>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> people put you under a microscope. >> you told the lady on the parole board, [ bleep ]. >> fell for a staff member. this is the love of my life. >> david and i had known each other for seven months when he

finally got caught. it was a bad choice but i wouldn't take it back for anything. >> that's how you get escorted everywhere you go. >> we're going to transfer him from a level 6 facility to a level 5 facility. we have some issues related to the classification officer that's assigned to this unit.

he made threats in the recent past so we need to move him to an alternative housing area. it's in the best interest of the classification officer to get him transferred out of here. he does not know nothing at this point. at this point he is just under the assumption that he'll be escorted to medical. >> because eight piers to be an isolated incident staff moved conrad to a differ part of the prison to diffuse the situation. >> i stabbed him in the head when he was like 18 years old

here. >> he was 18 and started working here. and i stabbed him. >> what was it? >> angle iron. >> i had been working here for about six months and conrad asked for the phone, when to give him the phone, the officer opened the door and came out with a shank. luckily it just cut me in the back. i just come do my job. that's it. i'm not -- i don't want to act like it. >> would you take it personal? >> definitely. >> a little bit of a change of environment. we're going to a level five.

>> everything is good my last 60 days. i can get a little bit of interaction with people before i get out into society because -- well, actually 16 years so it's not a good transition to go before, you know. if i'm too dangerous to go to a level 5, how am i not too dangerous to go to population? >> i don't want you to go in there with any false impressions. you're still 65 and they'll review you at that time and any decrease will be through that process at level 5 so you still need to follow call for that. >> okay. have a good day. >> enjoy the 5. >> it's a little bit too late. i got 60 days to go home. by the time the process happens i'll be lucky if i get two weeks. but anything is better than

nothing i guess. you interact with somebody physically. because there's no physical you know. >> contact. >> yeah. our visits are through glass. so it's not the same, do you know what i mean? so hopefully i can go out and interact with people and talk and, you know, work on my social skills a little bit. >> he still talks a good game. >> i'm hoping they let me out to population. it is a big deal. it's kind of weird. back to a population. wasn't expecting this when i woke up this morning.

>> how's it going? do you know who i am? you going to be okay over here? do you know why they sent you here? >> because i completed the level 6 process. so my next step was level five. >> you weren't having any issues with any of the stuff over there. >> no i need some kind of integration. >> you know what you have to do first. make sure that all of your concerns and everything. i have to go through your file and everything. >> i don't have any enemies. >> but you are a validated gang member. or did they take that tag off. >> suspected. >> got you as suspected. >> are you going to be okay over here? >> no. >> we're not going to have no busted windows or nothing like that. >> no not with 60 days to the

house. >> all right, man. stay cool, okay? >> staff has received information about the presence of weapons. >> i had an inmate come up to me yesterday and tell me that another inmate every time he is in there sweeping or mopping that he keeps asking him if he can get him some metal pieces, four or five inches long. he says yeah every time i'm cleaning in there he's asking me for metal objects but the other day when i was sweeping and mopping he called me, got my attention and he pulled out a piece of metal he says about this long and says never mind i have one. so i hit the neighbor and sure enough the neighbor had one. the object we found was about 7 inches so we're missing about this much still. we're going to go down where these weapons were found.

i shook down three of the inmates and i'm going to shake down the rest. the whole pod. >> what we need to do is get one guy escorted out here and remember nobody in the cell. so once we pull the guy out and put him in the strip cage and make sure that we do strips because if they see us and know what's going on they're not hiding nothing in their buttocks. probably stay on the top tier and stay on the bottom and just walk around and see if we catch anybody stashing anything. if they start flushing a lot shutdown the water. >> everybody is going to the yard. >> this maybe the officer's last chance to recover the weapons before they're used. >> there's probably four or five weapons in there. >> also ahead, conrad's mouth gets him in trouble with the parole board. >> you told the lady on the parole board, [ bleep ] clipa food tru l one ofu ck, ruining your perfect record. yeah. now you would think your insurance company

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after receiving a tip that inmates may have weapons officers begin searching the units. >> basically i'm inside the heater vent and there's a space between the heater and the wall and that's a common area to hide contraband. they'll fish it through behind the crease here and feed it through the vent it was a nice one. a five inch or six inch. >> the officers didn't find it but they did find a possible new source of weapons. >> yesterday one of the weapons we found were made out of the material. that's the new thing now. i've never seen big chunks

missing and they are taking these chunks off and melting them down and making a weapon and the stuff dries hard so it's not soft we're going to write him up for destruction of state property and take his stool out. if you do your job, you should be safe. you shouldn't get stabbed or anything like that but there's the one thing you slip up and forget to do something and that's when it happens. they wait until you don't follow procedure and that's when you get hurt. >> it's longer sentencing. and it's had it's lesson the hard way. >> aggravated assault.

and battery on the officers and anything you can think of. the officers and probably chemical and 30 or 40 people. and lost my mind. and pulling out about a 6 to an 8 inch. and i stayed in that cell.

and 20 when i came in. well 19 when i fell but i came in with 18 months. >> well, how old are you now? >> 38. >> so all of this extra time is this all because of your behavior in prison. >> yes, every bit of it. and to earn my reputation. and transfer to level five but today we've seen a whole new side of them. >> i look forward to that right

now or every month depending of what level i'm on. >> i had a friend that was in prison that i met him through, that introduced us and we met 13 years ago. we were married two years after we met. >> you're going to go through this door, down the stairs and to your left. >> thank you. >> he has been locked up the whole time. he went out of state for about six years. he was in california for a couple of years, virginia, illinois. when he was in california we went and saw him. we would take the whole family t kids, his mother. he is being released next month, hopefully. >> what are you anticipating? >> i don't know. we're excited. i don't know worried, nervous. because there's never -- he's never been out there with us. our whole time together has been in here. the kids have all been raised here too with him being locked up. it's taking him awhile but he

finally realized he needs to get out. he wants to be out with us. hopefully it's finally going to happen. >> hi baby. i can't wait until you get out. >> the question is are you ready to get out? >> i'm ready to get out but it's a lot of anxiety. i don't know what to expect. >> you'll get used to it. it will be all right. >> yeah. we'll see. i'm going to have to walk to the shower like that. put bars on the windows. >> we can do that too if you want. >> put a cot next to the window with bars on there. that's going to take some getting used to. it's going to be -- >> on all of our parts. not just you. do you know what day you're getting out yet? >> well, the projected date is may 19th. so for sure when i hit parole

board next month they'll tell me for sure what date i get out. >> that's when they give you the date? >> yeah, they'll have the exact date you're getting out and tell you about your dress out and the $50 check they give you and all of that. >> cool. when do we see you again? >> i have a visit scheduled again for saturday. i'll try to call before then, no? >> okay. see you guys later. >> i love you. >> love you too baby. >> love you baby. >> excited about this. going from this to freedom out there, you know? i don't know what to expect when i get out, you know. >> coming up, conrad's mouth gets in the way of his parole. >> why do you guys expect to talk to us like this and then expect us to go okay. uh-huh. >> plus david had his fair share

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>> but for david it's a sight he will never see. >> i fell for a staff member and she got fired. >> this is paula. the love of my life. >> and i can't even have visitation. >> i met him while i was working . he's one of my patients. he's a real smart one. smart funny guy and i was too. i was fiesty back to him. that's what our playfulness with each other is what got david and i to start a friendfriendship. >> as the old saying goes you

can't help who you fall for. >> david and i had known each other for seven months when we finally got caught. >> an officer came up to me and told me that he thought there was some inappropriateties going on between david and a nurse, okay? so what i did is a pulled up his information on the computer. i had a bunch of phone calls and then i started listening to some phone calls and the name paula came up and paula happened to be the nurse that the officer told me about. >> they said that they recognized her voice on the telephone. we were communicating outside of the prison system. i didn't want to get her in any kind of trouble. but i couldn't stop communicating with her. there was no way that that was going to happen. >> one day i was out on my med run and one of the sergeants came and got me and said that the captain wanted to talk to me so we went on up there and when

we went up there they asked me if my cell number was a certain number and i said it was and they asked me if i had been talking to david and i said no. and they began to play a tape. >> after we played the tape for her, she confessed to everything. she confessed to having a relationship with him. >> i just didn't know what to do and they just said they wanted my badge and i was going to be escorted off the grounds and so i said okay and they took my badge and there i when. >> her security clearance was pulled and she is no longer allowed. >> why. >> for the fact that it's a threat to the security of the institution. >> i guess i didn't realize what a security threat they thought that i was being. i didn't think david and i were anything like that but who he is and his reputation i can understand their fear of what i could have done if he had ever

asked me to do something like that. but that was never what we were about. >> it puts everybody at risk. at a very high risk because they're letting out all our secrets and inmates don't tell us their secrets. we have to find them out and if somebody is telling them all our secrets it goes against us. it hurts us. >> it was a bad choice but i wouldn't take it back for anything. i think he's the best thing that's ever come into my life. >> although visits are out of the question, david and paula are allowed phone calls. >> he tries to call me once or twice a week and so that's pretty much the only time i can talk to him. >> i talk to her as much as i can through phone call. i just got my phone privileges back. >> we just connect. right and left hands and one doesn't work as well. i don't know how else to put it. he's my heart. >> it's a reason for me to change. to get out and be able to be

free with her. there's nothing else more important to me. nothing at all. >> coming up david finds a loophole in the system that could get him visits with paula. >> i love the fact that i'm getting married to the woman i love but i don't like the fact that my hand is being forced into that. >> and detention between one inmate and staff reaches a boiling point.

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so far. we'll watch that. for now back to lockup. i'm not hardcore. i want to be a comedy actor. >> i like to make people laugh. >> i'm handsome. >> nathan madrid is not the worst behaved inmate but he has his molts. >> i was talking to the phone. she told me to get off the phone. when she hung up on me, it just -- i just felt disrespected in every way.

so i started telling her off and for that i got a report. >> thdisrespect to the officerss a zero tolerance policy. it's not a good thing to practice. hello, the reason we brought you out here today is we're going to hold a management team meeting. i think you know why. misconduct report issued for threats verbal abuse and gestures. inmate madrid was on the phone 40 minutes. and told nathan to lock down for next shift. and i told him this is a directive and he was told five times. during this time the inmate is telling me at [ bleep ].

if you're writing me up i'm going to make it worth while. locked down and then started banging the door with the stool. continued for awhile. he was informed this would be a behavior log and misconduct report. okay mr. madrid this is very inappropriate behavior. >> i lost it. i was talking to my grandmother. she advised me she did her job. it didn't matter to me. >> you got to understand that your mouth keeps getting you in trouble. what you did was you put her authority in question in front of all the other inmates. >> before anything like this happens you should have come to me and said you know what i need to call or i need to do this and i need to be able to speak with my family but once you took it too far with amy, i know you have a habit of doing that because have been advised by some of the other staff members that you'll go off on them and then apologize for it.

>> you need to cut it out. so what we're going to do here is regress you to the beginning of the program. you're going to lose all of your privileges. and we'll see you here probably in six months if you're still he here. this is behavior that i'm not going to tolerate period. so what is going to happen now is we're going to put you back in the strip cage. the officer is going to back up your property and we're going to move you out of this unit. that's it. think twice before you do this again. >> it might have been a different story. >> i don't got nothing against you jackson. but when i said jackson you should have got in there and told her to quit yelling at me. but you didn't. her yelling at me in front of everybody is that right or what?

>> you lost it before she did. you know the truth, nathan. i have 2.5 of good time and if my lady is watching this and you don't want to wait for me, beat it. you know what i mean? >> did you just break up with your girlfriend? >> it's going to happen anyways. >> why? >> because she has been waiting for three years. she's not going to -- she's not going to understand this. but it's all good. it ain't about her. it's about me. i need to get right. >> we sat down to interview conrad salazar days away from his projected release about his recent parole hearing.

apparently it didn't go so well. >> you're camera hungry. anything to get on the camera. >> verbal abuse and gestures parole board. do you understand you have the right to remain silent. do you want to make a statement? >> yeah what's this report for. >> you told the lady on the parole board, [ bleep ]. >> for no reason. i just went off on this lady for no reason? >> you're entitled to put your statement and that's why i'm getting your version. >> okay. i asked her simply why she was putting me on provision. it was just setting me up to fail and she got upset and asked me why and i told her because the last time you put me on that i ended up shooting the cop because i couldn't hold down a job. she said you shot a cop, get him out of here. many two of these i got two of these. minor reports for verbal abuse. all women. why do you guys expect to talk

to us like this and then expect us to go okay. >> are you going to call any witnesses? >> yeah. i need to know who the parole board is. so i can ask them questions like if she started the confrontation. >> you can submit questions to me in writing but that's irrelevant. >> you said i want to know whether she initiated. >> write the questions and have them call me and i'll come back for them. >> all right. what does that do? keep me here another two or three months? i don't understand it. >> conrad's actions have delayed his pending release and now with months alone in his cell to stew on this fact it may be a recipe for disaster. after nearly ten years of producing the lockup series we learned safety is every prison's number within concern and the constant shake downs proves this prison is no exception to the

rule. >> so what we're doing this morning is there's information that there could be some possible problems in this unit so we're going to go in there and pull the inmates out and strip search them and take them to the yard and shake down the cells. make sure that you're looking for any drugs, any weapons. just be careful. these inmates are a little bit agitated so make sure that you work in twos pulling them out and make sure that you have your partner with you at all times. a lot of inmates like to hide stuff under the rim and with the mirror i don't have to get my hands in there. a lot of them like to put a razor blade in here right here. >> a lot of times there's space up here and the inmates will hide stuff. today it was a lighter. >> smuggled in by somebody.

if the inmate gets ahold of something that will ignite like an aerosol or something they can use it as a weapon. they can also basically burn up their whole cell if they wanted to. makes it real easy. >> so easy it happened not long ago. >> we received an emergency call over the radio that there was a fire over in r pod. >> just frustrated. just decided to light a fire, you know so staples in the electrical socket and prison match and just lit a bunch of linen and stuff on fire. >> as soon as we got up here i already had two officers and i immediately positioned myself at an angle here to extinguish the flames. >> i sat at the back of the room for awhile and when the room started getting full of smoke i just got the blanket and put my

head in the toilet and kept flushing the toilet to keep the air flowing. >> i dpaif the control center command to open the door 15 inches and by then i was already trying to get underneath the door up at the top. >> i knew he was going to be coming into my room so i was trying to stay as calm as i possibly could so i knew i was going to have to go a couple of rounds with them. >> as soon as the door had opened up i saw inmate luna on the floor had his head in the toilet. was motionless. i started spraying the inside of the door at that point in time when i was coming down inmate luna had gotten up and come out the door sideways. >> the door opened and he was holding the fire extinguisher trying to put out the fire.

>> once he did that, he came over. he took a swing and actually did hit me and i had taken the fire extinguisher and i had actually swung it in defense of myself and hit him in the head and he was still fighting. he was still trying to hit me so i grabbed his arm and the other officer already had his arm so we both had him like that and we actually had to take him down. >> i don't want to sit here boasting about it. it was just mindless. it was irresponsible. i got emotional and i acted without thinking and it lead to a lot of chaos. >> i was scared. i mean you never know. i mean, when we were boxing and he was punching me and i was blocking some of his punches but he was making contact and i didn't know if he was actually sticking me with a weapon. >> i ended up getting charged

with assault and battery and a staff member damage to property. got seriously hurt. and to me it's nothing personal. if i took things personal i cone come here every day. we're human, they're hul. they have a bad day just like we do. so you have to kind of understand that and realize that and give them their space and the next day is a new day. >> coming up, a family visit and going off on staff. >> then david and paula are getting hitched. >> i brought you application from the marriage policy. heartburn relief. the antacid goes to work in seconds... and the acid reducer lasts up to 12 hours

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>> we're getting a facility, he is coming to level five on a suicide watch. duri >> got to go through all of this just to see your family. >> since we met conrad he threatened staff twice and now he has threatened to take his own life forcing staff to move him into a medical observation cell. >> tell me this, did you threaten to commit suicide. >> it's the only way you can come over here. >> why? >> because i can't see my family, you know? they [ bleep ] up the paperwork. they'll tell you they din.

so now they have to pay overtimers and go through all of this just because they could have just let me see my family. >> conrad you're getting out in two months. >> no, that's what they say but they'll do everything in their power to keep me here. [ bleep ] so everything i can possibly do to make them work more. they took my tv and not get my visit all because i was kicking on the door to get their attention to come down. they put you in that position and then when you are trying to remedy it they come and punish you more. the level system, you know? change it back and let us do our time. this isn't helping me or society like this.

>> back on level 5 david is also finding it hard to see the love of his life. >> they refuse to give us visits because she is an ex-staff member here because of that the only way we'll be allowed to have visitation is if we, you know, get married. so we're going to work it out and try to get married over the phone. i love the fact that i'm getting married to the woman i love but i don't like the fact that my hand is being forced into that. it would be different. i would have more understanding if we had done anything illegal or if we had broken the law but we western transferring drugs or doing anything that they hold accountable to those individuals and i mean, the worst we're guilty of is falling in love. that's all. >> now how exactly does an inmate get married to a woman not allowed inside the prison. >> i brought you this

application from the marriage policy. do you want me to explain the process too? >> yeah. >> 60 days. they normally require 60 days from the date you submit the application until the date of the marriage. the marriage is done by proxy. you would be on one end of the phone and your fiancee would be on the other end of the phone with somebody that has the authority to marry you. the caseworker signs it, religious coordinator signs it, deputy warden and the warden. they also need a copy of the marriage license so that has to be obtained before you can actually get married. if you want a wedding ring it has to be approved through the chaplain to get it through the property officer to put it on your property and basically that's it. >> so i can turn that in as soon as possible? >> you can. that's why i'm hand delivering it to you. >> once that happens then i can have my visits, right? >> the policy allows you to have visits with your fiancee based

on the fact that she was an employee here before i believe that she was denied before this whole marriage thing came up. ultimately it's still going to be up to the warden though, okay? but she'll be a member of your family then, okay? so that makes it different, okay? >> okay. >> here it is. >> thank you. >> all right. see you. >> appreciate it. >> next the warden catches wind of david's plan. >> even if you get married we cannot allow the visits. >> then conrad finally leaves, just not the way he planned. >> it may cause you to self-urinate do you understand? three quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three quarters of a car?

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although it's a new day, not much changes. back in medical, joni brown pays conrad a visit. >> right now you're on suicide watch. >> i'm only here because i'm protesting. >> but you're using the system. if you're saying you aren't really going to commit suicide -- >> i didn't say that. i said i'm protesting. >> okay. all right. you're protesting by claiming that you're going to commit suicide? >> there's different ways of protesting. there's hunger strikes. my hunger strike didn't work. >> everything that you're doing, you end up paying for. you were almost to the door. what is your release date now? you have other reports pending. >> it's all because the way they put me in that position. >> it's always they put you in that position. you don't have to react that way. you don't. you want an instant answer. you want it to be resolved right

away. you know nothing works that way. nothing. >> i got 60 days. i'd rather do it right here where you can't keep nitpicking. and taking my time away. >> this isn't long term housing. you won't do it right here much. >> i'd rather do it here. leave me here. >> it's not going to happen. that's not the way it works. >> why are you going to put me back in there? >> because you're on suicide watch because mental health deemed that you need to be here. this isn't long-term housing. you can't be on -- >> i'd rather be in here. >> it's not going to happen. it's not going to happen. who's responsible for their actions? they can't make you do it. you have to do it and then there's consequences. you know how it is to be a short-timer. every little thing can set you off because it's jeopardizing you going home. we used to call it short [ bleep ]. >> there's a lot of high anxiety and i'm not going to say that there's not. >> so then you have to abide by the rules.

do what you need to do to earn your good time and get out. >> on a weekly basis i go through all of the facilities and visit with the inmates to see if there's any needs that they have that haven't been addressed through the regular line staff. >> i hear. let's open up the food port so we can talk. what do you need? >> i'm trying to get married. i'm trying to do everything that i can to do things the right way. >> right. >> now, i understand there's a situation to where she was a staff member. but what i'm asking you to look at is the fact that in a position that i had as a convict where i could have done things illegally, we didn't do anything but break policies. why would you deprive us of visits when we won't even have contact? >> well, one of the reasons is

you know that policy does not allow for anybody that was an ex-employee or ex-contractor to come back into the facility. irregardless of the nature. okay? inclusive of that is the fact that even if you guys got married legally, the department of corrections won't recognize that as something that we approve. so in other words, even if you get married, we cannot allow the visits. >> all right, well, how about this? can -- can i get you to talk to robert and get you and robert to maybe move me to central. i'm working on the last of 18. i'm trying to do good and stay focused. >> i'll tell you this. next january we'll have this same conversation and if you give me clear conduct between now and then, i'll seriously sit down and discuss it with you and probably at that point in time, i will call the warden and see if we can transfer you to central. >> i appreciate that. >> give me that time. >> yeah. i ain't got no problem with that. >> don't mess with my office or

any of my inmates. >> no. >> if you want to wait you can tell your fiancee maybe look for january and get you transferred out to central maybe you'll be allowed to do that over there. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> all right, thanks. >> we look at former employees coming in to visit an inmate as a security threat. simply for the fact that they have information that would be valuable to an inmate to aid them in an escape or to circumvent our systems that we have. you know, we had several years ago where a love affair happened where you know this woman even rented a helicopter and brought him into the old main facility yard to help him escape. you know, some people just -- you know, their love for these guys just grow so big that they'll do anything for them. humans are still humans. inmates are human. bottom line. >> anytime that you can reach a mutual understanding like that where there is at least hope,

that's the one thing that you don't want to take away from any human being, what he holds in high regard or what he has hopes for. i mean, love does a lot of things for people. it isn't just the fact of love. we all grow old and mature and grow, you know? i'm not trying to stay the same knucklehead i've been my whole life. i'm trying to do good and get back out in society again. >> after eight days on suicide watch, today conrad is being transferred to another prison. pnm's officials would not disclose the reason for his move. >> conrad salazar is being transported to central new mexico correctional facility. >> it's kind of a sad day to say good-bye to conrad?

>> it's always a happy day. >> to what? >> to say good-bye to conrad. >> yeah. this is an electronic mobilization device. 50,000 volts. it may cause you to self-urinate or self-defecate, understand? >> yes. >> conrad sees this relocation as another positive step towards his eventual release. >> this is where i'll do my last 60 days. you know, it's somewhere where i can focus on the street instead of getting umt and my visits taken and taken of no more reports. whether i can focus on getting out to the street. here it's not good for that. you know what i mean? you take care, no? 13450u

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