very clear reminder why it is so important for the supreme court to have a full bench. for more than 40 years there is been an average of just over two months between a nomination and a hearing. i nominate judge mgarland three months ago, most republicans so far refused to meet with him. they are allowing policy politics to jeopardize. america should not let it stand. this is an election year, during election years, politicians tend to use immigrations to scare people. keep in mind that millions of us and myself included going back to generations of this country and we don't like the notion that anyone might get a free

pass to american citizenships. millions of people coming forward and work to get right with the law under this policy, they have been living here for years, too and in some case even decade decades. leaving the broken system the way it is, that's not a solution. build a wall without spending tens of billions of dollars with taxpayers' money is abetted. what is really just factually incorrect and not going to work. it is not good for this country. it is a fantasy that offers nothing to help the middle class and the means of tradition to be a nation of law and immigrants. in the end, it is my belief that immigration is not something to fear and we don't have to wall ourselves off who may not look

like us right now or pray like we do or have a different last name because being an american is something more than that. what -- all of us are created equal. every study shows that whether it is irish or the pope or the j germ jgermans or the italians or the t chinese or mexicans or kenyans, who ever showed up, those kids are american, they do look like us because we don't look one way. we all don't have the same last names. we share a commitment to the values that founded this nation. that's who we are.

and that is what i believe most americans recognize. here is the bottom line, we got a very real choice that the america faces right now. we'll continue to implement the existing program that's in place and we are not able to move with the expanded program that we wanted because the supreme court was not able to issue a ruling at this stage. and, now we got a choice of what we want to teach our kids and how we want to be represented in congress and in the white house. we are going to have to make a decision. we'll make our feds and never have the chance to get right with the law or whether we are going to give them a chance just

li just -- we are going to have to decide whether we are the people accepting or are we actually valued families and keeping us together. we'll have to decide whether we are a people who'll continue to educate the brightest children and whether we encourage them to new jobs. these are questions that voters have to ask themselves and have to answer in notifvember. these are issues that'll be debated over candidates. in november, americans are going to have to make a decision about what we care about and who we are. i promise you this though,

sooner or later, immigration reform will get it done. congress is not going to be able to ignore america forever. it is a matter of what. and i can say that with confidence because we have seen our history and we get these spasms politics -- and then our tradition and history and our better impulsives kick in. that's how we all end up here. at some point, everyone of us have somebody in our background who people did not want to come in here and yet here we are. that's what's going to happen this time. the question is, do we do it in a smart rational sensible way or do we just keep on kicking the

cane out of the road? i believe this country deserve a poli policy that reflects the goodness of the american people. i think we are going to get that and hopefully, we'll get it in november. >> realistically, what do you see of deportation, we can deport 11 million and there is a chunk of time here. >> well, let me just be very clear. what was uneffective by today's ruling or lack of ruling is the enforcement priorities that we put in place and our enforcement priorities have been laid out by secreta secretary jay johnson and the department of homeland security are pretty clear we prioritize gang bangorer bangor ers and foe

just come in -- who have roots of connection of their communities. those enforcement priorities will continue. the work that we have done with kids, those policies remained in place. so what this has prevented us from doing is expanding the sculpt of what we have done. even that is a temporary measure. all it is saying is you can have confidence but it does not resolve your ultimate status. that's going to require congressional action. although i am disappointed by the lack of decision today by the supreme court, a deadlock,

this does not substantially change the status quo and it does not negate what's going to be the case. if we are going to solve this problem effectively, we got to have congress pass along. i have pushed to the limits of my executive authority, we now have to have congress act and hopefully we are going to have a vigorous debate during this election, this democracy is supposed to work and there will be a determination as to which direction we are going. as i said over the long-term, i am confident about the direction of this country is going. we have seen it in the past. if we have not seen it in the past, america would look very different than it does today.

whether we are going to get this done now, sooner so that this does not continue to be this force in our politics and we can get down to the business of all pulling together to create jobs and educate our kids and protect ourselves from external threats and do the things that we need to do to ensure a better future for the next generation, that's going to be determined in part by how voters turn out and who they vote for in november. one more question. number one, are you going to be able to do anything more at all for immigrants going forward in terms of executive action before the next president. number two, do you in anyway take this as some republicans

have presented this as a slap of your use of executive authority and will this anyway describe how progressively people forcibly using executive authority of the remainder of your time in office. >> um -- okay, on the specifics of immigration, i don't anticipate there are additional executive actions that we can take. we can implement what we already put in place that's not effective by this decision. but, we have to follow now what there is been ruled on in the fifth circuit because the supreme court could not resolve the issue. we are going to have to abide by that ruling until the election

and half a nation of a ninth justice of the supreme court so they can break this tie because we have always said and we are going to do what we can lawfully to executive actions but we cannot go beyond that a. it does not have anything on my perspective. each one of these issues have different analysis and statues and interpretations of authorities so for example, climate change that's based on the clean air act and supreme court ruling as oppose to a theory of discretion that in the past every other presidents who

exercised. the supreme court was not definitive one way or the other and the problem is they don't have a ninth justice and that'll continue to be a problem. with respect to the republicans, i think what it tells you if you keep on blocking judges from getting on the bench then, courts cannot issue decisions. we are not going to be able to make progress on some important issues. that may have been the strate strategies from the start but it is not a sustainable strategy. it is a strategy that'll be broken by this election. unless, their basic theory is we'll never confirm judges again. hopefully, that's not their theory. that's not how our democracy is on. [ inaudible question ] >> we cannot come up with a

decision. i think that's a little bit of a stretch, maybe the next tim time -- if we have a full court issuing a full opinion on anything then we take it seriously. this we have to abide by it but it was not any kind of value statement or decision. all right, thank you guys. [ inaudible ] >> in a paralyzed city reacting to a tie supreme court, the president motivated to come in the briefing room before cameras and sadness and frustration displaying today taking a big shot at the republicans that affect washington and even donald trump's wall on the way out and a big statement there on immigration. this first african-american president reminding his fellow

americans that all of us are from folks who came from some where else. a big issue of today's supreme court ruling of 4-4 tie giving a big hit to the obama administration, there will be more coverage on your local news on tonight nbc news and our live coverage will continue live to msnbc as we return you to your programming on nbc. we are back now on msnbc having released the nbc released television on our special report. we are able to talk about what it is we just witnessed in the briefing room and in the front row and the seat all the way to the left, the president's right is that man right there, ron allen. as i mentioned, the last couple of appearances motivated by sadness or frustration or both

to come before cameras. you can say that he appeared to be seeding on this topic and as you correctly pointed out the administration had taken a big hit on this policy affecting four to five million immigrants. >> sadness and frustration, you are right brian, this is the case as president obama very intellectual and hard response that this is a non-decision, technically, that's right and emphasizing in his view this shows how the court is not functioning because there are four justices and making the argument for judge garland to get a hearing and to be voted on. the question that was not asked had in in fact there been nine justices in the court including the late justice scalia, he would have lost on this particular decision of some time ago. but, you are right, this is a legacy issue, this is something that the president wanted immigration reform to happen on

his watch because of the way he sees the country and who he is and as he said we keep on taking this hand down the road and he sees it to the fact that at some point in the next year or two or ten that these 11.4 million illegally, undocumented citizens in this country will become embedded legally in the american fabric and a lot of people would agree with him on that. as a practical manner, these people are in a limbo. it is important as he pointed out that million of them are families. we are talking about families who are here for a long time and we are talking about the parent os s whose children are american citizens. because these children are citizens their parents should have some rights under the

consideration of the law but of course that's not the law that it exists. also, the president has pushed the limit of his authority and there are not much more he could do. the programs that are in effective bringing relief from deportation for 700,000 people here. that leaves a huge group in limbo. clearly this ones become an election issue in 2016. we know donald trump's views on immigration and the democratic, secretary clinton's view. they opposed and of course this issue of what will happen with the supreme court vacancy. i want to ask the president if he still thinks there is any hope for a hearing of judge garland, it seems there is no meetings planned and anything will happen until after november. again, president obama, a legacy issued and we appeared to be hitting a dead end until after november. >> all right, ron allen in the briefing room of the west wing

of the white house, thank you, we go to our justice correspondence, pete williams, pardon me on the interruption of president obama's speech earlier. in talking of the supreme court's decisions or lack of them by degrees that say ing in effect a decision 5-4 would be more pleasing than this. >> well, i think he's right about what it means. it means nothing. it does not say anything one way or another of the president's authorities to carry on executive orders. it is not a blow of that. it says nothing because there is no decision, they could not get the five. you have to get the five and it is simple arithmetic here before anything counts. this count for nothing.

as a practical manner, there is one thing he did not say that's worth pointing ou it does not mean that the immigration authorities are going to start knocking on people's doors. the administration policy is not to remove or they use to say deport people who are the parents of children who are here illegally. what it means is that they can put into effect the key part of this which is to let those people get work permits and get social security number and actually start working and that is basically what the states are most opposed to. so, that's still cannot happen those people are in no better or worse situation than they were before the supreme court of the non-action step today. >> pete williams over the supreme court, pete, one more question of people who are always looking for a remedy, how

do we fix this? can it come back and can it come back in another test case vehicle that test the limits of executive action or for the remainder of the obama administration, is this question or answer now moot? >> yes, it can come back here because there is no answer to the question, the supreme court's test on this was incomple incomplete. there is still a lawsuit of this original lawsuit and still slowly grinding its way through the course of texas and it could come here but by the time it comes here, there will be a big difference. by the time it gets here, the obama administration will be history and it will be the next president to decide whether to continue to defend this country. if donald trump is elected, the first thing he will do is erase the executive policy and makes it become moot. hillary clinton says she will redouble the efforts of this

policy. the future of this as a legal matter is going to depend on the election. >> thank you very much, as we mentioned there is every likelihood of americans are going to face this on issues like immigration and the polls in november. lets talk about our politics legum looming in that room and have loomed all day. andrea mitchell, your adopted town is so broken as to have cause a sit in over night on the floor of the house of representatives as to have cause an all but permanent vacancy on what is now a 4-4 tied court on this big issue. the speaker of the house said while the president was speaking at least, we received while president obama was speaking, this is a win for congress and the a win for the constitution. what are the politics of this? >> you could not frame it more.

the divisions were cleared as you and pete were speaking and the president were speaking. hillary clinton tweeted and she tweeted today's heart breaking immigration ruling could tear apart 5 million families facing deportation. we must do better. paul ryan was speaking to luke russert and the other correspondence on capitol hill and he was saying this was a win for the constitution and a win for congress and a win for the separations of power. that's the division, the speaker of the house leading the republican party and the presumptive nominee, and you see where donald trump falls right along the republicans fault line. this is the division that led to the sit in mimicking the filibuster rights in the senate but unprecedented sitting lie

the iconic leader of john lewis leading his younger colleague on the floor of the house sitting in all night and breaking house rules against video coverage and c-span had to turn off their camera led by the majority. so they use modern technology and pa. you had nancy pelosi and other members coming outside at one or two or three in the morning singing we shall over come and pass a bill using the anthem of the civil rights movement and adapting it to we need to pass a bill because of gun right demands to force the republicans to give them a vote and paul ryan ended up adjournny and forcing the house into recess. the democrats are still camping out more than 24 hours.

the gridlock that in part fuels the anger on the left and on the right it has given ammunition to donald trump and to brace sanders frankly and forcing hillary clinton to adapt her basic message. this could not be broken and that's why the president cannot say the vote that's deciding this, this is a political case and it will be decided boo i the election, brian. >> yes, i keep on hearing that the people get to determine it. andrea mitchell, you have no shortage of topics to cover on what remains of the hour ahead. thanks. >> and joining me now is the national council, janet, your organization and hispanic americans who follow your lead, what is their response of this setback administration, it is a 4-4 tie but it leaves in place of the lower court ruling which

basically rejects the president's effective executive actions. >> well, andrea, we are just so very disappointed and for our community, they really are heartbroken to see this kind of dysfunction and paralysis that you talked about in congress now extend to the supreme court. this is an issue that people want to politicize but for our families, this is personal. there is no county and the pain of separation that's real for millions of families. so for us and the latino community and the immigrant community, we are disappointed and heartbroken but i will say -- we'll continue to fight on. we understand that for latinos, this election has never been more important and you know the stakes have never been higher for us. i think that we'll see even more

motivated latino voters turn out in this upcoming election and for us, it is important for us to weigh in at every way possible and i do anticipate that we'll see a lot more mobilization efforts happening as a result of this decision. you also see of course, more motivation on the other side because this is a division within our country, our country divided so fearlessly over immigration policy. >> yes, and no, andrea lets not forget poll after poll that the vast majority of americans support comprehensive reform with a path of citizenship. that'll create a permanent solution to this issue. it is not lost on latino voters that we had a bipartisan vote in the senate that approved a comprehensive bill but it was in

the house that they refused to take up this bill. for us, that means there is been a politicalization of this issue and we want to make sure that we can find a permanent solution. as it is clear for us now that solution has to come from congress and the next president and we are going to be focused on mobilizing our voters to weigh in. >> janet mejia, thank you very much. coming up, we have a lot of news today, we continue to follow all the breaking news on capitol hill where house speaker paul ryan just called chaos and demanding action on gun control and well into 24 hours and counting. more on "andrea mitchell reports" you can worry about them.

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never give up. [ cheers ] >> this is a night of great pride for all of us. no matter what they do, we'll be here. >> joining me now is luke russert of the latest of what's happening. what's the democratic game plan as paul ryan has the gavel and will not let them have this vote. i think it is important for viewers to realize that some democratic leadership were surprised more than anybody of how protests was yesterday and today was galvanizing in the democratic party of the movement especially of the issue of gun control. we are not going to alter the

rule s of the house. if you have something you want to vote on, send it to the committee process and we'll vote for it that way. what ryan did and the republicans did was taking all the house business for the remainder of the week and wrap it into a quick vote and they got out of town. you can do what you want but not only will you get no bill, we want -- going in their slogan. what the democrats are trying to do of the next half hour is have some show on the floor and then go outside and have a rallying cry if you will and try to show voters this is the beginning of a longer fight, john lewis said earlier this morning around 4:00 a.m. at the press conference that we be crossed the bridge and there is more to come in july. the question will be do they

have more tactics, andrea, speaker paul ryan gave a stern warning that he does not have the appetite for this anymore because he used it as a violation decor and it is bad precedent for how the body is supposed to work in the future. john lewis he's so revere here to pull off something like this. if there is another one like this i don't know what the appetite will be or paul ryan will remove it. who knows? it is going to be a fascinating next two weeks and they're in session before they recess for the convention on the 15th. they definitely want the do something else. >> they think it is successful politically and on the republican side, they think they are one point here, we'll see the debate continue on the campaign trail. thank you very much. >> joining me now is former republican candidate and donald

trump's supporter, doctor ben carson, thank you for being with us. first of all of your reaction of the supreme court's ruling today which basically did not decide the case but we have gridlock n is in the court and congress. >> i am not surprised. one of the things i think is so important for us to recognize is immigration law is supposed to be determined by the people through their representatives and not necessarily through the president so and a way this is not terribly a bad thing to have occurred but hopefully, the people's representatives will in fact deal with it. >> the house of representatives led by republicans refused to vote on the senate and had a strong majority in the senate so there was a failure to act already. >> they refused to be, you know,

pushed in to something that was not scheduled to be done in a proper way. i don't think that means that they are totally refused to deal with the issue in the future. >> what about the gun protests that we have seen over night and where do you come down on that? >> well, i think that the people who were protesting certainly feel that they are absolutely 100% right. of course, the people on the other side if they are 100% right, too. that's why we need to get back to a point by having civil discussions. what is the reason for this second amendment and is there a reason that we need to change those things right now. lets put the data on the table and talk about it like intelligent people rather than getting in our respected corners and hurling insults, we'll never solve anything in that way. >> you are a man of religious

faith, donald trump when he was a competitor of yours questioning our faith. we understand and we don't know the context of it, he was meeting with the evangelicals this week. lets play some of the audio where he questioned hillary's faith. >> she's been in the public eye years and years and there is nothing out there. it is like nothing is out there. we know she's a methodist and quite a religious person. why would the presumptive nominee of the republican party questioned her faith as he did yours and romney in the past. what is this question that he raised with other people's devotions. >> clearly a person's faith and their religion and relationship with god is something that should be private and although it should be manifested publicly. you know the bible says mathew

7th 20, by the fruit, you will know them. it does not matter what protests or proclamation people make. look at the way they live and treat other people and the way they do things, that'll show you all you need to know. >> having watching clinton over decades, i can certainly say she often express her faith and an obser an -- i am wondering how you felt even when donald trump questioning your faith. >> well, i know why he was doing it and i challenged him for the lead and he did not know what to do and he was getting kind of desperate. that's okay. it is politics. people say stuff and i think the average americans recognize that it is just going to be a lot of charges and blow backs.

it is not how we are doing things but at the same time attract attention. >> what do you think of the way he's pursuing his candidacy and the question about judge curiel and his ethnicity and some of the other racial issues that he has raised and the criticism o s the way he conducted his campaign. are you comfortable with that? >> he's not a politician. he's not going to be smooth and lay the ground work before he says something like a politician does. i think the average americans kind of understand where he's coming from. the political class, oh my goodness, that's like point kerosene on the fire without. >> much more ahead on msnbc, we'll be right back. ue text in , that leaves you confused about my level of interest.

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you did obstruct the confirmation hearing and votes nominee and judge garland, giving us the decision that give us a decisive answer verses the non-answer crippled the ability of the supreme court to issue rules. >> i want to ask you of the gun protest, are you going to break, is the democratic caucus going to call it off? what's the next strategy? well, we are not going to break because the american people are not going to break. the american people have had enough. we'll all bend a little but we are not going to break on this. we have a enough of the news of this mass killings. we had enough of watching as the only thing we do in the house of representatives after a mass shooting is hold a moment of silence and whether you start from newtown all the way into

orlando, too many americans have died. congress is just biassed. we'll push as hard as we can to get a vote on gun safety measures which 90% of the american people supporting gun owners. >> on leadership, are you going leave the house floor and pick it up at the end of recess. >> the 4th of july if i read the calendar right is still several days away. there is no reason why the house of representatives had to cut out of town instead of doing its work. there is a lot that we can get done. it is unfortunate just as it was unfortunate that the supreme court had left millions of people unalert and fearing they'll be separated from their families. this culture of dysfunction which does not allow congress to do its job of governing.

congressman, thank you very much. after a long day and night in the house floor. we are following breaking news out of baltimore where a judge today issued a another verdict in the freddie gray's case. goodson was indeed the driver of that van and freddie gray sustained his injuries last april. he faced the serious charges of all of all six officers accused of the case. what happens next now? >> reporter: well, there are for more cases to try. now, they have lost two cases and they have the first case, the jury could not reach a decision in the case of officer

porter. this is a huge case of prosecution, the most serious charges facing this officer caesar goodson jr. he was the one most responsible in the eye of the police department itself securing the prisoner. freddie gray when he was deta detained and placed in the back of the van, it was officer goodson's responsibility to make sure he was secured and he was not secured in any way in the back of the van. officer goodson took freddie gray on this ride and he ended up dying and that led to a lot of protests in the city. we are not seeing much anything downtown. there were a handful of protesters in front of the courthouse and that has since diminished as well. i will have to see what happens if anything tonight and this is a huge blow, we have yet to hear

from the state about whether they have going to change their strategy going forward. as it stands there are four more officers -- if he's retried in september. >> thank you very much. >> coming up, are they in or out? >> great britain's big question today. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. [ brakes screech ] when your pain reliever stops working, your whole day stops. excuse me, try this. but just one aleve can last 12 hours. tylenol and advil can quit after 6. [ cheering ] so live your whole day, not part... with 12 hour aleve.

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do you think it will change this time? >> well, i have the hope. i ask strongly that lawmakers will close the terrible loophole. that maybe the last time we have an interview such as this. >> thank you very much as always for your time and thank you for all that you are doing in charleston >> can i have a hug. it is a big day for britain. the polls are opened for a historic vote of decision on whether to stay or leave the european union. it can have a major economic impact on europe and the united states. what does it mean for the great britain and the european. our british ambassador, peter, thank you very much for joining us. can you explain to us what's at stake for the uk and also for the world economy?

>> well, andrea, thank you for having me on again. this is a big day of the united kingdom. it is important than our general election which we have every five years here. this is what's going to determine whether the uk, there is no second choice if we vote today to leave. the navy post suggests the main vote is going to win with the majority but who knows. what's at stake? whether the united kingdom becomes an independent country and totally separate from the european union and removes itself from the single market is not found by the europeans. and many people think that would be a reduction of britain's splu influence and prosperity of the world.

and becoming an independent country again. barrett johnson talks today about being independent. that's the debate that's happening. >> david ram kcameran of the pr minister, would there likely and if it fails be a vote of confidence and a vote of no confidence in the parliament system? >> well, david cameran, has said this is not about me. it is about the future of the country. he did commit to hold his referendum. he's been re-negotiated the terms of british membership. so that's what he's being campaigning to do. there are people who would say they'll respect of whatever happens in the referendum today. most of the political comment

ta comment -- i think that seems to be the consensus, if there is a vote in favor of staying, but, a small vote in favor of stay could still be too considered turmoil within the conservative parties. who knows what will happen there after. and looking at how the wounds can be healed and in what way and the government of united kingdom moving forward because we don't have the general election of united kingdom. and the effects on world markets of the stock markets have been the turmoil as they began to see indicator that it is uncertain that remains might win. the world markets is reacting

because of the uk's role and the european union is such an important market for us and the effe effect globally. >> we are the fifth largest economy in the world, we are a major recipient of foreign investments of the united states than any other country. the united states and the united kingdom are the two fast growing countries at the time in most of the world are not doing well. so for the united kingdom to be a single market and all of that means uncertainty that'll create as the prime minister have said would affect the market. that's why the market took a jumble. that's why there was a very strong rebound of equities and currencies in other markets when it looked more likely as though the remaining. you are right, the markets will have come concerns. this is not just about united

kingdom. if we go, there will be public opinion in other countries where there is also a sense of anger and distrust and politics and institutions, there will be pressure in the country and that calls it to question of a number of issues of the fup ture of th union. >> indeed, it is been viewed as the eurean equivalent and what's happening here with donald trump's election. thank you very much. we are getting words from capitol hill, we are going live here from the hill coming up next on msnbc.

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