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you pay. the citi double cash card. double means double. has now voted to leave the european union. nigel ferrage, leader of the independence party heading up the leave campaign, which won, has a message for british prime minister david cameron. >> i hope this victory brings down this failed project and leads us to a europe of sovereign nation states trading together, being friends together, cooperating together, and let's get rid of the flag, the anthem, brussels, and all that has gone wrong.
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let june the 23rd go down in our history as our independence day! >> however, labor mp gisela stewart, one of the leaders of the leave movement, called for calm following this news. >> i think it is now incumbent on all of us to be very calm, remember that our responsibility is to the future of the unite d kingdom, and work together to start a process. because this is simply the beginning of a process. of initiating leaving the european union. and in the long run i think we will find that both europe and the united kingdom will emerge stronger as a result of this. >> we are expecting to hear from the prime minister within the hour as questions persist on whether cameron would remain on
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the job following this historic outcome. cameron was adamantly calling for uk to remain within the eu. markets across asia plummeted -- >> -- if it diminished us i would vote to leave but it doesn't, it amplifies our power. when we're part of these organizations we become a bigger force in the world with a bigger influence in the world. >> markets across asia plummeted in early trading in response to the brexit news and reuters is reporting bank of england has been in contact with banks and markets open until london as the pound tanks to a 35-year low. the white house says it has been briefed on the vote and will continue to be updated by his team. joining me from london is nbc's keir simmons. if anybody got any sleep, i think they're waking up with a shock today. >> there is a real sense of
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shock amongst many people here. other people celebrating. the sound of histories in the streets outside the british houses of parliament. cheers amongst those who voted in favor of leaving the european union. 17,200,000 so far counted to vote the european union. 16 million voted to stay in which tells you how divide divided this country is even while the referendum has decided that britain should leave the european union. in terms of that immediate reaction that you were mentioning, in the last half an hour, ftse futures down 9%. s&p futures down 5%. nikkei down 8%. crude down 6%. the pound dropped 10%. as low as it's been since 1985. euro down 4%. gold up as investors flee to safe haven investments. because there is -- there are huge concerns about the uncertainty that will now
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follow. for example, as you mentioned, we're waiting for the british prime minister, david cameron, to speak. we don't know whether he will still be prime minister in the months to come. already even amongst the lawmakers who called for a leave vote, there is disagreement about whether the british prime minister should stay as prime minister and lead the country through the coming negotiations. >> it seems a lot of people are very surprised. a lot of people knew this was going to be a tight race, which it very much was. but i think most people assumed that remain would somehow win. and i'm getting the sense that overnight a lot of people feel a little bit caught unprepared economically. and also when it comes to the logistics going forward. >> right, exactly. i don't think there's any way economically to be prepared for what potentially is about to play out. the leader of the european parliament is calling on european leaders to be
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level-headed. so perhaps that offers a glimmer of hope that what was predicted was the european leaders would immediately begin the process of punishing britain in order to try and hold the european union together. you can hear the cheers that continue to echo around the streets here in westminster. look, the europeans, what the european dozen in the next 24 hours will be crucial. if they do, if you like, stay level-headed rather than begin a process of trying to punish britain in order to hold the european union together, then perhaps going forward a way can be found that isn't damaging to the world economy. but the grimmest picture is of negotiations that don't move fast, a lot of uncertainty, which of course the world markets won't like, and you're talking about some of the largest economies in the world. we're talking about britain, we're talking about germany, france, the european union itself. we're talking about those
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countries stuck in negotiations over how they trade with each other, how they trade with the rest of the world. you only have to think about that to understand the potential implications for the world economy, and that's why it matters to people's 401(k)s, that's why it matters for american families, for american jobs, because that kind of fracture in such an important economy in the world could be very damaging for economies around the world. >> keir simmons, thank you very much. we've just found out all the votes are in at this point. an announcement from the prime minister is imminent. we are waiting for him to step out his front door and address his nation and frankly probably the world. hopefully in just a few minutes from now. let's go to david smith, washington correspondent for "the guardian." this morning a lot of people, if europe slept at all, i'm certain that everybody's watch going waiting to hear what the prime minister is going to say. do you have any kind of a sense of what that will be? >> hard to predict.
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i think he may well stand at 10 downing street and announce his resignation. that's what some people expect. he staked his reputation, his political power if you like, on this vote. some would say he never really needed to do so. it was a crazy gamble and now he only has himself to blame. but i think the other important thing people need to hear from him is a speech that builds or rebuilds a sense of national unity. this entire process has been extremely divisive. some ugly rhetoric on both sides. and on the map of the results it shows deep divisions in britain across class, across geography.
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it's a moment when the leader of a country really has to try and heal some of those wounds and remind everybody that ultimately they're all citizens of one nation. >> interesting. i was watching some of your colleagues on british television earlier. and first of all, they looked very surprised. which surprised me. but they were all sort of trying to hash through what on earth happens next? it really struck me that there are way more questions than answers about how you go forward and even where. what does that mean? >> well, yeah, i think it is a -- despite the polls, it is a big surprise for many who thought that just as he did with the scottish referendum, david cameron would get away with it and be lucky again. and now there is no playbook for this. there is no guide on how to
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unpick yourself from the european union. it's never happened before. we're all really sort of fumbling in the up known. and after all these years, you know, britain is deeply embedded, financially, legally, all of that has to be unscrambled and unpicked. it's a great moment for lawyers, perhaps, who will be probably working on the tech e e es technicalities of all this. so yes, there are -- not only are there a lot of unanswered questions, but in many cases we don't even know what the questions are in terms of disentangling yourself from the european union. and among other things, i think in the u.s. and elsewhere, there are concerns even on a military and security standpoint. the eu stood for a post-war
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alliance, sort of rising from the ashes of europe after two world wars. if you take the uk out of that, then it's a blow to an entire post-war consensus that the u.s. and the uk helped build half a century ago. >> david smith, thank you. kelly cobiella, nbc correspondent, joining us from london with the latest there. we are waiting to hear from british prime minister david cameron. kelly what are you hearing about that? >> from what we understand, the way this will play out from what we've been hearing over the past 24 hours or so is that first we will hear the official vote count from manchester, the head of the electoral commission coming out. no actual counting is happening at this location but she will come out, she will announce the official vote count. we understand all districts reporting now. 33.5 million votes cast on this
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referendum. and a difference of just over 1 million between the leave side and the remain side. of course the leave side coming out on top. so we'll hear from her first. and then after that announcement, we expect to hear from the prime minister david cameron in front of his residence at 10 downing street. what will he say? that's the big question. nobody really knows. we're hearing from leaders, other political leaders in the uk this morning, from leaders within his own conservative party, some saying that he should stay on, that he should not resign, this what this country needs right now is some stability to lead it through the next days, weeks, months of this brexit, of what will happen as the uk starts to negotiate its way out of the european union. remember as was said there's no blueprint for this. no country has ever left the european union. so nobody really knows how this will play out. and again, back to the politics.
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on the other side, within david cameron's party, you're also hearing a slight push toward new leadership. some voices saying, look, we need someone who is on the side of the leave camp to really figure out how the country gets out of these trade agreements and renegotiates now trade agreements with individual countries throughout the european union over the next days, weeks, months, years potentially. so a lot of political wranglings there. it will be interesting to see whether david cameron comes out this morning and says -- concedes defeat, essentially, not just in the referendum, also in his political future and simply steps down, or whether he stays the path, stays the course, and continues to try to lead this country forward after this monumental vote, a historic vote in great britain today.
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>> it certainly is. kelly, thank you very much. we are looking at the front door of 10 downing street where momentarily, perhaps, the prime minister is going to walk out and address his nation and the world. we just saw a picture just a moment ago of a line of press, probably all from around the world, in anticipation for this vote which actually turned out to be quite a surprise to many. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be right back.
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of the better banking project. nicholas, let's start with you. what do you think the prime minister should say this morning? >> well, i think he led britain to an avoidable disaster. this vote didn't need to happen at all. the referendum didn't need to be even called for. and he's definitely responsible for it. and he lost, his side lost as well. i think it's extremely hard for him to remain as prime minister. he'll have to resign either morning or this afternoon. he will have to find some replacement, conservative prime minister to replace him, because he still has a majority in parliament. he doesn't have to have elections. but i find it hard to imagine that he can remain as prime minister after such a defeat of his open making. >> susan, the world is watching, obviously. i don't think anybody in europe
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slept last night. including european leaders. right? so i would imagine that right now there are lots of phone calls being made. what do those phone calls sound like? >> definitely, i think there are a lot of phone calls being made. i think a lot of it is trying to get everybody toward calm. how do we not overreact to this situation? we know financial markets are going to have a big reaction. right now it looks like the futures are saying the market in the uk is down 9% just to give you perspective. that would be over 1,500 points on the dow in the u.s., that's a humongous drop. i have to say, given you know that's what's coming, if you're prime minister, if i'm david cameron, i don't know that i would resign this morning. i think there's so much instability right now, maybe let everybody take a breath for a day or a week, then come back to the idea of politically what does this mean? >> nicholas, if. >> you were european union what would you be doing right now? trying to fight this? if so, what are their options for doing so? >> first of all the financial markets might have a sigh of
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relief if cameron goes. i'm not so sure he'll make the situation worse if he goes. in terms of european union, they would like to make the situation as smooth as possible. at the same time, they don't want to give in too much to britain. because there are other countries which might use the same tactics and make a referendum and ask for more stuff, so on. so it's a kind of a balancing game. on the one hand, you want the situation not to get worse, and especially not to get worse in the next few days when the financial markets is in upheaval. at the same time, you don't want to encourage other countries of following the path of great britain. >> what's your take on that? >> well, i think that that's true. i also think we have to remember, though, the uk is the fifth-largest economy in the world. so they are in their own right a majoay here. and the eu knows that -- while i do believe there will be potentially punitive measures, they don't want to make it look
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too easy to get out, they'll worry about other members getting out irk think they know they're an important ally in this broader community and they can't dismiss them as a trading partner. >> i think there's another aspect of it. is that the other europeans will feel that with the britain outside the european union, the dominance of germany increases. so to some extent how this is going to play out will depend on what coalitions are created within europe in the next few months to balance the situation. the new situation. to balance germany. and that remains to be seen. i'm sure that france will have an initiative of sorts. but i don't know how it's going to work out, how it's going to play out. >> and i would also say that i think -- >> i need to stop for just a second. because somebody just stepped up to a microphone to make an announcement, let's listen to that. >> -- certified and announced
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and i have therefore been able to certify the results of the referendum on the uk's membership of the european union. as chief counting officer for the referendum on the uk's membership of the european union held on the 23rd of june, 2016, i hereby give notice that i have certified the following. the total number of ballot papers counted was 33,577,342. the total number of votes cast in favor of remain was 16,141,241. the total number of votes cast in favor of leave was 17,410,742.
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the number of ballot papers rejected -- the number of ballot papers rejected was as follows. no official mark, 232. both answers voted for, 9,084. writing or mark by which the voter could be identified, 836. unmarked or void for uncertainty, 15,207. the total number of ballot papers rejected was 25,359. this means that the uk has voted to leave the european union. i would like to thank once more
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the counting officers and election staff, the regional counting officers, the chief election office for northern ireland, the clerk to the gibraltar parliament, electoral registration officers, the royal mail, and manchester city council. i would also like to thank all of the electoral commission staff, past and present, and particularly the deputy chief counting officer andrew scallon. thank you very much. >> that is nigel ferrage who's been making a lot of announcements today. he was pro-leave. we were just listening to jenny watson. that is described as a formality. let's go to nigel ferrage. >> -- now there are 17 million people that voted for brexit. it's a victory for ordinary people, decent people.
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it's a victory against the big merchant banks, against the big businesses, and against big politics. i'm proud of everybody that had the courage in face of all the threats, everything they were told, they had the guts to stand up and do the right thing. the election was won in my view, in the midlands of the north. i think it was the old labor vote that came to us. we particularly as a party campaigned as hard as we could in those areas. there is still a massive disconnect between westminster, sw1, and real communities. and the one image i will remember throughout the rest of my life was a woman in bolton grabbing my hands with tears in her eyes saying, why doesn't david cameron, why doesn't the govern, come and see what they've done to my community what they've done to the prospects for my kids? people here don't understand. they're too wealthy, they don't get what open-door mass
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immigration as a result of eu membership has done to people's wages, to people's availability of getting gp appointments or their kids into local schools. this was the issue ultimately that won this election. so i'm thrilled that we've done this. i believe the other big effect of this election is not what's happened in britain but what will happen in the rest of europe. the rest of the eu, euro skeptic parties talked about leaving the eu, now they are. an opinion poll in the netherlands said a majority in there now want to leave. so we may well be close perhaps to nexit. similarly in denmark, a majority in favor of leaving, so we could be quite close to dexit. i'm told the same may apply to sweden and perhaps austria and perhaps even italy too. the eu's failing, the eu's dying. i hope we've knocked the first brick out of the wall. i hope this is the first step
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towards a europe of sovereign nation states, trading together, neighbors together, friends together, but without flags, anthems, or useless old unelected presidents. what happens now? what happens next? 70 million people ha-- 17 milli said, we must leave the european union. we now need a brexit government, a government that gets on with the job, a government that begins the renegotiation of our trade relationship, a government that will be mindful that already many of the german car manufacturing unions have said, let's get on and do a deal, let's go on buying selling motor cars and wine and cheese with each other. but a government also that at the same time uses the opportunity of brexit, the opportunity is we're now freed to start making our own trade deals and associations with the rest of the world. we've left behind with this result. we've left behind a failing political union.
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we've given ourselves the chance to rejoin the world in the 21st century global economy. so we need, as i say, a brexit government. we need for negotiations to start as soon as humanly possible. we need to start thinking globally about our future. and the other thing i think that needs to happen is upthe 23rd needs to become a national bank holiday and we will call it independence day. >> let's go to nbc correspondent kelly cobiella. we were hearing from nigel ferrage, independence party. he obviously was in favor of this vote and it went the way he wanted it to. he is also one of the people who's crying the loudest for david cameron, who is about to speak, to resign this morning, correct? >> yeah, and just to give you a sense of who this is, nigel ferrage is the leader of the uk independence party, almost a
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figurehead for brexit, he is the one who has been pushing for this, calling for this for several years now. it was really his party and gains in elections, gains in polling, that pushed the conservatives, pushed david cameron, into promising this referendum vote in the first place. a lot of this really was about internal politics within the united kingdom. power politics, rise of a different party, a party that was obviously anti-europe, very euro skeptic. and then of course you had the labor party and the conservative party. the conservative party very much threatened threatened the past couple of years and sort of as a way to regain from them, david cameron put forward this idea of either, "a" renegotiating terms with european union or "b" if that didn't work calling for a referendum. so nigel ferrage is an important
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figurehead in all of this and that's why you're hearing from him so much right now. he in a sense feels vindicated, i'm sure, feels that this truly was what the people of britain wanted. he claims to have spoken to people throughout the country, throughout the middle of england, in northeastern england, northwestern england, places where they've seen very difficult economic times, huge job losses, changes in industry, changes most recently in the steel industry with a huge potential collapse there, loss of a lot of working-class jobs. and he really connected with these people and heard from them, what they were unhappy with was the status quo, was the ties with the european union. the problems with global trade, with globalization. and of course feeling like they had been left out, left behind by london. >> kelly, thank you very much.
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we have just learned that the french government will hold a vote in 30 minutes from now. we are also watching 10 downing street where the prime minister is expected momentarily to walk out the front door and address his nation following last night's vote. we are going to take a quick break.
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we are awaiting remarks from british prime minister david cameron following the official certification of the eu referendum. joining me now from london is nbc's keir simmons. keir, we're about 30 minutes away from the markets opening over there in london. we know that the french government is meeting in just 30 minutes to discuss this whole thing. bring us up to speed. >> that's right. we're waiting for the british prime minister to make a statement. we have the answer i think or at least a glimpse of the potential answer to one question, will he continue as prime minister in the british foreign secretary saying that david cameron does plan to continue as prime minister. i suspect that he will say that
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he needs to be there as the man with the most experience to lead the uk through what will be a very uncertain time. as you were mentioning before the break, we heard from one of the leaders of the independence campaign, nigel ferrage, speaking here to the right of me. he is hailing this as a victory for the little guy against big business, against big politics. he says that europe can be a group of sovereign trading states. you can hear that there are people who have really liked that message, celebrations in some of the streets here. others of course waking up in shock and trepidation. i guess the question is, nigel ferrage says, for example, german carmakers are already saying, negotiate, do a trade deal, we want to keep selling cars to britain. the issue is it's much more complex than that for european
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politicians who know many of their politicians think they would like to leave the european union, which in the end would result in the breakup of the european union itself. and so there is a real possibility that europe will decide that it needs to punish britain in order to keep the european union together. in order to send a message that it isn't beneficial to leave the european union, despite the singing that you can hear behind me singing by those who voted to leave. if that happens, effectively there was a trade disagreement within europe, perhaps a trade war is too strong a way to put it. you can imagine the implications for the world economy if that is playing out over a number of years ahead. >> keir simmons, thank you very much. ben jacobs, political reporter with "the guardian." we were hearing about the possibilities of what europe could do. we know the french government is meeting in about 30 minutes from now. punishment what would that look
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like? >> what punishment would look like would be forcing draconian terms and making it tougher for the united kingdom to leave the eu. that you have such an interwound trade relationship and such importance on the open market, on the fact that goods coming from united kingdom into europe and from europe into united kingdom aren't subject to tariffs, trade duties. that people can come and go freely. in england, from other untries. and that making that problematic as moving forward so that goods won't be able to come freely, there will be tariffs tial people have to wait for passport control coming in and out of the united kingdom, setting up ways to make life much more difficult for british citizens wanting to do business in europe. >> has eu given any indication what they will do? >> there have been some initial comments from eu from the leader of one of the major groups in the european parliament which is just saying that british voters have made their decision, we have to work through this, this has to happen within two years,
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this can't be dragged out. but you've made your bed, it's time to sleep in it. >> what about other nations. have they ever given any indication that if this vote could possibly do this way, they would consider doing the same thing? >> well, there was a visit from president obama to the united kingdom several months ago where he made clear there wouldn't be special treatment for united kingdom if they left the eu in hopes of keeping britain in the eu, there wouldn't be any preferred deal, they'd have to get to the back of the line with everyone else for free trade agreements moving forward, since they wouldn't be covered in free trade agreements with europe. >> what do you think about how turnout affected this vote today? >> well, turnout was record turnout. it was one of the highest turnouts in british history. 72% turnout. there was the belief among leave campaigners that higher turnout would hurt them that people would end up making it out and more voters would seek to remain. what you ended up seeing was a sense that a lot of people
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weren't quite honest in the polls that they were hesitant that being voting for leave was not the popular thing to do, and once it got to the privacy of the voting booth, they ended up voting to get out of the european union despite what they told pollsters. >> thank you very much, ben jacobs. we'll take a quick break. we're waiting on prime minister david cameron to come out that front door momentarily.
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welcome back to our breaking news coverage of the overnight vote in the uk which voted that the uk would in fact leave the european union. the prime minister david cameron announced that he will come out that front door and speak just as soon as the final votes were tallied. they have been, it has been officially announced, so that speech should be imminent. we're joined by susan ox. over the break you were saying you wouldn't be surprised at all if the prime minister came out that door and announced he does
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not intend to resign, that he intends to do the opposite? >> i do. and i think we talked earlier about the idea that with so much turmoil in the financial markets, that would just be throwing another log on the fire. in addition, i think that there's a case for him to make to say, if we're going to negotiate our extraction from eu, you need somebody controlling that process that can bridge both sides. there were 16 million people that didn't vote to leave who still see a lot of benefits to being a part of eu. he can make the case to say, i will unify, bring these groups together, i can respectfully unwind us from the european union, maintain some of the trade deals. whereas if perhaps nigel ferrage or boris johnson, who have been very credit careful eu, what is that that's going to look like if they're leading it? >> nigel ferrage announced he wants a brexit government formed immediately and put in place to negotiate this deal. so obviously the people who are
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pro-leave want article 50 right away, they want the ball to start rolling immediately. on the other side, people are really calling for calm. and calm is probably what the markets need more than anything. and which is the way forward, in your opinion? yes, david cameron? out, david cameron? >> in the short-term it's much more beneficial to keep him there. there are a lot of mechanics to government and how treaties work and partnerships work with other countries that get very complicated and technical. i think having a seasoned hand even in the short-term over the next months would be incredibly beneficial to them. i do think they need to think carefully about who would succeed him if it's not him. again, i think boris johnson is much more of a flame 34 and is that the person that you want negotiating treaties? >> boris johnson, former mayor of london, it is argued and reasonably well argued he used to be for pro-remain and this was his way towards that
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residence of being very political for him. we know he's a very ambitious man. >> yes, and i think nigel ferrage is also very ambitious. him call for a brexit government feeling kind of polarizing if you are part of the group that didn't vote to leave. because you want a government that represents everybody, not just represents half the country that voted in a certain way. i think the messages around how do we come together, how do we unify, how do we create maybe some kind of unified government that's controlling downing street that's partly brexit, partly remain people that can really negotiate i think in good faith for the entire country. >> the big question, the most immediate question, we are about 15 minutes away from a very big moment post-vote which is the marks are going to open over there. what are your predictions? >> i think it's going to be tough. and so what happens in our financial markets most of the time is trading gets
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concentrated in the beginning of the day and the end of the day. that's usually what we see, lighter in the middle. i think we're going to have a big beginning. i think there's going to be a huge drop to start the day. if you look at the futures markets it's already predicting that. rough going in asia, significant drops in the markets there. i think we'll city a big drop. i think you'll see it start to come back and end in the mid to really bad range, not in the off a cliff range. >> do you think investors prepare themselves at all for this scenario? >> no. >> absolute surprise? >> absolute surprise. there were rumors this the past week that there are a number of hedge funds doing their own polling, that they were conducting their own polling, sort of had this secret information. you saw a lot of people starting to invest very heavily in the british pound just yesterday. >> polling voters? >> doing their own polling in the uk. these are rumors. nothing substantiated. you start to see a lot of people betting on the british pound. and the thinking was, oh, these
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investors must know something that i don't. so you see more people flooding to invest in the pound. and a lot of people took that to say, oh, the markets must believe that the vote is going to be for remain. so we're going to follow them. >> thank you. joining us now is christopher dickey, foreign editor for "the daily beast," joining us on the phone from paris. i think, is that correct? >> it is. >> thank you very much for joining us. i want your reaction to all of this. >> well, i think there are a couple of things to keep in mind talking about the markets and the economic impact. first and foremost is the extent to which xenophobe yeah and fear of immigration drove this debate. nigel ferrage who's getting a lot of press launched a campaign a few days ago where he saw syrian imflannels flooding into eastern europe, making the point that was somehow going to happen to great britain. terrorism in france played a role.
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there was a lot of the fear behind this. it wasn't just about the economy. a lot of those fears were shared on the continent. i think we're going to see a huge centrifugal effect here. we've already seen the anti-immigrant parties in the netherlands and in france which have been gaming strength, already calling for their own referendums on europe because running against europe has become the prime political currency for the extreme right on the continent of europe. so it's really going to be i think quite a mess. >> who do you think are the prime candidates for that kind of action within the european union? who would it be in their best interests to have other countries follow? >> it's not a question of whether it's in their interests, it's a question of whether the politics play in that direction. and i think france is really the most problematic. only 41% of the french wanted britain to stay in the union. and in 2005, when the french had
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a referendum on what was then the draft of the eu constitution, they voted it down. le pen, leader of the xenophobic far right, is set to come in first place in elections next spring as president of france. she probably will not win the second round but she's going to have a very strong foundation. and it's going to be built in part on the idea of a french river rep dumb on the european union. the french unlike britain are part of the euro. they are part of the free travel zone within the european boreders. if they start to move seriously toward pulling out of europe, then europe essentially collapses. >> interesting. just looking over the years, this is not a new issue. it's been decades, really. in fact, the last vote of its kind was in 1975, i believe.
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and i was looking at some of the numbers, that back there at that time i think it was like 30% of britons thought that they should leave the european union. why the gigantic swing in this way since that time? >> fear. there was fearmongering on both sides. it really is a sense that, among many brett tons, particularly conservative britons, that they were losing control of their own country. not only to the european bureaucracy but to immigration. ironically the immigrants that they were actually concerned about were other europeans who are poles, particularly, and people from other parts of the european union who were given the right to work in the uk. what's going to happen to those people? if you go to a hospital in great britain, you're likely to have poles, romanians, other people, taking care of you. are they all going to leave now?
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are they going to not be able to work anymore in the uk? what about the uk, the british people who, for instance, have vacation homes here in france, who retired to france, who retired to spain? will they have the same rights as before? actually, no, they won't. all these questions are up in the air, all of that has to be negotiated. nigel ferrage and the leave campaign were trying to persuade britons and apparently were successful in saying, we're not going to lose anything, we're going to have independence, global economy, we're strong. well, they're strong as part of europe. it's not like there's huge up employment in britain. unemployment is at 5% in britain. so, you know -- this was based on emotions. and that is the problem with referendums. that's why governments hate to hold them. because all kinds of events that don't have to do with long-term development or planning can come into play.
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in this case you had terrorism in france, you had the immigration crisis which was huge throughout europe and still hasn't been resolved, with the immigrants from syria, north africa. and all of that has played into this vote. so we now are in a new world this morning where britain is going to have to rethink itself and europe is going to have to rethink itself. >> well, the only thing that is absolutely clear right now is that we have way more questions than answers. that is for sure. christopher dickey, thank you very much, "the daily waste." susan ox, thank you very much as well. we're going to take a quick break. we are waiting for prime minister david cameron to come out and speak. we understand that that is imminent. we'll bring to it you live.
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all eyes of the world are on this front door of 10 downing street right now waiting for prime minister david cameron to come out and address the public and the world after losing the brexit vote last night to the leave campaign. many questions remain. the markets are about to open in about five minutes. the french government meeting in 30 minutes. much more news to come, we'll bring to it you live. our coverage continues with betty nguyen after this. ♪ you're not gonna watch it! ♪
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don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. hello, i'm betty nguyen continuing msnbc's breaking news coverage on britain's eu referendum. the world is waking up to incredible news. the uk has voted to leave the european union. british markets have now opened. nigel farage, leader of the uk independence party, is heading up the leave campaign and he has a message for british prime minister david cameron. we'll try to get that to you in just a moment. he's been talking about the future of the european union. let's take a listen to that. all right, technical difficulty right now. let's get on the ground now there in europe and go to dear simons with nbc news. keir, as we look at all of this,
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a lot of people were surprised because this was a very tight vote. and obviously those backing leave have won this one. what does this mean for the global economy? >> yeah, i mean, look. the leave vote won but britain is a divided what does it mean global economy? >> reporter: the lead vote, britain is a divided country. it was 16 million votes in favor remain remaining in the european union saying they wanted to leave. that division is going to raise many, many questions. will scotland want to leave britain or will northern island say the same thing. how will european reacts to to the decision that britain could have made two years worth of negotiations. whatever you think is the outcome ultimately of this referendum, that uncertainty going for a