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and i don't think she has a clue and then you have been heard from her since. she shouldn't have called it at all. there was no reason to call it at all. >> financial markets are rattled all around the globe after the dramatic events in europe. a look at what could have happened on monday and west virginia rising flood waters killed 23 people and rescue efforts are still underway but we start overseas as fall out over britain's vote to leave the eu continues to have major ramifications today. top officials held an emergency meeting demanding britain leave as quickly as possible and now scotland is calling to stay in the eu. it caused a financial melt down. $2 trillion lost by the end of the day. and shock over leaving europe was expressed across newspaper stands all over the city. it reached 2 million people.

that's 20 times to debate it. even some that voted to leave are regretting it. >> i didn't think that was going to happen. i didn't think it was going to matter to you much. i thought it was going to remain. i think that should be magnified now. so quite worried. >> matt bradley joins us now. what are voters saying there? stuff like the gentleman we just said? he obviously regrets it. >> well, there are some regrets but there's mostly just a feeling here in london that people are really -- just feel so distant from the rest of the country that voted to leave. london when you're walking around this city you feel as though you are apart or involved with continental europe. this is such a international city. i hate to indulge in the journalistic decision of my taxi driver. about an hour after the results

were announced and i was racing to work and i have an uber driver that's a british national himself and a native of london. he had only been working about an hour and he already picked up a german man, a spanish man and a polish man and his point was where are the british people. this is my business. i'm making money from this nature of this city. if this referendum shows anything it's that london here is not great britain. if you look at the map, you can see that london is something of an island? among the larger island of the u. k.? most for the north and the east and post industrialized cities and country side. and places where they feel left out from the kind of globalization and massive international institutions like the european union. it's those people that felt as though they needed to vote to leave. and it's interesting seeing a lot of this that we mentioned

earlier. this feeling of buyers remorse. these people felt that he they were voting because they're trying to reclaim their democracy and the irony there is this democracy they were trying to reclaim by voting they hadn't lost this to begin with because they won the vote. >> matt bradley in london, thank you. the uncertainty over the vote is also being felt here at home. four persons with a 401(k) thank you for being here. >> it's done by commuters and traders taking advantage of this

news. leave your money there and don't worry about it. >> what do you think we're going to see on monday? more of the same? that kind of panic? >> there may be more volatility in the market but these are short-term fluctuates and not saving for your old age. and it's going to take awhile for the market to sort this out. first of all britain may not leave the eu. they have to envolkswagen a clause in the treaty to begin to do that. they want to have a revote but even if they do britain's trading was mostly with europe and not with us. they're a large trading partner with us but much smaller than china, mexico and canada. >> if there was a revote would brussels even accept them? >> i don't know. this is pretty unchartered territory. there's a procedure to leave the eu but the eu began first put forth as an idea.

the united states of europe by winston churchill. the wartime prime minister of the united kingdom. what are you going to see four or five weeks from now? do you think that panic will eventually settle some what? >> the big player in this, the wealthy individuals effected by this change are going to figure out what is in their own best interest and they're going to make a lot of different choices. the economy in england is very complicated. the scottish independence party made it clear that they're going to press for a vote to be independent. they want to be part of the european union. it's ironic that donald trump and his promotion in scottish golf courses today is talking as if the scots were in favor of leaving the eu. >> made for some very colorful twitter debate. i learned a few more words in the process. >> if i had a pound for every time the brits wanted to leave

the european union i'd have 89 pence right now. >> how do you think this will effect our gpt or jobs here? >> i don't think it will have an effect on that at all. there will be some movement. you have seen the banks indicate they may alter their jobs. there will be some companies that may decide to move offices to say madrid or paris or somewhere in germany because of this but that's going to effect the british economy and not the american economy. >> now what about the federal reserve here and our interest rates? >> i think janet yellen made it clear that she is going to maintain this artificial policy of zero interest rates or close to them. we're not having economic growth. we're not having the same problem in britain that lead to this vote. we have all of these stelth government policies that

redistribute to those up at the top. but the real reason you see so many people older minimally skilled workers feeling such pain is all of these rules that our congress and the british parliament and legislatures have and the hotel and the republicans are going to hold their conference in or their main conference hotel in cleveland. it's a government owned hotel built with tax dollars that one of the citizens of cleveland or the surrounding country voted for is forced on them and it's what is at the bottom of the rise of the nationals party in france. being able to trick people in the vote that went on in london

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dinner with rupert murdoch here in the u. k. tonight and he's heading back with a sense of validation. a little bit victorious. and as he sees as a positive vote here in the u.k. to leave the eu. donald trump believes it's victorious. they campaigned on three major principles. one is immigration and another is a sense of nationalism. that's three things that donald trump hits on the campaign trail over and over again in america. reaction to the leaders and the politicians and experts that believe in the voters mind that they know more than the voters. that's what supporters like about donald trump. that he's going to go into washington and he's not a politician and is going to change things up. they believe he speaks for them in a way that other politicians do not. that's some of the similarities between what happened in the u.k. and what could happen in the u.s. with this race for the

white house. one of the major factors that could hurt donald trump is that the u.k. electorate is less diverse than the american electorate. 30% of voters in america are minorities and donald trump does not enjoy a significant amount of support among the voters which could hurt him in the electoral college. many u.k. voters woke up this morning with a bit of a hang over regretting their decision. seeing that the pound is vastly devalued down to its lowest level since the 80s and worried about how their home prices will fend in the future and how their daily goods will tgo up in pric so there's a hang over from that and that could not necessarily boost donald trump's message when he comes home but trump himself praising brexit saying he saw it coming and taking the opportunity again to attack president obama while he was standing on foreign soil. >> how big of a statement is that? the u.k. gets to the back of the

line. now what happens is his worst nightmare happened and now he is trying to take it back. hillary clinton looks bad and so does barrack obama. >> that goes against a long tradition and principle of politics stop at the waters edge. don't attack other politicians when you are overseas. donald trump is not a traditional politician at this point. the big irony of praising brexit is he was doing it here in scotland and scotland is one of the few places that voted overwhelmingly to stay in the eu. >> katie, thank you. well, the clinton campaign didn't waste any time responding to trump's initial reaction to the brexit vote. they called him reckless and an egomanic while they released an ad with the same measure.

>> the dow looks to open lower by about 500 pounds. >> look if the pound goes down they're going to do more business. when the pound goes down, more people are coming. >> joining me to discuss the brexit vote impact is the former republican congresswoman and david goodfriend democratic strategist and former deputy staff secretary to president bill clinton. let's start with you. many are seeing brexit vote as an indicator of what's to come here in november. voters in the u.k. show their disgust with being out of touch with the real concerns of real voters. how would donald trump capitalize on that? >> well, i think if donald trump sticks to the theme he has hit upon about the economy, if he does that in a disciplined way we do need regulatory reform. one of the themes for brexit

voters is that they are in essence frustrated, disgusted with what i call describers and p p prescribers. >> right. >> there's bureaucrats and policy makers that have to pay the consequences of the policies. donald trump tapped into that powerful vain in popular sentiment. he's much more valid on those issues than hillary clinton is that represents that elite. >> it really does almost mirror it. it's crazy when you think about it. one poll this week showed that americans trust donald trump over hillary clinton with the economy but they believe that clinton is more likely to exercise good judgment in a crisis. how could the brexit fall out effect those kinds of numbers? >> well i think that we're seeing some soft numbers with respect to donald trump and the

economy. there's a long list of business leaders that endorsed hillary clinton over donald trump. we have to dig in and ask who do you trust in an economic sense? who is going to be there for you? who is on your side if you're a working family or teacher or cop? and there's the numbers. but i'll say this about your question. i think the brexit situation today and the fall of the pound against the dollar and the reporting that you have just done on some of the regrets that british voters have, that's going to take some time to play out. all you're going to need to do is look at economic rewralties on the ground in great britain going forward and the story will speak for itself. i agree i think this is an important point. i think that policy makers in a bubble can sometimes make the mistake of thinking that they're very rational ideas are somehow

picked up by the general population and if someone is hurting they're hurting and they'll express that in a number of ways. plenty of americans are still hurting after the financial crisis and the irony of donald trump, a self-promoting billionaire that would throw people under the bus to save his own skin he's probably the wrong marijua messenger in the long run. i do think that bernie sanders also tapped into that sentiment and is playing a very productive role. he is playing a very productive role in making sure that the democratic party is sensitive to that and responsive to. that's important. the party will be stronger for it. >> interesting point. donald trump made a reference to immigration concerns in the u. k. yesterday. let's take a quick listen to that. >> you're taking your country back. you're going to let people that you want into your country or people that you don't want or people that you don't think are

going to be appropriate for your country or good for your country you're not going to have to take. >> we have been expecting trump to pivot away from immigration concerns because he was heavily criticized even by his own party here in america for them but it was a major factor in brexit. do think that vote will emotions bolden him back toward immigration issues? >> i don't expect him to pivot away from immigration but this is the jarring similarity in the profile of the brexit voter and the trump voter. if you look at the polls both groups tend to be older and they tend to be white, less educated. they have a nostalgia for the good old days and they believe in make america great again. take back control. they believe by leaving the european union they can return to those days. trump is going to capitalize on that and he's going to argue as

he already has that there are parallels that this sort of voter will appear in the american electorate as well. there's huge limitations though. one lesson that elites need to learn here is that they can be powerful on this side of the pound as well but that doesn't mean trump can create a winning coalition with that base. the united kingdom is 82% white and the united states is 63% white and they give hillary clinton a bigger advantage so trump has to do better with the rising american electorate and his standing is pretty dismal with them. it remains to be seen. the last thing i'll point out is hillary clinton's campaign argued that the fall out from the brexit vote, more austerity measures and more jobs cut will give the british people that voted for this buyers remorse and it will hurt donald trump's message of being opposed to imfwrags. that's what the campaign is counting on now.

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national guard troops built a temporary road to rescue shoppers trapped in a shopping mall for more than 24 hours. morgan is following the latest from west virginia. >> melissa, good afternoon. i want to show you this road here behind me that completely collapsed. it left 500 shoppers stranded for 48 hours. most of them have since been evacuated but some are choosing to stay say hag the conditions inside are better hahn they are in the 44 counts still under a state of emergency. i went to one of the hardest hit areas and here's what residents told me. take a listen. >> my car stalled out here and the water started rushing heavily and the rain was pouring hard and i knew i was in trouble and i got out of the car when the water started coming in and i walked forward and got other vehicles turning around an i saw the flasher lights on my car

going over the embankment there. i watched it flip into the abyss. it was very cold. i didn't realize how it could kick in with it being summer months but with the cold water it really was. >> we bought a grill awhile ago and grilled out in the parking lot and had burgers. had to eat. no water running up there so we had to make due with what we had. >> just to give you context this is the deadliest flash flood they have seen. that is news for crews continuing their search and rescue. melissa. >> thank you. >> joining me now on the phone is kent carver. commission president there. what is your situation in your county right now? >> well the situation is dire. we have thousands of people without electricity.

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>> to decision 2016 now hillary clinton is hitting the campaign trail we elizabeth warren next week. they're sending out e-mails that read political observers and financial analysts were confident that the referendum would fail. they never processed the possibility of a different result. we can't make the same mistake. kristen has more on the race.

can we expect similar messaging on the campaign trail as well? >> absolutely. secretary clinton is going to be in indiana tomorrow melissa and this is the first time we'll hear publicly from her about the brexit vote. her campaign has been slamming donald trump for his response. the fact that he essentially indicated that the market volatility could help his business personally. the fact that he said there was no real need to consult with his foreign policy advisors around this. the clinton campaign sees this as a moment to draw sharp distinctions over donald trump over his experience versus his lack of experience. it underscores the fervor that exists here and if the u.s. economy stalls that could spell trouble for secretary clinton.

what you're going to see if she is going to be running adds in these states. $10 million in ads in pennsylvania and monday she will be campaigning with elizabeth warren. the progressives that support bernie sanders. a lot of buzz about being vetted as a potential vp pick. she is one of several others. >> her role has lately been attack dog. do you see we can see that continue? >> undoubt dedlundoubtedly. she is seen as one of the more effective attack dogs against donald trump. she is getting unhis skin. that's why he has that nickname for her, something that has backfired in a lot of ways. it's also something that's red meat for his supporters but whether or not she becomes the vp pick, clin on campaign sees

her as an asset. a way to rally senator sanders supporters. that's going to be so critical because senator sanders still in this race even though he is not campaigning and slamming secretary clinton he is still thereful so critical to unify democrats ahead of the convention. >> thank you. well with the general election underway the pressure is now on for clinton to name her running mate. here to talk about that is the politics reporter for politico.com and david goodfriend that's a former bill clinton staffer. let's start with you. tim cain is looking like a top choice. chuck todd talked with him on the meet the press and we want to listen to that first. >> are you qualified to be commander and chief. >> nobody should say they're ready for that responsibility. it is so you. >> so let's talk about the pros and cons about cain as a choice.

>> he is a former governor. swing state senator. endorsed. the current governor an close clinton ally and a former missionary. someone that is a finalist for barrack obama 8 years ago. this guy from what i hear no one questions his ability to be president. to be vice president. he is a solid, solid pick. he speaks spanish. the down side is he's seen as a safe and boring choice compared to a fire cracker like elizabeth warren or a young up and coming star. but he has risen from everyone i have spoken to he has risen from the top of her list because he is extremely qualified and already vetted. >> all the qualities. >> this is a very tricky situation when you think about it. you have to choose a vp candidate that will not be replaced by republican that's already sitting in a seat and could be remaced by a

republican. that's part of their strategy, correct. >> you're right. you have the senate majority in playwright now. the democrats hope to retake the senate majority and the governor as a republican like say ohio where he is a great senator and would make a great pick but john kasic is the governor and that would put the democrat strategy at risk for retaking the senate majority. so that puts candidates like my personal favorites from minnesota closer to the list and annie mentioned that in an article recently. comes from an important midwestern state and in that state the governor is a democrat so he would replace him with a fellow democrat. and would not put the majority at risk. it doesn't hurt. it doesn't hurt at all.

you look at the impact that elizabeth warren has attacking donald trump. there's probably somebody other than hillary clinton that can take that roll and run with it. i think people much smarter than me on the campaign are thinking about who would make b the ideal pick and quite frankly the number one rule in choosing a vp is a lot like the oath that doctors take. above all else do no harm. that is really top of mind for the campaign leadership for former president clinton. for hillary clinton. they don't want to do something that will really throw off their winning strategy. what role does timing play in all of this. for maximum effect here. >> they want to announce at the convention before. >> we have the democratic convention after the republican convention. that was considered a good hand.

you can wait and see what it will look like before making your choice. but they're very close together. and before the dem rats have theirs to announce. and before the republican convention to take some steam out of the trump show. i think you would juan all the information of what the other side is doing before. if you can have it, why not take that. all strategy. it's all about strategy. i have a question for you. do you think she should go more progressive to capture the bernie saners voters or go more moderate independents out there. >> it really comes down to what is going to be best for beating donald trump. and to annie's point to make sure that he is the nominee is critical at that point. i think that leaning into this

and being aggressive would be how i advise the campaign. it's not to play it so safe that you hughes the opportunity to gain momentum here and it's critical that the clinton campaign tap into the enthusiasm of the bernie supporters and they need their votes. i think that's critical so yes the choice has to be someone that can keep the unity of the democratic party goond after trump and hopefully all can days would be able to do that well. >> thank you both. >> up next, puerto rico's economy is already in shambles. now tourism there is getting bitten by the zika virus. a look at how big the threat is there when we return. (avo) after 50 years of designing cars for crash survival, subaru has developed our most revolutionary feature yet.

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with the summer travel season in full swing there's growing concerns that an outbreak of mosquitos carrying zika will hit the mainland. zika has already been linked to birth defects in four babies born in the u. s. and more than 800 travel related cases of the virus have been confirmed. we're joined by msnbc's tony and you have fun that the panic wasn't really what you thought it would be, right? so the cdc is very concerned about zika. when you hear estimates that 25% will get zika this year. it doesn't mean that everyone is alligator around on cots and like it's an out break of bengay fever. but you see they're more concerned about the economic impact of tourists pulling out and when you're a mainlander

they will laugh at you in the street as i found out. take a look at this. >> so we're heading to this canal. a lot of mosquitos breed there. some of them may be carrying zika. are you worried? >> no. >> you're laughing. >> i'm not sure. nothing happening. >> i'm going to put on moskito spray. are you sure you don't want any? >> coming from is it states i look at that and i think mosquitos are coming out and i'm worried i'm going to get zika. you don't seem to be worried about it at all. >> i'm relaxed. >> zero cases. zero cases right next to the canal. >> is zika hurting the economy?

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this week the turmoil overseas overshadowed the delegates to the republican convention here. a virginia delegate filed a class action lawsuit in federal court challenging the state's law that binds delegates to support a candidate at the national convention. the out come could have significant implications for donald trump's nomination as it will be a test case of a key argument being pushed by opponents that want to see him stopped at a contested convention meanwhile a group is set to launch a campaign. >> i'd like to punch him in the face i'll tell you. >> but it won't count for much and it won't last unless it's grounded in thoughtfulness and knowledge. >> you have to see this guy. i don't know what i said.

>> it's time to realize i think that we need god more than he needs us. >> i don't bring god into that picture. >> back here with me to discuss our former congresswoman. let's start with you. will this be effective? >> i think it reflects a real sentiment within the republican party that we do need donald trump as the presumptive nominee to channel much more of a ronald reagan approach and he could. he has some great ideas that republicans want to embrace. his tax plan makes sense. he has got the right sentiment about regulatory reform. a lot of republicans a agree with him on most of the issues he is talking about but he needs to present himself in a way that we will find inspiring instead of combative and it's really up to him. we have been saying that a lot but it's up to him to satisfy folks like this. >> with less than a month until

the convention in cleveland there's now three factions aiming to open up voting on the convention floor. do any of these have any hope of really being successful? >> it's extremely unlikely any of these will be successful. the fact that this is happening does reveal the extent of troubles trump is having. but the rnc itself. the rnc chief strategist last week put out a statement calling these antitrump efforts silly. he even said they were a media creation and there's no real leader or groups leading this effort. the problem here is that to go through the entire primary process where trump beat a field of about 16 candidates, to go from that to tell the voters thank you for playing our game we had fun but we're going to two a different way it would shatter their trust and wouldn't be much party left to save. having said that the antitrump

forces think he is a threat to the party. everyone is picking their poison here. there's no indication that any will succeed or move forward. it is a shot across trump's bow that he needs to do more. >> paul ryan is interesting to watch. he is struggling how to handle all of this. he has called his role at the convention a ceremonial one. but what is party leadership doing behind the scenes and what is it going to look like? >> knowing the speaker i have the most, the highest respect for paul ryan as a patriot and as a republican. and i think his goal, if i can be so presumptuous is to make sure that we're unified beline a candidate articulating themes we can all support. in the way he approached this he has been wise in measure.

he said wryes i will support tod tru -- donald trump an i also expect him to make us proud of what he is saying and proud of what he is promising and bring people together. we have a big coalition to win if we're going to win a general election. >> what about the trump campaign itself? are they communicating and trying to quash some of the efforts? >> they are. we saw that with the firing of trump's campaign manager. that came after the rnc and various other groups within the party that trump needs and needs to work with complained that he was very difficult to work with. so between that which was a clear signal to these various people that the trump campaign wants to work with them better and wants to be different. between that an the fact that he gave a teleprompter speech that was more measured and toned down and steps his campaign is taking

to do more traditional things like a rapid response operation responding to hillary clinton's speech which the campaign has never done before, they're aware of this and the person at the helm now is from the more traditional school of campaign politics so i think there will be attempts to make certain changes. having said that it's not clear that trump as a candidate is going to be a traditional candidate. he rose to power being a nontraditional candidate and all of those things in it were things that republican primary voters saw during the primary. it's not clear they're going to hurt him with the base that still supports him by about 85% or so. >> what about the vice presidential pick. how pivotal is that toward tamping down the fears? >> it would help donald trump if he shows seriousness in his vice presidential candidate. someone who really is experienced with dealing with policy and understands how to deal with a federal government that does need a certain amount of familiarity to work well.

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