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what is the latest in the investigation of the killer? >> reporter: the fbi is still processing the crime scene. this as a senior law enforcement official tells nbc news that an analysis of the shooter's belongings turned up no manifesto, no suicide notes, no writings in his own hand indicating what was going on in his head while he was planning this shooting. when it comes to his electronic devices, we're told there is some indication that he used dating sites. omar mateen had increased his spending in the time leading up to the attack, one official put it almost as if he expected that he never had to pay that money back. the bulk of that spending was on jewelry for his wife and on
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expensive dinners. >> what about the community? >> reporter: love and support continues to pour here into orlando. a vigil planned for later this evening expecting more than 20,000 people there. last night at the orlando city san jose soccer game, that was the first major sport event to happen since the attack, there was a show of support. first responders being brought onto the field as the crowd cheered for him and for their city. >> it's been up and down all week. tears, anything we're reading, you know, we were just talking earlier reading the surgeon's interview. we know a lot of people that worked in the hospital. she personally knowed friends that were there at pulse. it's been a really hard week for everyone. >> reporter: at 49 minutes into the game, play was paused for a moment of silence. 49 balloons in a rainbow of
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colors tied to 49 empty seats in that stadium. it was an evening of emotion and a lot of symbolism. even a week later the orlando massacre dominates front pages. the orlando sental -- the l.a. times examines the greater frequency of mass shootings in this country. let's go now to political headlines and new reaction from donald trump on efforts by some delegates to stop him from getting the nomination. here's what he told hallie
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jackson on meet the press this morning. >> i competed along with a lot of establishment people. i beat them all. and now a couple of them would like to come in through the back door. it's awfully hard when i win 37 or 38 states. so i win 38 states and somebody else won none and they're going to be the nominee. i don't think so. >> house speaker paul ryan is also weighing in on these efforts. here's what he said during a separate interview on meet the press about them. >> i want to see a strong majority in the house and the senate. the voters picked him. that's the choice they made. we -- what can i control? that's not something i can control. it is not my job to tell delegates what to do, what not to do or to weigh in on things like that. they make the rules. all i want to make sure is it's done above board, clearly, honestly and by the rules. i see my role now as pretty much
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a ceremonial position. >> a new report in the "washington post" explores trump's declining poll numbers and suggest that november is fast becoming what the gop fears, a referendum on donald trump. another report suggests that trump's rhetoric could cause arizona to turn blue. let's head to arizona. >> reporter: a lot of these questions of course because trump has never been in this circumstance. for almost the entire year that he ran, he's been on top of the polls. in the last month he's been behind in every national poll. we know he's behind in fund-raising dollars. when confronted about this, when asked even though he's been on a fund-raising sweep this week and trump says he raised even in the last couple of days between 12
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and $13. how he can possible catch up, here was his answer. >> we really haven't started. we start pretty much after the convention. >> why wait? >> she has a head start but i've raised a lot of money for the party. we're doing very well. millions of dollars just this weekend. >> not as much as her. >> i don't think we need as much. the wall street fat cats are putting up a lot of money for her. i don't think i need that money. look, we're going to raise a lot of money. i've raised a lot of money this weekend. i'm raising it for the republican party. >> reporter: so when will he get started? he mentioned the convention. wh and then we move forward. there are a lot of questions of course about whether that will be too late. already you have republican convention delegates who we've talked about in earlier shows who have this effort to change the rules to provide for a
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conscience clause that would allow them to vote for anybody on the first ballot, even those that were bound to trump. >> 12 or $13 million is a lot of money but he's saying it would be easier for him to do it on his own because a lot of that money he's raising is going to go to down party candidates. he's going to have to give a lot to the gop. >> reporter: right. on the one hand he said he would like the help of the go but it's easier to self-fund. all of the money would go to him instead of the gop. self-funding was a center piece of his campaign. the record breaking temperatures there threatening to worsen wildfires which have already blackened thousands of acres especially in california.
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let's get an update. what's the situation there now? >> reporter: the aerial assault has been continuing all morning. they're hoping the fire will not breach the ridge. what's different today, it's hotter and drier, lower relative humidity. that means even if an ember escapes the containment zone and lands on an area that hasn't burned, that could mean another fire. one of the challenges today also, the wind. later tonight a red flag warning goes into effect 5:00 local time until tuesday morning. today and tomorrow some extremely challenging conditions for the firefighters. so far we're told just as of a few minutes ago 45% containment. those numbers could change later today after they've had time to
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determine if those fire lines are holding. the sun downer winds last night did come in. they raced down the hill gusting more than 40 miles per hour. but the wind came toward an area that had already burned so that was a break. 300 homes and ranches continue to be threatened. about 2,000 fire personnel are working on this fire both on the ground and in the air. they think that perhaps there could be full containment later this week. >> is there any forecast as to when this heat wave is going to end? >> reporter: no, there really isn't. the extreme heat will be today and tomorrow and perhaps by tuesday it will cool down a little bit. so later in the week conditions do look slightly better. a meeting of minds. the points expected to be made at a gathering this week between
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i really appreciate the support given to me by the evangelicals. they've been incredible. every poll says how well i'm doing with them. my mother gave me this very bible many years ago. in fact, it's her writing right here. she wrote the name and my address. it's very special to me. >> that was a video posted to facebook in january just before the iowa caucuses. donald trump there promising to never let down evangelical voters. two days from now he's expected to meet with top social conservative leaders. the goal, for him to address concerns they have about his candidacy. joining me now tony perkins.
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thanks for joining me. so you have said the main point of tuesday's meeting is to have a conversation. what do you want to hear from donald trump? >> well, it is to have a conversation. it is to have a discussion about the future of this country and what it's going to take to make america great again and get down to some of the details and some of the policy initiatives. this is an initiative that came about as it was seen that he was going to be the nominee. many evangelicals did not support him. but there are many out there that i think would like to, but there is some uncertainty. this is about trying to start this process where they might be comfortable with him as a gop presidential nominee. >> so a conversation is a two-way street. and you want to hear from trump. what do you want to tell him? >> well, as we've been working on this, we're surprised how many people want to be there. we started out thinking there would be about 400. there's going to be probably 900
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people there, leaders from across the country that want to be a part of this conversation. ben carson was extremely instrumental in getting this set up. donald trump agreed to it and donald trump wants to have this conversation. so you're going to have a number of questions ranging from national security to the type of vice presidential candidate he may choose and i think religious little b liberty and how aggressive he will be in defending religious freedom. in the wake of what happened last week in orlando, people are going to want to know how secure will you make america for all americans? no american should live in fear in this country of being attacked by terrorists. >> there are a few thing s donad trump has said. he says planned parenthood provides beneficial services. he previously was pro-choice. he opposed north carolina bathroom law before he then supported it. he said he doesn't ask god for
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forgiveness. do those things bother you? >> those are all issues of concern. i think that's why there's not people just rushing because he's the gop nominee. as evangelicals, christians, conservatives in this process, we not only want to have influence, but we also have to be a witness to the truth. and so part of that is, all right, let's have a conversation about these issues. maybe you didn't think through them. i give him the benefit of the doubt that as a businessman he's not thought through these policies. that's why you'll see him from time to time change his positions once it's been explained to him. this is the beginning of a process. some may support him others may not. >> for many people attending this meeting, donald trump was certainly not their first choice. what do you think it will take for them to believe he deserves their vote? >> that's a good point.
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there's some coming with the campaign who were supportive of him early on. but most of the people that will be there are undecided. this is a part of that process of helping them make that decision. they do want to know how important faith or the role of faith might be in his administration. but they also, i think, given what's happening in our culture and our country, they want security. they want a president who is going to keep america secure, our borders are part of that but also our streets. but they also want the assurances that they're going to be able to live out their faith, the freedom to live accordingbe. that's going to be a key issue. part of that is going to be who his running mate is. is it someone who has a track record on these issues? because he doesn't. and is it someone who has a relationship with the social conservative community. >> do you think donald trump is
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sincere when he talks about his faith? are you real clear how he views his faith? >> no one can -- scripture is very clear on that. you cannot know a man's heart. you can evaluate how their live their lives. some people, faith is more central to the decisions they make. as an evangelical christian, i seek to please the lord jesus christ in all that i do and it's very central to my life. i haven't spent that much time with donald trump. i've had some conversations with him. as you saw in that commercial he makes reference to it. we'll all in a process. we're all on a journey and growing. that's a part of the evangelical community wanting to be an influence and a witness to him that maybe encourage him to make faith more central to his life and administration. >> can you envision yourself endorsing donald trump? >> i am one of those coming to this meeting undecided. i would certainly say that the
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vast majority coming there are not going to vote for hillary clinton. that's not the issue. the issue is will we be actively supporting donald trump and what he is proposing for america. it's very important that donald trump and his message and his campaign going forward is not to scare evangelicals with what hillary would do to the country but rather to inspire them with what he can do working with them to make america great again. i'm going to wait and see. i'm coming to this with an open mind, to observe, to listen and have that conversation. i'm hopeful that we can come to an understanding where we can move america back in the right direction. >> do you think you will come away from this meeting with a definitive feeling on donald trump? or do you think it's still going to evolve over the next few months? >> it's the conversation. it's the beginning of a process. i think many people will take what they hear on tuesday. i'm hopeful that we're going to
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have a very open, frank conversation. and from there people will be able to process that and come to an conclusion. it may take days, may take a couple of weeks. we'll see -- that's going to be a part of my process, will he embrace the conservative platform of the gop or will he try to moderate it? so far looks like he's in line with the platform that the party currently has. political promise. what libertarian presidential nominee gary johnson says he will not be doing through november's election. hmmmmmm..... hmmmmm... [ "dreams" by beck ] hmmmmm... the turbocharged dream machine.
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see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink we know the killer was an angry and disturbed individual who took in extremistaganda ove the internet and became radicalized. >> you mentioned that there is a recently released isis video that you have confirmed is from
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isis. >> isis just released a video about an hour ago. it specifically featured an alleged american fighter who essentially praised omar mateen, the orlando shooter. it featured recycled footage of the pulse nightclub and media reports. even one fighter insinuated there would be surprise attacks in 2016. it appears to be propaganda trying to gain propaganda value from the post-orlando frenzy. >> this omar mateen, while it has not been established that he had any credible ties with anybody outside of the u.s. or anything directly to isis. he certainly had the influence. talk about the efficacy of a video like this on someone like omar mateen or other aspirational terrorists out
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there. >> what isis does in every major terror attack, it releases a media campaign to capitalize on the frenzy. the propaganda value is immense. >> how about omar mateen, the fact that during the attack he was communicating, we've been told by the attorney general loretta lynch, three times he communicated with negotiators. we know that he was texting back and forth with his wife. he claimed his loyalty to isis and said that's what this is all about. talk about that. >> it's really not clear whether he wanted to make that pledge of allegiance beforehand or during. he definitely knew that 911 call would be recorded and thus that his pledge of allegiance to isis would be known and would be announced. i think that while there is absolutely no evidence that he was directly related to isis or connected to isis, that he was
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trying to give isis this kind of notoriety of course claiming the worst mass shooting in u.s. history. >> is it more difficult to find somebody who is home grown, who doesn't have an official link, a direct link with isis or anybody overseas. they just are aspirational. >> absolutely. you don't know when self-radicalized individuals might pick up a gun and go shoot a mall or a theater or a nightclub. you don't see these attacks coming. it's very difficult to foil them, to intercept them and so on. while he's communicated with somebody overseas, there might be a trail establishing that kind of lia link. >> omar mateen has been described as a lone wolf. they are part of an imagined community. being part of a community gives value to their actions. calling these killers lone
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wolves does that influence terror organizations, that they think we can exert some influence with our online presence. >> absolutely. specifically, recently by isis to take up arms during the month of ramadan which is right now and to specifically target schism i civilians. in this case american civilians were targeted and of course that is as isis says a much more preferred to it than anything else. turning now to a developing story out of pennsylvania. lee kaplan is being catharged wh aggravated statutory assault. 12 girls secretly living with the 51-year-old. kaplan is expected to have fathered two children with one of the girls. the girl was apparently a gift
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to him from her parents to get them out of financial difficulties. let's talk about the latest in the investigation. it's a bizarre case. how did law enforcement become aware of what was happening? >> it's an interesting story. yesterday they actually began confiscating evidence out of that home. they described to me when they came out of the house what they found. they said there were air mattresses lying in the basement where those girls would sleep. they found canned goods, even a chicken coop in that basement. neighbors had long said there was bizarre behavior coming out of that house. it wasn't until one woman called authorities that we finally found out what was happening. >> police have been out to that house apparently for other things over the years. i don't know what, but there's been some things. and he claimed no children. that was my biggest thing. there are children. these children that i've been looking at as i've been driving by and looking at these little
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girls' faces and coming back home to my house knowing that i knew something was going on in there. i just knew it. >> that was neighbor jen bets. she said look i don't know if it's because i have a 10 month old child but i didn't want a man who was disheveled and appeared odd around the neighbor until i knew everything was okay. everything wasn't okay. we found out there was an 18-year-old girl who told police that two of the children who were inside that home were fathered by lee kaplan and she was the mother. even in a more bizarre plot twist i looked at the arrest affidavit and her father told police he had gifted his daughter to lee kaplan for helping him out of financial ruin. i looked at the 2008 documents where he filed for bankruptcy. in 2009 i saw a lawsuit he had filed against the amish church. he did say there was a financial
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arrangement between him and lee kaplan. this story is turning more and more bizarre in a really horrifying tale coming out of pennsylvania. all three adults are being held on $1 million bail. that have a preliminary hearing in late july. >> we have this then 14-year-old gifted by her parents. she's now 18 years old. she's got a 3-year-old and a six month old. >> the father of that 18-year-old said that the children belonging in that house even the others were his children. so we're now following up on those leads to find out exactly where their birth certificates. the police said they really don't know. they were looking for those birth certificates inside the home yesterday and they still haven't been able to find any identifying factors. let's go to politics.
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on the talk shows this morning attorney general loretta lynch was pressed on whether president obama's endorsement of hillary clinton compromises the department's e-mail investigation. kristin welker has more for us from washington on this. what did the attorney general say? >> the attorney general adamant that president obama's endorsement of secretary clinton will not in any way compromise the investigation. she makes the point, look, she is not talking to the president. he is not engaged in the investigation at all. of course republicans have used this as a political football. donald trump in particular has tried to suggest that it is in some way compromised. but again she vigorously said that's just not the case. >> well, you know, i decent get involve e -- don't get involved in whom the president endorses. the investigation into the state department e-mail matter is going to be handled like any other matter. >> does this create a conflict
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of interest for you? >> no. this is not a conflict for me or the department or for anyone. >> based on my most recent conversations with clinton campaign officials, secretary clinton has not yet been contacted by the fbi for an interview. the sense is once that happens the interview will be wrapping up. the clinton campaign making the case they are eager to have that happen. this has been a cloud over the clinton campaign, continues to haunt her and it feeds into her unfavorability rates right now which stand at 55%. the campaign vig yoorously tryi to deal with that issue. they have released an ad blitz really in a number of key battleground states touting secretary clinton's big accomplishes and really reintroducing her to voters. donald trump's infavorability rates even higher than secretary clinton's.
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♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ donald trump is surely enjiienji i -- enjoying being in the spotlight. >> i've been on the cover of time magazine so many times. and the cover of everything. i feel like a super model except like times ten, okay? it's true. i'm a super model. i'm on the cover -- i'm on the cover of the biggest magazines. i don't even know about it. i can't even read the story, because if i did, i couldn't get any work done. i have never seen anything like it. it's not about me. i'm doing a good job as a messenger, but i'm a messenger.
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>> his estimated wealth of $4.5 billion is roughly ten times as much as gisele bundchen's career earnings. so there's that. senator diane feinstein had this reaction this morning when asked specifically about whether she would ever reintroduce her 2013 bill. >> i've tried now three times. the question comes how deeply embedded are members of the senate and the house to the national rifle association. because you will never be able to meet what the national rifle association wants and achieve anything. >> joining me now is sabrina shaffer. and jonathan alter, an msnbc political analyst.
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that was a pretty strong indictment against your fellow lawmakers. is there any sense given the democratic filibuster and the climate that we're in could in fact move the needle this time around? >> i thought the senator's comments were interesting. she wasn't just pointing fingers at republicans. this is also somebody that's well known now that democrats have stalled on. it's very easy to want to get behind this legislation because it makes us feel good. but when you look at this horrifying attack in orlando, in many ways our current gun laws are working. what's not working is the follow thre through. there was a gun shop in the area that called the authorities and said this man seems wrong. we know that the fbi did nothing. i think the conversation needs to go a step further where we're talking about not just banning guns but what do all these background checks mean if the government doesn't do any of the follow-up.
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>> i'm spoken in this last hour with former vermont governor howard dean. he said this could become some sort of referendum against congress because of their inaction on gun control. he thinks it may turn. we all thought that would happen in 2014 in the wake of the sandy hook shootings and it didn't. do you think it could happen now? >> i do. i want to say one thing about what sabrina said. the guy who called the authorities was the one who sold mateen the armor he was using. the gun was bought from a different place and that guy didn't object, the ar-15. so we do have to get control of the semiautomatic weapons. it's just pure insanity that we have so many of them out there. they were banned for a time in the '90s. the ban expired. and at the top of the legislative agenda, if and when hillary clinton becomes president, we'll be going back
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at some of those common sense gun safety measures that the nra actually used to support. automatic background checks, closing the gun show loophole and fortso forth. we can't get to those initiatives until we have a presidential election and there's a referendum on this. hillary clinton is running very up front on these gun safety issues. it's not a second or third tier issue. if she wins a big victory, she'll have a mandate for change and you could see things change pretty quickly. >> are you telling me you don't expect any action tomorrow from the senate? >> they might do something very small, but not anything that would be very significant. >> sabrina, you heard part of it but to further the conversation, attorney general loretta lynch was on all the major sunday show this is morning saying that the trr transcripts of the orlando
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shooter's calls with law enforcement officials are going to be released tomorrow. what do you think is the obama administration's calculation here? >> i think they do think they have the ability to put the right foot forward on this, not just on gun control but perhaps on the issue of terrorism although i don't quite see that. but i do think because trump has not necessarily passed that test in this instance, he doesn't seem to have his thumb on the pulse of what's really at stake here. we're talking about immigration rather than the fact this was a home grown terrorist. i think that gives the obama administration to show themselves as the authority here. but i don't really believe that's the case. i do think we're really missing this personal human component to all of these horrible shootings. and that is that once again every single time we know that there are people who are saying something is not right here, this person is doing something wrong. we're worried they're doing to do something wrong. and they don't feel like they have the resources or support to
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come out and stop things. we should take a closer look at how we can help provide people with that support. >> donald trump has been walking a pretty fine line on guns. he says he wants those on the terror watch list to be banned from buying guns. why do you think he isn't telling the nra and the gop what they want to hear? >> because he's more focused on the terrorism side in choosing and weighing which is a bigger issue for him, you know, gun rights or fighting terrorism, i think he thinks his better path to the white house is on fear. you know, a lot of what he's said, though, we can't take to the bank on many issues and clearly on this. we have no idea whether he actually will meet with the nra. just because he says he's going to do something doesn't mean he won't change his mind by the following day. his overall take on this that somehow the response to this should be banning people coming from countries that have been involved in terrorism when
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mateen was an american citizen, he was born very close to donald trump in queens. he's got the wrong possible solution for the problem. i think the american people are getting it. they get it now. and he's slipping in the polls a lot. >> yeah. i would agree with john on that. in the sense that, you know, it's easy to jump on him and say, oh, his comments are racialracial racially disgusting, sort of the bigger concern is he doesn't seem to have his thumb on the pulse on the policy, on what needs to happen. one role of the commander in chief is not only to bring team together after a tragedy di ssus this, but to offer concrete stops forward. it suggests he doesn't really have a good sense of how to tackle this very frightening problem. >> very quickly i want to ask you guys about house speaker paul ryan standing by his
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endorsement of trump. >> i think it shows that he's not voting his conscience. he clearly doesn't -- he said he thinks trump is a racist. he clearly isn't comfortable with trump having his finger on the nuclear the nuclear button. as chuck todd said, it is not patriotic. if you want to be a leader step forward and show leadership. this idea that as speaker of the house he can't take sides, that's not written anywhere. he needs to step up and be a leader. >> i'm out of time. good to see you both. in just a moment, how penny can make a big difference for people in one of the biggest cities but if this works the price. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means
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the first city in the u.s. to pass a soda tax targeting sugary drinks k3e79 those with 50% juice or milk. the tax is expected to raise over $90 million a year and fund city projects but critics say the beverage industry is vowing to repeal it calling it discriminatory. patrick is a contributor whose recent article focused on this. welcome to you. for starters, how did philadelphia succeed in getting this measure passed? other cities, like new york, have failed. >> philly is the first city to enact a soda tax. they had a different approach. they have didn't pretend it was about improving health. the mayor said he wanted more revenue. that's how they passed it. proponents like mayor bloomberg and others who support this including secretary clinton, hillary clinton came out in support of it, even though it
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violates her pledge top not raise taxes. supporters are jub lilant and think it will be the catalyst to take it nationwide. the largest one pointed out by bernie sanders. when secretary clinton came out in support of the soda tax, senator sanders came out in opposition and responded that this is a tax that will disproportionately hurt low-income individuals, poor individuals, low-income families. >> we should say on the november ballots, those in san francisco and oakland they will have a proposal and see what the voters there do. talk about what experts believe. the tax itself could convince people to reduce, even cut out completely their soda consumption, right? it would be just like the higher tobacco taxes and that resulted in fewer smokers. do you see any public health
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advantage in this? >> it is a good chance it will result in the decline of soda sales. but that speaks to why it is an unsound approach to funding government. this tax is allowing increase in education spending, but soda, consumption of soda is a declining activity. to put education spending reliant on a declining activity is an unsound approach to g governance and i don't think that many cities will follow philadelphia's lead on this. it is unwise and will put city finances on shaky ground. they are depending on a reliance in a tax that is declining. it will ultimately result in a budget short fall. >> we will see what happens. i don't see this has something that will be adopted across the
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