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that does it for us tonight. chuck will be back tomorrow. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm mark halperin. >> the countdown clock telling me we're now 23 hours and 48 minutes. >> if we had a countdown clock, i wouldn't need to tell you this. we'reless than 24 hours away from the start -- >> we do. i was kidding. >> in europe's final countdown. >> 21 hours and counting. that's the clock your screen. >> with the vote clock showing 2:17. >> we're counting down to tonight's cnn libertarian town hall.
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>> count down to shark week. >> 20 minutes set on the count down clock, starting now. >> count down. that's when you go three, two, one. ♪ it's the final count down ♪ >> an immigration deadlock, a gun control stand off and donald trump's policy plan plan. first, a brexit referendum scan. polls are now closed in the united kingdom where voters weighed in on whether to cut ties with the european union. we aren't going to know the results for a few more hours fp koumt could ha . the out come could have an effect. it comes on the day donald trump is taking break from the campaign trail and heading to scotland where he's checking on
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a couple of his golf courses. he's supported the idea of the uk leaving the eu with hillary clinton siding with president obama. president obama, in april, went to london and stood been the prime minister and got on the remain train. joining us, our london colleague. the polls have just closed. tell us whatou know. >> very little in terms of turn out. the polls have just closed in the uk. we're not going to get an official exit poll in the way we do with a general election. we might see the private polls come out in the next couple of hour p hours. the first results will come in about two hours time. these are approximate times. may might not be the exact time.
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the bulk of the results will come at 3:30 a.m. one of the most divisive votes in british history. whether to remain in the european union or not. a lot of issues will remain talking about the impact a leave vote could have on the uk economy and the leave camp focusing on immigration and on other issues like sovereignty. back to you. >> thank you very much. john, we have no idea what the results will be. what is the impact? >> this is first and foremost a european issue and an issue to the european union and britain. there is in your lead in there's an american component to it. what have driven the leave forces are a bunch of big global phenomenon. the populous impulse, the anti-immigrant impulse. the isolationist impulse. we've seen it in donald trump's
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campaign and the leave campaign there. it's a big test, it seems to me, of that movement. it's not just the uk and amer a america. how strong is that movement? how strong is it. this is the first and biggest and most important test. it may give us some sense of whether this global phenomenon is ebbing or flowing. >> it's a totally different situation. this is a specific vote about a specific win. i don't think it's going to impact the economy either way however the vote goes. it should be short term but i think the markets have figured out they are ready for anything. >> financial markets have been optimistic. it will defy the polls. >> the markets may just absorb it. >> it may or may not.
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if leave wins, i think just the narrative of what's happening in this country, you'll be able to look at that and say those impulses that i talked about before that had been fueling the trump movement will not change our electoral outcome. you'll look and say those forces are on the march. >> we'll talk more about the brexit vote later in the show. here at home, the gun control gridlock on capitol hill continued today. this afternoon a test vote on a bill sponsored by susan collins which would prevent people on terror watch list didn't receive the 60 votes to overcome the filibuster. that vote followed a remarkable and at times chaotic 25-hour sit-in protest by house
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democrats on the floor of their chamber that start yesterday and ended today. it created some unflattering optics for paul ryan who tried to finish at a business for adjourning for the fourth of july recess. this morning, ryan called the whole confrontation an inappropriate ploy by democratic house members. >> if this is not then why are they trying to raise money off of this, off of a tragedy. what they're called for failed in a committee in the house. the reason i call this is a stunt because they know this isn't going anywhere. it all ready failed in the senate. they may not like this fact, this bill couldn't even get 50 votes in the united states senate let alone 60. i don't think this should be a very proud moment for democracy or the people who staged this
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stunt. >> paul ryan not looking particularly clearful. what are the political fall out from what happened for both ryan and the gun control debate. where does this thing go now? >> incredible passions and energy and gutsiness of the people who cheered them on, including a lot of people who support their agenda. paul ryan has got on his side, a lot of people in the country who don't think this is agood legislation, and the rules of the house. without rules in the house, you have chaos. there's a lot of strong emoti s
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emotions. this people who would like additional gun control measures are as empowered and energized and organized as they have ever been. there may be more change sooner they i thought so. >> they will bring this back after recess in a big way. the place where democrats have the whip hand or the better argument, but in the country, where ever you stand on this issue, the notion of doing your job, taking votes on things. the same way that a lot of americans find it frustrating whether they are liberal or conservative that you can't get a hearing or a vote. why they can't proceed. if you don't like these measure, vote against the measures. i think that's a powerful argument that could sway a fair number of people in congressional elections going forward regardless of where you are. >> if they want this, they could
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do a discharge position. >> i can't imagine that may be something they will consider doing. there's a lot of interesting discussion about whether or not these bill, a lot of the democrats claim that if they got a vote, they would have passed easily. >> i don't think it will happen without the president calling paul ryan directly. supreme court split 4-4 today in case that was challenging president obama's immigration plan that leaves in place a lower court ruling that blocks president obama's executive order that shields as many as five million undocumented immigrants. shortly, president obama had this to say in the white house briefing room. >> this is an election year and during election years politicians tend to use the immigration issue to scare people with words like amnesty in hopes it will whip up votes.
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keep in mind the millions of us, myself included, go back generations in this country with ancestors put in efforts to become citizens. >> both the presidential candidates weighed in. hillary clinton put out a statement that said this is the stark reminder of the harm donald trump would do to our family, communities and country. trump has pledged to repeal the executive action. he called mexican immigrants rapists and murdermurderers. donald trump's state said this, the election and supreme court appointments that come with it will decide whether we have a border and hence a country. clinton has pledged to expand obama's executive amnesty by hurting poor african-american and hispanic workers by giving away their jobs by making us all
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less safe. how is this supreme court decision which upholds the lower court's ruling, what impact will that have in the presidential race. >> it's a decision by non-decision. it's a 4-4 split. it points out important this last seat is. that's always raised stakes for this presidential election. this is the future of the country rests on who gets elected. i think hillary clinton is playing a winning hand here driving hispanic turn out. >> the only advantage i think this gives trump because i think it does energize hillary clinton in states that she could use help, is it allows immigration to talk about immigration in terms of not the wall. it allows him to make an appeal on the use of executive orders
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which energize the republican base and also the question of the border. i think this gives donald trump a better chance. >> we haven't heard trump talk about the wall recently. it's obviously intentional. it's not an accident. i'm wonder the extent he will go back to the wall or he can escape the wall even if he doesn't go back to it. >> i think it's in his interest. >> i wonder if that's the case. it's a little unclear. i can see how it can play to trump's benefit in a small way. >> when we come back, hillary clinton has another big endorsement day. first, these words from our sponsors. after a long day,
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announced endorsements from more than 50 leaders. on the show yesterday we mentioned she picked up the endorsement of brent scowcroft. do you think that given the nature of this race that the endorsements from republican ceos or the republican national security stall worths are more damaging to donald trump or give clinton the advantage? >> i think the ones that matter the most will come from famous people nationally and also from state people. you'll see a fair amount of ohio republicans. they speak to the alienation certain segments have. it's way to drive news cycles.
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>> he is a businessman who touts his business skills and abilities and his main credential for being president of the united states. if hillary candidate becomes the candidate of big business, becomes clear she has the support of most of the business community, i think that's a huge asset for her going forward. that's a really big deal for her. >> barack obama did the same thing. helped him too. >> as we've told you, house speaker paul ryan has been rolling out a lot of policy plans over the last two weeks on health care, poverty, several
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other issues. the wall street jourj published -- journal published a couple of op-eds. they say it would be a good idea for donald trump if he embraced these proposals in order to cover he's not put out much policy and in order to unite the policy. here is what he wrote. the house agenda is the trump rosetta stone. it's way for the party's nominee and stressed out down ballot candidates to sing from the same hymnal rather than threaten to stab each other in the back. they are vital and may determine mr. trump's political fortunes. the shame is, he's making their work harder. how likely that trump would embrace the ryan agenda or is there some downside? >> if he's smart, he'll going with what they say and he'll
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embrace most, if not all of it. he has no real policy shop. he has no real policies flushed out in way we consider a presidential candidate to have policies. he needs some if he's going to be taken seriously. because of the fact the ryan thing people have differences about how good they are, they're credible, real. it sountds crazy to say you should out source this but given where trump is now, it's safety place to be. >> e suspect he will say i don't agree with everything but i agree with the broad strokes. they are vague enough. i don't think it could cause a problem. >> seems like there's a political advantage too. the question of how much ryan would be, to maintain the ryan endorsement and embracing much of the ryan agenda, it might
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house floor. joining us is the congressman from new york. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me on. sorry about the voice. i worked the late shift. >> you look pretty well rested. speaker ryan was pretty defiant today. tell me what your best case scenario going forward. >> republicans are now going to leave congress. they're going home on vacation and face some anger in their districts. they're constituents will want to know why they left for vacation without even voting on sensible legislation like no fly, no buy. they could have voted for it. they could have voted against it. they chose not only not to vote but the leave washington early because they didn't want the continue the week's work. they will spend a week in their districts feeling heat and they will come back on july 5th and
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feel some more heat. >> what's that heat going to look like from your side of the aisle? >> we said at the beginning of this week that we were going to use the tools in our tool box. some would be sharp and some would be blunt and some would be sharp and blunt. we said if we didn't get the vote, the republicans return to their district at their own peril. they wouldn't even allow us to have a vote. no matter how they felt, they wouldn't allow us to have a vote. then hay will come back on july 5th for a third consecutive week. >> does that mean you're thinking about resuming a sit-in? is that kind of thing you're going to do. >> i don't reveal the play book on national television. we gave them notice on monday
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that they should give us a vote and use every tool we had. i think they learned this week we're willing to dip into the tool box and use the tools. we have very few rights in the united states congress. one of our right s to put pressure and heat on the majority. that's what we did in washington. we're going to do it next week in their districts. we'll keep doing it until we get the vote you deserve. >> you feel you have public opinion on your side. there's a motion about recent events. what's the thresholds for not just going a more standard route and say a discharge petition than doinghat you did last night which is using civil disobedience to disrupt the house floor. when is that appropriate compared to the normal tactics available under the rules. >> we've tried the discharge petition. we have 180 members of congress. we have tried hearings. we have tried all the usual and customary routes to get a vote.
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all have been closed off to us despite the fact between 80 and 90% of american people support this bill. we tried bipartisan. it hasn't worked. the republicans have put us in a position of breaking decorum. that's what we did. i'll admit it. sometimes you have to break rules for greater good. this bill is a greater good. >> let me ask you about precedent here. do you have any concern that having set this precedent now that the day will come with democrats are the majority and the republicans will say i remember when the democrats did this and they will adopt civil disobedience. >> that is their right. i would respect it and support it. i can't think of any instance
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where we refused to allow republicans to have hearing. this is a bipartisan bill. paul ryan decide ed to shut us down. he left washington early last night. we were supposed to be in session until tomorrow. on wednesday night he said we're getting out of town. when you have that kind of resistance, you have to use non-traditional recourse and that's what we did last night. >> you did get a vote in committee, right? >> on the king thompson bill, no there hasn't been a vote. they will not allow this bill to advance. >> what's your attitude toward speaker ryan's attitude that he portrayed at his press conference? >> i sympathize with him. this is what john boehner went through. i think he agrees with the 75%
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of nra members who support this bill. he's a captive of a small group within his caucus that he believes may topple him if he demonstrates some bipartisanship. just like john boehner, paul ryan showed he's ineffective and as a result had to get his caucus to escape capitol hill last night. >> after a long day, long night, thank you very much for joining us. when we come back, brexit for dinner. we'll see what that tastes like right after this.
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i think britain will be stronger, safer and better off if we stay in europe. today's the day, so get out there and vote. >> that was david cameron on
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snap chat. you can't be on tv campaigning. the polls are now closed across the united kingdom on whether britain should exit the european union. yougov shows 52% voted remain while 48% voted leave. this is one poll and it's an online poll. great to see you both here. you said the word of the day is asymmetry. how so? >> basically, for markets it's an asymmetric outcome if it becomes a leave vote, which can still happen. we've just only seen the polls close. we have no idea what will be the
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outcome. the downside would be probably tremendous. we have seen starting rally about ten cents in the last seven sessions. that will probably all be erase. asmet asymmetric in the sense if you're gone, then you can vote to stay in the future. >> that's entirely true. the fall in sterling would be higher. most people thought it would have a 15% higher. maybe another 10, 20 cents on top of that. currency trade is waiting instead of mild terror in case this happens. people are sleeping in their offices, very similar to you. >> do you think the financial markets implication will be bad if the leave happens? >> yes. >> how bad? >> you would expect the pound to down by 20 cents, probably more than that. it's just under 150 at the
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moment. that's a huge change. people talk about 130. >> many reasons why it would weaken as well, not only because of the short term speculation but longer term you're talking about huge implications for british trade. what would be the regulations for them? would they move their headquarters. >> that's one thing you might have to think about. >> you're here and not there, but i know you're monitoring it. how emotional of a vote has it been? >> it was getting massively emotional until jo cox was
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murdered and then the temperature went down again. there are people for whom britain leaving the european union is one of the great causes of their life. they have sat and thought, often for quite honorable reasons, they are fed up with the regulation and want to take back the sovereignty. other people for less honorable reasons. they thought this is the big single thing that britain has done wrong. it's the equivalent of having a referendum on abortion in america. for some people this matters enormously. >> how has that manifested itself on television? >> i think the sheer passion and fury and it rose and rose. the murder of jo cox changed a lot of rhetoric.
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there's also countless politicians. david cameron, his future depends wholly on this. >> you also saw in the sense of who campaigned with whom. you would never see that in the course of a normal election cycle or voting cycle. >> it's made very odd bedfellows. >> this mood, the mood that that have been stirred up are not unique to britain. dop you think that if the remain vote wins, that that will, those will subside to large extent. they have been on the rise. that put kind of a cap on those things or continue to bubble in really dangerous way. >> less remains win by a large
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margin. say 55, 60%. cameron can say we solved this. let's put this to bed. if it's narrow, people will say it's all due to the horrible murder. otherwise we might have won and there will be things about immigration. those issues aren't going away. there are lessons for the american as the element about we all worried on the remain side. people worried about terrorist. murder teams to switch people the other way. people can get very, very angry about these things. when confronted in that last moment in the polling booth, they seem, if these exit polls or non-exit polls are correct, people seem to say i don't want to try the unknown. that would be something, if i was donald trump, i would look at. >> you would have many, many years of uncertainty.
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you wouldn't immediately have an exit. you'd have to invoke this article 50. it's two years of negotiations and you're not in the room with those eu leaders. >> if leave turns out to win, what happens tomorrow morning? >> well, next week eu leaders meet. tomorrow morning david cameron has a hasty meeting with his cap cabinet members. he's probably out of a job at that point. >> probably out of a job and markets will be going crazy. that's where it starts affecting the world economy and all those things. in the background the first few days, markets have begun to recover people because have begun to breathe a sigh of relief. this was close. the leave vote is still close to a lehman moment. >> to be clear, tomorrow morning
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britain would still be a member of the eu until there was a vote taken to withdraw. >> if you're buying a house in london, you would sit there and think, it's going to collapse in value. >> central bankers have their alarms set very early. they all said they will be there in case of liquidity moments. >> i'm praying for all your vast real estate holdings in london and the country side. stay with bloomberg. up next, we'll talk to ted cruz' campaign manager. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen to us on the radio bloomberg 99.1 fm. we'll be right back.
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what's your public supporter of whether you're a trump man now? >> it's been six weeks. i'm still waiting to see. his speech yesterday took a big step forward and along with his position on judge, which today we got the reminder of how important that is. makes a real stark reaction of what this campaign will be about and what the results of it will mean for america. i'm waiting to see, along with millions of americans and republicans to see how donald conducts the campaign and earns our vote. >> michael, you hear that from a guy who is a conservative republican, how does that you make feel and think about the challenge for the trump campaign? >> i think there's a lot of people just like jeff who are waiting for more, a few more points on this line to call it a trend. i'm confident we'll see a whole lot of it after a decision is made on monday. i believe with paul manafort in charge. he's putting up the structure he's always wanted to put up. i think donald trump will get
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the campaign he deserved. i think skeptics will see this is something to get behind. >> the campaign has kind of go to the may fund raising numbers are very bad in terms of on the ground, very very weak at this moment. mr. trump has said he doesn't care about data analytics. how much of that do you put at corey lewandowski's feet? >> it's about where this campaign is going forward. jeff you guys did good online as well. it's really tremendous. we got $3 million in 24 hours in online fund raising. he's never used that list before. democrats better be ready for about a $20 million month online fund raising churn from his list. i also think the mechanics of fund raising, the things that to be put in place, the vent proce
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place. we'll be seeing more and more success in fund raising. on the ground you'll see a lot more hiring. there's a lot of people being considered with the decisions on monday. those hires will happen. >> jeff, let me you this questi question. you're a big fan of data, of targeting, of ground game, of all the most leading edge kamg pa -- campaign techniques. i know you're on the outside, but as an observer of the trump campaign and what with know about from the reporting on it and mr. trump's own assertions, how worried are you about the state of that campaign? does it look in state of crisis as it does to some republican operatives? >> i would be remiss that without data, without online fund raising, they kicked my
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butt any way. that's on top of us raising $93 million which was a record for republican primaries getting eight million votes. i believe they will be able to put it together but they have to get going now. it boils down to data and analytics and ground equates to about a point and a half, 2.5, 3.5 points depending on how the democrats are doing it. the democrats are doing it well because they won so many campaigns. that means that the ground game made the difference. i think they have time. the rnc has done a good job ramping up. it's a generic model. they will need to make it trump specific. he's still in margin error up in places where he needs to be.
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he's doing better than you would anticipate him doing in places like pennsylvania and others. i think there's time to catch up. they do have to get going very quickly. >> you're coming back in the next block. let's rapid round. smartest pick for trump. >> tom cotton. >> anybody besides newt gingrich. >> the smartest thing the clinton campaign is doing now is what? >> keeping the pressure up on donald trump and i think right now, actually, they're going to start getting push back. >> jeff. >> i think their probably on ground mechanics is what you can see right now they're doing the best. >> keynote speaker at the convention. who would be the smartest pick? >> that's hard for me to say. i wish i could see jack kemp up there speaking. >> jeff. go with somebody alive, if you would. >> take it a different direction. if conservatives and take this into
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we're back with jeff rowe and michael caputo. mr. caputo, in your capacity as advisor working pretty hard out this cleveland, ohio. give us a sense of how prepared the campaign was for the possibility of a significant challenge to mr. trump's nomination? >> the whole caucus operations division is the trump office and the convention. they've been preparing from the very beginning. they've been expecting something. we're hopeful it's not going to happen but the communications
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team we put in place is mostly army veterans, people that are good under pressure, solid communicators wheith a lot of experience. more veterans than on any other team in politics. our floor operations team will be stellar. doug is an expert beyond all experts. >> jeff, you were preparing to be one of those inducers when we thought there was going to be a contested convention. what's your sense at this moment of how the degree of energy organization, motivation of those who would still like to try to dump trump? >> i think there's some there. i think the last six weeks we have gone through is really what's put this emotion and gave it energy. i think depending on how the campaign progresses in the next
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three weeks will be determinative of how much energy there is. essentially, republicans want to win. it's probably 50% more organized, more disciplined, better funded than you would hope. our posture is donald trump won the nomination and he will be our nominee. that's out of our control. we're not in talk, coordination with the effort.
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>> he had an aggressive campaign against ben carson and chris christie. whoo what is senator cruz waiting for? >> i think it's important, we were campaigning aggressively about the direction of the country and the conservative movement and representing those values. we had strong conversation about that for over a year. i think it's okay for everybody to take stock and see how the campaign plays out and have the trump campaign win over our votes and help put everybody in the same wagon. >> donald trump suggested he thought jeb bush and ted cruz were behind these efforts to whip up delegates. do you have that same suspicion? >> ted cruz was the only candidate who suggested a private meeting room. that meeting was denied. >> who denied it? >> the convention did. >> who's that?
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>> that's a very big thing happening in cleveland. >> would you like to say you decided it? >> i would tweet it if i did. i'm interested in seeing this thing peter out with a strong and positive campaign. the most important one is, you either are for change or you're for more of the same. eight more years of barack obama. i think you saw some of that in the speech yesterday. i think more, the conference calls they're having trying to gin up this dump trump movement. they're talking about 400 people being on that call. 280 of them stayed on for less than a minute. >> how do you know that? >> somebody watching the feed. >> must be the same information you got that we requested a meeting room, which is not correct. >> not correct. >> i would know if he did and we didn't. >> we'll have to hash that out. >> we will. >> who made that request? >> said it came from the cruz
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effort. listen, there's nothing wrong with requesting a meeting room. >> it was the same day that his father shot j.f.k. maybe. >> who's the second most likely republican nominee? >> i don't think there is one. i think trump's our nominee. he has the opportunity to get us all in the same wagon and get us to victory. >> you said the dump trump movement was 50% more organized and financed than you would have hoped. it's a real thing in your opinion. i think almost everybody watching this that assumes part of reason ted cruz doesn't endorse donald trump is he wants to keep his options open. are you saying there's no truth to that at all? >> we suited up. we got in the race. raised $93 million. won a dozen states.
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we're not in the jungle with a knife behind -- in our teeth waiting for the next opportunity to strike. that's not the case. he's taking some time. there's others doing the same thing. i think it's important. the conservative values that the senator holds dear are very important to him. at some point, i'm sure the two of them will get into a room. >> all right. ding dong. thank you both for coming on. we'll be right back. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them.
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they'll be coming in through the night. you can read the latest and there's a business week magazine exclusive interview with the president of the united states, barack obama. the president had lots to say about lots of stuff. >> until tomorrow. >> coming up, hardball with chris matthews. tie goes to the republicans. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm joy reid in for chris matthews. the supreme court delivered a blow to president obama's immigration policy. the judgment is affirmed by an equally divided court.

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