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that's it for us tonight. we're brexiting. "with all due respect" doesn't brexit. they're starting right now. this is an example of the market getting it wrong. >> markets have been very, very wrong. . >> the posters have got it wrong again. >> the betting company called this race wrong. >> the polls getting it very wrong. >> they keep getting it wrong.
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>> polls are wrong. the betting figures were wrong. >> that turned out to be completely wrong. the pollsters got it wrong. >> every prediction has been wrong. >> they were wrong. >> they were wrong. >> over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. and over and over and over and over and over again. >> in the words of britney spears, oops, we did it again. brexit lesson number one, never trust your bookies. they all said it would never happen. the word was shocked this morning by the news the brits voted to depart from the european union. we're going to cover the story
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from all angles from the eu to what it might foreshadow at the presidential race. john, yougov had remain up. you, yourself, earlier this week thought in all likelihood, you will remain. what did we miss? >> the answer is we missed a lot. it's interesting, i was able to give you credit. yesterday i came on the program. you kept on pushing what happens if we leave. we wanted that side. we said it's probably not going to happen. my stance is you should be surprised if britain goes but not shocked. it's always going to be close.
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it's vast amount of people. it's a bit like a trump presidency. you should be surprised if it happens but you shouldn't be completely shocked. >> one of the things it shows, polling is missed up in a will the of ways and especially messed up in capturing the degree of resentment that a certain part of society and all western democracies have right now. how upset they are at elites and the prevailing order. >> they were incredibly upset. young, uneducated people voted to remain. by any reasonable scale were
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bad. they failed utterly as leaders. corbin acted like he didn't care what the outcome was. >> his whole attitude is the european union is ghastly. it's terrible. i suppose you should stay. it's never going to work. >> it's not a strong rallying cry. cameron ran out of luck. he won the last election, twon previous election. he'd done all these things and it went wrong. the interesting thing is this, one of the interesting things from the american perspective, they were told just how dangerous it would be. they were told, sterling will dive.
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we're going to have a recession. they said that's it. i don't want anymore of this. the danger for hillary is that people might just say -- >> we'll get to that in a minute. >> not long after the final votes were tallied, uk prime minister, david cameron who led the campaign to stay in the eu stepped out made the announcement he would resign by october saying his country should be led by more commitment with this new go it alone strategy. >> the british people have made a clear decision to take a different path. as such, i think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction. i will do everything i can as prime minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and month, but i do not think it will be right for me to be the captain that steers our country
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to its next destination. this is not a decision i've taken lightly. i do believe it's in the national interest to have a period of stability and then the new leadership required. >> the reverberations have been felt as well in the united states as president obama addressed the brexit results today. >> it speaks to the ongoing changes and challenges that are raised by globalization. while the uk's relationship with the eu will change, one thing that will not change is the special relationship that exists between our two nations. that will endure. the eu will remain one of our indispensable partners. >> negotiations over britain's withdrawal will now commence and in a hurry if the jilted continentals have their way. eu officials in brussels are trying to calm other nemprvous
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nations. john, we could talk about the politics of what happens in britain, which is now maybe totally relevant country. my bigger question is, is this the beginning of the unraveling of the eu? >> possibly. we're already seeing where france and germany are beginning to argue about what to do. she also says maybe we need to reform the eu. she's taking one lesson away from this. fundamentally, the british look to the eu and thought it's really not that good. that is part of it. she wants to push through reforms. i saw european leader who said it's impossible to convince france to do anything that isn't good for the party. that's a very short agenda. >> if france, if france were to withdraw from eu, if the
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netherlands were to withdraw, what would be left. there could still be an eu. >> you got the spanish, the spanish elections. in the end you come back to this thing. germany would like still to have a strong economic union and it could do that around the north if it wanted. then at some point it faces this huge problem about what to do about france because germany can't have peace in its mind without france. >> then there's the british question. boris johnson, someone who will be one of the maining leading contenders. the woman's name i'm going to forget. she seems like she will be a strong contender. it seems that corbin has to go too. >> corbin was a spectacular underperformer in this. what happened in this election was as northern towns, the northern heart lands -- >> formerly labor heart land.
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>> they voted to leave. nobody was told in you vote for this, your jobs may go. >> i'm looking forward to talking about the economic questions a little later in the show. let's finish up here. donald j. trump bringing this a little closer to home. just so happened to be in the united kingdom today. wasn't a political trip by any means. he was checking on his golf course in scotland. at a press conference this morning after trump spent time describing the greatest par 3 anywhere in the world, end quote. he reacted to the brexit news comparing its backers to some supporters in america and shrugging off concerns about what the move would mean for the world's currency market. >> i see parallel between what's happening in united states an what's happening here. people want to see borders. they don't necessarily want people pouring into their country that they don't know who they are and where they come
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from. they have no idea. i love to see people take their country back. that's really what's happening in the united states and i think you see that. that's what's happening in many other places in the world. they're tired of it. if the pound goes down, they'll do more business. if the pound goes down, more people are coming. let's see what the impact of that has. >> hillary clinton who urged the british to remain in the eu put out a statement calling this a time for call. trump was flippant about turmoil and quote, a wreckless and erratic ego maniac who could drive us off a cliff. >> i think this is a very, very
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ominous sign for the democrats in the united states. >> it's a cautionary tale for the clinton campaign. >> it means that fear works. if this worked in england, it might work for donald trump in this country. >> what's different about today is the flow threw between that britain first impulse. >> he showed up in scotland with a make america great again. those who wanted the leave the european slogan, their country was take back our country. there are clear parallels there. >> hondo p. >> john you're a british person, but you've spent a lot of time in this country. my question for you is what do you think should americans, what are the lessons that americans were looking at the presidential race. what lessons could they draw. the second one is actually, the britains sat there. you wake up and discover you've
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done this thing which only donald trump and vladmir putin have proof of. same exact lip as the people were saying, the same kind of i don't want to stress out, i'm not going to take these warnings. i want to send a message to politicians that i'm angry with. i want a way to do it. that is some ways the most worrying thing about it. >> the parallels are striking in a lot of ways. make america great could have been the slogan of take our country back. stronger together. hillary clinton slogan was the remain slogan. it seems hillary clinton has a couple of things to think about. working class not, non-college educated. those are the people that were f for leaving. hillary clinton has two issues to deal with. there could be serious economic repercussions here. a bad economy is good for donald
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trump. he's have to dweel that eal wit fact on the ground. the remain forces played the fear card. fear of the unknown. you don't want to take this leap in the dark. voters said, yeah, we do. we want to take this leap. hillary clinton has opinion playing the fear card so far. she's going to have to do more than that. also paint some kind of a positive vision of where she wants to paint the country because that's what the remain people did not do in britain. >> cameron failed on that thing. he never got that inspirational vision. it's done amazingly well in the past 40 years. this is a cosmopolitan. one of the reasons the british economy has done so well is it's attracted people from everywhere. that's the same kind of argument hillary might make. >> what all of this eu uncertainty is doing to the
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only in minnesota in the immediate wake of the uk's boat to leave, stocks plunged. joining us now for an interview. i told you there were to things i want to know. how bad is it? >> it was worse because of how good it was yesterday. people left high hopes at when the first polls started to come in, it was a bit of an oh, dear trade. when the major areas started reporting and on to the major big cities, it became a trade. v traders were up for 30 hours
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straight. >> there's some comparisons. for the pound it was the worst day since 1985. we were at $1.36 not that long ago. it's not like this is an event for the ages. you saw stocks drop 8% for france. banks are the barometer of this whole affair. >> put me in the mind of someone in the financial markets as we head into monday. >> i'll put you in the mind of a few. >> people will still be absorbing what happened last night. what happen on monday. how do the markets begin and what is the mind set, what's the psychology of the markets.
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>> people begin to look for opportunities. he's been in this market for decades. he's dispinted but people didn't know how strongly people left. it was a disappointment but no worse than 2010 when it was a china. he called it a storming geefts. >> don't you think it's going to keep going down? once you look at the problem without people wanting to invest there. >> absolutely. this is the short term. it's all about trade deals and how fast they can get done which is probably not fast at all.
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it's an amazing day. this was one of the big votes in the history of europe and scotland and everywhere. we have taken the lighthouse, which is a very, very important building in florida -- i mean in scotland. we have main certain changes to the course. in addition to that we fully renovated the course. brand new sprinkler system. the highest level. >> that was donald trump, billionaire, at his golf course press conference in scotland. joining us now from some straight talk, nbc correspondent and maybe aspiring golf reporter. for a lot of people who watch that press conference this morning, it seemed a little surreal in the way trump went about it not addressing the brexit vote until asked as
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opposed to start with some kind of statesman like filigree. >> first off, i'm on hour 14. i hope you'll excuse my espresso. it was certainly surreal this morning. trump flying into scotland, landing in political chaos. talking about a briefly to reporters. it was almost as if nothing in the world was wrong. talking about his resort and that's the reason why all of these reporters are here talking about the sprinkler system that he renovated, talking about how they move some of the holes on the golf course. then when he opened it up to reporters, then he was asked about brexit. that's when he started actually acknowledging there was a global potential crisis going on. donald trump even saying that
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the pound, if it gets devalued, that would be good, for him, because more tourists could come overseas to this golf course. he praised, the voters for taking back their country. it's the same central message that he's been hitting on the campaign trail, immigration, trade and a sense of nationalism. the campaign is seeing this vote here in the uk as a potential sign they are tapping into this anti-globalization wave that they can capitalize on in the states. >> the clinton campaign immediately trashed trump, attacked him for the comments he made about benefitting and said this is typical donald trump. all he cares about is himself, his own bottom line. this is another example of why he's not suited to be president of the yiet.
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>> whether he agrees with accusations this is one big brand tour rather than campaign for a public service or if it's both. the d.c. hotel, jupiter, doral and tomorrow we're going to be in aberdeen. it does start to feel that way. we're seeing the best of his lavish life. he turns it on his head and says this is what i'm going to do for the country. this is how the country will end up living if i'm in charge. they wish they were able to afford to fix up.
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they see donald trump at this marvelous state in scotland. marvelous golf course. it's very aspirational. that's to a certain segment of the population. >> tell me about the response of the scotts and the british. it must have been completely bizarre. he seemed to appear like some creature from out of space with the white hat. >> what was interesting and we were remarking maybe he could call on the american reporters more, the ones he doesn't call on so much, me included because the british reporters are bound to be much more brutal. the british press is no holds barred. he only called on a few of them. they were certainly biting questions. there were snickers among the scottish and british reporters when a reporter asked him to
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point out the council members that showed up. some major players in local politics out here were not here for donald trump's speech. he's not a popular figure here or in the uk. the reality is his message, his ant anti-globalization message is playing here. >> all right. popular everywhere, katie, thank you for being on the show. coming up, our exciting interview. we'll be right back with that. (war drums beating)
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joining us now from washington is bloomberg view colu columnist, clive crook. i've been trying to sprain what little i know about economics, what little i know about the european union and the economic case for the european union, i learned from you 25 years ago.
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explain to me how bad this is. in terms of the level of catastrophe, how worried should we be? >> pretty worried. it really is a catastrophe. the thing to emphasis is there's a wide range of possible outcomes here. the turmoil we're seeing today in the markets is due to the fact this thing came as such a shock. none of this was prized in. i think it's odd it came as such a shock. once that subsided and people have got their minds around this process that's now beginning, there are lots of things to worry about. there are lots of ways it can go wrong. if this contagion spreads to the rest of the european union and it begins to look as if other countries may entertain the possibility of exit, then i think europe is in big trouble. britain is certainly in big trouble already because it needs
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a lot of inward investment to finance its current account deficit. that's now in jeopardy because of uncertainty about the future trading regime with the eu. you have britain in trouble. there's a risk in europe. it could spread. financial distress has a terrible habit of spreading. i think potentially, there's a big risk here. we should be worried. there are things that can be done to mitigate the risk. bad things could happen. >> clive, which of the countries are you host worried about in terms of europe at the moment? >> we got an election in spain this weekend. that's a first worry. how is this shock going to factor into spain's election. it's further really what people in europe will be most worried
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about is the italian politics. then you have france. according to recent polling, believe it or not, the eu is less popular in france than in britain. there's a lot that can go wrong. >> you've made an attempt to form, you have a uk leadership election. the two major british party who is will have to in a state of great political flux, have to put the economy of britain back together. all kinds of trade treaties. all kinds of deals and agreements. all of that will be thrown up for grabs. just to describe the scale of the challenge, whoever it is
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whether it's boris johnson or someone else who ends up running the party, how big is the economic challenge in terms of getting britain to be a non-eu member and be prosperous. >> it's huge. >> britain has been in the system for nearly 45 years. it's woven all three the british legal system, the british economy. that's been part of the compliants from the leave people. britain is too entangled with europe. it is immensely bound up with the european system. all that has to be unravelled. the moment that work is out sourced oth eu. where are these people going to
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be found. the greater the risk that the uncertainty will agitate the markets and some sort of unseen problem. then, as you say, you know we've got political turmoil in britain as well. people move freely back and forth across the border. that might change. all these thing vs to be done simultaneously. they have to be done while the country is in this state of
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semiparalysis. you couldn't ask for a more dangerous situation. >> imagine britain comes forward with a set of trade proposals. >> that's a very interesting question. i hasn't given that much thought. >> you may have to. >> i can see that happening. the risks and everything they're discussing here are immense, i wouldn't want to state for a minute. there are some opportunities here. that is one. that is something that the brexit people will be keen to pursue. it will be very interesting to see whether the administration sticks with its lie that britain has to go to back of the line in this process. if the u.s. sees an interest in helping to stabilize this
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situation, it may feel that it's in u.s. interest to bring that kind of negotiation forward. there's good relationship between britain and the u.s. i can imagine that getting some support in congress. we'll have to see. >> clive crook, another person that's come on the show and has been a delight to have on the show and said things that really scare me. thank you very much for that. next up, we'll have a brexplainer. i work 'round the clock. i want my blood sugar to stay in control.
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our next guest is a journalist and columnist for the guardian. good to see you here. we just talked with clive crook about the economic implicationm. who is likely the next prime minister? >> i think it's boris johnson. he took a big gamble by heading up the vote leave effort. i think a lot of people were surprised. he decided it was a great opportunity. it paid off and he won. the conservative party will
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choose the next prime minister. it will be their leader who sits in that job. they are always euro skeptic. hostile to the european union. they will land that job to the person who has the most anti-europe credentials. now there's nobody who can compete with boris johnson from that. barring a slip up, it's him. >> who will be his greatest challenger. he's have challengers. people are talking about a stop boris candidate. there has to be somebody. if it comes from the remain camp it may be teresa may. she was on the remain side but was very, took a very book room
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role. deliberately kept herself out of the the public view because she knew this contest would be coming so she made as few enemy as possible among the leave camp, who are the dominate and vocal group. if they can stomach somebody from remain, it could be her. if it's somebody from the other side, there was a woman who appeared along boris johnson. she was able to connect a little bit. i think he'll be the people's choice. >> what about the labor party? what happens there? is jeremy corbin now under
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serious threat? >> he's under pretty serious pressure, i would say. a lot of people were prepared to tolerate his kind of low energy style of his because it did seem with some people to have some appeal in a kind of bernie sanders way. that low energy style so clearly failed. it was labor areas that voted to leave. he had one job, which was to get the labor vote out for remain and he didn't do it. that's partly because he, himself, was so halfhearted in his support for remain. everyone knew he was from the wing of the labor party that had always been pretty hostile to the european project. he did a very bad job of hiding that. he was a very lukewarm advocate for remain. that's now paid, that's now cost because it means remain is lost.
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there are people hostile to him who are wanting to use as an opportunity to say it's your fault, get out of the way. his popularity was with the young and on the left. they are attached strongly to the european project. they resent the fact their previous hero let them doin in terms of europe. it may be his own base that turns on corbin. >> sitting across the pond in britain with some experience covering american politics, what do you see on that front? >> that's the kind of people who both donald trump and the brexit calls appeal to.
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it is those people. it's people fearful of immigration. it's the people who have lost out through globalization. it's the people in those towns, not the beg cities but those towns where there was one big employer. often a factory that's shattered. it's moved elsewhere or feel they have been priced out of their jobs through migrants. what i would say about the united states, that same beside of people, the white male, disaffected, middle age, they exist in the united states. they are voting for trump. i wonder if they can cross 50%. do they have the numbers to do that? do they have the allies to do
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that to build the coalition? i would suspect they don't. this terms of the kind of people they are, there's a definite read across from the trump people to the people in those labor heart lands who made brexit win the day here. >> tell me, quickly, about london. you wrote this very good article, dwroup think london is divorced from the rest of the country. >> people have been feeling that way for a while. it's a way that new york is not like america. the rest of england voted 60-40 to leave.
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people suggesting london should follow scotland's lead. the sense that london is comfortable with immigration, comfortable with diversity and brutally comfortable with globalization because it's done so well out of it, that sets it apart from the rest of the country. >> all right. brilliant as always and a little less scary than some of the people we talked to today. up next, we'll go backstage at the daily show right after this quick break. machine lcerative colitis, the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven't worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections
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. this week my customary co-host and i went on the daily show. in the green room, trevor spent a few minutes with us to turn the tables on him. he had funny and interesting observations. [ applause ] >> you'll be the first convention? >> it will be. >> you got to lock and load. >> could be my last convention. >> you know what that say, comedy is not pretty. we proved it once again. >> sorry. >> i've never sat on this couch.
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>> what have you learned that you didn't though before? >> i spent my first two weeks apologizing to everyone who ran into me. you're not supposed to do that. that's seen as being disrespectful, insulting to people. if i bump you and you bump me, it's a way we get to connect as human beings. >> when you started doing this show, you were not like a political comedian. this was not your -- >> i wasn't an american political comedian. >> the american scene was not the subject matter of a lot of your comedy. from the time you started doing this to now, what have you learned watching this presidential election unfold in. >> it's ridiculous. it's a broken system. america just like most pioneers had the best system and the first real system. the first major constitution that was out there, but nothing has been evolved. nothing has been change. now you're running old software.
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people are wondering why it's all falling apart. the way the states are run, the way the electoral college is run. i do not understand the system where the numbers do not count. the votes do not count. it's given to the person. donald trump was a great example of that for me. i struggled to understand how a person who won 40% of the vote then gets all the vote for his party. that's a strange -- >> it's like winner take all primaries. >> america love it winner take all. you do it in sports. i get it. in africa, like with soccer it's a tie. you go like make you both get. here you go winner take all. i take yours even though i don't deserve them. now you get republicans going i never voted for trump but trump is my choice. >> we need america 2.0 in. >> you do. you need to upgrade america. bernie sanders could have run as an independent. you have multiple candidates in this race, do you not. you have bernie sanders, hillary
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clinton. you have donald trump and you had rubio/cruz. let's say cruz. you had four differing views of how to do a thing. some were closely aligned and others weren't so much. there's enough support, if it was a parliamentary system, it could have been enough support to have all them governing the country. america goes it's sides. you go one side -- people are forced to join a side that best aligns with them but may not fully represent them, which is a strange way to run a system. >> you're saying we need a parliamentary system to begin with? >> it would be nice. makes a lot of sense. >> i never thought there could be a day when i was sitting in a room with a black south african telling me the south african system is better than the american political system. >> they got democracy perfected. >> seriously, man. >> that's how far we have come. >> people in south africa have
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general views of trump and clinton? >> trump definitely. >> what? >> it is crazy. it's racism. it's blatant as well. the whole world looks at america and goes how is that a representative of half of your country. >> what do they think of the general view of hillary clinton? >> not, necessarily, no. she's been so overshadowed in terms of the world. it's hillary clinton. the world is not involved in the day-to-day running of your politics, clinton and her secretary of state, that's not been a part of the world story. we get the highlights. barack obama was the highlight. bush going into iraq was the highlight. those are things is what the world sees now. >> lindsey graham was the best.
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>> i don't understand this. you don't like ted cruz. >> i don't dislike ted. ted and i have a lot of differences. i'm getting better at this. >> really fun guy. really funny. i know i have differing views with your audience but let's do this thing. >> what would your slogan be? >> it would be half black, half white. let's do it again. >> thank you, man. >> our thanks to trevor and the whole daily show crew. we'll be right back. in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day men's gummies. complete with key nutrients plus b vitamins to help convert food into fuel. one a day. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo.
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