split with sanders and clinton and you saw a lot of that back and forth. >> that's it. shades of the u.s. election. >> cal perry, thanks for that. appreciate it. that's going to do it for this hour. i'm steve kornacki. "mtp daily" starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington, and welcome to a friday edition of "mtp daily." wow, what a day. we're following the enormous shock waves from britain's historic vote to leave the european union. global markets are plummeting. the dow closed down more than 600 points. the british prime minister is resigning. politicians in france, denmark, sweden, the netherlands and a few other places are calling for their own referendums on eu membership and everyone is trying to figure out what it all means for the future of the u.s.

economy and this presidential campaign. in short welcome to our latest mess. but here's a way to make sense of this historic day. what the uk is going through is what every western democracy has been going through, including ours. we are all confronting a middle class revolt fueled by stagnant and struggling economies. anxieties over immigration are driving these revolts and a destabilized middle east only heightens those fears. the political divides in britain mirror the political divides in this country. just like in the u.s. there was a noticeable urban/rural split in last night's vote that also happened to fall along ideological lines. citing immigration concerns conservatives in rural areas voted to leave. more urban centers like london wanted to stay. the immigration issue here can't be overstated because it collides with middle east policy. you're looking at vote leave leader nigel farage in front of a campaign billboard depicting a flood of syrian migrants pouring over the border. of course that wasn't a british

border u aboutbut it didn't matter to the voters there. this is a leaflet which warns of turkey's potential admission to the european union by reminding voters that it shares a border with syria. folks, it's all connected. the white house and the west chose not to intervene in syria. what followed was a migrant crisis that poured millions of refugees and hundreds of thousands into europe. it fed anxieties which became a rallying cry for folks struggling economically. by the way, that doesn't mean intervening in syria wouldn't have caused this either. the point is all of this is connected, and you can't deny that. we'll have to see if this helps trump here at home or ends up serving as a risk example that hurts him here at home. but bottom line it isn't just britain. global elites everywhere are taking it on the chin. the brexit vote the rise of trump, conservative revolts, immigration, a staying nant

economy, we're watching a collision of them all right now. for his part president obama tried to take a reassuring tone today when addressing the turmoil during an address at stanford university. >> i do think that yesterday's vote speaks to the ongoing changes and challenges that are raised by globalization. but while the uk's relationship with the eu will change one thing that will not change is the special relationship that exists between our two nations. that will endure. >> i'm joined by mike mcfa uchl l -- mcfaul who just wrapped up a meeting with president obama about the situation around the globe. president obama is visiting stanford right now. ambassador, good to see you, sir. >> thanks for having me chuck. >> let me start with maybe a simple question with a not-so-simple answer. what does the brexit mean for the average american? >> i think for the average

american it means that our place in the world is just a little weaker today than it was 24 hours ago. let's remember that great britain as the united kingdom has been our closest ally in everything. they deal with european issues very closely with the united states. by having them exit the european union, their voice is lost in the european union and we have a lot of business that we do with europe and with the european union. one of our closest allies will no longer bowe there for us. >> what's the administration's response? i know you're spending some time with the president and his national security team. how do they deal with this now? >> well the president is here to talk about global entrepreneurship, not brexit let's be clear about that. >> fair enough. >> it's been a fantastic event. but formally, of course you've seen their statements. they say we're going to continue our special relationship with the united kingdom. we're going to work to manage

the damage. but informally of course this is a setback. there's just no way around it. european disunity is not good for american interests. it's not good on several dimensions because of the eu but it's also not good because it weakens our ability to deal with russia. >> ambassador earlier you called this on twitter, a giant victory for putin's foreign policy objectives, give him credit. do you feel like he actually helped influence the result of the brexit? >> no, no. i didn't mean to imply that and i wanted to clean that up. twitter is a hard place to be nuance e nuanced, right? he didn't have anything to do with it but hi foreign policy benefits tremendously. for years putin has wanted to see a nonunity disunity within the european union. he wants to deal with each individual country, not collectively. and he has for many years said this. i've heard him say this. so for their foreign policy

objectives, this most certainly is a win. >> i wanted to ask you about the migrant crisis. look, everything -- this is a reminder that everything is connected. economic anxiety around the world coupled with a migrant crisis coupled with a decision about what to do with syria. it is all interconnected. but how much more pressure should this put on us as a superpower to do more about syria, considering that the migrant crisis did have an outsized impact on the brexit? >> it's a great point, chuck. i think there's sometimes a theory among foreign policy analysts that there are states and there are unitary actors and they behave rationally and there's a balance of power between them. the reality is exactly the opposite as we just saw tragically last night. the immigrant crisis the immigration crisis in europe as a result of what's happening in syria just affected very directly our national interests in terms of our ability to do

what we want to do in europe. and so we have to address those problems when they arise because they come back to haunt us in these very unintentional ways. >> ambassador mike mcfaul, as always, thank you very much. now let me turn to counsel on foreign relations, president richard haass and andrea mitchell, host of "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc. andrea, let me start with you first. the administration here we've heard from the president on this, but they're basically being quiet about this. i feel like they don't know yet how to react. >> they don't know how to react. it is an extraordinary event and they -- the president was on the wrong side of it politically. their ally lost david cameron. this is an earth-shattering event. it's not as though britain has not even from the common market days been divided and ambivalent

politically about european integration. but we're talking about post world war integration which started with france and germany to try to politically integrate so that they would never have another world war. and then the economic integration which never fully was achieved. and for this to happen it's just earth shattering. >> richard haass, let me ask you this. what do we do next? what does president obama do? we know the next president will have to deal with this challenge. but what does he do, for instance, is it still a special relationship or is our special relationship and is berlin more important to america's interests right now than london? >> well the honest answer is it hasn't been quite that special for some time. if you remember for example, it was the british parliament's refusal to support the prime minister in attacking the syrians after they used chemical weapons that set in motion what

i believe is president obama's weakest moment as president when he didn't follow through on his promise to make syria pay a price for using chemicals and crossing a red line. and the british have become slightly more parochial over the years. but this will accelerate it dramatically. so you'll hear talk like you did today from the president about the special relationship, but it rings increasingly hollow. germany is already more imean politics, in terms of relations with russia. obviously economically germany has more weight. so i think in the future increasingly with europe doesn't go through london. plus london is going to be preoccupied, chuck, not with europe not with its role in the world, but the united kingdom is unlikely to stay united. they're going to have the spin-off of scotland and quite possibly northern ireland. >> andrea look this is a crisis, and i guess we should take comfort in the fact we're not alone here in america. distrust of institutions. it's not just an american

phenomenon. >> i think that's the other reason to your first question the other reason for the his hesitance of the white house. on social media i think effective snarky video was tweeted out against donald trump for being so involved with his golf course rather than with brexit. but the fact is they are vulnerable to the same tsunami of populism. we've seen it with bernie sanders, they have seen it with donald trump and this is a flashing warning sign politically for the democrats in this election year that they have to be concerned that there is this vote this popular uprising, against elites against conventional wisdom, against stabldestablished politicians, class frustration and against immigration. that's what sanders represents that's what trump represents. trump with a racial overtone with a lot of his support. sanders of course not. but there still is this anti-intellectual and anti-elite

movement, and that's what they have to worry about in this election year. >> richard, i want to ask you about trump here in a minute but both trump and joe biden both happen to be in parts of the -- i want to call it disunited kingdom these days. here's joe biden in dublin earlier day. >> we see in my home country where some politicians find it convenient to scapegoat immigrants instead of welcome them, to play to our fears. build walls instead of bridges. it has been unamerican what we have been seeing. >> look obviously the issue of fear of immigration and migration, it was used in the uk, it's been used here in the united states, we've seen it here in france it will get used in other democracies as well. i guess what's an effective response here richard, by elites in this country? >> you're right in what you're saying. the german decision to let in as many immigrants as they have

done more than anything else probably changed the reality of european politics and lit the fuse that led to the brexit vote. i still think it's going to be some combination of legal immigration, a path to citizenship or legality for the undocumented and great security. and the question is can you do what people want on security. quite honestly even if it's excessive in terms of screening and all that in order to get the legal immigration that's fueled our economy and in order to do something about these 12 million people in the united states that don't have a normal life. that's the basics of a deal. i just don't know if the political environment allows you to do it. if not, it will just be parked for some time and we'll all be the losers for it. >> i've got two out questions for both of you. for you, andrea is the uk is what they did an endorsement of the donald trump world view and does that in turn help give him credibility? >> i don't think it helps give him credibility, but it gives

him political clout, if you can see that distinction. i think it increases the political stock, if you were buying stock on vice presidential tickets sweepstakes, i think it increases elizabeth warren's stock for hillary clinton. >> that's interesting. and the out question for you, richard, is this. do you believe there could be an attempt to sort of revote? you know you've already heard some buyer's remorse from some and it's anecdotal. but cameron already decided, he already backed off and he said he's not going to codify this yet. does that tell you there's a chance? what do you read into that? >> yeah i think there will be some combination of voters remorse, almost a hangover. and a lot of people who voted for brexit wanted to send a signal and not bring about brexit. i think they succeeded beyond their own am sixbitionsambitions. chuck, i don't think people in brussels will want it. i don't think they can afford to set a precedent where everyone

can choose his or her own relationship with the eu. >> wow. i hadn't thought about it that way. it's sort of like okay you're out, you're out. what a day. thank you both. coming up, we're going to spend more time on the brexit and what it does and doesn't mean for american politics in the 2016 election. senator mike lee joins me with his reaction. he says focus on the uk first over the eu. we'll talk more. we'll be right back. hands? man, it's like pure power at your finger tips. like the power to earn allstate reward points, every time i drive. ...want my number? and cash back for driving safe. and the power to automatically find your car... i see you car! and i got the power to know who's coming and when if i break down. ...you must be gerry. hey... in means getting more from your car insurance with the all-powerful drivewise app. it's good to be in, good hands.

he's constantly dictating to other countries so it doesn't stop at the waur'ster's edge and he got it totally wrong and he's embarrassed. >> in what has to be one of the strangest press conferences, i feel like i've uttered that before donald trump bashed president obama on foreign soil. he actually did it on soil he owns. a place that voted

overwhelmingly to remain. basically it was one surreal victory lap, if you want to call it that. >> great similarities between what happened here and my campaign. they got tired of seeing stupid decisions. you have bad trade deals here too, knowing the people here very well but not wanting to get involved but i felt that was going to happen. >> we're going to spend a lot more time on the blex it and donald trump just ahead. we'll talk to senator lee in utah in those topics. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you

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legislation to preserve our country's relationship with the eu. he joins me now. so i'm trying to understand now, were you in favor of brexit or not? >> not being a resident of the united kingdom, it's not my place to tell them what to do but i certainly understand the emotion that went into it. the feeling that they were subject to a distant centralized power that was becoming increasingly bureaucratic and, therefore, completely unaccountable to the people. it was really good for big banks, big businesses and those who have connections with big government, but it was really bad for the poor and middle class. and the feeling that they had no ability to influence it that they couldn't vote out the people within the eu who were running part of their government from brussels was a big problem for them. >> let me ask you this. was what happened with the uk in the best interests of the united states? >> you know i don't think there's any reason why it has to be against our interests. look we have a long standing

relationship with the united kingdom. they have been great trade partners and great partners militarily and in many other respects. there's no reason why this has to change simply because of the brexit decision. that's one of the reasons why next week i'll be introducing legislation that will maintain the status quo with regard to our trade relations with the united kingdom between now and such time as we could work out a bilateral trade agreement which my legislation would also instruct the administration to start negotiating. >> let me ask you this though. you would prioritize the uk over our relationship with the eu? >> i don't think i've said that. what i've said is there's no reason for us to tell the uk to get at the back of the queue. i'm not quite sure what the president what he meant when he said that. it's not like you would line up at the bakery or dry cleaners waiting for ervssservice. there's no reason to make them

feel like a second class nation because of this decision. there's no reason why we can't have good trade relations with the uk moving forward. >> if we have, though a fractured europe if this leads to a fractured europe is it america's responsibility to try to put this coalition back together or are you more of a, hey, you know what that's up to europe. we'll just deal with whatever we're dealing with. or do you think we need to be more proactive in keeping europe from fracturing? >> i don't think it's our responsibility to decide what happens in europe or how it works. i do think we have an interest in making sure that we have stable trade relations with the united kingdom and with other countries in europe. and i think we can do that notwithstanding the brexit decision. i don't think it's our responsibility to do it but it is our responsibility, of course, to make sure that we continue to have free open trade with the united kingdom. that we can control, that we should control. we already have good trade relations with the rest of the european union. nothing about this is going to change that. >> let me ask a quick political

question, only because you're not just a republican you also happen to be a delegate to the convention. oh, by the way i found out you're on the rules committee of the convention. so as a member of the rules committee, number one, do you believe that delegates should be bound? are you open to the idea of unbinding the delegates at the convention? >> you know, i honestly given a whole lot of thought to it i've been focused on my work in the senate. i'm going to get up to speed on the rules, on the history behind them. i'm not sure how any of that works. on the one hand it has struck me as odd that you would have a system that would potentially undo primary elections. on the other hand some argue why have a convex at all unless the delegates are given a modicum of discretion. >> you got into office because of a convention. >> within our state political system here in utah the republican convention is a place

delegates can go and exercise a degree of discretion. we have a longstanding tradition backing that up. our rules also back that up. that's what we've got to figure out with regard to the national convention. i'm less familiar with the rules of the national convention than i am with the rules in my own state, but that's what i'll be figuring out over the next couple of weeks. >> how do you characterize your support of donald trump? >> look i love the supreme court list he put out a couple of weeks ago. it was probably the most conservative short list that any republican has ever put out for the supreme court ever. i thought that was fantastic. i'm always looking for ways that i can agree with donald trump. i'm still waiting for him to say some things that would really resonate with me in terms of the basic problem that we have with the federal government in that we've drifted so far, as i explain in my book we've drifted so far from the twin

structural protection the more he can talk about those principles, the more he's going to win over conservatives like me who want to get back to a system in which our government at the national level understands its scope and also understands the need to separate powers. >> curious, why do you think utah republicans have been more -- have had an inability -- have been rejecting trump more so than most other states or conservatives? why is that? >> culturally i think his approach isn't exactly familiar to the approach that's often taken here in utah. it's a little bit more edgy to be sure. i think there has been some concern on the part of some that perhaps some of his comments have reflected a certain religious intolerance. as a state that is mostly mormon mostly inhabited by mormons and given that mormons were ordered exterminated by the governor of missouri in 1838 i think we're a little bit more

cautious when there are fears that someone might be religiously intolerant. >> i was just going to say the muslim ban seems to have been more problematic to more mormon office holders really than any other issue. how much of an issue is it for you? >> it's a concern to me. you know it's one of the things that like so many utahns i want to hear more about mr. trump's platform, more about what he would actually do in office. more about what his first 100 days would look like and more about what he would do to protect religious freedom and what he would do to restore federalism and separation of powers. >> senator mike lee, republican from utah appreciate it. we'll be looking for that bill next week that you'll be introducing that will try to restore the relationship between the uk and the united states. thank you, sir. >> thank you. let me quickly bring in the panel. we're going to talk a while but we can do a little taste now. washington post political reporter, chris cillizza and aneeda dunn and republican

strategist brad todd no relation. people always wonder you know. with the weird and all that stuff. you know. >> transparency. >> we're not related. >> how often do we get -- whatever. anita, i want to start with you. the administration does seem and it's a question i started with andrea they seem unsure about how to respond to this right now. >> well you know chuck, it's not just a united kingdom issue, it's not just an eu issue, it's actually an issue that has enormous ratifications for the international community. i think properly so the administration is you know weighing what it means, it talking to people. i think you wouldn't want someone who, shall we say, just rushes out, maybe shoots from the hip a little says the first thing on his mind promotes a golf course i think you would want something a little more measured in terms of dealing with what is really an extraordinary thing that we've witnessed over the last 24

hours, although not unexpected based on very close polling. >> brad it does seem as if you can see the upside here for trump and you can see the downside all wrapped up into one thing here but let's be clear. the president did shoot from the hip. intervening in their election when he wouldn't intervene in other countries like iran and egypt, that was shooting at the hip. >> i want to disagree with that because i think when you look at the enormous ramifications of this decision in terms of the international community, that this was really something for the president to make his opinion known on this was certainly something that i think would be appropriate, particularly given the special relationship that these two countries have. >> but our relationship with the uk predates our relationship with the eu. he should have done what mike lee did today. as soon as britain spoke, he should have said we're going make sure that the free trade agreement is intact with the uk. that would have been acknowledging the special relationship as opposed to pouting because his side didn't

win. >> okay. so can i just respond to this. >> go ahead. >> i feel like a debate moderator. okay. 15 seconds, go. >> you know brad obviously i know that there's some disagreement as well in the republican ranks about how to respond to this. you saw mike lee going way out of his way not to take a position on this but i think the president's role was very clear on this which is as an international leader as the leader of the free world, he had a responsibility to make it clear what he thought was right. now that the peoplef the united kingdom have adjust its policy. >> let me ask you this chris. because i've gotten this question all day. what does this mean for our election? >> oh, yes. >> obviously we don't know yet. but it does -- donald trump is not alone here in his world view, and that is -- that i think, matters. >> it does. look, i've gotten it all day too. and the thing -- people say does this give donald trump a better chance of winning. i don't think the answer to that is yes. i think it opens people's eyes to the actual chance he has of

winning. that doesn't improve his chance of winning necessarily, but look something is happening. you know i think post-primary there's a tendency to just say the rules are the rules. well if the rules are the rules, jeb bush is the nominee. we all know that. now, the question is are the rules not the rules only in the republican primary or in a general election? i think what's happened in blint britain i think suggests the sense that we know what's happening, right? david cameron, he's not going to get behind something that's going to fail. they don't know. >> actually what was interesting about cameron here is you could actually draw parallels, right, between paul ryan or john boehner is david cameron and boris johnson is sort of the trump character here. cameron gave the right the referendum and say i'd be against it as a way to appease. >> he thought it would fail so he gives them what they want and it fails. >> you could argue ryan and

boehner have been trying to figure out how to manage the tea party. >> it is time for everybody in the 202 area code to acknowledge that the elites are getting it wrong a lot. four out of five political parties in britain, the entire corporate elite completely misread the referendum, where the people of the uk were. the same thing happened in our primaries. you would have thought jeb bush would have won and hillary clinton would have had a cake walk. neither thing happened. i think there is a great deal of unrest in the country and whether people in the 202 want to admit it it's true. >> and there was a very interesting point this morning. in many of these cases, the polling data tells you very clearly the gleedegree of unrest there is and the elites don't want to believe it. >> the assassination, that tragic assassination last week they thought it changed everything. >> but remember, what's polling data based on? it's based on elections that have happened in the past. >> polls were right here it was close. people interpreted the polls

incorrectly. >> fair enough. >> that's what happened in this country too with trump. you guys are coming back so i'm going to pause but we're sticking with this topic because the stunning day in global politics rocked your 401(k). we'll take a closer look at how the day ended on wall street. plus is brexit really a done deal? we'll look at what's next and how the world economy is bracing for the breakup. stay tuned.

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european analyst for the eurasis group. and megan murphy washington bureau chief for bloomberg news which may or may not have been hans' previous employer. megan, hans thank you. we talked about what would happen if britain chose to leave and you essentially called it. you said cameron would leave, boris johnson would likely be the favorite. do you still believe boris johnson is likely the next prime minister of the uk? >> i mean i think there is a lot of smart money riding on boris johnson, but the thing we have to acknowledge is he has annoyed a large part of the parliamentary party by virtue of how he ran his campaign. there's a small slither of the torry part of anti-skeptic.

the rest don't love europe but recognize that it is necessary to work and deal with it. i think this portion of the parliamentary party is going to want to now come to an accommodation with europe that ensures the uk maintains a fairly robust degree of single market access. i think as a result there will be some concerns as to whether boris johnson is the right man to lead that negotiation. another may be a little more pragmatic and sensible. >> before i move the conversation back here to washington, is it realistic at all that there could be buyer's remore and that leads to the uk not doing this? >> no. i think now that the public has spoken and it was a fairly large swing towards leave, which again was not at all the intellectual academic or establishment consensus in london in the run-up to the vote it's going to be very very hard not to take this process forward. so i think on the uk side the incoming government and parliament are very constrained.

they actually have to move the process forward. also on the european side, i mean, look we have electioning in france in germany both at the state and national level. there are multiple crises we're dealing with whether it's greek debt, russian resurgence. the last thing leaders want to do is renegotiate a whole set of concessions with the uk government. i think a leave is a leave and they want to take this process forward quickly and they want it to be clean. >> all right. hans megan, let me move it here. hans, you most recently your beat before we hired you was berlin. you spent a lot of time there, going back and forth between berlin and brussels. first of all, is berlin the new london? >> i think frankfurt is the new london in terms of banking. right now it's hard to say because everyone is drinking in berlin. they're drinking in an irish pub. it has the virtue of being true. the foreign office in germany tweeted out we're an irish bar,

tomorrow we'll start the hard work. there's a lot of hard work and frankly they don't know when they can start. it's up to the uk and whoever is the prime minister to make that declaration, trigger article 50 and then you can have this very messy divorce. >> all right. but look the eu -- i could argue, megan, that the uk never fully got into the eu which is what made exiting easier perhaps. but it also was it destined for failure because they never fully integrated? >> i don't think it was destined for failure because they never fully integrated i think it's a gamble for the prime minister that ended spectacularly wrong for him. there are going to be many arguments saying he never had to call this referendum in the first place, that by agreeing to put it in the platform was a mistake. when this first came out as recently as february remain was 65%. it was a hard-fought campaign. he put his chips down on this gamble. he's lost and now he's out. we go into this period of pretty

severe fusion and contagion. >> i had the virtue of saying i've been to davos and no one in january was at all aware of this being a very real possibility. >> but that's the problem. no one in davos and eventually no one in aspen and no one in veil. vail. >> and there's no one who thinks donald trump has a credible chance of being president and that's the mirror image. >> i want to pick up on something megan brought up. david cameron, is this his legacy he's the prime minister that lost europe is he the prime minister that lost the eu and broke up the uk because scotland and northern ireland get ready to have passports in order to go back and forth from northern ireland to ireland? >> absolutely. i think on the scotland question, we don't believe -- i mean today there was a very

crafted intervention. what she's looking to do is use the leverage of another referendum to advantage scotland's interest making sure that the incoming right-wing government does not fully pull the uk out of the eu in terms of access to the single market. so i don't think especially given where the oil price is sturgeon is likely to table another referendum but the threat to do so will allow her to advance some of scotland's interests. i think this is absolutely cameron's legacy to your first question. he needed to manage the right of his party more effectively, tabling a referendum was clearly not the strategy to do it. he gave a finger that he thought would shut the debate down. they have taken a hand and now they have taken his arm. i think this is absolutely going to be the defining legacy. but the spillover is not just contained to the conservative party, it's also going to affect labor as well. it's very unlikely jeremy corbin

will survive this either. so this is across the board, a big political impact across the establishment tonight. >> every description of cameron on this feels like john boehner. i'm sorry, i feel like i'm having -- i want to talk about the rest of europe here. how does brussels referring to the eu manage the fact that france, the netherlands, there's a bunch of other countries. hey, maybe we want out too. >> they have a threshold question they need to answer. do they want to punish and make an example of britain and warn the other children don't even think about leaving or do you want to make this as easy as possible. i don't have an answer to that question. how theoretically possible is it to have a redo. is it theoretically possible but practically unlikely. you can't underestimate the creativity of brussels bureaucrats. i've had so many late nights in brussels thinking greece is out, this deal is over they'll never have a deal.

in the 11th hour they always seem to rescue something. so i think there's a prospect not a full-on rejoin but they could make it easy if they decide to. >> i agree, but the greece example is a good one. they constantly did pull something out on the 11th hour to take it forward. the problem with this is this process has been so ugly and some of the rhetoric that's been out there from the leave camp. i think that already you see noises and conflicting opinions with britain saying hey, let's take it slow let's go slow. very senior brussels bureaucrats saying we want you out as soon as possible. >> you three have convinced me this divorce isn't going to be short. this is going to take a very long time and maybe they never fully divorce. any way, thank you all. wow, what a day. also coming up a first look at my interview with a guy a lot of people believe is the leading candidate to be hillary clinton's running mate. we'll be right back. everything you're pretty good at now you were once, well pretty bad at.

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my interview with senator tim cane. if you thought his answer was interesting and whether his ready to be president was a direct response to another question. it may have been. here is what my colleague rachel maddow asked during a recent interview. >> do you believe you would be capable of stepping into that job and doing that job if you were called into doing it? >> yes, i did. >> panel is back. anita, tim kaine is not somebody to take shots at people. you tell me, what you made of his answer there and the specific way he answered that question. >> tim kaine is someone who, in 2008, was heavily vetted. one of the finalists for barack obama in terms of vp choice and overall terrific face value.

>> you don't take things at face value. >> thanks for setting that up for me. >> somebody has to say it. >> you may have your own conflicts. >> what this plays into right is the not always here with the democratic party administration about elizabeth warren. she thinks she's the smartest person. that's why the clinton-warren camps are not warm. i love people say she's going to ohio with her. she endorsed hillary clinton after the primaries were already all over as a democratic female senator. this is a chemistry issue. hillary clinton has said and her advisors have said get along, chemistry matters. biden-obama. everybody said how is this going to work. because they liked one another. >> also in the interview, senator kaine emphasize he

endorsed her in october '14. >> as he endorsed obama very early as well. we simply aren't this lucky to get elizabeth warren on the ticket as republicans. we would be thrilled because our fund raising problems would be over. any attempt of moving that ticket to the middle would be over. i think she's exactly what we need. >> i've heard this. let me ask about warren because i've heard other democrats say if she picks warren it looks weak because it means you're acknowledging you have a base problem. what would you say to that? >> i would start by saying elizabeth warren has a different set of issues when she gets asked that question. if a woman says i don't know if i'm qualified, that is actually really different thing than a tim kaine. >> a woman colleague said this exact same thing about kaine.

>> different genders will read the answer different. >> here's the deal about elizabeth. when she was running for the senate, i think a lot of people in the democratic party thought she couldn't win. a lot of political reporters said she couldn't win. she's one of the most extraordinarily talented campaigners and her ability to connect with people and she can connect with people all across this country. she and tim kaine good possibilities. both would bring different things to the ticket. i have to say in terms of elizabeth warren that her campaign skills are actually some of the best of anybody in the party. >> i think if she has an issue it's interesting, we talk about relationships with the media and the assumption is republican candidates had this bad relationship with the press. candidates, there are some candidates who enjoy the press and some who don't. she can't stand the press. she makes it utterly clear. >> i think most candidates, at this point, are weary of the

media but some are better at -- >> managing. >> right. camouflaging that they don't love you. i think she is i don't know hostile. she's never necessarily needed the media all that much because she was a big figure within the party. she is one of the people who doesn't need a higher profile. her profile is quite high. she needs a lower profile. >> tim kaine, is that an asset? >> i think he doesn't change the ticket much. i'm be concerned about maria ca cantwell. >> interesting. i'm way over. thank you all. we'll be back right after this.

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