i quote, i'm going to do for the country what i did for my business. so let's take a look at what he did for his business. he's written a lot of books about business. they all seem to end in chapter 11. >> welcome to "morning joe." great to have you with us. willie, quite a day yesterday back and forth between hillary clinton, also donald trump.

interesting, yesterday, donald trump had a rapid response to hillary's attacks in realtime. i wonder if this may not be campaign 2.0 but start of the campaign in earnest. >> has he a small group that will react rapidly. today is the big hillary speech he had planned just after orlando postponed. he's going to respond to what she said yesterday and go after her in a larger way. mika has the day off. nicolle wallace isser. managing he hadder of post with all due respect at 6:00 p.m., mark halperin. legendary. >> it's time to stop. >> i think it's time. >> senior political editor white house correspondent for "huffington post" and new host of "way too early".

>> occasional host. >> i'm trying to sign him up for way too early. >> it's the hour you have to wake up. >> you're soo good. >> 2016 campaign turned into good old-fashioned attack politics with hillary clinton and donald trump trading blows realtime. today donald trump will deliver a speech critical of hillary clinton. he tweeted i'll be making a big speech for failed policies and bad judgment of crooked hillary clinton. it will follow hillary clinton's speech. she took on trump yesterday on his economic proposals. >> you might think that because he has spent his life as a businessman he'd be better prepared to handle the economy. well, it turns out he's dangerous there, too. just like he shouldn't have his finger on the button, he shouldn't have his hands on our economy.

liberals and conservatives say trump's ideas would be disastrous. the chamber of commerce and labor unions. mitt romney and elizabeth warren. economists on the right and the left and the center all agree, trump would throw us back into recession. he calls himself the king of debt. his tax plan sure lives up to that name. according to the independent tax policy center, it would increase the national debt by more than $30 trillion over 20 years. that's trillion with a t. and how would i pay for all this debt? well, he said, and i quote, i would borrow knowing if the economy crashed you could make a

deal. either like he said you know you make a deal before you go into a poker game. well, actually it's not like that at all. the full faith and credit of the united states is not something we just gamble away. >> that was entirety of the speech. perhaps most notable was the sudden emergence from realtime rapid response as joe mentioned. truch has been criticized in the past for not quickly and directly pushing back on clinton's attacks against him. yesterday trump's camp sent out rapid response e-mail while clinton delivered her attack lines. sent out a tweet that did not exactly sound like trump's other tweets. hillary says this election is about judgment. she's right. her judgment has killed thousands, unleashed isis and wrecked the economy. no crooked hillary, no

exclamation points. also announced launch of new website, lyingcrookedhillary.com. not up but expected to be rolled out over the following days. what do you make of this. big speech, rapid response. some of those numbers the last couple of days in terms of fundraising, ad spending or lack thereof in battleground states pretty staggering. >> pretty staggering. a loftus around the table were pretty stunned yesterday when you saw ohio and pennsylvania still pretty much a draw despite the fact donald trump has been playing horribly -- playing the game of politics horribly the last few weeks. yesterday made it even more fascinating that you actually did have a rapid response from donald trump and his team. mark halperin, before we talk about the rapid response, let's talk about hillary clinton's speech. let's talk about the discipline of the campaign we talked about in contrast to donald trump in the past before yesterday. she was talking a lot about

debt. it matches up with the 30-second commercial that's going all over the swing states they are targeting right now where donald trump is bragging about loving debt. he loves debt, king of debt. when you can't pay it, you negotiate well. this is a very coordinated message like foreign policy is coordinated and it has one bottom line to the american voter, that is donald trump is temperame temperamentally unfit to run your economy and donald trump is temperamentally unfit to have his finger on the button. she delivered that yesterday pretty well. >> she did. that's the message, take it from 20,000 to 30,000 feet. trying to give election referendum on donald trump. you saw in 2004 george bush win re-election. 2012 barack obama win

re-election. trying to deflect scrutiny, it's the most effective thing the clinton campaign is doing right now with their advertising, her speeches, their dealings with the media, social media, their surrogates. they are trying to get all the focus on donald trump. of course he's given them a lot to work with not just over the years but in the context of this campaign when he said things that lend them selves to put in 30 second ads and web videos. >> we saw rapid response from campaign. today we get big speech when he says for sometime. do you think he's been humbled at all in things he's seen. poll in battleground states are helpful to him. in terms of fundraising and balancing ground state advertising, what are we going to hear from him today? >> i think that we will see -- i would never use the word humble and donald trump in the same sentence but i think we'll see a post wisconsin donald trump. this has been the equivalent of that kind of blow to his

confidence and his inevitability. post wisconsin what did we see? he stuck to the teleprompter. we romanticized a little bit. not like he became an elevated statesman. he did lean more on the traditional tactics than shoot from the hip we've seep in the last few weeks. i don't think we should celebrate what is normal, it is normal for candidate to give a speech and have surrogates. what hillary clinton is doing is only stunning in contrast to the other side. >> what's the worst thing you can do to donald trump, humiliate him. last few weeks -- >> she started mocking him and i think that's whatted helped bring about this change. >> i did an interview once with howard dean. howard dean was talking about in

the primary he knew he had to change and become something more of an establishment figure. he had been insurrectionist, given barn burner speeches. he knew he couldn't do that, make the switch, loved the adoration and applause of audiences. when i watch donald trump i think about that. i wonder if he's able to go without adoration and love and response to the audience enough that he can become in the eyes of other voters a presidential figure and i'm not sure. joe. >> willie, one of the great challenges for donald trump right now is exactly that. donald trump will move on issues. he tried moving on the muslim ban about a month ago and then he got criticized on twitter. he tried moving on the nra issue last week after orlando saying 85% of americans, if you're on a watch list, you probably shouldn't be able to go in and buy a gun. he then backed up over the weekend after he got attacked on twitter.

this has happened several times for him. again, addicted to the adoration of small primary audience. small, that's a relative number, 30 million. he needs 65 million to win. right now he's addicted to that and he's got to figure out whether he's willing to cross them on some issues and put up with the pushback he's going to get on social media. >> talk of a new day started two days when he let go of corey lewandowski two days ago. the power center shifted to trump's three oldest children more comfortable as strategist paul manafort and priebus. top trump communication staffer hicks was with them. telling buzzfeed her presence,

quote, was about letting the world know donald trump personally supports corey. buzzfeed supports lewandowski said trump plans to add 100 to 150 staffers in the next few days and the shift is winning praise on capitol hill. changing the tune of senator bob corker who was dismayed by trump's tone just last week. >> what is kind of exciting is it appear to me that they are moving in a very different direction than they have been moving in. i've got to say that's pretty exciting to think about. >> mark halperin, i don't say this sarcastically. the bar is low for donald trump. it's been hard for him to slide under it day after day after day after day when it comes to getting republicans on capitol hill aboard. somebody like bob corker, a very serious man, is trying to give

donald trump the benefit of the doubt as are all republicans on capitol hill. so this shift comes really at an extraordinarily important time for he and his campaign. >> it does. you're right. with the exception of people who are in the never trump category still, they are looking for much to get on board. they recognize the convention is coming. even if they don't think trump's chances of winning the election are great, it's better for the party for everybody to be on board. candidate focus on win rather than answer for donald trump. so they define down what they expect from the campaign. the reality is, look, we can talk about fundraising and opposition research, so much to analyze every day in the campaign, trump needs to restore republicans at a sense that he can win or at a minimum that he can conduct his campaign in a way that won't hurt down ballots, going on the offense against hillary clinton and does it well will have that effect,

more republicans like corker will say, this is our nominee. let's encourage him when he does it well. >> mike, i heard you say wow there. what was your wow about? >> what bob corker's definition of exciting. >> super exciting 100 new staffers holy cow. it's such a low bar. the current staff breakdown is 685 hillary staffers, 69 trump staffers. adding 100 to 150. >> that's exciting. >> wake up early for that one. geez. >> don't be so in a bubble that you don't understand the voters -- >> watch out. >> that is not one of his political liabilities. his liabilities right now are in the category of racism scandal every 10 days the members have to rebuke him for. he doesn't have a problem with voters because he only have 100 staffers, voters have no idea why you would need 600 staffers. >> there is a lot of literature about this, about whether it

actually matters to have television ads up. >> literature. >> poly sci literature. >> hemingway rolled over in his grave. >> that's assuming each side has basic parity, one side spends money adding staffers and so does the other. this does matter if one side doesn't do it. >> i'm a campaign operative, i hear you. voters aren't saying he only has 150 staffers he's going to lose. voters adopt know or care how many you have in your headquarters. >> joe, how much do you think right now all involved, you just referenced this a few minutes ago. donald trump has today, and has always had since he began this campaign, almost like an addiction to the crowds that he speaks before. it's like they are a narcotic for him. you wonder now if he can kick that habit. use a teleprompter, be more professional, can he kick that

habit he has with 14, 16, 18 million people who are attracted to him? >> it depends. it depends whether he wants to be president of the united states. donald trump understands at this point that he has to change. he understands intellectually at this point what he's doing is going to lose the presidency to hillary clinton. he does understand that. he's listening to his family. he's listening to people who are close to him, and he's acknowledging, yes, i understand things have to change. he thinks the media is being unfair to him. he thinks he's getting a bad rap, but he understands what he's done. he understands that he's blown the last four or five weeks and he understands that things have to change quickly but believes he can do it between now and the convention and can reboot this entire campaign during the

convention. and who among us are in a position to second-guess whether, willie, that's the case or not. but it does at the end of the day come down to whether he can discipline himself and become the type of candidate at least his operation seemed to be where he was tweeting out a tweet with exclamation points and calling hillary clinton crooked hillary and slamming her hard on policy. it makes less to voters. it matters to the fundraising base he desperately needs to flock to his side right now if there's any chance of stopping hillary clinton from being the 45th president of the united states. >> he did take some steps. he started lyingcrookedhillary.com and questioned her faith which is something we're going to talk about next. the latest from donald trump taking on hillary clinton.

plus trump supporter dr. ben carson joining our conversation and number four democrat in the house, congressman javier and friday bernie sanders on set. first bill karins has a look at the forecast. hi, bill. >> today can be a dangerous day. we haven't had many dangerous tornado days this spring, unfortunately we could this evening. trailing thunderstorms and big storms in central illinois. right now between peoria and springfield, a lot of lightning with them. hundreds of lightning strikes over the last hour. that's waking a lot of people up early in central illinois. for today this is round one. round two is this afternoon. this is the bull's eye, this area of red with the orange surrounding it. that's the strong risk and enhanced risk of severe weather. 61 million people are in the risk of severe storms. the worst of it will start in areas of iowa, southern wisconsin, northern illinois. this is our greatest tornado threat. peoria, quad cities and chicago and kankakee as we go through the evening.

then a damaging wind threat northern indiana and ohio late this evening. probably right into the overnight hours. this is the map that shows the tornado threat and greatest threat this 10% risk here of ef-2 to ef-5, strong tornado, most deadly northern illinois, southern wisconsin later on this afternoon. more like around 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. this evening. new york city, new england is looking just fine. there's big storms yesterday down around d.c. you'll get a break for more storms later this evening. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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donald trump in manhattan yesterday where he met with a group of evangelical christian leaders. >> willie, can i ask you a question here? >> sure. >> i'm a little insulted. i mean, this is maybe the first meeting of religious leaders in 10 years where you and i haven't been invited. we usually lead the procession

in. why do you think we were snubbed this year? >> i think we were blackballed after the incident in venezuela. you know what i'm talking about, a couple years back, you and me. >> you don't think -- >> you don't think they saw pictures on instagram. >> in venezuela we worship differently in venezuela than we worship other places. i wish they would stop being so phobic. >> in a video of the meeting with donald trump yesterday provided by pastor e.w. jackson we should know supported ted cruz in the primaries, trump appears to directly question hillary clinton's faith. >> hillary in terms of religion. she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no -- there's nothing out there. it's going to be an extension of obama but it's worse.

with obama you had your guard up. with hillary you do not and it's going to be worse. >> we haven't seen exactly what was said before the shot, part of the assertion republican candidates beliefs are examined more closely than those of democrats. this not the first time donald trump's has raised doubts about an opponent's faith. he's done for barack obama, mitt romney, dr. ben carson and ted cruz. >> to the best of my knowledge, not too many evangelicals come out of cuba. remember that. >> i'm presbyterian, that's down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. seven day adventists i don't know about it. >> he's a choke artist. are we sure he's a mormon? i'm not sure. he choked. >> asked to clarify trump told nbc, i don't know much about it. somebody asked me the question. i didn't bring it up. somebody asked me the question. according to nbc, nobody asked

the question. trump won a standing ovation for his pledge to appoint pro-life justices to the supreme court. fox news reporter sterns noted there was no mention of jesus. some leaders held out support for press conference afterwards. >> some of the people were saying let's pray for our leaders. i said, well, can you pray for your leaders and i agree with that. pray for everyone. what you really have to do is pray to get everybody out to vote for one specific person. and we can't be, again, politically correct and say we pray for all of our leaders because all of your leaders are selling christianity down the tubes, selling evangelicals down the tubes and it's a very, very bad thing that's happening. >> i guess by a show of hands or however you'd like to do it, how many of you have already or are willing to say you'll support donald trump and offer your endorsement? okay.

>> well, nicole, in my experience that means absolutely nothing. that means if there's seven people up there, all seven are voting for trump and they will whisper to the person when they leave the room, i'm voting for trump. i say that only because everywhere i go whenever mika will try to get people to show, raise your hands, how many people voting for trump. nobody ever raises their hands. then you leave and they go, i'm voting for trump, i'm voting for trump. >> the better question how many know somebody voting for trump. the whole room will raise their hand and that's how you get half the country. these meetings are weird, the setup for them. >> they are weird. donald trump is extraordinarily clumsy when it comes to dealing with evangelicals based on my 20 years in politics and of dealing with evangelicals and seeing other people deal with evangelicals. but i talk to evangelicals and

they -- a lot of evangelical leaders, they don't care. they believe there is a war of faith between christianity and islam and donald trump is on their side and he's willing to call out islam. i think after that, planned parenthood is a footnote. i believe in this community there is a belief there's a war of civilizations, a war of religion and donald trump is the only person in america will to stand up and say, i'm on your side. >> here is the other thing about evangelicals. we sort of in the media, not around this table but in many corners talk about them like they are other. they are among the most pragmatic, savvy and educated voters who participate in not just presidential cycles but voters. they want to win. conversation before iowa, how is it ted cruz and donald trump are

close with evangelicals. evangelicals are among one of the largest groups to realize that the alternative in hillary clinton is certain to disappoint them. so that in donald trump they would have someone to appoint conservative judges. they actually as voters, this is a meeting with their leaders, i thought that was an awkward scene they didn't raise their hand, evangelical voters in primary after primary went in and voted for donald trump. >> not to echo everything that's been said here but let me echo it. my colleague called these people because we were curious, not just trump's personal his and how that jives with the evangelical voting bloc but two, evangelical and ban on refugees are antithetical to the evangelical community. p we wondered how they were squaring this. it was about practicigmatismpra. they think they can bring trump over.

they think hillary clinton is a worse proposition. they will get in line behind donald trump because they don't really have the option. they are not up on the dais saying i'll support the guy. >> they did have an option. when ted cruz was there they voted for donald trump as well. >> you know, i've been, willie, in a lot -- been to a lot of political events inside southern baptist churches and i've seen a lot of people go up and start quoting bible versus and talk about how close they are to jesus and i just look around people in the pews and they are kind of rolling their eyes, okay, great, we get it. you're talking down to us. yes, you love jesus, we love jesus, now what are you going to do for us in washington. they are just -- they want to know, what are you going to do for us. don't tell me about your conversion when you were 14 years old. tell us what you're going to do

for my 14-year-old right now. how are you going to help me pay his way through college four years from now when it's time. that's what a lot of people miss. and they miss this whole evangelical donald trump mix. >> evangelicals willing to overlook some of the personal things in donald trump's life because they believe what you said. they will fight for him. a lot of people feel the culture is slipping from their grasp p. back and forth over religious leaders continued owned social media after jerry falwell tweeted a photo of himself and wife in trump's office saying he was honored to introduce him. observers pointed out a "playboy" magazine was visible over his wife's shoulder. same hypocrites to accused jesus of publicans and sinners to be targeting over a decades old magazine cover. chimed in saying, quote, that's not the text, pastor. jesus came to comfort the poor

and humble not bow before those claiming worldly strength. that's kind of a dumb controversy, isn't it? >> he buys "playboy" for the covers. >> that is actually sort of a dumb twitter controversy to say the least. no, actually i think the pastor had it right. jesus was criticized for hanging out with sinners, and people asked why do you hang out with sinners. jesus said that he came to heal the sick, not the healthy. but jesus was regularly criticized, with all due respect to senator sass, regularly criticized for hanging out with sinners. going to parties where sinners were. so this self righteousness is unbecoming. >> we're going to talk a little soccer, joe. i know how pumped you were, big match last night. >> let's not do that.

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a little bit of breaking news this morning out of the world of sports. four-time champion rory mcilroy says now he will not compete at

rio olympics because of his concerns over zika virus. the golfer released statement early this morning saying, quote, after speaking to those close to me i've come to realize my health and my family's health comes before anything else, even though risk of infection from zika virus is low, it is a risk nonetheless and a risk i'm unwilling to take. i wonder how many athletes will follow his lead. that opens the door. to soccer, copa america semifinals built up as huge deal for soccer, over argentina will go down as one of the most significant ones in the history of u.s. soccer but want meant to be. the world's top ranked team bu put usa's impressive tournament to an end argentina making quick work of usa scoring first goal into the mass. this beauty from lionel messi, maybe the best player in the world, taking advantage of the penal. look where he tucks it into the corner on a free kick.

historic goal, 55th goal of mess issues's career makes him argentina's all-time top scorer and that's saying something for original continue. argentina netted another two goals, shutting out u.s. with 4-0 victory. close out with a third place match saturday night. argentina meanwhile will face either colombia or chile in sunday's final. joe, u.s., obviously would have been a shocker if they won. what did you think about last night? >> nobody expected united states to beat argentina last night, messi and argentina. at the same time they probably expected a little better performance than that. jurgen klinsmann who was brought on board to really turn this team around has had some ups an downs over the past year. this will raise a lot of questions over the next year or two going into the preparation for the world cup. they simply face the best, the best in the world, one of the best players in the world and it shows that u.s. soccer, men's

soccer still has a long, long way to go. back to the drawing board. >> feels like we're about to turn the corner every four years or so these events, men's soccer, women are totally dominant and excel. what do you think it's going to take, joe, for the u.s. to get into that top tier? >> you know, that's really hard to say. i think a lot of it just has to do with our sports culture. a lot of kids love playing soccer when they are the age of your son and my son. but when they get to high school, they start playing -- >> basketball. >> don't take it into college. if you're in argentina, brazil, a lot of these countries, you've got kids, england, you've got kids that grow up from the time they are 3 years old with a soccer ball at their foot. that's just not the culture here. as our good friend frank fore says in the united states, soccer is the only place in the world -- soccer is the -- it's

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so willie yesterday we obviously showed some polls we brought up this morning about how things are a little closer in the rust belt states than we expected, especially ohio and pennsylvania. some surprising numbers. donald trump doing much better than expected especially when you look at the last couple of weeks. i understand there's a focus group that might explain why. >> these poll numbers are pretty amazing, rust belt, running neck and neck, tied there. clinton has slight advantage in the decidedly blue state of pennsylvania which hasn't gone for a republican since 1988. quinnipiac polls. 42-41 split there can possibly be explained by a new focus group from annenberg center in pennsylvania. they mixed and got together a group of trump and clinton voters and found what the working class voter thinks about these candidates. >> i think he puts himself out there. we might not agree with the things he says but i feel like he does have a sense of honesty

to him. i know that sounds funny but he's trump. when you call him out for something, granted he doesn't handle it professionally but he admits his wrongdoing most of the time. >> when an interviewer asks him a question, a lot of politicians would dodge that question and say i can't answer that, i'll get in big trouble. trump just answers it. >> not a politician. >> everybody hammers him for it because they can't believe he said that. at least he answered the question. >> he's a person. >> don't say, that donnell. i don't care. >> he's unapologetic, which i think is kind of nice because it's a change from these dirty politicians. he's not that. >> it makes me feel comfortable and safe and i like to listen to him. i think he has common sense. he speaks my language, just the way he is. he seems like a normal person to me. >> i think he's a little bit of a hothead honestly, so i don't

want to necessarily get him in office to blow north korea off the map. i would worry about his temper maybe. >> if you say the wrong things and you're too fast on what you say to another nation, it can cause a war. >> i think he's honest in the way maybe a child is honest because they don't know any better and they haven't learned. childish is the term i would describe the way he conducts himself in general. >> the allies of the other countries that don't care for him, if that would affect us, i'm not sure. but they say there's a lot of countries that don't care for him. but it's not their country, it's ours. i think he wants to protect us. >> i don't understand how you're commander in chief with no experience under you. it just doesn't make scene. i wouldn't go tomorrow and lead a law firm.

it's not sensible. >> he's been doing beauty pageants and running businesses. he doesn't know how to run a country, to rid the country of terrorists. like what class did he take? >> so nicole, obviously pros and cons there. certainly on the pro side, it's something i've heard for a long time. people actually taking what those of us in manhattan or washington, d.c., would be critical of trump on and actually turning that into a positive. again, there were some negatives there as well. but i've been truck by how many people say, sure, he's inexperienced. sure, he says politically incorrect things. but maybe we need a guy like that in the white house right now. >> voters are so smart. whenever we scratch our heads here in new york city or anywhere along the corridor, you really have to get out for a day or hour and talk to people. they see everything.

they see all the political incorrect stuff he does. they know exactly what he's been doing, running beauty pageants. they like the outsider status. i wrote down, you know, it's not their country, it's ours. all these people make people in the foreign policy establishment which i thought was a real vulnerability with him uncomfortable with him as commander in chief. voters have baked that into the cake. they understand the pros and cons of him in a much more sophisticated way than we give them credit for doing. >> mark, one of the voters there said he's a normal person. by that he means he's not a politician which has been the rational for his entire case. despite the negative things going around his campaign for the last three weeks, when he sees polls like that, comments like that in the states that matter, he's got to be encouraged. >> you look at why is he doing in ohio and pennsylvania in national polls and greater poll, it's greater support amongst

independents and men's. you see in those focus groups and two rust belt state polls a possibility of putting together a package where you win romney states, midwestern states, then have you to find a faw more wins. if he can find a way to turn this back more on hillary clinton than himself, he can make it competitive again before the convention which would be a big shot in the arm to donors and the media. >> you can see the thrust of the clinton campaign in comments from the focus group. not a politician, unipol getting, i like to listen to him, he speaks my language. you can see hillary clinton with 30 years of luggage, baggage she's carrying into this campaign going for what we also heard. he's honest in a way a child is honest. he has no experience. he doesn't know how to run a country. you can see how clinton campaign will honey in on that.

>> it's trade and jobs, a manufacturing base that is really underpinning all this stuff. trump hammered clpt on it relentlessly. bernie did the same. if there is a vulnerability for her, that's it. plain and simple. >> the side of clinton said it's the economy stupid and also change versus more of the same. that is voters want change and hillary clinton has got to figure out how to deal with that. coming up ben carson dropped out of the presidential race three months ago yet his campaign has more cash right now than donald trump's. dr. carson joins us to talk about that and a lot more straight ahead on "morning joe." . homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and i'm a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve.

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a day after four gun control measures failed to pass senate a coalition of senate and republican lawmakers are backing a new bill. senator susan collins unveiled bipartisan legislation that would prevent people on two government watch lists, including the no fly list from buying firearms. seven other senators are listed as co-sponsors of the bill. the lawmakers acknowledged yesterday they would most likely be pushback from gun rights advocates. >> i own ar-15. if you're on this list it doesn't bother me you can't buy one right away. to my friends at the nra, i understand your concern about denying somebody the right to buy a gun that's a constitutional right. but every right, whether speech or buying a weapon or any other

constitutional right has boundaries on it. >> joe, the option to this obviously is that these could be arbitrary lists, whether it's no fly or watch lists and you're denying someone due process taking away their second amendment right. >> there's such amazing hypocrisy. you've got fbi that's getting kicked around because they investigated a guy a couple of times and then let him go, and he ended up killing 49 people. the same people in the same breath are saying, you know, if you have a suspected terrorist on government anti-terror list, they have constitutional right to buy guns. no, they don't. they shouldn't. this is easy. nine out of ten americans believe this is a very simple proposition, that people on terror watch lists should not be able to just walk into stores and buy ar-15s. so it's a madness. i'll be honest with you, even as

a conservative guy that had 100% rating with the nra, i just don't get the extreme. we are in a war against terror. that war has come to the homeland. we still have people acting like it's 1999. they need to grow up. >> one of the provisions we should opponent out in the collins idea, can you appeal if you're on that watch list. it is arbitrary, some people thrown on there, denied their rights. you can appeal you shouldn't be on the list in the first place and be allowed to apply for a gun. >> eliminates john cornyn's same deal on his amendment -- >> due process. >> within 72 hours to rule on it. gets by that. one of the elements joe you just mentioned hypocrisy, the origins of the tea party, if you look back at the origins of the tea party, was always framed up with the phrase, listen to the people. that's what the tea party group

used to say all across this country, in small towns and big cities. listen to the people. why don't they and others listen to the people on gun control legislation. >> the other thing, mike, if you have 92% supports expanded background check, 85% support not giving a gun to people on the list, that includes a whole lot of legal gun owners. a whole lot of people who legally own guns. >> there's something very arbitrary about government creating a list with duplicate names that people aren't even sure they are on saying, no, you can't have this. >> that's why the legislation has to have a fix. >> susan collins addresses that. i don't dismiss concerns people have about this. >> nobody does. >> sam, you're such a gun nut. you know what? why don't you just go to a gun show. >> he's packing right now. >> sam is doing to a pawn shop right after. >> i went this morning.

>> again, willie, the thing is this isn't just liberals and democrats that are saying the same thing we're seeing except for sam stein, it's gun owners and republicans. time and time again, you see poll after poll after poll that shows 85, 86, 87% of republicans support expanded background checks. 80, 81, 82, 83% of republicans support keeping guns out of the hands of suspected terrorists. this is easy. this is the sort of thing people are going to look back, scratch their heads, and ask, what the hell were they thinking the next time another huge terror attack happens in this country. we're living in an age of terror and we have all these people that want taos bend over backwards, do all these things that make civil libertarians nervous and yet they don't want to even keep ar-15s out of the hands of suspected terrorists

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being president. there's up to eight anti-hillary films and some seem familiar. first is "the devil wears talbot's." second, "it's a wonderful laugh." the third is, "you've got mail." >> welcome back to "morning joe." a lot of possibilities there, will. >> what's wrong with talbot's, guys. i like a good talbot's. june 27th, mika has the morning off. still with us on set communications director for george w. bush nicolle wallace, msnbc contributor and so much more mike barnicle, editor for "washington post" as nicole like to call him, boy in the d.c. bubble, sam stein. and joining the conversation "new york times" reporter peters and msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. all right. let's dive right in. yesterday 2016 presidential campaign turned into good old-fashioned attack politic with hillary clinton and donald

trump trading blows in realtime. today trump the deliver a speech critical of hillary clinton. he tweeted yesterday i'll be making a big speech to discuss failed policies and bad judgment of crooked hillary clinton. it will follow hillary clinton's speech. she took on trump yesterday on economic proposals. >> so what would trump do? he said he wants to wipe out tough rules we put on big banks. he said they created a, quote, very bad situation. he also wants to repeal the consumer financial protection bureau, the new consumer watchdog that senator warren helped create. he'd rig the economy for respect again. that will not happen on my watch. i can guarantee you. >> let me just ask you in the same timeframe you raised $3 million. mitt romney raised $23 million in that timeframe, john mccain $20 million and up against

hillary clinton that raised $25 million. >> she's getting her money from wall street and special interest. i'll be honest, i've never raised money for this because i've never done it before. i think i'd be very good at it. as far as i'm concerned i'll be -- >> will you spend another $50 million in the general or more. i might. i really might decide to do that. >> notable is the realtime rapid response as well from the trump campaign. trump has been criticized in the past for not quickly and directly pushing back against clinton's attacks on him. yesterday his campaign sent out several rapid response e-mails while clinton delivered her attack lines. during the speech noted it wasn't the old trump voice. quote, hillary says this election is about judgment. she's right. her judgment has killed thousands, unleashed isis and wrecked the economy. that's pretty strong. >> softer gentler donald trump. >> not sure what was soft about that. also announced launching of any

website, address, lyingcrookedhillary.com. not working yet, save your self the trip. it is expected to be rolled out over following days. >> the attempt to continue to try to pivot goes forward. we'll see what happens. i do know yesterday nicole, shrewd on their part. donald trump talking about matching dollar for dollar up to $2 million anybody that contributes money. i had several people tell me, including my brother, that he made a contribution. he was very excited about the fact that donald trump was doing it. this is the sort of thing that people in d.c. and manhattan laugh at, and it is the sort of thing that charges up the troops. say, yes, you know what, i've got $35. that would be like me contributing $70 because my candidate is going to match it dollar for dollar. >> we're going to get your

brother and my parents. my parents have been disgusted last four weeks by trump's candidacy. they are heartened when they are reminded this is a guy not bought and paid for by lobbyists. this is not a guy who is scripted by operatives, hacks, people like me. i was with ken yesterday. gave a speech, most amazing thing about what trump has accomplished, he doesn't have anyone in either of the jobs ken and i held. he at the moment doesn't have a campaign manager and at the moment doesn't have communications director. we do sort of laugh and giggle at our own -- the joke will be on us. i think when he does things like this, put his own money in the campaign, he reinforces the very thing people like about him. the trick is to expand the base of people like your brother and my parents to new voters but he's on the right track with moves like that. >> kasie hunt, you were at hillary clinton's speech yesterday. talk a little bit about her strategy right now going after a

specific policy. >> well, look, i think this particular speech was a follow on to her national security speech. they felt like she really got into a groove criticizing donald trump. you could tell she was in a little bit of that groove. in that speech yesterday she at one point talked about how she was getting all this research from her aides to write the speech and she looks down it and says, really? he really actually said that? there were some authentic moments there. i do think the territory is a little trickier potentially defending obama economic record will it's a little tough because a lot of people aren't feeling all those statistics that say the economy should be recovering. i think the question is what happens now as donald trump's campaign starts to pivot. one thing i want to mention to you all. trump is set to go to scotland later this week to open this new golf course which doesn't

totally fit with this idea he's going to continue to be more presidential. this is something he wants to go and do for himself. you'll remember mitt romney went abroad because he wanted to attend the olympics. they added extra trips. things didn't move along so well. as this moves forward hillary clinton is seriously considering a trip abroad for her before the convention. for clinton a trip like that would really be one that would underscore her strengths as opposed to try to shore up some weaknesses like romney did, for example. >> jeremy, both joe and nicole mentioned trump's exercise in self-funding. i'll match your contribution. it does activate the base. i think you're right about that. but it is june 22nd. >> he's running against the clock for sure. trump can try to fix all of these systemic problems with his campaign and they are man fold. you can try to fix the

fundraising, surrogate operation, try to buy advertising. ultimately donald trump is not going to ties himself out of this problem. he is the one who needs to correct himself, because tomb and time again you've seen when trump takes, you know, what appears to be a near fatal blow, it's self-inflicted. >> always. >> i really do think the only one who can take donald trump out is donald trump. it's not going to be the priority super pac. it's not going to be hillary clinton and her attack ads, although that hurts around the margins. so the only person who can help correct donald trump is going to be donald trump. >> see what he says in the speech today. joining us outside trump soho hotel in new york city nbc news correspondent hallie jackson, hallie, it's been a wild couple of weeks on the trump campaign, wild couple of days. what can we expect today? >> reporter: i've been speaking with sources in the campaign,

o one said aide, here is the topic, trade, terror, human rights, particularly drawing a link between economic policies and clinton's policies on immigration and how that would affect broader u.s. economy. this is expected to be as one person put it, full frontal assault on hillary clinton, all in attack countering what kacyie has been talking about, talking about business record. the bottom line when it comes to the theme of what we expect to hear from today's speech, hillary clinton is simply not fighting, trump will argue, for every day americans. she's a creature of wall street and a creature of washington. the setting at soho, this is different. these are lines we've heard from trump on the campaign trail before. i don't know we're going to hear anything particularly brand-new. but it is different and this is going to be a smaller, more intimate setting, not as raucous as what we typically see. it's likely he'll read from teleprompter the prepared remarks as you know.

what we've seen from trump and aides say trump is more comfortable staying in script in these type of settings. interesting venue, soho, ninth trump property we've been to in the cycle. trump choosing this presumably to get away from the big scenes he would create if he were to do it as a rally or somewhere else, things of that nature. he's hoping to turn the page on what has been a rough week, firing of campaign manager corey lewandowski, low fundraising numbers. this is considered the start of maybe trump 2.0. we've said that before, talk about trump 2.0. there's a sense the campaign is trying to work to proffize. you saw that, his responses to clinton's speech yesterday. his team getting out there, doing the live tweeting, getting out p rapid responses. ten e-mails through the course of the speech, through the course of the day trying to combat different points she's made. this is nothing ground breaking considering most political

campaigns do this and have done it for a long time. for donald trump it's new. as part of that rapid response you saw him get out on instagram with this video. listen to what he had to say when hillary clinton was going after him particularly on debt. >> hillary clinton is only right about one thing. i understand debt and how to handle it. i've made a fortune with debt. but debt for this country is a disaster. and obama has piled it on and she's been there watching. >> so trump after this will deliver the speech here in new york. he heads to scotland, don't forget, later in the week for his first real overseas trips since becoming gop nominee. >> hallie jack, should be interesting day in soho, latest fec deadline forcing candidates to open up books donald trump's dismal fundraising numbers have spawned fundraisers and trump to action, trump sent first fundraising e-mail, first ever, pledging to personally match every dollar donated within $48 up to $2 million. that's what nicole and joe were

talking about. in interviews last night trump revised the suggestion that he will personally fund his campaign and attack clinton for taking big money donations. >> i'll be honest, i've never raised money before for this because i've never done it before. i think i'd be very good at it. as far as i'm concerned, i'd be very happen to continue to sell funds. >> are you going to continue to sell funds? >> i may. >> how much? >> i don't know. i can do whatever i want. she's going to spent $1.2 billion on an election. i'm trying to say, where do you spend that money. remember this, i spent $50 million and won. other people spent many times that amount and they lost, not even close. when she raises this money, every time she raises money she's making deals. can i be the ambassador to this, that, make sure my business is taken care of all the money she raises, that's blood money. >> i'm not sure what that means, blood money.

he'll have to explain that a little better for us all. i want to ask you, is it too late as far as money goes for donald trump? is he living in an alternate political universe where he doesn't have to raise all the money everybody else has to raise? >> he doesn't have to raise the money if he doesn't plan to have a campaign. you know what he thinks about data, useless and silly, get message out to rallies, doesn't plan to target voters. when he sees polls in different states he may have a different opinion about the value. i'm afraid we're holding the bar so onlow for trump we're suggesting he's jumped over it and back in this thing. all the fundamental things still exist, summoned to his office, made one staff change, fired a guy, still hasn't replaced him with a new person. so you know, in calling hillary clinton's fundraising, which is what literally everybody does, they raise money. there are a lot of ways we know the money comes from, he's still

crossing a lot of lines for a lot of people. >> yes. this was my general point. the blood money, i don't quite know what it means. >> bought and sold. >> a broader point, sometimes less is more. you can deliver attack lines and they will be more effective if you don't go over the top with them. suddenly if you do go over the top, you become the story. look at trump's response to the orlando attacks. the suggestion that barack obama either empathized or knew about the attack really detracted from the message he wanted to send about anti-isis counter-terrorism. >> which is a strength for him. he's actually -- >> maybe the solution is really sticking to the teleprompter. maybe that's it. maybe it's doing less tv hits because he tends to go off on tangents. >> i'm told that's not -- >> less sometimes can be more. >> he can't do it. >> jeremy, back to the money. he says i don't understand why you have to raise a billion

dollars for run a campaign. there's a reason people raise money, to run a campaign you have to answer attacks in battleground states going completely unanswered right now. will he go out and start conventionally raise money. >> he's shown an aversion to it so far. he doesn't want to go and raise places like my newspaper reported, told maggie he one do a fundraiser in a place he can't have a big rally. it's not in his nature to pick up the phone and sweet talk donors. he'd much rather be out there revving up the crowd and taking in all of the adoration that he's getting from the masses. that is what the campaign is to him. that's what's been successful for him. >> here is the thing. you can do a campaign this way like bernie sanders did if you build fundraising, small donner apparatus, grassroots fundraising campaign. that e-mail he sent was certainly the beginnings of it. he's not put any of the

infrastructure or online commitments to build something like this. it's very hard to imagine a billionaire doing that. >> joe can attest to this far better than anyone around the table can. perhaps humbling aspect is for somebody to get on the phone and ask somebody for money. that is not donald trump. >> it's really not. i mean, it's not donald trump because so much of that has to do with getting a no and saying, okay, i understand. i'll get back to you. i think every no donald trump got will be followed by an insult, a threat, and a tweet. that takes a lot of time. >> in that order. >> you know, i always went back to you have to be humble in victory. i told the story here before.

after i won a really, really tough race. the first thing i did was call my opponent and say i didn't deserve to win. you deserve to win any year but 994 you would have won. i know i'm not going to win the election without you. it's just not possible. i need your help. it's just something that i don't think is in donald trump's personality. i think dialing for dollars, i think it's the same way. that's going to be a real problem getting from here to there. again, the question is, and nicole is a person that knows this better than anybody else. can you run a general election campaign without having money to do it? it seems like i'm asking the question like can you fly a plane without wings. i just don't think it can be done. >> i mean, i don't know. i don't know. because every time someone like me has said something has to be the way it's been he defied it.

i think he can make incremental steps towards the normal campaign. i think the really big thing he has to fix in the immediate -- we talked yesterday about a pivot. it's not hard to pivot when your campaign is skeletal and one guy making the decisions. can he pivot? of course he can. can he build up a normal kind of campaign infrastructure? absolutely not. can he do enough, though, to turn the states mark halperin is talking about? maybe. >> kasie hunt how can he change the dynamics, with a speech about hillary clinton, laid out, talk about issue, trade, terrorism, cgi, thing he wants people to focus on to get the attention off him. >> yeah. what i'm going to be listening for in that speech is whether or not he continues with any of these personal attacks he's focused on hillary clinton. i know a lot of people around him have been trying to get him to hold off, at least until the fall on a lot of that stuff. they are not sure it's the most effective way to continue to

prosecute this campaign. i'm interested to see if he can stick to the script and how he out lined as what he was going to say. i will say, though, one giant caveat on all of this. the clinton campaign, despite how good the past couple of weeks have been for them, they still believe this is going to be a fundamentally close election and this is going to swing back and forth over the course of the next couple of months, this narrative, and those presidential debates are in particular potential pivot points or places where we could really see the thing turned on it's head in ways we're all talking about what to expect. i think it could surprise everybody. >> good to remember. long time between now and election day. kasie hunt, thanks so much. jeremy, thank you as well. still ahead steve kornacki joins the table. plus former presidential candidate ben carson will be our guest. we'll ask him about the changing direction of the trump campaign. more "morning joe" in just a moment. >> not only a jobs number but

obviously what happened in orlando and the terror that's facing this country and throughout the world, a lot of soft balls coming down the pike where they should have just hit it out of the park. instead they are focusing on things quite frankly people don't care about, but democrats will throw out these kind of mine fields. that lack of experience got them bogged down. hopefully we'll be going in a different direction. instead of talking about the jobs number, he's talking about a civil case. why? he should have been hammering away, hammering away because hillary clinton wants to extend that obama legacy of poor job growth. there are two billion people

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interestingly, trump's own products are made in a lot of countries that aren't made in america. trump ties are made in china. trump suits in mexico. trump furniture in turkey. trump picture frames in india. trump barware in slovenia, and i could go on and on but you get

the idea. i'd love to hear him explain with all that talk about america first. >> it's true. you know why? they devalue their currencies and makes it impossible for companies to compete. she doesn't have to say it. i say it all the time. unfortunately my ties are made in china. i will say this, the hats, "make america great again" i searched long and hard to find somebody who made the hats in this country. >> hillary clinton going after donald trump yesterday for the location of where some of his merchandise is made. marco rubio's communication director tweet add photo with one of donald trump's hats with made in america. he tells david muir he couldn't find made in america hats, he should have asked marco rubio. joe. >> you know, steve, a lot of the talk over the past couple days we've had when it comes to

polling had to do with industrial swing states, so-called rust belt states that lost millions of manufacturing jobs over the past 20, 30, 40 years. this is an issue you think would play into hillary clinton's hands in these states but right now donald trump doing very well, i would say, performing in pennsylvania and ohio. >> those swing state polls got competition, early ark lot of volatility, haven't had the convention. let's see how these numbers shake out in a little while. you look at pennsylvania and ohio, these are two states barack obama carried both times. you look at hillary clinton having a few good weeks here. you look at donald trump having the last few weeks from hell for him, you might expect margins to be wider in these states. one thing that comes to mind, it feels every four years we don't know the story of the election until the day after the election. i think back to 2000, it was

after the 2000 election this concept of red states and blue states we know now. only after we lived through that election that we got red state, blue state we know now. is this suggesting with donald trump at the head of the republican ticket the electoral map is going to end up looking different after this election, substantially different than we've gotten used to over the last decade, decade and a half where industrial states become a lot more competitive for republicans. maybe a state like florida that has been a lot more competitive, where mitt romney came within a point of winning. you see this poll, 8, 9 point hillary clinton lead now. maybe a state like that, starts to fall away from the republicans. we might get more fluidity in the electoral map than we've seen in the last few elections. at least one possibility it raises for me. >> you bring up mark halperin mitt romney, john mccain before john mccain, or go back to bob

dole. or even george h.w. bush in 1992. those are guys of privilege. those are geese who fathers helped run the navy or helped run the united states or car companies or the state of michigan. there's no reason for a working class voter in ohio or pennsylvania to go, you know what, i'm going to go out and vote for that guy. donald trump actually has as your bloomberg focus group showed six months ago actually has working class voters attentions and that does shake up the map the same way trump people said for a long time, shake up the map. >> if he can execute with independents, mitt romney independents, there's opportunity for male voters, working class voters, there's something there. we can criticizes ,000 things but trump campaign and all of

that will discom bob late republicans. the polls suggest he's in this. polls are right when they say this will be a close race because the country is divided. those ohio and pennsylvania polls are a reality that are driving this. trump needs to narrow the gap nationally. >> were you surprised by those polls like i was? >> i mean sure. the fact they are tied but not that he's closer. again, as steve said, florida is going to be -- there's a more diverse state. trump's strength with men, white working class voters, immigration message that plays well, it's still electoral votes even if he keeps the race close. those states are just going to be better for trump than some of the more diverse states. that's why steve is talking about the map. states like colorado and florida, maybe even virginia that have been part of republican calculus about how to

get to 270, those are tougher for trump. therefore he has to go looking, inside straight to 270 with rust belt states and a few others. >> can i just say maybe we should not put so much stock into one set of quinnipiac polls, also inside straight. if trump were to win florida, ohio, virginia, i think i have this correct, i still would fall short of the necessary numbers to win the election. the task he has is so monumental, if florida is out of the picture -- >> you put pennsylvania, though, into the mix, sam, then suddenly it's not as monumental. >> perpetually dangled out there as something -- >> trump is a different kind of candidate. >> i've always called it fool's gold. this is steve kornacki talking about red state america, blue state america after 2000. i think what we may have this year, though, is a race where you're going to have to look at the demographics of each state.

just like we had in bernie sanders. because bernie sanders didn't win a single state that was more diverse than the national average. i don't think he lost a single state in the primaries that was less diverse than the national average. i think we have the same thing when you look at this general election campaign. you're going to be looking at states. which states are more diverse. which states are more white. maybe it's not a surprise that in pennsylvania and ohio donald trump is close, but you go down to florida, a state that republicans absolutely dominate top to bottom in state politics, he's down by eight points because it's a more diverse state. >> the thing you look at when you look at pennsylvania is the type of voter that kind of predominates there. a little bit older, tend to be white voters. more downscale socioeconomically. these are voters if you look outside of pennsylvania, if you look nationally, they have been trending pretty sharply toward republicans in presidential elections. the trend so far, this is why

democrats have held on in pennsylvania, the trend has not been as pronounced in the state of pennsylvania. so the question is, would donald trump, as opposed to like a mitt romney at the p top of the republican ticket, do those voters who a lot of people have been looking at them for a long time now saying they are ready to go, ready to go from the democrats to the republicans in pennsylvania, is donald trump the impetus to make that finally happen. that might be why pennsylvania looks so competitive this time. >> you think it's so funny, though, we're talking about a blue-collar billionaire. i know that's how one of the sons described him to you on the circus. joe started the segment by talking about people of privilege, there's never been anyone richer who has been the republican nominee. >> don't forget we've got states less diverse, iowa, wichk, minnesota, michigan to some extent. these are opportunities if trump is in the game. got to be in the game, though. >> it's always been a little rich that donald trump is the working man's hero but he pulled it off in the primary. steve kornacki, thank you very

much. coming up, father knows best but in the case of donald trump the kids with the growing role in his campaign. nbc's peter alexander joins us ahead with a look at that dynamic. on friday senator bernie sanders joins us right here on set. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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the ousting of corey lewandowski as campaign manager has allowed trump's children to gain more control over the presidential bid. peter alexander has more from washington this morning. hey, peter. >> good morning to you. the recent shake-up within the campaign is focusing attention on the real power players behind

the scenes in the trump campaign. ivanka trump, trump's daughter has always had a direct line to her dad. increasingly so does her husband jared kushner. despite little po' political experience he's showing off access and quietly revealing a direct line of influence with his own brand of influence. >> while the spotlight shines on donald and melania trump, another power couple with traction in the political world. ivanka and jared kushner, often subject of trump's praise. >> do you love ivanka? i love ivanka. jared is a successful real estate person. i think he likes politics as much as he likes real estate. he's very good at politics. now taking central roles in the campaigns. now telling the news the family is in charge. >> he's not surrounded by political operatives. it's his kids and son-in-law who are coming and going. >> 34-year-old ivanka has made

her way as model, fashion and style, often been a presence in her father's boardroom, both in real estate and on tv. her influence running deep but gop sources say friction between her husband and former campaign manager corey lewandowski led to the top aide's dismissal. trump insisting that's true. >> ivanka really respects corey, it's absolutely true and she likes corey. i read all these reports about the children and about all of this, it's all nonsense. >> ivanka's husband since 2009, kushner is also a major player in the world. heavily involved in surge for vp, strategy and policymaking, even craft k speeches like this one before the pro israel lobby. >> when i become president, the days of treating israel like a second class citizen will end on day one. >> reporter: the 35-year-old no stranger to power or controversy. in 2004 at the age of 23 taking over the family's lucrative real

estate business after his father went to jail for tax evasion. he's also been publisher of the high-society newspaper "new york observer" for a decade, a paper that endorsed trump in april. >> the big surprise out of this is that jared kushner, soft-spoken guy from democratic family who is married to ivanka trump loves politics and trump loves him. >> with support from fellow republicans still uncertain, trump planning on family to keep his campaign on course. >> i know this morning you guys have been talking about donald trump's speech today, describes full frontal assault on hillary clinton. a little later we're told jared kushner helped craft the speech. what's next? they may fill out the kitchen cabinet but unlikely they would play a role in washington. donald trump asked if they would play a role in a trump white

house be, his simple response, probably not. >> politics aside donald trump raised amazing kids. thousands expected as they get a hero's welcome. emblematic of the reign over the city is 10-story banner on the side of the sherman williams building. it's been there a long time. it's iconic after the cavs win, the world champs was added as you can see from this tweet. what's planned next for the wall is a huge controversy. plans have been in the works for a different sign to go over there, to replace the lebron mural. here is a mock-up of the new banner set to go up to welcome republican national convention. >> oh, no. >> don't do that. it reads, this land is our land, 150 years in cleveland and has sherman williams logo on it.

hillary clinton press secretary tweeted, this should end well. voters of ohio said we support the lebron sign. a petition with 700 signatures on it to keep the lebron sign up. reeled a statement saying new banner go up after fourth of july, be up 90 days after which the lebron mural will return. >> dumbest thing ever. even before he won the title, lebron is cleveland. he is ohio. >> on sunday i predicted that the justice department could reverse and put out full -- i predict that lebron sign is not coming down. >> i think this probably hasn't reached donald trump's desk yet. i think the better move would be to make the lebron sign bigger, to make it huge. to make the lebron sign wrap the whole building. >> replace james on the back of the jersey with trump. >> no. >> listen, to his credit, he gets the power of sports and the

power of celebrity. i think once this makes it to his desk, he'll put it in reverse. >> this is power of community for cleveland, led by lebron james cleveland titletown. >> unbelieve ablg, 60 years. >> if they try to take it down, when i get to cleveland i'll put it back up. >> there you go. >> i'll hold the ladder. >> make a mural of you, mark halperin. joining us chairman of democrat democratic process. i know you're going to meet with hillary clinton, other house democrats to rally the troops. what troop rallying has to go on. hasn't the party consolidated around secretary clinton at this point? >> yeah. there's not a need to do a lot of rallying. we're here to hear her message, talk to her about how to get things done. you have a whole lot of members of congress who want to do work. we're tired of watching them

asleep at the wheel. hillary clinton ideas good not just for regular americans but all americans. if we have a president clinton we want to make sure we have a congress that will work with her instead of trying to block all these good and you have been listening to donald j. trump now for many months on the campaign trail. some of it humorous and some of it not so humorous. let me ask you, do you think donald trump is a racist? >> i believe based on remarks that he is a bigoted man. i believe that if he is unwilling to say he apologizes for racist things he says he should be classified as a racist. any republican who says his remarks are racist and wants to endorse him to be president has to recognize they are asked america to elect a racist to be president of the united states. >> what does hillary clinton

need to do between now and election day to get disapproval ratings down, approval ratings high? they obviously are historically low right now, her approval ratings. what does she do to get younger voters that voted for bernie in overwhelming numbers to trust her and get on her side? >> as you know from your past experience when you run for office you have to try to be in contact with people as much as possible. it is tough to be in touch with everybody but i believe secretary clinton will do as much as she can to sit down and be in front of day to day people and not just rely on commercials or these stump speeches. >> why do you think there is such a disconnect? you know her and have known her for quite some time. why do you think her disapproval

ratings are so high and why do young voters not seem to trust her? >> i don't think there is any person in american politics who had more money spent against her trying to tear her down. she dusts off her knees and gets back up. she has been a fighter for some time. all of those billions of dollars do create images in people's minds. this is a woman who fought for kids from the beginning well before she became a politician. people have to understand who she really is. she is the one that green lighted the osama bin laden attack and gave the president the push to go forward. these things people have to know about hillary clinton and they will get to know them over the course of the campaign. one-on-one, no more having to worry about 17 people trying to get the attention of the american people for president of the united states. it is donald trump and hillary clinton. let's go at it. >> i'm wondering how

superexcited you would be if secretary clinton chose tim cain as a running mate? >> good guy. someone very thoughtful and had the experience to show that he can take over should something happen to the president. but someone who is very valuable in the senate so he would be a great choice. >> some progressives say he is too centrist. >> i think he is a great guy. you are not going to get everything in a package. i think you are looking for someone ready to be president, someone who has the experience and someone who really can show the american people he or she is ready to lead it. i don't think there is doubt that senator tim cain would be ready to lead. >> do you feel the same way about cory booker? >> senator booker has been a mayor of a major city, now a u.s. senator, someone else who has qualifications. >> national security

credentials. >> when you serve in the u.s. senate you go out and are making tough decisions whether to send our troops to war, whether to help the president have resources to work with allies. as a mayor you are trying to take care of the security needs of the people that you represent as the mayor of a large city sflmpt kw if you were to recommend that she pick an hispanic american who would you pick? >> fortunately, there are several americans who are qualified who happen to be latino dissent. i think the secretary of housing and urban development is on that list. secretary tom bettis, department of labor. i believe former senator from the state of colorado and former attorney general for the state of colorado should be on the list. he was secretary of department of interior for president obama,

could be on that list. there are several latinos who could serve on the list. my name has been mentioned, as well. i will leave that as it is. there are many latinos who are ready to serve as president or vice president for the united states. >> congressman, sam stein here. i want to ask you about the process of bringing the democratic party back together. one thing that senator bernie sanders will emphasize in coming weeks to the convention is changing the way the nominating process works. one of the elements he wants to force is the ending of superdelegates system. what other changes do you think will be appropriate to the democratic party nominating process? >> i certainly support having the delegates, the party review how best to move forward in selecting our democratic nominee. >> that was a very carefully worded answer. >> remember, we have gone through different changes and different iterations of how to

best do it. some points we relied on delegates that are experienced members of the party. i happen to prefer letting the voters have major say, the dominant say in how we select our nominee and that is what happened here. the so-called superdelegates aren't going to make the decision. hillary clinton won by more votes than any candidate. she won more states, more delegates. and these are state won delegates. so in many respects what people are asking for the party did but i think it is well worth going through the process. >> before i let you go, a quick follow up to a question you were asked 72 hours ago. are you being vetted by the clinton campaign? >> i have no knowledge of that. i have no direct knowledge of vetting occurring for me or

anyone else. i think it is early in the process. i know you have been reporting different names. i think the secretary is going to make a wise choice. i have full confidence that at the end of the day the person she selects to be her vice presidential running mate will be the top person. >> i have no knowledge of that process. >> thank you for your time. we enjoy having you on. thank you. still ahead on "morning joe." >> when i was working on this speech i had the same experience i had when i was working on the speech about foreign policy and national security. i would have my researchers and my speech writers send me information and then i would say really? he really said that? and they would send me the background and video clip. so here goes. >> yesterday hillary clinton

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11. >> welcome to "morning joe." it's great to have you with us. willie, quite a day yesterday back and forth between hillary clinton and also donald trump. but very interesting yesterday actually donald trump had a rapid response to hillary's attacks in real time. i wonder if this may not be campaign 2.0 but maybe the start of general election. >> he has a small group that is going to respond rapidly and preempted her speech. today is the big hillary speech. he is going to spaupd to what she said yesterday and go after her in a larger sense. mika has the morning off. nicole wallace is here, managing editor of bloomberg politics, co-host of "with all due respect," mr. mark halperin.

mike barnacle and white house correspondent for the huffington post and new host of way too early, trying to sign him up full time for way too early. ceph >> i recognize the hour you have to wake up. >> yesterday the 2016 campaign turned into attack politics with hillary clinton and donald trump trading blows in real time. today donald trump will deliver a speech critical of hillary clinton. he tweeted i will be making a big speech to discuss failed policies and bad judgment of crook ed hillary clinton. it will follow hillary clinton's speech yesterday. >> you might think because he has spent his life as a businessman he would be better prepared to handle the economy. well, it turns out he's

dangerous there, too. just like he shouldn't have his finger on the button, he shouldn't have his hands on our economy. liberals and conservatives say trump's ideas would be disastrous. the chamber of commerce and labor unions, mitt romney and elizabeth warren. economists on the right and the left and the center all agree trump would throw us back into recession. he calls himself the king of debt and his tax plan sure lives up to that name. according to the independent tax policy center, it would increase the national debt by more than $30 trillion over 20 years.

that's trillion with a t. how would he pay for all this debt? he said, and i quote, i would borrow. knowing if the economy crashed you could make a deal. it's like he said you know you make a deal before you go into a poker game. it's not like that at all. the full fate and credit of the united states is not something we just gamble away. >> and that was the entirety of the speech, the whole thing. perhaps most notable was emergence of real time rapid response from the trump campaign. trump has been criticized in the past for not quickly and directly pushing back on clinton's attacks against him. yesterday trump's campaign sent out a rapid response e-mail while clinton delivered her attack lines. during the speech trump sent a tweet that people noted did not

sound like other tweets. her judgment has killed thousands, unleashed isis and wrecked economy. also yesterday trump announced launch of a new website lyingcrookedhillary.com. the website is not up and running but is expected to bow rolled out over the following days. he has big speech today. some numbers we saw in terms of fundraising, ad spending and lack thereof in battle ground states were pretty staggering. >> i think a lot of us were pretty stunned yesterday when you saw that ohio and pennsylvania still pretty much draw despite the fact that donald trump has been playing horribly, playing the game of politics horribly for the past couple of weeks. yesterday made it more fascinating that you did have a rapid response from donald trump

and his team. mark halperin, before we talk about rapid response let's talk about hillary clinton's speech. let's talk about the discipline of the campaign as we have talked about in contrast to donald trump's in the past before yesterday. she was talking a lot about debt. it matches up with 30 second commercial that is going all over the swing states that they are targeting where donald trump is bragging about how he loves debt. you accumulate debt, king of debt and then when you can't pay it you negotiate well. this is a very coordinated message just like foreign policy message was coordinated and it has won bottom line to american voter and donald trump is temperamentally unfit to run your economy and donald trump is temperamentally unfit to have his finger on the button. and she delivered that yesterday pretty well. >> she did. you are right. that is the message from 20,000

to 30,000 feet. they are trying to collect referendum on donald trump. you saw in 2004 george bush trying to deflect scrutiny about their own records and make those referendums on the other side. i think it is most effective thing hillary clinton's campaign is doing with advertising and surrogates trying to get all the focus on donald trump. he has given them a lot to work with not just throughout the years but saying things. >> so we saw the rapid response from the campaign yesterday. today we have the speech from donald trump one planned for some time. what kind of donald trump will we hear today? do you think he has been humbled at all. obviously, the polls are helpful to him. in terms of fundraising and the

battle ground state advertising, what are we going to hear from him? >> i would never use the word humble and donald trump in the same sentence. i think we see a post wisconsin donald trump. this has been the equivalent of that kind of blow to his confidence and his inevitability. post wisconsin we see he stuck to the teleprompter. we romanticized that period a little bit. he did lean more on the traditional tactics than the shoot from the hip donald trump that we have seen. i don't think we should celebrate what is really normal. it is normal for a candidate to give a speech and then have their media and surrogates echo it. hillary is impressive and stunning in contrast to the other side. >> what is the worse thing you can do to donald trump?

humiliate him. in the past week, two weeks the money story -- >> she started mocking him. i think that is what helped bring about this. >> i didn't an interview once with howard dean where he was talking about where he knew he had to change and become something more of establishment like figure. he had riled up the crowds and he knew he couldn't do that if he wanted to be elected president. he told me he loved the applause of the audience. as i watch donald trump i think about that because i wonder if he is able to go without the adoration and the love and response of the audience enough to become in the eyes of other voters a presidential figure. i'm not sure. >> one of the great challenges for donald trump is that. donald trump will move on issues. he tried moving on the muslim ban about a month ago and got criticized on twitter so jumped back.

he tried moving on the nra issue last week saying like 85% of americans if you are on a watch list you probably shouldn't be able to go in and buy a gun. he backed up over the weekend after he got attacked on twitter. this has happened several times for him. digs into the adoration of his small intense primary audience. i say small, that is a relative number, 12 million. he needs 65 million to win. right now he is addicted to that and he has to figure out whether he is willing to cross them on some issues and put up with the pushback that he is going to get on social media. >> and the talk of a new day in his campaign started two days ago when they let go of corey lewandowski, sources saying the power center shifts to trump's three oldest children who are much more comfortable strategists. trump announced additional

staffers yesterday. fired campaign manager corey lewandowski showed up at previously scheduled appearance before the new york republican party. hope hix was there with him. her presence was about letting the world know donald trump personally supports corey. trump planned to add between 100 to 150 staffers to his campaign and the shift is winning praise on capitol hill. changing the tune of senator bob corker who was dismayed by trump's tone last week. >> what is kind of exciting is that it appears to me that they, you know, are moving in a very different direction than they have been moving in and i got to say that's pretty exciting to think about. >> mark halperin, i don't say this sarcastically, the bar is so low for donald trump it's

been really hard for him to slide under it day after day after day after day when it comes to getting republicans on capitol hill on board. somebody like bob corker, very serious man trying to give donald trump the benefit of the doubt as are almost all republicans on capitol hill. so this shift comes really at an extraordinary important time for he and his campaign. >> you are right with exception of people in the never trump category still. they are looking for much to get on board. they recognize the convention is coming. even if they don't think the chances are that great it is better for the party where they focus on trying to win. they define down what they expect from the campaign. the reality is we can talk about fundraising so much to analyze every day in this campaign. trump needs to restore

republicans sense that he can win or at a minimum that he can conduct his campaign. the more he does that and going on the offense against hillary clinton today if he does it well, the more republicans like corker will say this is our nominee. let's get on board and encourage him when he does well. >> mike, i heard you say wow there. what was your wow? >> bob corker's definition of what is exciting. >> also such a low bar. the current staff break down is 685 hillary staffers, 69 trump staffers. adding 100 to 150 wake up early for that one. >> don't be so in a bubble that you don't understand. that is not one of his political liabilities. his liabilities are in the category of racism scandal every ten days. he doesn't have a problem with

voters because he only has 100 staffers. >> there is a pile on happening. that is not -- >> let me crawl out of my bubble. there is literature about whether it actually matters to have these television ads out. >> literature? >> stop it. so basically they say it doesn't matter but that is assuming each side has parody. this stuff actually can matter if one side is not doing it. >> i agree with you. voters are not hearing he only has 50 staffers. voters don't know or care how many people are in the headquarters. >> how much we are talking about right now you think is all involved -- you referenced this, donald trump has today and has always had since he began the campaign almost like an

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donald trump yesterday in manhattan in a video of the meeting yesterday provided by pastor e.w. jackson who

supported ted cruz in the primaries trump appears to directly question hillary clinton's faith. >> she's been in the public eye for years and years and yet there is nothing out there. it's like nothing out there. it's going to be an extension of obama but worse because with obama you had your guard up. with hillary you don't. it will be worse. >> so we haven't seen what was said before that clip was shot. jackson said it was part of trump's assertion that republican candidates beliefs are examined more closely than democrats. this is not the first time donald trump raised doubts about an opponent's faith. >> to the best of my knowledge not too many evangelicals come out of cuba. just remember that. >> i'm presbyterian. that is down the middle of the

road in all fairness. he's a joke artist. i can't believe. are you sure he is a mormon? he choked. >> asked to clarify trump told abc i don't know much about her. somebody asked me the question. i didn't bring it up. according to abc no one asked the question. the "washington post" reports trump won standing ovation in another meeting in pledge to appoint pro life justices to the supreme court. there was no mention of jesus and some leaders held out support for trump at a press conference afterwards. >> some people were saying let's pray for our leaders. i said you can pray for your leaders and i agree with that. pray for everyone. what we really have to do is pray to get everybody out to vote for one specific person. we can't be politically correct and say we pray for all of our leaders because all of your leaders are selling christianity

down the tube, selling evangelicals down the tubes. it's a very, very bad thing. >> i guess by a show of hands, how many of you have already or are willing to say you will support donald trump and offer your endorsement? >> well, nicole, in my experience that means absolutely nothing. that means that if there are seven people all seven are voting for trump and will whisper to the person when they leave the room i'm voting for trump. everywhere i go when mika tries to get people to raise hands how many people are voting for trump, nobody ever raises their hands and then they go i'm voting for trump. >> do you know somebody voting for trump and then the room will raise their hand.

the whole set up is weird anyway. >> they are weird and donald trump is clumsy when it comes to dealing with evangelicals based upon my 20 years in politics and of dealing with evangelicals and seeing other people deal with evangelicals. i talk to evangelicals and a lot of evangelicals leaders don't care. they believe there is a war of faith between christianity and islam and they believe that donald trump is on their side and he is willing to call out islam. and i think after that planned parenthood is a foot note. i believe in this community there is the belief that there is a war of civilizations, a war of religion and donald trump is the only person in america willing to stand up and say i'm on your side. >> here is the other thing about

evangelicals. they are among most pragmatic, savvy voters to participate inputin presidential cycles. how is it that ted cruz and donald trump are so close among evangelicals because evangelicals are among one of the largest groups to realize the alternative in hillary clinton is certain to disappoint them so in donald trump they have someone who appoint conservative judges. as voters this was a meeting with leaders. i thought that was an awkward scene where they didn't raise hands. evangelicals voters in primary after primary went in and voted for donald trump. you just heard donald trump going after hillary clinton and her religious beliefs. we will ask ben carson whether the comments are out of bounds when "morning joe" continues. >> i was asked the other day in

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i need support from the republicans. in some ways i get more support from the democrats than republicans. some of it is phenomenal. i have got so much tremendous support from congressmen and from senators and from lots of other people, but we do need support. reince priebus and rnc have been terrific. it would be nice to have full support from people in office. just verbal support. >> with us now from palm beach gardens, florida, former republican presidential candidate dr. ben carson, dr. carson endorsed donald trump for president and yesterday participated in meetings between donald trump and nearly 1,000 christian leaders. that's a great place to start. you were a candidate that was respected and beloved by so many christian leaders across this

nation. do you think donald trump is making the sell to evangelical leaders the way thee needs to going into the fall against hillary clinton? >> well, it's certainly very important to begin the conversation. a lot of people had derived their impressions from the media and third parties. this was an opportunity for them to sit face-to-face with donald trump. he had an opportunity to hear their hearts. it's something that i strongly advocate open conversation, civil discussion as opposed to the way we have gotten used to doing things which is letting other people interpret to us and then getting in our separate corners and demonizing each other. >> you are a man of deep faith. obviously understand jesus's teachings. there are so many times if you go through the beattitudes with

jesus talking about blessed are the meek and peace makers. you were talking about not demonizing others. do you think there is inconsistency between jesus's teachings about being nonjudgmental and the way donald trump has conducted his campaign over the last year? >> i think there is consistency between teachings of jesus and everybody in the political arena. don't just pick on donald trump. >> is it more pronounced with the way that he acted not only towards the other candidates but acted towards you questioning your faith? >> as i was saying, i adopted the policy of trying to stick to the issues, not attacking and demonizing other people. it only gets you so far in our society.

it doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to try to move to a higher plain. this is where we are as a society. we like to see carnage. we are attracted to it and we respond to it and successful politicians understand that and they take advantage of that. unfortunately, that is not where we need to be and we should continue to fight for a much more mature type of society. >> your campaign's central gift to the republican primary was the civility with which you treated the run for the presidency, handled yourself. there was never a moment even in debates you sought attention by trying to make a comment that elevated the whole group. i wonder if in your private conversations with donald trump you were urging him to borrow anything that you use to pretty good effect.

you always stood out to being more civil. i wonder if you were having conversations about adopting a more civilized tone, more civility on the campaign trail? >> i don't want to get into contents of private conversations but i will say that he is tacting more to issues at this point and less about personalities. at least in terms of the other republicans. now, there is no question that he will fight fire with fire when it comes to hillary clinton or whoever the nominee happens to be on the democratic side. it probably is going to be more advantageous to him politically to fight than to simply talk only about uplifting things. even though quite frankly if i were in that position -- but that's me -- i would be talking about uplifting things about the

issues and trying to help people recognize we are not each other's enemies. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you -- >> not democrat or republican issues. >> he launched a website not live yet called crookedhillary.com. if this is wisdom that you possess i guess i'm asking you have you attempted to urge more civility from donald trump at this point? there is a part of the electorate that is just tuning in. if they are just tuning in now what they are seeing is a very brash donald trump. are you interested in seeing him be more civil in his tone and in his message? >> of course, we are all interested in seeing everybody be more civil. i don't want to make it just about donald trump. this is a problem that permeates

our entire political system. and we should and particularly you guys in the media should be encouraging people to be more civil rather than focussing on the fights and the carnage. focus on some of the good things and some of the real solutions. >> we have to cover the candidates whatever they say. >> talk about the real issues. make people talk about what the issues are. i think this is such an important time in the history of america. we need to understand the difference between a government centric nation and a people centric nation. you guys are the ones who can help people understand that. >> dr. carson, demonization you have spoken about it a couple of times this morning, has been widely, widely consumed in our culture. it is widely effected our politics for many, many years. unfortunately, today's conversation and much of what the conversation is about here on a daily basis has to do with donald trump. you have endorsed him so we can't avoid talking about donald

trump and his campaign and the issues and the language about his campaign. so my question to you is demonization i think we all agree about the dangers of demonization, isn't lying ted, crooked hillary a form of demonization? what do you say to your candidate about employment of such demonization in language? >> i would have to disagree with you that he is the only one doing it? >> i didn't say he was the only one. i am saying he is the one you endorsed. >> i think what we ought to all be encouraging everybody to do is to talk about the issueses, that includes hillary clinton, donald trump, bernie sanders, whoever is in the mix because that is what is going to help us get to the ultimate solution which is how do we solve our problems. and we are trying to make it about personalities. it's not about personalities. this is about something so much

bigger than donald trump or hillary clinton. this is about america. this is about the direction that we are taking and what kind of nation we are going to be and what we are going to hand out to children and grandchildren. it's not about people. >> dr. carson, i want to circle back to yesterday's meeting again and have you help us out and everybody out in explaining what evangelicals and people of faith are looking for in 2016. you obviously have in donald trump and the republican nominee a man who is not well versed in the bible, not well versed in the books of the bible, not well versed in the traditional christian faith and yet you have evangelicals that are lining up behind him. can you explain to viewers why that is? >> yeah, i think the evangelicals community realizes

we are not choosing preacher in chief but commander in chief. we want a commander in chief who understands the importance, for instance, of the first amendment and not penalizing people for living according to their faith. they want a commander in chief who understands the sank taet of life and understands the importance of the family and how the family is the basic unit for a strong society. so those are the kinds of things that they are really looking for, not necessarily somebody who can quote verse and chapter of the bible. >> all right. dr. ben carson, as always it is great having you with us. we appreciate you being here. still ahead britain split over immigration, americans are angry about jobs be shipped overseas and brian sullivan here to connect the dots between

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today is the last day of campaigning ahead of tomorrow's huge brexit vote in the uk. talk about the ramifications. >> the vote is looking is depending on what poll you look at. here the polls are all over the place. the polling shows pretty much britain leaving the eu and staying in the eu about 50/50. you can bet on this kind of stuff in england and betters have stayed remain in the eu by a fairly wide margin. the betters are saying will stay in eu. it is amazing to me when you look at this how similar this is to what we have here. this is about immigration. this is about trade. this is about income inequality. these votes in england and our election here are not quite analogous but not far off.

>> if i want to make money off of it where should i invest? >> remain would be the good thing and that would be the whole market. if they leave because people i have talked to say they are going to stay. if uk votes to leave the markets could take a huge tumble. a lot of things are tied up in this because the fear is that if the uk votes to do this -- they were never part of the monetary unit, if they vote to do this, who is next? france, germany? >> monaco. >> super impressive multi lingual. >> what kind of external pressures? president obama came out and said he wants uk to remain? >> every trade deal they have will have to be renegotiated. >> what other external pressures? is european union putting on a fairly robust lobbying campaign 1234. >> european union wants uk to

stay. it is the financial center of europe. some firms suggested well, if england leaves maybe we should move headquarters from london to frankfurt or another financial center. >> when do we get result snz. >> vote is tomorrow, about 1:00 a.m. here. it will take a while to get results. i know you are deep into the wonk of polling. the first returns come from sunderland. it's where cars are made. they are expected to vote leave. sort of a manufacturing base. it's the margin at which they vote leave which will maybe tell how the vote goes. we should know something later tomorrow or friday morning. sunderland will never get so much attention because they are not good in soccer. >> i am going to watch the racecars. >> as goes sunderland, so goes berlin.

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you have nine lawyers all from harvard or yale. there are no protestants on the court, no evangelicals on the court. the elites look at much of the country as fly over country that our views are parochial and don't deserve to be respected. >> we have radio host dana lash out with a book flyover nation. she turns the table on what she calls coastal elites writing most apfans entertain plans of economic equality without realizing the negative impact their plans have on very people they pride themselves on helping. that is true class warfare.

i have to say that is a stinging rebuke to sam stein. thank you for being with us. >> it's all right. >> it is so interesting. >> it's all i drink. >> what i find so interesting is that, you know, people like you and me say people in manhattan need to go to the heartland. a couple of hours in staten island would do. they don't do that either. they don't do that either. it's such an insulated. that is why nobody saw donald trump coming. >> i would agree with that. i think donald trump is like this big red headed middle finger to washington, d.c. and to new york and to l.a. although oddly enough he is from new york. i think that sort of gets to how angry people are. it gets to how angry some republicans and conservatives are because they want to take whatever sledgehammer they can

get their hands on and smash the system. there used to be trade by democrats. when they see republicans compromising things like spending bills and other huge issues that they prioritize that enrages them and they think let's smash the system. >> what is so shocking to me this year is how we have always looked at liberal elites. we have seen that happen now with conservative elites in the magazines we grew up reading. i remember driving to a wedding in scranton, pennsylvania, going to a target in west nyak and calling mika from inside the target looking around going trump is going to win big. and again it is because elites on both sides have become so isolated. >> i think there is something to that. i think you right in that respect. there is something else that goes along with it. i think he says things that in a

way that resonates with people because everybody in washington is very careful. this has been one of my biggest criticisms. quit being so rehearsed and careful. speak from your heart because if you are on the same page as everyone else it will resonate. everyone has been so careful. no one has spoken with whether you agree with it or not they haven't spoken with the forcefulness that they feel conservatives feel needs to be said. you can't say we have a problem with radical islam. that's great. we have a terror problem. it is something else to say radical islam is incompatible with western culture. radical islam hates women. to put it in those terms it's different from simply saying we do have a problem with radical islam. we need it in terms that resonate with people. >> i have watched your -- you have been on as much of a roller

coaster as other people. i want to see how you see the race right now. where are we right now? where is the country, not the elite media? >> conservatism is having an identity crisis. i think part of that has been brought on by the republican party and part of it by grass roots. i was the co founder of a tea party movement in st. louis, one of the first groups. i think going into that i love dismantling the system. i love the idea. i have always said i want to take it over from the inside like a cancerous growth. that is great. what are you going to put in its place. one thing to destroy something but the person who wins presents the solution. >> voters are going to decide. time will tell. >> how do you make an appletini. >> i'm a single malt scotch

girl. >> the premise is elites on the coast need to understand. can't you make the argument that the people in flyover country don't want to accommodate the demographic change coming to america? they want to build walls and keep out people from the middle east? do you think maybe it works both ways that each part needs to understand better? >> i think there is common ground that can be found. i think that the flyover nation folks see people on the east and west coast on their televisions all the time and they really don't feel that they have an amplified voice to match. they see people on the news like this. they see people in the evenings. there is more of people on the west coast than fly over people in the media. however, the values that flyover nation that they possess, it is really not entirely different from what a lot of people on the coast value. they just perceive it differently for folks in flyover nation. they want laws enforced. they don't want to be

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