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over. bernie sanders says he'll vote for hillary clinton but his campaign refuses to concede. so what does it all mean? and we begin with a deadly and historic flooding that's killed at least 23 people in west virginia. officials fear that number could rise as rescue crews search for people stranded in homes and in cars. nbc's morgan radford is east of charleston where the water has been rising. morgan, what's the situation this morning? any more word of rescues and evacuations? >> absolutely, frances. authorities have been able to set up an emergency evacuation route for hundreds of people trapped inside the shopping mall behind me. they were able to get some people out yesterday. but as soon as darkness fell it became unsafe which is why the evacuations are still getting under way today. this as the death toll continues to rise. 23 fatalities this morning. the most devastating flooding in its history. ten inches of rain pounding west

virginia in just 24 hours. up to 500 people freed overnight. national guard troops built a temporary escape rescuing shoppers trapped over 24 hours. inside this mall after a bridge collapsed near charleston. >> i was panicking because i knew there was no way i could get to my daughter. >> we're a whole lot luckier than a lot of people. >> reporter: flood currents so swift they proved deadly. fatalities climbing as hours passed. an 8-year-old boy and 4-year-old toddler among the dead. >> it's been a long 24 hours. the next 24 hours may not be much easier. >> reporter: across the state houses floating by on fire. >> dad, watch out. >> reporter: cars completely swept away with people still trapped inside. >> i watched my car kind of flip into the abyss. >> reporter: others without electricity. >> nobody has anything. >> you're saying there is nowhere to go. >> uh-uh, no, there's nowhere to

go. >> reporter: neighbors scrambling to recover what little they have left. >> you don't know where your house is? >> i've been finding parts of it as i've been searching down the road. i've lived around here my entire life. i've never seen anything to this level. >> reporter: pain shared by both residents and rescuers. >> being a small town, might not know everybody's name but you still are familiar with faces and it hurts. >> reporter: 44 counties remain under a state of emergency this morning. more than 19,000 homes still don't have any power. this has been the deadliest flash flood in the u.s. in the past 18 years. thankfully there are no flash flood warnings today which is welcome news to those crews still trying to get those people who are trapped inside out to safety. back to you. >> they can certainly use that news. thank you, morgan. more than a million people in britain are having second thoughts about the decision to leave the european union. 1.3 million people today are

calling for a second referendum. yesterday's decision sent shockwaves through financial markets and in the united states all the major indices were down by 4%. supporters of brexit, the so-called leave campaigners, held the result as victory for british democracy. matt, what more are we hearing about the numbers on that petition now, hearing graremorse. >> you know, this is important and it's very interesting there are so many people who feel this way but it's really not all that surprising at all. let's remember we're talking about a result spread. there was only about 4%. so there's millions and millions of people who already voted to remain. now, also another thing about this referendum -- about this petition, we have to remember is that this is just asking for this -- for a new referendum to be discussed in parliament. this will compel members of parliament to table this issue and talk about it. now, that could be for as little

as five minutes. they already did that when they decided they wanted to have a discussion about whether or not to bar donald trump from entering the country and they had a lively discussion and decided in the end they wouldn't do that. so it's not all that surprising. it probably won't necessarily go anywhere. but it is revealing. it's just another metric of just how wrenching and emotional this whole process has been for so many people here. i mean, there is this buyer's remorse element, even for those who did vote to leave. one of the reasons why is because this isn't just a typical political decision. this is something where it's not like a normal election where a candidate is voted in, there's another lame duck candidate and someone gradually moves in to office and puts in their own policies and puts their own stamp on governance. this is totally different. immediately in the hours even before the vote was ended markets started to surge, the pound dropped to a 31-year low, and people started asking questions, what's going to happen to my mortgage, what's going to happen to the value of my home? and these were all pressing personal issues. not to mention the identity

issues that underline this whole thing. this was really for a lot of people, especially those in the remain camp, this was like watching a close friend or family member making a very destructive personal decision and you trying to tell them not to do it. i mean, this is that kind of decision. it's that kind of moment for so many people here. >> matt, does it seem like the sentiment is overall that people just didn't realize the consequences that the global markets would plunge, that david cameron would step down and leading up to the kind of now what? what happens next? >> yes. and that was one of the big headlines i was showing earlier, what the hell do we do now? that's the question on everybody's lips. i think one of the underlying causes here, one of the things that people forget when they look at who is voting in this referendum and the reasons why was that a lot of this was a rejection of the elite political class. the people who a lot of people who voted to leave the european union they were saying, we're tired of being talked down to by experts, we're tired of being talked down to as they call it here the top people who went to the top universities and school,

cambridge and oxford, telling them they know better than they do. they didn't want to hear this anymore. and maybe those people, the elites, the people who knew the economic influence this would have, they might have been right and they can point to the stock indices and they can point to the depreciation of the pound as evidence that maybe they had some -- the best interests of the people in mind. at the end of the day this was a rebellion. this was an emotional decision to try to upend the old political order and to the extent that people voted to leave, that's kind of what they wanted. they wanted to upset the apple cart. >> all right, matt bradley for us in westminster. thank you so much for the update from there. thank you. now to politics and take a look at this new video from just moments ago, protesters from aberdeen, scotland, waving mexican flags outside donald trump's golf course. something we've seen a number of demonstrators since trump's arrival there in scotland. trump hailed britain's decision to leave the european union, dubbing the move a declaration

of independence. nbc's katy tur is following donald trump in scotland where he is expected to make an appearance within the hour. what more can we expect from donald trump today? >> his other scottish golf course taking the day to take reporters on a tour and get in a few holes on the links. at the very least, tour the links. this as uk and the world is still reeling from that surprise decision for this country to leave the eu, sending stock markets both abroad and at home in america plunging, making folks worried about their 401(k)s and their retirement savings. donald trump meanwhile saying that it's not necessarily a bad thing if the pound goes down because then more folks would visit his golf course in turnberry. that's what he said yesterday to reporters. today we're going to try and get some more questions to find out exactly how he feels about this economic crisis that could be unfolding around him and what sort of plans he would put into place if he were president.

we're going to have to wait and see about that. trump says if the eu disbands it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. mentioning his friends in germany who don't like the refugees that are coming into this country. also finding something of a victory in this vote here in the uk. donald trump hits trade, hits immigration, he hits a sense of naturalism over and over again on the campaign trail. and that is exactly what levers here in the uk used to campaign to get h country to leave the eu. as for donald trump being in scotla scotland, it's ironic to praise brexit here because this is one of the few places, including london, that voted overwhelmingly to stay in the eu. >> that was katy tur reporting from scotland following the donald trump campaign. other political headlines. pro hillary clinton super pac is adding pennsylvania to its list of battleground states where the new tv ad buy. it is worth $10.5 million. priorities usa announced the ad buy after the financial markets

closed yesterday. the ads will begin airing on july 5th. it makes pennsylvania the ninth state where the super pac is spending millions of dollars to defeat donald trump. meanwhile, the republican effort to deny trump the nomination has escalated. there is a class action lawsuit filed by a delegate from in virginia. at the same time, an ad comparing ronald reagan's speeches to trump's is set across the cable networks tomorrow. here's a listen. >> the use of force is always and only a last resort. >> i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. >> vice president joe biden is now calling out donald trump by name for his rhetoric and here's what he told reporters in dublin, ireland, following the brexit decision. >> i've traveled over a million, 200,000 miles now on behalf of the president, meeting with hee heads of state and speaking all over the world. they're worried is this the new face of america? it is not.

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i never dreamed that one day after coming to congress i would have to sit-in on the floor of the house, sit down at the well of the house. we've been waiting. waiting for a long time for the leadership to bring a piece of legislation, maybe more than one

piece, to deal with gun violence. >> that was sit-in leader and civil rights icon congressman john lewis. members of congress took a dramatic step this week to bring attention to the lack of action on gun control legislation. democrats in the house staged a 26-hour sit-in on the chamber floor wednesday and thursday. the protest was broadcast over social media after c-span cameras were shut down. i want to bring in illinois democrat congressman bobby rush. congressman, appreciate you being with us here after this. it want you to talk a little bit about your sentiment and knowing this is something pretty much unprecedented what people have not seen, only done three times since the '70s. what is your thoughts in seeing this happen and deciding, yes, i am going to join in the sit-in? >> well, francis, it's certainly good to be with you this morning. it was exhilarating sense of find that i experienced when we joined john lewis on the floor.

we had to demonstrate to the american people, reveal to them the inner workings of the republican leadership and the house. trying to alert them that in spite of the series of mass killings that we have experienced as a nation over the years, the republican leadership had turned a deaf ear to the cries of at least 92% of the american people who want sensible gun control legislation. so as i approached the floor i welled up with tears because this is an issue that has been with me for many, many, many years. as you know in 1999 my own son huey was shot down on the

streets of chicago. he was 29 years old at the time. and i -- at the hospital i will never forget the primal scream that came down from the deep down from the center spot of his mother. how deep down in the gut she came up with this primal scream when the doctor said that he had died. >> this is something that -- >> so -- >> go ahead, sir. >> so this primal scream has been repeated more and it's almost like it's a chorus all across america. and my sit-in alone on father's day weekend. we had 60 shootings, 16 people killed in one weekend. so, you know, in front of my colleagues, to take to the floor, we had no other place to

go. it was the only place where our voices collectively could be heard. and that was on the floor of the house of representatives in the well and i'm so proud of them for having the courage to do that and feel so strongly about this issue that they would take to the house of representatives. >> congressman, i have to ask you about that because you say you're saithing that on the well, afterwards on the steps for the press conference and some remarks. you're saying voices were heard but how loudly considering we didn't see any vote come out of this. failed to get the republicans to vote on the two that were there. how loudly were those voices heard and what difference did the sit-in make? >> well, it made a lot of difference. first of all, it told the 92% of american people that we are hearing them, that we are with them, that their issues are our issues. so i think that it was a great

beginning. it wasn't going -- nothing is going to happen instantly in this, but as we keep the pressure up, this is all proactive. it's not going to be -- the u.s. congress in normal circumstances work at a sfnail's pace. with this, it's slower than a snail's pace. but i am confident that we will one day, and not very far in the distance, we will not allow folks who can't buy -- who can't fly on american planes to buy guns in america. >> congressman, with the gop leadership adjourning in the house without taking up any gun legislation measures here, what do you see happening on july 5th? when everybody convenes. >> on july 5th i expect for -- let's just say between now and july 5th there will be local visiting wide, across the

country, cries of outcry and cries of protests, there will be actions, gun violent actions all across this nation. leading up to july 25th. july 25th i expect the pressure to continue. we will not stop. we will not stop until meaningful gun control legislation is enacted in the house and also in the senate. >> congressman, i have to ask you about the concern, especially from house speaker paul ryan who talks about about it and the precedent this may set. he questions democrats' motives. let's listen to that. >> this is nothing more than a publicity stunt. that's point number one. point number two, is this bill was already defeated in the united states senate. number three, we are not doing to take away a citizen's due process rights. we're not going to take away a citizen's constitutional rights without due process. that was already defeated in the senate. and this is not a way to try and bring up legislation.

>> congressman, what's your response to that? >> is he saying that deterrence should have due process? i really don't understand what he means. you know, those who are hell-bent on using assault weapons in our nation to kill multiple people, innocent citizens, that all of a sudden they need to have due process? as they aim their weapons at innocent people, young people, children, they aim their weapons at people who are in movie theater, they aim their weapons at people who are demonstrating, enjoying themselves in clubs in america, that we should stop and give this killer due process? i don't think -- i don't understand what he means by that. and for the speaker of the

house, why -- i know him personally. i admire him. i think he's a reasonable man in some instances. i think that what he's doing right now isn't nothing but political -- i really don't understand it and i really resent the fact that my son and other sons and daughters and children and parents, other people, the sill seven citizen nation, the only place we can go and he would reduce that to a political stunt. you know, this was a political statement and not a political stunt. >> all right. >> this was a legislative statement and not some kind of stunt. he needs to apologize to the american people for demeaning their pain with the words political stunt. >> congressman bobby rush, we thank you so much for being with us on this saturday. thank you so much for sharing

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morning. yes, senator sanders has been very clear throughout this entire process he wants to do everything he can to keep donald trump out of the white house come november. and that would include voting for secretary clinton. but he has not endorsed her yet because, as you said, he has not heard secretary clinton say the things he believes needs to be said. the senator has not been shy about the list of things that he would like to see secretary clinton come over on and those are some of the things he's waiting to hear. the senator is very -- was excited to shear about some of the things that came out of the platform committee yesterday. there was a resounding unanimous decision to include abolishing the death penalty in the platform. they took up, you know, breaking up the big banks, things like that. but there are some things that still senator sanders needs to hear secretary clinton say. we haven't talked about taking public colleges and universities tuition free. we haven't talked about a $15

minimum wage. things of that -- >> if those are not addressed he will not endorse hillary clinton? >> that's not exactly what i'm saying. senator sanders was -- actually asked yesterday if he would be prepared to endorse secretary before the democratic national convention and he said he would hope that that would happen but it mate not happen. this is literally about the issues. let me breakdown and tell you why. you know, folks that are out there calling for a democratic unity and what not, i think they really is a misunderstanding of, you know, why senator sanders got in this race and who our voters are and who our supporters are. senator sanders got into this race to -- because of issues. he believes in $15 minimum wage. he believes that we need to break up the big banks. we have to address economic inequality, criminal justice reform, down the line. our supporters stood up the join the political revolution because those are issues they believe in. and so when it comes to talking about what we as a party have to

do to ensure that we keep a democrat as the president of the united states, we have to come over on the issues. we have to have some real family business conversations as i like to call them about the issues and where we are and where the party is and where we're going. so that's what's currently happening. again, the conversations are going well. again, senator sanders has been clear though, no endorsement just yet. he would hope it would happen but it's literally about the issues. >> it's also very clear on "morning joe" friday morning saying he would vote for hillary clinton but in another interview he said in all likelihood his vote would go to hillary clinton. is there a reason he seemed to hedge there? >> well, i think, let's not mince words here. i think the general consensus and the senator has said it and he i think if anyone asked him again he would reiterate, yes, he believes he would be vote for secretary clinton in november. because again, the senator believes we have to do everything we can to keep donald trump from being in the white house. he voted he would support the democratic nominee and senator sanders is not the nominee

coming out of philadelphia, which you know he has said we can -- we know math and it looks like he may not be. he is going the support the democratic nominee and he's going to get out there and he's going to campaign for the candidate. he held a rally in syracuse just last night for a congressional candidate. he's going to be going out on the trail for other candidates and we just opened up a section on our website asking folks, do you want to get engaged and involved in the political process, if you want to run for office, sign up here. 20,000 people have signed up on our website. >> all right. >> so senator sanders isn't going anywhere. he's going to be involved and in the fray and definitely going to be involved in helping electing candidates up and down the ballot, taking back the senate. yes, helping make sure that a dc democrat is a 45th president of united states. >> thank you so much for being with me. >> no problem. from your pocket book to world financial stability, the effort to calm fears after british withdrawal from the eu.

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welcome back. i'm francis rivera here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. there is more fallout from the brexit vote. scotland says it will launch immediate talks with european union nations to find a way to remain despite britain's vote to leave. another resignation. commissioner stepping down this morning saying it didn't feel right to stay because he had wanted britain to remain in the eu. and a petition on parliament's website calling for a second referendum passed a million signatures this morning. parliament considers petitions for at the time bait if they get more than 100,000 signatures. the brexit vote is having an impact on the presidential campaign and on president obama. joining us now is kristen welker. donald trump and hillary clinton expressed their views before that vote, so was it a mistake in some sort for their campaigns to do that? >> well, look, some people will argue that it was, francis, and,

of course, donald trump getting a lot of criticism for how he's responding in the wake of the brexit vote. donald trump praising it. secretary clinton, of course, has said that she was opposed to it just as was president obama. her strategy is effectively to try to turn the page, to stress the quote, unquote, special relationship between the u.s. and the uk and her campaign really trying to use this moment to draw a sharp distinction between her experience and that of donald trump's. take a listen to what her press secretary told andrea mitchell. >> the voters will decide hillary clinton is who that it want. >> the clinton campaign also hitting donald trump who is, of course, overseas right now in scotland for seeming to suggest that the volatility in the markets could actually help his own personal business. but there's no doubt that this is making democrats jittery to some extent. for example, if the economy here starts to stall, that could make

voters more likely to choose donald trump, a republican candidate, and, of course, there's concerns that what happened in europe underscores that there is a stronger than expected populous sentiment here in the u.s. secretary clinton trying to reach out to the populous in her own party. of course senator sanders still technically in the race. we anticipate we will hear publicly from secretary clinton for the very first time on this tomorrow when she speaks in indiana. >> kristen welker for us there in washington, d.c. thanks so much for the update. thank you. i want to bring in jarrett bernstein, vice president joe biden's former economic adviser, now an msnbc contributor. first off, as we delve into this and the brexit here and how that's affecting the presidential race, we heard from kristen welker how the democrats may seem a little bit nervous, especially when it comes to hillary clinton's campaign, how this is resonating the popular message that's really revved up so many voters. how do the candidates spin this to resonate with the american

electorate? >> not extent that there is a populous sentiment underlying this and i think that's part of the story. it's not the whole story. there's also an antiimmigrant sentiment underlipping this. on the populous side it's up to the candidates to explain to the voters why their policies will reach the problem better than the other guy or gals. in the case of donald trump the argument tends to be immigrate and i can build a wall and go after china. in the case of hillary clinton you have well articulated policy points. she herself calls her a little bit wonky. and so you have to decide for yourself as a voter does it make sense to say increase the minimum wage. that's something hillary clinton is for. donald trump is typically against that. it doesn't make sense to invest in infrastructure, does it make sense to invest in balancing work and family. these are progressive policy ideas that we associate, i think, more with the democrat side of the aisle than typically republicans although of course

donald trump often changes his tune day to day. >> we saw how the world markets were hammered yesterday and really a rough day here at home on wall street. you have the dow that closed down 610 points. that's the eighth largest point loss ever with an estimated loss of $830 billion in the united states yesterday. so at this point can we look in the rearview mirror, is it going to get worse for us before it gets better or are we done with the worst part? >> nobody knows. but i'll tell you what's really important. and i haven't heard enough of this to tell you the truth. you talked about that $860 billion loss. you could come out here some day xt week and say there's been a $300 billion gai on the markets. they move around -- there's a lot of volatility right now. here's the thing that i think everyone hearing my voice i hope will keep in mind. there's a real difference between the financial markets and the real economy. the financial markets are going to jump around, they're going to by and bop and be volatile. the real economy, jobs, gdp,

wages and income, marley here in the u.s., is not going to take nearly the hit, at least i don't expect it to, from what's happening than you're going to see in the uk and the eu. so i think there's been a level of anxiety about this that's really hard to kind of match to what's actually happening on the ground. >> especially when you consider this that the average loss of about $3100 in americans '401(k) yesterday, that was the loss alone. so what's the best thing to do as far as protecting the investments? is it one of those things, okay, don't go selling, don't even look at it. >> definitely. >> is that what you would recommend? >> again, very much so. the -- no question the 401(k)s are hit. but again, if we were talking -- if we're talking next saturday we may find that a good chunk of that has been made up. you've got to be in this for the long haul. and, sure, trying to time this or day trade your way around this would be kind of crazy. i'm not saying that's not a problem, especially for people who are close to retirement, the

timing is very bad for those folks, no question about that. >> i want to ask you to look in your chris call ball. you told political magazine? it's possible to push for a reference re referendum. is this brexit just the beginning of the end of the eu? >> here, i think the tone of my comments to you has been it's really hard to predict what's going on because we've never had a country leave the eu before. but here i think i can make a couple of solid predictions. one, which i just heard on your show a second ago, is that scotland is -- i expect very soon is going to kind of do the opposite. they want to get back -- >> leave. >> they want to leave the u.k. to get back into the eu. scotland was a very solid vote for remain. there could be a frexit, nexit, netherlands and a czechexit. we'll have to see. >> never find the regretexit and the re morsexit.

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geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. happening now. donald trump arriving in aberdeen, scotland. just moments ago. this is video of that arrival. he is touring one of his golf courses there. shortly before taking off in a golf cart he fielded some questions about brexit. political world is mulling whether the brexit vote will actually help his candidacy. this "new york times" article suggests otherwise. it quite cites the differencesn the elections. joining me now is jamie, washington correspondent for "time" magazine and boston globe. to both of you, thanks for your time. alex, do you agree with that, of the brexit vote isn't really a clear indication that trump will win given the similarities and differences? >> oh, i absolutely agree. listen, the brexit is a very complicated sort of result of

demographic change, geographic change within the eu and within britain. migration. there are elements of populism which sort of makes for an easy comparison with donald trump but the differences here are really quite significant. >> and what would you say those are? >> the differences? between the trump campaign? listen, one of the things that i think the lesson of the brexit is going to teach us ask this idea of a campaign of recklessness. so donald trump has waged for months now this sort of arbitrary pursuit of the white house in the same way that a lot of the leavers did for the brexit brexit campaign. what we're seeing with the volitity of the markets is recklessness. for donald trump to sort of, you know, take this campaign to the white house is going to be very sort of difficult in the long run when poo eem's 401(k)s are effected and the big forces come to play to the average person. >> we were talking about the other similarities, on immigrati

immigration, some find a parallel also and those unhappy with the establishment. one of your colleagues suggested that hillary clinton and the campaign might have underestimated the populism and the message that are revving up those voters there. and what we might see here and how it's replicated. so how does the clinton campaign counter what trump the sure to try to gain political capital from? >> well, you know, washington in general underestimated the power of the poppism of the vote this cycle. no one expected in washington donald trump would be the nominee. and so i think the clinton campaign is very cognizant of the fact that there is a populous streak in this particular campaign. what they're seeing and doing is that they're pointing to the volatility of the markets and saying, look, donald trump will equal if you elect him a total free for all in your 401(k) and just mass panic in the world if you elect somebody that crazy. what's happened following the brexit will happen here in the united states if he's elected to a much, much deeper and larger

degree. and they're saying that's the danger of his candidacy. >> and, alex, you touched on that. so how much weight are you giving that petition for the do over here and that buyers remorse sentiment and how that could weaken donald trump in that argument? >> well, to be honest i'm not sure how far the remorse campaign is going to go. but it's interesting to look at donald trump. so i mean, donald trump, we're already seeing remorse from within the gop. so donald trump surprising victory was a surprise victory for him winning the republican nomination. if you look at the country as a whole, hillary clinton has significant strategic advantages. leads by a wide margin of 14 points in the last reuters poll, tremendous fund-raising advantage. might be over stating the donald trump phenomenon a little bit to compare it to this oneoff majority referendum in a foreign country. >> jay, when you talk about the fight and money being sunk in this. earlier we were talking about

priorities usa announcing they would buy $10.5 million in tv ads in pennsylvania. coincident there or do you think other issues provoked it? >> no, they're absolutely worried about the rust belt in pennsylvania and particularly western pennsylvania. there's a section of it called the alabama of pennsylvania that tends to vote much more populous than other areas of pennsylvania. but you saw this buy actually was meant to shore up particular in urban areas around philly and around scranton and pittsburgh. and that's really meant to shore up the democratic base to sort of point out the democratic base, look, we really need you to turn out, we need you to get out the vote because they are worried about p populism in pennsylvania. it's a state that ended up voting democratic for the last several cycles but it's always been a little bit of a spin state, a question about whether or not it will. and this time around, certainly it will be close. members from congress from pennsylvania who i've spoken to have predicted it will be a close race and she will need to fight there to win it. >> alec, when it comes to donald

trump and especially, you know, the change there with cory lewandowski being fired in that shake-up. interesting also to talk about the family, especially his children and how involved they are in this. so talk about that. how significant is that when it comes to how how this campaign being run and the influence of the trump kids? >> i think all reports sort of change when it comes to donald trump have been highly exaggerated. it's a campaign around one man in many ways and he will sort of rearrange the people around him. largely, this is going to be a vote on donald trump and you know, as we learned from the brexit, anything can happen. >> as we learned and as we continue to see. to both of you, thank you very much. donald trump's big problem among white college graduates. that's next. ♪

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that's where we begin with today's five numbers that matter. joining us now, steven shepard, campaigns and elections editor for politico. as we start this morning with a problem number for donald trump among white college graduates. >> that's right. donald trump is trailing hillary clinton among white college graduates, 48% to 40% according to a cnn/orc poll out this week. this is where he's underachieving right now as he's fallen behind hillary clinton. he still holds a lead among white voters overall, by about 13 points, but he's underachieving where republicans need to be among white voters in order to win and it's those white college educated voters. donald trump wins 56% of the vote among non-college educated white voters but college educated voters, white voters with a college degree, he's only at 40%. he's trailing hillary clinton there. those are the voters he needs to convince. >> next number is one that libertarian presidential candidate gary johnson won't like. 64%. what does that represent? >> that's the percentage of

voters who had no opinion of him or said they never heard of him in the cnn poll this week. gary johnson needs to get 15% of the vote in horse race polls in order to make the debate stage when the candidates meet three times in september and october. right now, when two-thirds of the country doesn't know who you are or doesn't know enough about you that's a problem. he says the key to getting his name out there is getting in the debates. well, he only has three months left in order to get his name out there, in order to be there in the first place. we have to see if he can do that. that is not easy, given the hold the two parties, the two major parties, have over the electorate. >> your next number may be a bit of a surprise. what is it and why are we only hearing about it now? >> right. so this is kind of a weird polling thing. 15% of voters surveyed by monmouth university this week said they had no opinion of donald trump. this is a weird way in which they asked the question because in a cnn poll the voters who couldn't form an opinion of donald trump was only 2%.

this is a case in which the poll actually asked do you have a favorable opinion, unfavorable opinion or do you have no opinion at all. if you give voters that no opinion option, they might take it. it's just -- it underscores whenever you look at any poll, no matter what it is, whether on the election or brexit or anything, you need to look at the way the question is worded. >> i would love to hear the response of why, not only no opinion but why. all right. pride waslso a question in a new survey. why is it a problem for both hillary clinton and donald trump? >> right. very, very -- they asked -- cnn asked voters whether you would be proud to see hillary clinton as president or proud to see donald trump as president. only 35% of voters said they would be proud if hillary clinton was elected president. hillary clinton's candidacy is historic in a lot of ways, as the first female to win a major party presidential nomination, first woman, but voters aren't really getting behind that history. the problem is here for donald trump, only 24% of voters said they would be proud if he were

elected president. he's not creating a lot of pride either. >> thank you very much for the breakdown. >> my pleasure. that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live." i'll be back with you at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. up next, "a.m. joy" with a look at the financial worries for you and the united states after the brexit vote. plus the political future between the united states and great britain. (avo) after 50 years of designing cars for crash survival, subaru has developed our most revolutionary feature yet. a car that can see trouble and stop itself to avoid it. when the insurance institute for highway safety tested front crash prevention nobody beat subaru models with eyesight. not toyota. not ford or any other brand. subaru eyesight. an extra set of eyes, every time you drive.

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it's a great day for the british people. it came out in huge numbers and they didn't fall for project fear, the scaremongering tactics cameron brought in. it's a great day for britain, great day for freedom and great day for democracy. >> you don't want to keep people out. i feel the choice was taken away by being inside the eu. >> the world is still recovering from the shock after voters in'