligator can go. >> "the washington post" has estimated there are 1.3 million alligators in florida. most people who live in florida they're aware of the risks. but what about tourists. were you surprised the no swimming signs at the disney resort weren't more explicit, that there wasn't actually "no swimming, there are alligators in the area?" >> i'm not really surprised. i think disney was trying to make people say don't go swimming, but they didn't want to scare people away because you hear alligators and that might become overly frightening. we're tending to veil pilify ak alligators. these animals are not the malicious monsters that people make them out to be. i senives in florida that see an alligator and they're taking selfies. people aren't thinking. it seems like common sense aren't too common. >> are there requirements, laws

within the state that you have to post alligator warning signs around bodies of water? >> i don't know if there's a law about that. i would tell everybody, including people that live there, you have to assume any fresh water body that an alligator can be there, regardless of where it can be. it can be a swimming pool and they can get in there. >> ron, before i let you go, i want to ask you this story out of colorado, a mountain lion attacked a 5-year-old boy. he's in fair condition, we're glad to report that. the situation here, wildlife moving into human areas or is it humans are encroaching on the animals' habitat? >> there you have it. population increasing, people moving into different areas. people think you have to have this pristine forest for the animals to live. i'm in southern california, there's a famous mountain lion that is up by the hollywood sign. they have a photograph of it walking by the hollywood sign, went into the los angeles zoo and killed a koala.

wildlife will interact with us more and more. if we respect it, we'll never be hurt by it. >> are mountain lions inclined to attack people? >> no, they're really not. there's always that exception. what happens is you had a horrible story like this of the little boy getting attacked. it's going to get a lot of media attention. i hate to draw a parallel. there's a plane crash, oh, my gosh, i'm afraid to fly a plane when you don't realize how many millions of people fly safely every day. be aware, keep yourself aware of your surroundings. if you're careful that way, you're most likely not going to get in trouble. >> good advice. ron magill, thanks, good to see you. lingering questions from the orlando nightclub massacre. one centers on the three-hour wait before the s.w.a.t. team assault. why three hours? that's next. r new cocktail bitts were doing well, but after one tradeshow, we took off.

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on monday while orlando was deep into the work of identifying the victims of the pulse shooting, up the doeft in washington, d.c. the house of representatives gathered for a moment of silence but it didn't go exactly as planned with a number of congressmen simply walking out. >> silence, that is how the leadership of the most powerful country in the world will respond to this week's massacre of its citizens, silence. not me, not anymore. i will no longer stand here absorbing the full concern, contrived gravity and tell pid smugness of a house complicit in the weekly bloodshed. sooner or later the country will hold us accountable for our inaction. as you vow your head and think of what you say to your god, when you are asked what you did to slow the slaughter of innocence, there will be

silence. >> let's bring in the congressman behind that protest, representative jim himes of connecticut. can i say as a parent and news anchor who has had to talk about these things so many time, bravo about what you said there. i'm curious about the timing. i know there were five times last year you had a moment of silence in the house, some ten seconds or so, for victims. it just seems incessant. >> it really does. that's exactly what moved me. as a coincidence, i had sunday night, the previous night, bumped into one of the fathers of a 7-year-old boy who was murdered at the sandy hook elementary school which is near and dear to the hearts of all of us from ken nut cut. i was thinking sunday night, having bumped into this father that, had he asked me, so, now what are you guys going to do about this now? this is, whatever, the 12th mass killing in the last three

months? in congress you could actually pass some things that wouldn't end but would dramatically reduce the violence that is a playing on our communities. you know what i was going to have to tell him, i was going to say, well, tomorrow we'll be talking about sports and thinking about where we're going to ginner in, but then we're going to stop talking for sen seconds, put on our serious face and stop talking for ten seconds, what do you think? of course it's an appalling reaction to something that is an absolute epidemic in this country. look, i'm all for moments of silence in churches and homes and stadiums and all that stuff, but in the very room where measures could be taken that would save lives, when we respond to episode after episode with ten seconds of silence, that's not honoring the victims. that's just negligence. >> so what do you believe needs to happen on gun control and what would it take to accomplish that in congress? >> well, you know, first of all, it would take congress doing what it's designed to do. congress exists to work the will

of the people, and something like 90% of americans agree on some commonsensical things like everybody, wherever they buy a gun, whether online or at a gun show, whoever they are, they should have a comprehensive background check. that's not where we are today. we could pass that in one hour. things like limiting magazines, the number of bullets in a magazine to ten rounds so you can't fire off more than ten rounds without having to pause to reload, basic licensing. nothing of these things interfere with your fundamental right to own a gun. each and every one of these things would reduce by some number the total amount of carnage out there. of course, what needs to happen is the discussion needs to become a lot more honest. inevitably this devolved into the well, guns aren't the problem, it's a mental health problem. yes, it's a mental problem.

orlando was an isis radicalization problem, appears to have something to do with the homophobia of this individual. this is a country that is absolutely a wash in lethal firearms. we can't talk about that! >> in fact, the reality is that what you're saying makes such common sense. where is the disconnect, where does it fall apart that we're not trying to take away guns, not trying to take away ammunition, we do want to talk about mental health issues, but can we limit things? can we make sure everyone who owns a gun is licensed to do so, is in proper mental health to have a gun? why does that not get through? where is the disconnect? >> the problem really is that there has grown up in this country this cult, and it's been spurred on by the nra. this cult believes -- by the way, far from a majority of americans, actually a small

number of americans, but this cult is dedicated to the idea that if you even consider any of these ideas, if you consider the idea of universal background check, if you consider the idea that if you're on the no-fly list you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. now you're on this steady slippery slope to the objective of president obama, to take away guns. that's wayne lapierre's language of the nra. every time he gets in front of people he says, don't believe anything you hear, which is an interesting sentence -- the president of the united states wants to take away your guns. nothing could be further from the truth. now people are like, oh, my god, wait, i like shooting, i need this for my own self-protection. we're not even allowed to start a conversation which is the problem here. >> you mentioned speaking with these families from sandy hook on sunday night. your state of connecticut has

some of the toughest gun control laws in the country after the horror of that incident. what did you learn from that experience about what is effective and what could be applied from that to the country as a whole? >> well, we learned exactly what you might expect that we would learn which is that when you mandate that everybody gets a background check, that when you take certain weapons that are clearly there for military purposes, to perpetrate as much violence as possible as quickly as possible, not particularly helpful for tracking that gear, what we've learned in connecticut is when you actually pass those measures, two things happen. one, nobody's second amendment rights are constricted. there's still plenty of people in connecticut who are able to own and keep whatever firearm is consist accident with the law, and two it's a little early to draw this conclusion, but we're already starting to see levels of gurn related violence in the state of connecticut go down. do we expect it to disappear? of course not.

there will always be people who have access to weapons who have stupid things or don't have access to a gun who will use a knife which i hear time and time again from people who refuse to have this conversation. the point is, every life saved is something to be celebrated. >> people will ask this question. were congress to have passed any of these proposals up for debate monday, would that have stopped orlando? >> alex, that's not the question to ask. this is part of the problem with the conversation. what happens is we look at this week's latest atrocity and we say, wait a minute, this proposal that you've made wouldn't have stopped this particular event, and that may or may not be true for every particular event, right? the point is, if we could pass a reasonable and commonsensical package of these things, we would stop a lot of these events. if we had a smarter system that had identified that this guy was

dangerous and we knew it, the fbi interviewed this guy twice -- by the way, there's very complicated issues around this. you don't want to take away somebody's rights on suspicion of possibly doing something in the future. so it's not easy to do. if we had a system that say, when this guy bought an ar 15 in orlando, that somebody in law enforcement was notified, they were notified and somebody could swing by the house and do another interview, maybe 50 people would be alive in orlando today. >> okay. representative jim himes, thanks for the conversation. i'll say god speed to you. >> thank you, alex. lingering questions almost a week after the horrific attack in orlando. >> loss of life was imminent. yes, had to make that decision. hard decision to make. i wasn't alone. jesus delgado team of people advising me. we all knew that was the right thing to do and believe we prevented a lot of future loss of life and saved many, many

lives. >> that was orlando police chief john meina. police entered that nightclub to subdue the gunman and free the hostages three hours after the first reports of the shootings were received. let's bring in malcolm nance, executive director of the terror asymmetrics project and nbc terrorism analyst. put it together for us, why orlando police had to wait three hours before entering that club. >> the amount of time police took to enter the club for the assault, i know it's under question. let me give you some background on this. when i was an intelligence officer, i was sent to s.w.a.t. officers training school as part of my land warfare training. i worked with lapd s.w.a.t., capitol hill s.w.a.t. each one of these agencies have a unified form of tactics in how they go after people, but the reason that there was intelligence staff at this type of school is because, once

you've had the initial assault by a terrorist or armed criminal, you have to now gain extra information in a situation where you have a hostage barricade or suicide hostage barricade. for you to gain that information, you have to do several different factors. you have to penetrate that building with some sort of sensor system, or you have to communicate with the shooter himself. granted, it was an active shooter situation, but after the first gun battle they had outside the venue for the most part, they had a period of calm where they felt they had to go in, assess the situation, determine who was alive, where they were located, where the shooter was located. very difficult situation to second-guess after an incident. >> it's obvious they're trying to figure out exactly what's going on inside. what is the most difficult challenge to that? figuring out home people are hostages, how many may be wounded, what the risk is. what is the most pressing

problem there? >> this is why i train state and national irn tell generals staffs now with international terrorism level intelligence brought to local law enforcement. we are now dealing with problems which are much bigger than just an active shooter where you may have a suicide hostage barricade like you saw at bataclan in paris. these officers have to actually put in the sensors, have to make these determinations. it's also multiagency. chief mina was the principal agency, you have the u.s. marshals, the fbi, all of them will have s.w.a.t. assets working the assault. that's why they had to take the time, figure out what the sheert was, come up with plan of action and execute a dynamic entry. >> malcolm nance, thanks for weighing in as always. >> my pleasure. the trum movement has a strategy coup, but does it have any chance of working? you laugh. you worry.

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tell anybody to do something contrary to their conscience. of course, i wouldn't do that. believe me, chuck, i get it, this is a very strange situation, a very unique nominee. >> house speaker paul ryan talking about donald trump in a "meet the press" interview airing tomorrow. new today, "the washington post" suggesting dozens of gop delegates are exploring new ways to stop presumptive nominee donald trump. i want to bring in msnbc political reporter benji sol man and "usa today" editor paul singer. >> ben, i'll begin with you first. how legitimate is this effort to dump trump. we just have one month. >> it would be unprecedented and this is a long shot. it is a real actual effort. nbc news can review the reporting on this. we spoke to a delegate of the convention and the way it is work, he's trying to organize -- he has about 20 to 30 people on

his side, a rules committee vote. before the convention starts which would allow delegates who are now required to vote for the winner of their state or their district or their caucus, to vote for whichever candidate they want. trump has a clear majority. if you change those rules, it would allow people to have the option of voting for someone else. however, this is a very long shot. it's a 112-member rules committee. there would be a lot of other issues down the line. >> benji, you highlighted two issues, one, being able to stop trum ch and the second is putting up someone in his stead. who would that be? >> that's a good question. it is worth noting a lot of the most prominent supporters of the dump trump movement supported ted cruz in the past. the organizers of the effort like kendall unrah don't say they have a candidate. needless to say, a month before a convention when you have

somebody ramp up with whatever candidate that comes out of the convention, that's prtity difficult. it means you also have to convince people to just rally against trump in a vote even if you do somehow manage to change the rules without any clear alternative rising up. there's not a lot of time for someone to do that. >> paul, let's take a listen to what donald trump said on friday about gop support. here is that. >> the party is actually liking me. i'm an outsider. i'm an outsider, and historically they don't love the outsiders. but i think they're starting to like me. maybe there will be a few -- you don't hear about the tremendous numbers of people -- i'm even talking about the politicians that will totally supportive. if one person raises a little question, it's like oh, did you hear? let me tell you, folks, we have tremendous support. >> is he living in an alternate reality or is the party actually liking him? >> i think he's half right on this topic.

keep in mind the republican party is a party with its own int infrastructure and apparatus. right now the apparatus is getting behind donald trump. reince peeb bus, the chairman of the rnc traveled with mr. trump on his fund-raising trip this weekend. so there is no doubt that the party is now moving forward to embrace mr. trump, integrate mr. trump and design a convention around mr. trump. it is also true, very clearly true if you walk the halls, no member of congress wants to talk about donald trump. there's obviously some disquiet within the arty about this nominee which is what mr. ryan was addressing there. >> taking that further, paul, you've got notable republicans saying we are either not going to endorse him or we're going to cross the aisle and jump behind hillary clinton with our vote. how unprecedented is that? >> that is unusual. again, this is a very divisive

nominee and a very unpopular nominee. keep in mind, hillary clinton also has her own problems with being a very unpopular nominee. you're not seeing democrats saying we'll jump off the hillary clinton bandwagon and vote for trump. keep in mind it's early, there's time to work itself out and for mr. trump to find a balance where he is not as divisive within his own party. at the moment it's extraordinarily unusual to see high profile republicans saying no, i'm not going to vote for this nominee. >> the polls showing trump slipping. what do you think the reasons are for that? is. >> not a lot of mystery. donald trump had a surge to tieing or even leading hillary clinton because republicans skeptical of his campaign started uniteding behind him. what we've seen is that initial burst of unity has frayed. trump's numbers have been plummeting, one negative story

after another, his attacks on a federal judge overseeing a lawsuit against trump university trump said he was bias due to his, quote, mechanics tan heritage. a call for a ban on muslim travel, very popular with republican voters but extremely unpopular with members of congress and makes it very difficult for them to wrap their arms around trump. so this is also driving this dump trump movement at the convention. however unlikely it is to succeed, it's getting oxygen because they can say this shows he'll lose by a large margin in november, so we have to take this on a pragmatic ground, even if you don't think trump is as disagreeable as some of the other critics do. >> something quirky i want to run by with you, paul, you looked at common google searches for the candidates. what did you discover? >> i was looking at a bunch of google data on search information from various parts of the country, and the thing

that leapt out at you is the number of people searching for hillary clinton and fbi and hillary clinton or indictment and the number of people searching for donald trump and wife and donald trump and daughters. i don't know what this says about america or these candidates, but these are the two of the things that seem to be most fascinating to people googling about donald trump and hillary clinton. i still can't explain it. >> i was going to say, i can't interpret that. i'll think about that for a while. thank you very much, good to see you both. defining the orlando incident. the attack and the attacker next.

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us live from there. what's the situation like today? >> reporter: alex, with conditions like this, a good word for these fires is relentle relentless. we've had 1200 firefighters from the ground and the sky hampering this fire. from estimates that started this fire at about 4,000 acres yesterday, now have grown to about 6,000 acres today. the fire is only about 20% contain contained. we've been talking about what the heat is going to do this fire. we're in a really arid region where there hasn't been a real good fire in these hills for decades, the 1950s. combine that with the fact that california is in this four-year drought, very arid conditions. temperatures in parts of california that could get up to the triple digits. we'll see some of that in

arizona where there's the cedar fire in new mexico, where we have the hill fire and other places in this area where there are dozens of fires burning in this region. it's going to be really tough for firefighters in this extreme heat to get a handle on these fires. >> it sure is. steve patterson, thanks for keeping a watch for us. let's go from there to terrors in orlando. questions arising about the missed clues. let's bring in robin sin cox from the heritage foundation. robin, a good day to you. i know you spoke about reluctance to the violence like orlando to islam. in your view, what's the problem here? >> i think there's a reluctance, i would say not islam, but islamism, the political ideology which drives people like omar mateen. i understand the administration's reluctance to get involved in the theological aspect and the ideological aspect because these are very tricky subjects. i think it's ultimately what

animates people like omar mateen. my other sense is that the american people can see very clearly there is clearly some kind of theological, ideological aspect to this. so when the administration always looks to downplay these angles, i think it makes it appear fundamentally dishonest in a way that isn't helpful for the debate generally. >> politico looks this week at quotes from fbi critics who say the tally of missed clues from boston to orlando is evidence that to a disturbing extent the fbi and intelligence community are still fighting the last war, one in which radicalization follows a predictable path, growing a beard, praying more frequently. do you agree with that assessment? >> i don't think so. i think we've got to be very careful here on the extent we criticize law enforcement intelligence agencies who have all in all done a pretty phenomenal job since 9/11 in keeping the u.s. safe. when you look back on the

instances of omar mateen, the missed clues, so to speak, a lot of things, for example, watching video of awlaki or his links to tsarnaevs or al qaeda, these aren't things that will link to convictions or prosecutions. we have to keep our fundamental values here and we can't started locking people up, for example, just because they happen to watch a jihadist video once in a while. i think we've got to be very careful here that the fbi don't get overly criticized when they've actually done a pretty fantastic job. >> how about bringing them up to date, so to speak. are you in agreement that maybe there are technological things that can happen. i spoke with one of our msnbc terrorism analysts earlier saying putting together a flash program that you compile data and more and more red flags pop up that say look at this guy. is there technology that would

help? >> i think technology certainly will help in this. but then you get into the privilege see, the security debate, don't you. i think this is something america has felt very viscerally since the snowden disclosures. i think that kind of data can be useful. i think some of the data of the nsa and other agencies have been able to kbiel can be useful. but then you're on the line, what are america people's comfort with the extent to which their privacy will be breached in an attempt to stop people like omar mateen, it's very tricky. >> how about this, lots of talk about how mateen was investigated by the fbi, even put on the watch list, but yet he was still able to buy guns. would you say there's a disconnect there between anti-terror and day today law enforcement? >> the question seems to be were the local law enforcement informed by the fbi, for example, this guy had been questioned, that there were

concerns about him? that's one of the things i think it's still a little too early to know. one of the areas where i think there's need for general discussion to what could have been done better. knocking down those fire walls between intelligence and law enforcement and fbi and local law enforcement are absolutely key to stopping attacks in the future. >> all right, robin simcox, thank you so much. >> thank you. a visit to clinton headquarters leads to speculation about an all female ticket. that's ahead. you can even choose a car for them. (mom) honey, are you ok? (child) i'm ok. (announcer vo) love. (mom) we're ok. (announcer vo) it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

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she will be the ultimate pick. i think this is good for both of them. this has raised elizabeth warren's profile and inserted right right into the race. i think hilly would be better to pick someone like julian castro to appeal to the latino vote or even someone like tim kaine, former governor of virginia and current senator of virginia who could be a great way to appeal to some of the moderate republican women that we have a shot at since donald trump is so offensive to women. >> and javier bass sarah from southern california, someone who apparently is being vetted as well. >> yes, very interesting. i think that could be a smart move to drive up turnout. donald trump's unfavorables with them are in the 80-something percent. they don't like him. you have to make sure you get folks out to vote. >> something else we teased before the break, "the boston

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