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helped stage the sit-in. they went onto thank supporters gathered there on capitol hill. >> we've come back here on july the 5th. we're going to continue to push, to pull, to stand up, and if necessary to sit down. [ cheers and applause ] >> so that's making headlines and getting national attention after legislators used twitter, facebook, and other social media to drum up support for their protest. demanding a vote on failed gun control measures of the senate. speaker of the house paul ryan forced an unrelated vote and adjourned the session. ryan calling the sit-in a stunt that circumvents decorum and process. >> they are not trying to get this done through regular order. instead, they're staging protests. they're trying to get on tv. they are sending out fundraising
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solicitations like this one. there was a vote. it was in the committee to regular order. and the vote failed. that's a fact they didn't want to talk about. >> coming up shortly, we're waiting for house minority leader nancy pelosi to be holding her weekly briefing. that's minutes from now. it's been a chaotic 24-hour period of time. first, we want to check in with like russert from capitol hill with the latest. this has been certainly a dramatic end for the sit-in. what really did the democrats achieve with this action? >> reporter: well, what they did that was truly historic, thomas, is they created, you could argue, a mechanism for a filibuster-type like activity on the house floor. remember, the house as a chamber does not have that mechanism. it's uniquely swated to the
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senate. the majority party rules in the house. the democrats in this case in the minority, very frustrated their voices were not heard regarding two gun bills, similar to on monday, one regarding the no fly, no buy from the terrorist watch list. the other having increased background checks at gun shows and internet sales. they were frustrated that they were not able to get these votes on the floor in the form of amendments. the republicans say that's part of the regular process. you have to go through the committee process. the democrats staging this sit-in. i got to say, it was truly a remarkable thing to witness in the chamber. what will be interesting to see, though, is what are the long-term ramifications of this. because the democrats now have said that when congress comes back on july 5th, they got out of here early, that was the republican response to this protest, that they are going to continue this effort in some way. the republicans, as you showed
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there with speaker ryan, were very angered at how the democrats went about this. they thought it was a huge breach of decorum and against the house rules. they will not stand for this in the future. that's going to come to a head at some point. lastly, if you look through a historic lens, there is some worry from some of the older members i spoke to on both side that say, what happens in a few years if the shoe's on the other foot. what if you have a very rabid conservative base in the house who wants to take over the floor and bring in their supporters in the gallery and having them cheer over something like planned parenthood or something like that. it was a historic evening without doubt. a lot of it was very much favorable in terms of coverage because of john lewis on the democratic side because he's such an icon and a lot of republicans revere him as well.
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it will be interesting to see what it means in the future for the institution itself. >> meanwhile, there is still activity going on over on the senate side. we just say susan collins of maine talking about bipartisan efforts. >> reporter: it's significant because what collins' bill does is essentially a narrower focus of the no fly, no buy. that bill has some very important cosponsors. tim kane, rumored to be on hillary clinton's short list for vice president. lindsay graham. bill nelson of florida where the pulse nightclub tragedy just ki occurred. they have come together and said, look, we have taken the proposals and measured them together. we've narrowed the list for which anyone would be flagged to purchase a gun in favor of due process concerns.
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then we believe we've given the fbi an important tool combatting terrorism. so far, the nra has not liked this proposal because of due process concerns, but they look like they're going to get a vote. it might just be a procedural vote later today. but there's a chance that that could get some real movement. who knows if it gets the 60 needs or if it gets a majority, but it will be interesting to see. that is something that if it were to come out of the senate, the democrats would grab ahold of and say, look, this is a bipartisan bill. you got to move on this. >> as i understand that, they are voting actively right now on the collins amendment. do you think that there are certain senators -- i know i spoke to congressman cramer from north dakota yesterday who said he was inspired by the activism. he wished he could be a part of
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it, but he's in the majority. he liked seeing following through with the convictions that they feel is so important right now. but is there the will on the inspiration on the senate side to stand with a susan collins for certain republicans who might be on the fence with where to go with this? >> reporter: i was struck on tuesday, i believe it was, you saw kelly aot, who's in a tough race in new hampshire and she's flanked by lindsay graham. he spoke about how he owns an ar-15, he owns that weapon that is at the center of all this. and he basically made the point, look, the way in which this bill is written is so narrow, it roughly affects 2,700, 2,800 people on the no fly no buy list or who are on the additional screening list. we can fix a due process
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constitutional concern if by whatever reason you are on this list by mistake. the fbi pinged your profile because you purchased a weapon. sorry, deal with it, trust us, it will be okay. we can't fix another mass shooting with someone like the killer in orlando who would have shown up if this legislation had moved forward. i suspect if graham is coming at it from that point, maybe that gives cover to some of his colleagues. it's pretty common sense language that's been put forward by these folks. and also tim kane goes, hey, i don't like this, i don't think it's the most perfect bill out there, by we showed on monday these two votes that were political, they both went down. let's do something. and that's really what the protest was on the house floor yesterday, thomas, is do something, please. just do something. and we'll see if that resonates. >> all right, luke, thank you
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very much. reporting basically around the clock as we've been watching all of this from capitol hill. i want to pass along, we have democratic leader nancy pelosi and a briefing in just moments. but the first lady, michelle obama, has reacted via twitter first responding to a tweet from john lewis. he said, we got in trouble, necessary trouble by sitting in we were standing up. so the first lady wrote, so proud of everyone who stood up by sitting down. #goodtrouble. and we have grieved for too many children and went for too many families after shootings. #enough. if there is even one step we can take to save just one life from gun violence, then we have a moral obligation to try, #enough. then it is time to come together and do something worthy of the those we have lost and the future we want for our children,
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then signed m.o., so that we know it is michelle obama. today's microsoft pulse question, will the house democratic sit-in impact the future of gun control legislation. 86% feel yes. 14% say no. the pulse remains live. check it out, cast your vote at pulse.msnbc.com. >> the other big breaking news coming out of the supreme court. deadlocked in a case challenging president obama's executive action to grant deferred statiststatus to millions of undocumented immigrants. it leaves in place a lower court ruling. here was president obama responding just a smort short time ago. >> i think it is heartbreaking for the millions of immigrants who raised families here, who hoped for the opportunity to work, pay taxes, seven in our military and more fully contribute to this country we
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all love in an open way. >> so hillary clinton, the democratic presumptive nominee tweeted her disappointment with the ruling in english and spanish. house speaker paul ryan also weighed in claiming the supreme court tie as a victory. >> this is a win for the constitution. it's a win for concourse. and it's a win in our fight to restore the separation of powers. presidents don't write laws, congress writes lays. >> just got this tweet from donald trump, supreme court has kept us safe from executive amnesty for now, but hillary has pledged to expand it. now, we have reporters covering all angles of what this action from the sproiupreme court meand who is reaction. pete williams joins me. ron allen is at the white house. pete, let me start with you. this is a koicourt divided on t case. certainly you would have
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predicted how this would have gone down. what does it mean for the millions of people affected? >> reporter: for the moment, nothing. it means that the president's plan cannot be enforced. the white house has made clear and so has jeh johnson today that in terms of priorities for deportation, nothing has changed. if these folks stay here, we're talking about roughly 4 million adults whose children are here legally, if they don't commit any crimes, then there's going to be no priority to send them out of the country. however, if this plan had been able to be enforced, if the supreme court had said the president could do this, then it would have allowed those people to seek work permits. so they remain, as the president would say, in the shadows, thomas. one other thing about what paul ryan said today, folks will be all over the map on whether they think this is a good outcome or not. the supreme court said nothing about a president's authority.
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it said nothg about anything. it couldn't get to five votes to have a majority opinion. it doesn't say whether the president has the authority to do it or not. it doesn't say where the states have the authority to sue or not. it doesn't stand for anything. because they don't have a majority opinion, there is no ruling. it's as though it never came here. it just leaves the lower court ruling standing. >> obviously means we'll be talking about this again if we ever get a confirmation hearing for whoever will replace justice scalia. >> reporter: i think donald trump has a good point. the future of this is a political one. this will continue to play out in the courts, but it's really up to the next president about whether to pursue this or not. >> ron allen at the white house for us. i know you were listening to pete there. and we have the reaction of the president. as pete points out, this was not a defined supreme court ruling about executive overreach, but
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the frustration from the president, it was noticeable. >> reporter: yes. because -- yes, in a legal sense, it does nothing. but as a practical matter, as a political matter, it thwarts the president's efforts to give legal status to these millions of people. this has been a huge priority of his administration. his whole reason for running for election to be president. >> right. >> reporter: perhaps. he -- so what's he going to do? he's going to do everything he can to try to make sure hillary clinton wins in november. because this is an issue to be fought another day. here is some of what the president had to say in that respect. >> now we've got a choice about who we're going to be as a country, what we want to teach our kid, and how we want to be represented in congress and in the white house. we're going to have to make a decision about whether we are a people who tolerate the
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hypocrisy of the system where the workers who pick our fruit or make our beds never have the chance to get right with the law. we're going to have to decide whether we're people who accept the cruelty of ripping children from their parents' arms,r whether we actually value families. >> reporter: that last reference is the fact that many of the people shielded by the president's actions are american citizen children, their parents being deported or removed as it were. the bottom line, the whole issue of comprehensive immigration reform, what do we do about 11 million people here illegally, the president wanted to give as many of them as possible legal status. that's not going to happen. as a practical matter and for millions of families here, it denies them something that the president wanted to do. this is really a very important part of his legacy.
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because this was a clear priority of president obama that will not get done while he's here. >> ron allen at the white house for us. thank you, sir. not too far away from you where there's been break news out of baltimore. a judge issued another verdict for officers charged in the death of freddie gray. ceasar goodson has been found not guilty on ail charges. you'll require goodson being the driver of the van transporting gray. this is where the state alleged that gray sustained fatal injuries. goodson faced the most serious of all the charges. two officers already stood trial. one found not guilty, one with a hung jury. what did the judge say today? >> reporter: before a packed, quiet courtroom right behind me, judge barry williams told prosecutors essentially that they had not provided any evidence at all to uphold the
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charges that goodson faced. he essentially said that prosecutors told the entire world that freddie gray died as a result of a rough ride. they had little to no evidence to support that. at the heart of the concern for the judge was that they had -- the prosecutors had to prove that when freddie gray was loaded into the back of the van, handcuffed without a seat belt, that goodson intended for freddie gray to be injured. after that, that goodson would have known how badly freddie gray was injured and that he was in need of medical help. he said prosecutors showed little to no evidence that a rough ride ever occurred. goodson faced the most serious of the charges levied against those six officers. now observers say with this acquittal it could throw into jeopardy the following trials for the officers involved in this killing. the police union just moments ago, they responded to the
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verdict. here's a little sound from that press conference. >> facts of this case speak for themselves. officer goodson was not at fault. while we agree with the verdict in this case against officer goodson, we also suggest that mrs. mosby recokocornsider her i malicious prosecution of the remaining four officers. >> reporter: there are so many people in this community waiting for some victory to show that justice does indeed work for people of color in this community. there are other cases like the tyrone west case. his sister was out here earlier saying they'll continue to fight for freddie gray and all of the freddie grays in baltimore. i spoke a little bit with cornell brooks. he said while the state could not meet the legal burden to justify the charges, that there
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are clear rules and policy changes that need to take place within the baltimore city police department. he said a healthy young man went into the back of that police van alive, and that he ended up dead. he also called into question as many others have, was the arrest legal in the first place. freddie gray made eye contact with one of the officers, then he took off running. ultimately found the pocket knife that prosecutors said was legal. this acquittal as much as it was a gut punch, it wasn't totally unexpected. i spoke to one yioung woman who said it's like being in an abuy sieve relationship. things get better and you feel like things could work out. at some point you realize that things will never change. that's the sentiment of so many folks here in the community. outside of this courtroom, there were a few dozen protestors. there were police helicopters
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circling above. nothing in the way of what we saw last year when rioting broke out in extreme protest. again, folks have braced themselves for the worst. right now, they're settling into the reality that this is the third trial and the third failure to prosecute. >> our nbc affiliate in the area has been reporting that the national guard was put on alert. thank you, sir. also want to remind you, we're waiting for nancy pelosi to address the fact that the sit-in is over. no bill, no break has finished. and now, what's the next move as the house is adjourned until july 5th. ou, son. ge! a manufacturer. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines. but i'll be writing the code that will allow those machines to share information with each other. i'll be changing the way the world works.
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report about the coast guard saying it has located a second body in the hunt for a father and his three kids. they were reported missing off the west coast of florida. the family were last heard from after they set sail on sunday heading to fort myers from sarasota. janet, what more has the coast guard confirmed? >> reporter: they've also found the mast of the boat. this is heartbreaking news on a lot of fronts. earlier, we had reports that both a ship in the water and a helicopter spotted a flare overnight. in the same area as the debris field. now they say this could have been also light from an airplane or pyrotechnics. they have found a second body located in the same vicinity, 4 miles from where they found the first body yesterday.
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nbc news has confirmed that the first body was of the 17-year-old daughter becky. authorities have not said the second body -- they have not identified it at this time. they also indicated that a short distance away, they found the mast of this 29-foot sailboat. it was headed to fort myers in need of repairs. they found today a bucket with a cell phone in it, the last marking, the last ping from that cell phone was 1:15 early monday morning. also, birth certificate, a garmin gps, a number of items in this bucket that are the personal effects, authorities confirm, of the family that went missing on a father's day cruise sunday morning. there were four of them total. a father, two teenage sons and a teenage daughter. now, a second body just within the last 90 minutes. no identification on that
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all this trouble just because the republicans refuse to give us a vote on common sense gun violence legislation overwhelmingly supported by the american people. in the case of one bill, 85%. the other, 90% of the american people. the republican house should have the courage to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and suspected terrorists. no bill, no break. then the dark of night left the house with two more days of work to do and left at what, for almost two weeks. unbelievable. well, it's not unbelievable. the point is this. members have just become totally tired and frustrated of every time we have a heart-wrenching tragedy in our country from gun violence, the carnage that it produces, whether it's little children, 6 years old in new
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town, whether it's these young people last week in orlando, whether it's churchgoers in charleston, across the country, you name it, it breaks your heart. those families suffer. they can never really be made whole. we hope to give them some hope that their grief and so many of them who are grieving have turned their grief into action in order to get some gun laws passed so that other families are spared. every time it happens, we have a moment of silence, a moment of silence that is indicative of the silence that will follow. how many more times do members expected to stand for a moment of silence and we do so in a deep prayerful way for the families. but that is not a substitute for the actions that are needed. book of james, deeds, not words.
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so you have seen with orlando and the first anniversary of south carolina, you saw june 17th, the anniversary. we are stepping into a new world in terms of this struggle. of our widening universe of advocates. of a widening circle of different sectors of our demographics in our country. veterans forming committees chaired by mark kelly and gabby giffords. veterans, general mccrystal wrote the op-ed about the involvement of veterans in this fight. on any number of occasions during the night, i quoted some of these op-eds relating to the additional diversity engaged in the anti-gun violence fight and
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the involvement of our veterans. so public safety, public health, protecting american people, it's all related. and what do the republicans do instead of giving us a vote on guns? they passed really pathetic zika bill. it's been four months since president obama submitted his emergency supplemental bill request for zika. four months for emergency. think of that. four months for an emergency funding. and house republicans have dawdled, delayed and obstructed trying to shortchange our response to this violence threatens to do devastating damage to america's families and children. some of the children who might be affected by this may not be able to walk, talk, hear, or see. costs about $10 million to s
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sustain their lives for the short time they will live, maybe 10 years old. this is malformations, it's sexually transmitted, it's very dangerous. we shouldn't be messing around with some kind of a deal that does nothing. and it's so bad that they brought a rule to the floor that said no debate on the bill. they knew there was just no case to be made for it. and they knew there was a strong case to be made against it. here we have an appropriations bill, military constructed -- military construction v.a. bill. they attach this to that. they bring it to the floor. it is required to have a recorded vote. there's stipulation as to -- there are requirements as to how you handle appropriations bill on the floor. they're usually all under an open rule. now this is a conference report, so that part is different.
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but i tremble at the thought of what they'll do next with regular standup bills. conference report and no debate. so what opportunity was there to debate on the rule? no debate on the rule. that is not only highly unissus. i've never seen that happen. radical and reckless bill more focused on attacking womens health than protecting american families. it cuts off women's rights to birth control and undermines or veterans as well. it's a false economy to say i'm not going to pay to prevent and contain zika because you have to spend much more money dealing with the after effects which are tragic in people's lives.
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so the doctor said on the subject, if we don't get the money that the president's asked for, that is going to have a very serious negative impact on our ability to get the job done. so that was disappointing. but, again, i cannot conceal the satisfaction that democrats have in, again, working with john lewis, with the actions of katherine clark and david sicilini, with the management of it all all day and all night. with the periscope to give the outside world access to us. dr. o'rork.
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scott and mark ducano. so our members were very resourceful. that turned us up to a tree that has fallen in the wilderness that no one could hear. we'd just be taking to ourselves in the chamber to something -- i think it was 2.6 billion -- what was the figure? contacts one way or another. so technology has enabled us to communicate and social media. all of this would not have been possible without the activism of the outside groups whether it's every town, whether it's moms against guns, the -- of course the brady camp, the brady campaign the really leader of all us in this. gabby gifford's group. i was on the phone with 100 of the groups last sunday in
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preparation for the communication and activism we needed. so with that, i'd be pleased to take any questions you may have. yes. if i don't associate your voice in your direction, it's because i haven't been to sleep yet. did any of you get any sleep last night? i don't know. >> representative lewis said last night that you guys crossed the first bridge, that when you come back july 5th, you expect to continue in some capacity. speaker ryan said it's a danger roadwa -- dangerous precedent to hijack the floor. >> we'll be meeting to determine how we go forward, but we're still here. we will be as we had ended the debate on the floor, spoke to our folks outside and were so proud of them. many of them were there overnight and even in the rain,
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large crowds of people who have been communicating with congress to the tune of hundreds of thousands of calls. the -- and visits. we'll finish here, then we have our activism for all of next week because we cannot let this -- let me be really clear about this. we cannot stop until we get a bill, until law passed. this isn't about politics. it's not about elections. it's not about campaigns. it's about the safety of the american people. we want this off the table. we want issue a values victory and hope that the republicans could agree to that. we're watching carefully what's happening on the senate side now. so we'll -- again, we're very, shall we say, democratic with a small d as well as big d group. and members will decide what
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form -- what manifestation of opposition to the status quo and positive initiatives as we go home. something different in different groups. but stay tuned. yes, ma'am. >> democrats obviously reach add new level with this sit-in in terms of like vocalizing your frustration with republicans on calling for a vote. but you guys have also been vocal on the floor related to the amendment -- >> right -- >> -- standing up more vocally -- [ inaudible ] -- how you guys -- >> no, i think you have to just take it on a day-to-day basis. the effort yesterday inspired by john lewis, orchestrated by some of our members is a reflection of the frustration that they have had and the complete insistence that we cannot go
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through another moment of silence without taking action. a moment of silence just tlelef there is a moment of denial of a need to do something more. so i think that yoil see more spontaneity as to the form things will take. on the floor of the house, we were responding in terms of the maloney amendment. the maloney amendment, for those of you don't know, praim issesi obama issued an executive order, lgbt companies to participate in government contracts. republicans put in their bill a reversal of that codifying discrimination in fact. we won on the floor to remove that until they reversed the vote. that's when the activism started. we didn't go to the floor intending to do anything except
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hopefully win the vote. by when they in a very contrary to regular order way did what they did, then that evoked a response. so again, it's the setting that we're in. but we have to recognize, times have changed. anything that anybody wants to talk about that happened then and now, it's all different. technology has made -- you know that better than i, generationally and your p professions has made a tremendous difference in how realtime information is conveyed to the largest number of people evoke k a response. >> times have really changed as we're listening to leader nancy pelosi here and making reference to the fact that in their sit-in, they were able to united states social media to make sure that their voices were heard, to make sure that people knew what they were doing. they were having a protest against the fact that they were not able to vote on bills
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intended to make any type of reform to gun control in this country. nancy pelosi said the members are tired and frustrated of the gun violence and the carnage after new toiwn, orlando. she says she wants to have grief turn into hope and action. they continue to have these moments of silence. and while they will do that, it is not a substitute for action needed on gun reform related to gun violence. and then she quoted the book of james saying deeds not words. our kelly o'donnell is on capitol hill and has update for us about what nancy pelosi talked about, movement on the senate side. they took a vote. >> reporter: they did. this gives you an idea of how there are different spears of influence trying to address this issue. senator susan collins of maine, a republican on the moderate side, had been working behind the scenes for days to bring
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together some republicans and some democrats for a very narrow look at the terror watch list. her intention was to have a bill in which a very small number of americans who are on one of these watch lists, kind of a subset of a subset of a subset, would be barred from purchasing a gun on the front end. if they want to contest that on the issue of due process, were they properly on this list, if they were found to not be a threat, they could buy a gun later. the idea behind this is more broadly simple. if you're not safe enough to get on a plane, you're not safe enough to buy a gun. where things get a little complicated, sometimes a yes vote is a no vote and a no vote is a yes vote. republicans were committed to giving susan collins and the team of eight fellow senators a vote on this. by mitch mcconnell, concerned about his republicans up for reelection, did it in such a way
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that he was offering it as a way to table it. which means basically toss it in the trash. that was stopped. it allows this measure to kind of live on and they can come back to it again, but it doesn't mean there will be enough support for it. it got complicated by another measure, ron johnson, up for reelection in wisconsin. more focused on due process. and those republicans who believe the second amendment is so sacred that due process should not get in the way of someone's access to a weapon. and they believe the terror watch lists sometimes have errors. obviously on the other side, there is a sense that the danger is real. the number of people involved very small. we're talking about americans on this list, not broadly foreign-born terrorists because they're not able to buy guns in the united states anyway. so it's a bit of progress, but kind of like the sit-in, it
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doesn't really take us to a resolution. it seems there is political movement to try to do very narrow things, certainly political energy to talk ant the guns issue from a number of angles. t they will go home to their districts and states for the fourth of jiuly holiday. how they react to this from voters. but there isn't a concrete path to really change anything. that's sort of the movie we've seen play up here before. >> yeah. we know nancy pelosi addressing that there. luke asked the question. she said they're not finished and they're going to have activism next week. they are on break, adjourned until after the july 4th holiday. want to check back on our pulse question for you at home today. will the house democratic sit-in impact the future of gun control legislation. here's what you think. 89% say yes. 11% say no. check it out, pulse.msnbc.com. back after this. there are two billion people
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i think it is heartbreaking for the millions of immigrants who raised families here, who hoped for the opportunity to work, pay taxes, serve in our military and more fully contribute to this country we all love in an open way. >> president obama just a few hours ago talking about one of two major decisions from the supreme court today. this decision essentially blocking his executive orders on immigration. and it affects millions of people living in the u.s. i want to bring in jose diaz bill latter. he say this executive order as a last-ditch effort to overhaul immigration. so how does this i guess throw his plans backwards of the legacy of his presidency? >> thomas, i think that it's not even immigration reform.
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it's how to prioritize the people that are here and that don't have documents. and what the president was saying is, let us look toward the people that have roots in the united states, that have for example u.s. born children or children that are u.s. residents. let's say that we will not prioritize. we will not look for and deport the parents of those kid. let's look at those young people brought to this country through no fault of their own, crossing the border with their parents, and let's expand the number of people who could qualify to temperature rarely stay in the united states of america. it's a three-year process that they would have. so it's not making immigration laws. it's essentially prioritizing who this country looks to deport. i got to tell you, there are a lot of people here without documents that are committing crimes, and yet they see themselves saying and then they're deporting people who
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have u.s. born children or u.s. resident children and the priority of that is what the president was dealing with. and so the fact is that the supreme court, the texas plus 25 states said that the president didn't have the authority to do that. the president is making immigration law. everybody knows that it's the congress that makes immigration law or laws. and so it's -- meanwhile, you have 5 million people, thomas, that were looking for this as a possible way of coming out of the shadows, you know, temporarily, even. but to come out of the shadows and be able to register and say, here i am, and to be able to contribute to this economy and this society and this culture without those children going to school and not knowing if when they come home from school their parents are going to be home. >> the important factor from the supreme court, the fact that as pete williams described, these justices really leaving no
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fingerprints. do you think that once there is a sitting body, a replacement for judge scalia that this will once again rise to the level of the supreme court to be decided once and for all? >> certainly not in the obama administration's term. there's just not enough time. and i don't think the white house had a plan b if this came down the way it did to deal with it. they've done everything they say they could do on this issue. i got to tell you, the fact is that the supreme court matters. had alito been alive, it may be much more dogmatically anti-obama administration decision today. is there hope in the future? yeah. but not at this term. >> jose, thank you, sir. so tune in tonight, programming note for you. nbc nightly news with lester holt. he has a one-on-one interview with presumptive republican nominee donald trump. lester speaks to him first.
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british voters are making what could be their most important decision in decades. whether or not to stay in the european union. the vote has enormous implications for the u.s. and president obama and hillary clinton have pushed for britain to stay in the eu while donald trump thinks the uk should go it alone and some voters agree. >> if the government is the government that should rule you, i believe in eu are not democratically voted. you have a few men at the very top that decide to the rest of europe. >> anyone comes in this country, they come in, they stay. we haven't got room. we're a small little island. we're taking in so many refugees and we haven't got room, not even for our own people. >> quite divided and we won't
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have perfect polling about this until later today. and we'll be able to have more on the vote coming up this afternoon. nbc's chief global correspondent has more from london now. bill? >> reporter: good afternoon, thomas. thunderstorms and flooding are making voting hard across parts of britain and adding to the almost apocalyptic atmosphere around this vote. the turnout is expected to be high because this is the most important vote here in 40 years. far more important than any election. it's historic. it's been a passionate often vi vitriolic campaign. do you want to remain inside the european or leave the eu. britain's been a member since 1973. nearly every political leader here, most business leaders, as well as leaders like president
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obama want britain to stay. good business for jobs, for security, and for the western alliance. but there will be a strong vote to leave even if that campaign loses. there is a mood here that mirrors the trump campaign in the u.s. anti-immigrant, anti-leet, nationalists, desperate to take back control of the country and the economy. that's in the face of what they see as foreign threats or interference. that message has gained a lot of traction. immigration in particular has been a hot button issue in this campaign. and much more than that. it culminated in the murder of a pro immigrant campaigner and lawmaker jo cox. she also passionately wanted britain to stay in the european union. but this is not just about the uk. if britain did vote to leave, there would be a short-term hit to the economy.
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that could be contagious. it could hit europe and even the u.s. the federal reserve deciding this month not to raise interest rates partly because it was watching the british vote. if britain votes to leave other eu countries could ask for the same thing. the swedes, dutch, danes and so on. the voting will stop in a few hours' time. we won't know the result until the middle of the night your time. thomas, back to you. >> thank you, sir. that's going to wrap up my hour. my colleague kate snow picks things up right now. and good afternoon, every win. i'm kate snow in new york. to call it an extremely busy day filled with breaking news would be an understatement today. the senate just last hour voting to keep a bipartisan measure on gun control from republican senator susan collins, keeping it alive. that after a 26-hour sit-in by
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democrats in the u.s. house. and we've had decisions out of the u.s. supreme court today as well. a split 4-4 vote over a landmark challenge to president obama's executive action on immigration. that means the lower court ruling remains in place and prevents the administration from moving ahead with a program that would have given 4 million people temporary legal status. president obama responded. >> i think it is heartbreaking for the millions of immigrants who made their lives here, who've raised families here, who hoped for the opportunity to work, pay taxes, serve in our military, and more fully contribute to this country we >> just after that, the unprecedented democratic sit-in on the floor of the house came to an end. democrats have been defying house rules and demanding votes on gun control legislation on the steps of the capitol, congressman john lewis addressed supporters.