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we're going to have $21 trillion of debt. it's more than double the debt that we had. so at 21 trillion, that's going to affect america a lot more than brexit. president obama said that would never happen. he said that would never happen. he said if it does happen, that the uk has to get to the back of the line. that was a very bad signal to send to the uk. >> let's bring in nbc reporter ali vitali. >> reporter: i asked him about it today, how he and what he would say to americans who are beginning to feel the stock market volatility on their own pockets. instead of saying it was an american problem, he said we have our own problems, blaming obama for intervening and talking about the brexit

decision, trying to push which way he thought that decision should go and blaming obama for the increase in rising debt. he wasn't here to talk politics. he was here to support family. this is what he had to say. >> my sons have been very involved. i wanted to see what they've done. one night. i was very proud of the job that eric and don and ivanka have done with turnberry. you always have to encourage your children to do a great job. i wanted to come and see what kind of job they did. we've gotten phenomenal reviews from everyone. you always have to stay with your children. i was very happy with the job they did. >> reporter: of course trump saying he's here for family but he's making news about things

other than brexit. he was asked about the muslim ban that was here and if someone from scotland was a muslim would be allowed in the united states, trump said to that person it wouldn't bother him in a scottish muslim was allowed. it seems unclear now, the water is murky if the blanket ban on muslims is over or if trump is trying to walk it back. what his advisers did say to us was that it's about muslim from countries that support terrorism and it's unclear now whether that blanket ban is on the table still or if trump is walking it back to try to focus on countries with a history of terror, which brings about a whole other set of questions. >> to be continued, not concluded, that's for sure. >> thank you, ali. to the democrats now and hill hi saying the brexit vote underscores the need for calm, steady, experienced leadership in the u.s.

joining me now, nina buehrle, national correspondent for "newsweek." i want to get your opinion on the clinton campaign's reaction to brexit. do you think they underestimated the sentiments and how it could potentially be replicated here in america? >> i don't think they're underestimating the populism. you see what they're doing in pennsylvania, pouring money into trying to stop trump's appeal to white, blue collar voters. and i think that they're not -- they're not underestimating. maybe they haven't put as much time into concentrating on what was going on over there as many people did not hear. but i think in the end it reverberates for them and for experience and against the kind of leadership that trump is talking about. and we can talk a little bit more about that if you want to. >> i do want to ask you how you think the clinton campaign will

try to counter what donald trump will take away from brexit saying there are parallels to be drawn, i'm on the sign of the populists and those people that wanted to leave. how will they counter? >> well, i think the numbers are showing that the leave vote was mostly older people and the younger people, had they come out to vote in the numbers that they have, could have turned it into the other direction. this really is a regressive movement, generational. it is not a forward-looking movement. and i think what the clinton campaign is probably going to do is try to mobilize younger voters because this is going to be the first election in which millennials potentially outnumber baby boomers. >> and so how much do the supporters of bernie sanders factor into this, to the clinton campaign thinking we have to access them at some point when bernie sanders actually drops

out of the race, which he has yet to do, though interestingly he said he would vote for hillary clinton in november. how do you explain that? >> clearly they have to get the bernie voters, get that enthusiasm. you and i may have talked about this before. she is going to be the first woman president and obviously she needs to get enthusiasm among younger women and among women in general because, again, women, the number of women who vote have put democrats over the top, certainly obama into the white house. and millennial, the youthful women need to be brought into a sense of the historic sense of this. and they haven't been able to do that yet for a lot of reasons. and i think they're probably going to start focusing on that. so women and young people will have to be motivated. >> i want to talk to you about an article that you wrote in which you explored the role of former president bill clinton, the role he will play if his wife wins in november.

interesting the title "the clintons: two presidents, one white house and a world of trouble." explain. what are the options here? >> it's just a question that's been hanging over this campaign, for me anyway, since she started a year ago, what to do about bill. i'm surprised that other people haven't written about this yet because it really is something that -- it's controversial. there are lots of questions, protocol, silly protocol questions. where to put him. does he get the office in the east wing? does he have to do the ceremonial things and meet with the wives of the visiting leaders? all of these questions unanswered. he is president clinton for life so what do they call him when they walk into the room together? those are questions i answered, i asked white house historians to talk about it. but more seriously the question is what will he do? she's talked about giving him jobs and you know how that

worked out when he gave her a job. >> i was going to say. >> so that is not always the best plan here. he could be the first white house spouse to work outside the home. how revolutionary, right? i mean, hillary and michelle obama were lawyers and they didn't work outside the home, but he is on the board of the clinton foundation and potentially he has not indicated that he's going to step down. that opens up a whole other can of worms because of the allegations of the conflicts of interest in the billions dollars he has raised from well-connected donors. can you just imagine the house republicans holding investigative hearings on a daily basis throughout a hillary clinton presidency. >> you have asked a bunch of great questions, all of them definitely on the forefront of many people's minds. that said, did the historians give you a definitive way we

would address president clinton? >> yes. what he said is he is president clinton outside the white house. in the white house and when he is next to her, let's say at a state dinner, he would be called mr. clinton. so they would say, ladies and gentlemen, president clinton and mr. clinton. and then outside of the white house he is president clinton because that is his title for life. >> and what would we call him in the media? we talk about the first lady. what, first dude? he's cool, he plays the sax. >> alex, we get to make it up. we live in revolutionary times and we get to make it up. isn't that fun? >> that's going to be fun. we'll talk. thank you so much. >> let's go now to west virginia where devastating flooding is ravaging homes and cars in that state. officials confirm 23 people have died. the worst part at this hour, still many residents are

unaccounted for. morgan, i understand the governor is now asking for a federal disaster declaration, which seems to be proper considering the damage there. >> reporter: that's right, alex. he's asking for fema to offer assistance because there are still people unaccounted for. there are 44 counties under a state of emergency. i want to show you this collapsed road behind me. this is what has caused hundreds of people to be trapped inside of a shopping mall. the new evacuation route is made of simple mud, grout, limestone. some people say they're choosing to stay because what they are to go home to, if their home is even left may not be much. so they're making the most out of the opportunities they have available still inside here of this strip mall. take a listen to what some of them told us today, alex. >> we've been able to crank out quite a bit of food out of the store. anything we can do for the

community and our employees, that's what we're going to do. >> these people are just goodness personified. >> alex, you can understand why some of those people are choosing to stay here behind me when you consider just how bad it is in some of the other parts of west virginia. for example, in clarendon, people are being handed life vests because the entire town is emerged. another woman clinging to a tree as she was swept away and now her body is 70% burned. >> horrifying.

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this is unchaertered territory. nobody here, in brussels or berlin know how this process will pan out. angela merkel said it need not be a nasty divorce. but here they are working on what you could call the world's most complex divorce, unraveling dozens of treaties, hundreds of trade agreements, 50 years of foreign policy, thousands of questions to answer because the european union has a part of every day life here from food to cars to vehicles to exports to airplanes, the lot. so there are a lot of questions. europe, of course, wants done quickly. the french foreign minister even saying earlier today that britain should elect a new prime minister or have a new prime minister within days so we can

get on with this. that's exactly the kind of language that those who voted leave don't like. they don't want to be dictated to by a european union that they've just turned their back on. it's exactly the kind of thing that they would say no. so all the indications here are that people will take their time and i think the leave campaigners will be quite happy if britain dragged its feet over this. >> what's the interpretation of these nearly 2 million people who in the last 24 hours or so said, wait, let's slow this down, maybe we need to have a second referendum. just anecdotally this was evidenced by a woman who was in an interview on "nightly news" last night said i voted to leave and my entire family is thinking about this and thinking we've made a mistake. >> reporter: yes, that's certainly buyer's remorse in action. su

surely many of those signatures will have been the same. so nearly 2 million signatures to trigger a debate. it can go to 2 million or 3 million. it has no legislative force whatsoever. it's an expression of people's dismay, of people's shock, disappointment. you know, many young people in this country are saying basically our parents and our grandparents have sold and given away our future, our future to travel in europe, possibly our economic future. so the petition is interesting but at the minute it has no legal force, alex, whatsoever. >> bill neeley outside of parliament for us in westminster. thank you very much. >> new reaction from president obama calling out donald trump for his rhetoric but not mentioning him by name. he made these comments at a fund-raiser in seattle last night. >> and we don't have time for charltons and we don't have time

for hatred and bigotry and we don't have time for flim-flam and we don't have the luxury of just popping off and saying whatever comes to the top of our heads. don't have time for that. >> meanwhile politico is reporting former campaign manager corey lewandowski was ultimately fired because of the handling of the presumptive nominee's comments of judge gonzalez coriel. holly, as mr. trump sees this brexit vote -- >> what we have learned this past election season is conventional wisdom isn't conventional anymore. what we've been hearing from those on capitol hill, quite a

future of them have applauded the decision for the united kingdom to leave the eu. instead, there is a harbinger of things to come this fall. i believe senator tom cotton said the leaders in washington, brussels and london should be on warning. they should be warned that people are dissatisfied with the economic stagnation, with terror at home, immigration problems. so it is kind of a wake-up call, i think. >> how do you think the clinton campaign counters is sure to try to gain in terms of political capital or do you think the c campaign let it is play out and watch to see if there is fallout? >> the clinton campaign has already put out a video that's about a minute long where they

juxtapose -- they've come out with this video that says donald trump is about himself, while the world is talking about how is britain going to survive this vote, how are people going to implement this change, he's already talking about his golf courses, he's already kind of off base and not traveling with his foreign ministers. so they've already learned from the 16 people and 16 republicans who decided not to wait and really pounce on the things that they want to highlight and really want to show him as unqualified to be president. >> that's underscoring what she says repeatedly, that he's temperamentally unfit to be president. >> and the clinton campaign going to buy $10.5 worth of ads in pennsylvania. >> i think there's a lot going on in pennsylvania right now. it going to be a very key state come the fall. this is something i bet that had been in the works, but who knew

that -- most people were saying that the uk was not going to leave brexit. i think that it happened and the way that donald trump reacted made it easier for them to make the buy. >> yamice, earlier the press secretary appeared on the air and said although sanders is likely to vote in november, he's not ready to drop out yet because she's not saying what he wants to hear. this comes after the proposal to add the $15 minimum wage hike, that was shot down during the committee. what does his timeline look like in terms of dropping out of the race and formally endorsing her? >> it timeline looks like he's going to drop out after the convention. if he endorses her is up in the air. when i saw the interview where bernie sanders was saying he would vote for hillary clinton, i got in touch with my sources

at the campaign and said what does this mean? i got a response that surprised me. the campaign spokesperson told me this means nothing. it is not an endorsement of hillary clinton. however, the fact that he's already saying he's going to vote for her already to me signals and to a lot of his supporters signals there's no longer part of this idea of bernie or bust, that one day he'll flip hundreds of superdelegates and become the next nominee. a lot of his supporters are already taking this and saying even though bernie sanders may not be formally endorsing her, the fact that he's voting for her tells them you should be voting for her, too. it up in the air when he actually formally endorses her. as a reporter who has been hearing him say for months i don't know what i'm going to do, i don't know what my plan is, the idea that he said already he is going to vote for hill hl and

he's already saying she needs to pick a progressive vice president is already telling me he's coming to terms with the fact that he's going to have to back hillary clinton. >> it's a mixed message. he's not going to back out and say i'm not going to be voting for her. the message is we just want to put donald trump anywhere but the white house. >> molly, the clinton camp, do you think it's getting tired of having to wait bernie sanders ount his campaign or is there something to be gained by it? >> i think they are getting a little tired. the democrats are tired. they want it to be over. one of my sources on capitol hill told me we still have an fbi investigation out there and anything can happen between now and the convention in july, whenever the democrats officially, you know, make hillary clinton the nominee. and this is just, you know, in the back of bernie's mind. it's nice to have a little leverage and still be relevant.

he's kind of -- he's still relevant in the fact that he hasn't officially endorsed her because people wonder what's he going to do? what else does he want? >> okay, molly and yamiche, thank you. >> billions in loss. the staggering amount millions lost just one day after the brexit vote. uh oh. yeah. oop! there's the rescue text from my roommate saying she needs me. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back: the citi double cash card.

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infiltrate the refugee population put much of that continent on edge, especially after terror attacks in brussels and paris. joining us from washington, will mccann, former state department senior adviser for countering violent extremism and the author of "isis apocalypse." welcome to you. the foreign minister of six of the eu nations, original ones, released a joint statement "we remain of the firmest belief that the european union provides a historically unique and indispensable framework for the perfect of freedom, prosperity and security in europe and contributing to peace and stability in the world." do you think security fears are overblown or spot on? >> well, i think they're overblown a bit. most of these intel sharing agreements are between two countries and not really dependent on the european union as a whole. but that said, the fact that

britain is leaving is going to mean negotiations with britain about its status afterward are going to take precedence at the time when european countries need to be negotiating the agreements to make sure nobody slips through with the ref juge again. >> what about the brookings poll. a slim majority, 51% of americans surveyed said they are very worried or somewhat worried about being a victim of terrorism. that was up from 33% from just a couple of years ago in 2014. does the public attitude reflect reality? >> no, not in this country, but it's difficult in this very connected age and media environment for people to think reasonably about the threat of terrorism. we don't have nearly the threat here that they have in europe and yet you say in the poll the fear is almost off the charts, almost the same as after 9/11, which makes it difficult to have

a reasonable discussion about policy solutions to the problem. >> but in terms of solutions, lone wolves, how would policy affect that, stopping that? >> it would affect some of them, particularly if they had been on a terror watch list. the problem with the orlando shooter is he had been briefly on there because they didn't find a reason to keep him on there. so we feed to have a broader discussion about guns in our society but that's not going to happen. >> in the wake of omar mateen's heinous attack, is there any hint of anyone else being involved or was this truly the definition of a lone wolf attack? >> it sounds like this is loan wolf. a lot of this is the new face terrorism we're going to be facing in the west. in this connected age being individuals are going to rise to the call of groups like isis and in societies where there's lots

of guns, they're going to be able to do a lot of damage. >> how much power does this give isis, knowing it can affect individuals this way? >> it gives them a lot of power. as they lose territory in syria and iraq, they're going to create a huge headache for security services and destabilize politics around the world. >> when you say make these calls, does that mean isis is making an effort to encourage more lone wolf attacks in their name? >> that's right. they did so last month and 2014 after the bombing started, the first call the went out. the more aggressive the west is against the islam being state, the more incentive it has to call for the lone wolf attacks in the u.s. >> what about the attacks they don't happen, those are the sop before and that is one of the

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don't know what i said, ah. >> we need god more than he needs us. >> i don't bring god into that picture. >> use of force is only a last resort. >> i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. >> joining me now, co-founder of the free the delegates movement, kenda. welcome to you. >> i'm glad you clarified it's a new rule because there's a very large misconception that we're changing the rules. we're not changing any rules mid stream. we're crafting the rules for the convention prior to the convention. this is a conscience clause. it allows for the del geegates because of an act of conscience, to unbind from the candidate.

i'm not giving them the ability to unbind. i'm codifying what already exists and that is their ability to unbind. i call it the permission slip from mom. they already have the legal ability to unbind and that's been brought into the light by the fact that there have been three supreme court decisions and 240 historical precedents that allow them to unbind. so the state laws that have been enacted in an attempt to assure that they must carry out the outcome of the primary are simply not constitutional. in fact, it actually illegal to force a delegate to bind to a candidate. so what this consciousness clause does is basically gives them a rule for those who are rule followers, because republicans tend to be rule

followers, it's giving them a chance to say i have a rule that says i can do this. >> two things here first of all. ahead of each convention, rules are written applicable to that convention. that's traditional. so your point in clarifying this is not something that you're changing rules, it's literally what's done before every convention so there's that. but to the point of saying people can be unbound, to the conscientious appeal there, how do you justify it when 14.5 million voters have cast their vote and said we want donald trump? >> sure. we had an open primary and blanket primary system that flooded our party with independents and donald trump bragged about that. now it's time for the party to either rubber stamp that presumptive nominee or not. this is party issue. the supreme court ruled three different times a state cannot interfere in operations of a

private organization. imagine if a state was trying to interfere in the voting outcome of a homeowner's board or any local board. the public wouldn't put up with that. if you look at the primary as a preference poll and we're going to determine whether that preference is carried out, we are accountable to our consiste constituents. we're responsible to them, not to the party to carry out the will of the voter. and i can tell you for 50 years the school curriculum from kindergarten to college have erroneously stated we are a democracy. we are a constitution republic, we are not a democracy. and you have representative government. and we are there to delegate and we're entrusted with the vote that we have to use our wisdom and apply that at a given time.

>> i understand all that but the point that you make that you were able to convince thousands of people that you should be a delegate. i mean, exponentially pull that out further across the 50 states, 14.5 million people were convinced by donald trump that he's their guy. >> remember, this is the party process now. he did not win a majority, he won a plurality. because of the perfect storm that came into play with all of the different candidates, and there's 48% of republicans that don't want him as our nominee. if we even wanted to play that majority rules, which our founding fours were clear that 50 plus one does not make something right. this formed our entire government on a system of protecting the minority. but let's say we're going to play that game. we're representing the 60% that did not vote for donald trump. >> okay. >> and once again, if the delegates, once they are unbound and exercise their given right

that already exists to unbind, they can still vote for donald trump and then we own him as a party. there are just so many delegates that do the not want him as the face of our party, that he doesn't adhere to our party platform and he's not a republican. he's a progressive populist. >> people may not want him but it was suggested earlier that you can't replace something with nothing. who steps in? >> well, this is an historical first, that's for sure, to run a campaign without a candidate, but i know and i've seen this happen before, when you create the groundswell and you show the support that there is that groundwork and a base that goes out and works for a candidate, there will be a candidate who steps in. i don't know who it going to be at this time but i do know somebody will step in. that's why we've been able to develop a coalition between the rubio and the kasich and the cruz and scott walker people.

they all are in agreement they do not want donald trump as our nominee. this is the party of reagan, lincoln and we're casting away our heritage that has an activist for 30 years, i have helped to build this party. we don't want a trojan horse candidate coming in and taking over our party because it it will never be the same. >> those folks at delegates unbound that shows the ronald reagan versus donald trump, pretty -- (war drums beating)

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similarities are being drawn between the brexit and the united states presidential race. donald trump is praising the brits for taking their country back and promising the same thing here on election day. both are concerned by open borders are dissatisfied with the government establishment. charles, i am going to reach out to you first, what is it exactly that drove the brits who voted to leave?

a push against the elite? talk about that? >> it was certainly a push against the elite. but the parallels between the success of trump and what happened in the u ks somewhat exaggerated. in a contact throughout the west that rejecting elites the skepticism managed to get to over 50%. >> who was it that voted? where did the votes come from? >> england mostly and also wales. both parts of england feel they have not done very well since the financial crisis and can't feel in globalization their interests. the fact that scotland and ireland voted to remain, they

have different political cultures and london generally feels positive about its position within the eu. >> kelly, do you think the vote gives a boost to the trump campaign? >> i think he is going to try to use it in his favor. he used it to boost his campaign. i think, as charles mentioned, he is exaggerating the comparison but he is saying this nationalism is effective and translating in the uk to what he sees here in the united states and feels like it is going to get him over the finish line in november and i think hillary clinton uses the vote as well but in a different way to focus on the sustainive repercussions that the vote will have on the u.s. economy and talked in her

statement for the need for steady and calm leadership, something she argues trump is not capable of. >> both camps are trying to fund raise off of this brexit. is that a sign that her campaign has real concerns about donald trump? >> i think they do have some concerns. his campaign anything but predictable in terms of his public support that many underestimated. many see it as an opportunity to remind voters that this is serious and they want to be sure american voters don't have the same regret about the brexit vote in the uk and they are using it to their benefit and it

is a smart choice for both campaigns. >> there is a concern in the uk of a lack of control. i think that was the very successful slogan. vote leave and take control. people feel there should be control even if it comes from countries that terrare nearby i europe and conflated that with fears of migration from the middle east. all of those things were confla conflated. >> what about the anti-immigration perspective for so many that support donald trump? are there parallels to be drawn there? >> that is the closest parallel

in terms of the news that we are getting here in the united states. this is evidence that people were concerned about, as charles mentioned, control. that there is a concern about the economic and the social or security risk of immigration. that is something that donald trump touted in his discussion of the ban on muslims or honing in on that argument and really use fear and stoking the fear that people have to say that we need to, as he said in his statement in response to the brexit vote, we need to redeclare independence in the united states and control our borders. that is something he is using to resonate with the voters that do have those concerns. >> is there a winner in the brexit vote?

some suggested russia is a winner. >> yes. russia played a prominent part in this campaign. the kremlin made it clear it was a decision for the british people. most in london and the metropolitan elites have said that the only country that will be happy to see it happen would be russia. russia would like to divide up countries in europe so they end up as the most powerful country. i think it is quite striking that no other uk ally at all said they wanted a brexit. >> thank you so much for weighing in. i appreciate that. that is a wrap of this hour of msnbc live. i will see you at noon eastern tomorrow.

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