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the clashes happened before the scheduled event, as you can see here. images of the groups of people running. the two groups are the traditionalist workers party, which is a known white supremacist group. then the anti-fascist group there to counter that rally. we understand from california highway patrol that they have cancelled the rally, but there are about -- at last count a group of 300 people still there on the capitol grounds with the capitol placed on lockdown just to ensure everybody's safety and that this violence doesn't escalate anymore. i want to bring in jolene kent. is there anything more that you're learning as far as the people who are still there and if right now everything is pretty calmed down? >> well, it looks like the rally is officially over. it has been cancelled by state police there. we also know that there have
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been at least six people injured, five hospitalized, according to our nbc affiliate kcra. this is a rally and counter protest that were planned and permitted. and the traditionalist workers party was planning to be there. the scuffle, as you can see on your screen right now, started to break out before the 12:00 noon start time. we also know the traditionalist workers party here is a white nationalist party formed in 2015. part of the rising wave of white supremacist parties that have come to a head over the past several months. this is just four months after four people were stabbed in an altercation between the kkk in anaheim. you may remember that, but as of now still people on the grounds at the sacramento state capitol while it is on lockdown. we also know from state police that this large fight started to break out after people were carrying sticks, according to
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the ap, rushing into the area. and they were all together when the violence started to brew. now we also know that according to state police telling the associated press there are no life-threatening injuries at this time, but we continue to monitor as the state capitol in sacramento is on lockdown. >> are you hearing anything about any arrests there? >> so far we know that fire and california highway patrol have not made any arrests. we do not know if the sacramento police department has made any arrests, but they have closed down traffic in the area and they have launched an investigation there on site. they're also going to be looking off site as well to see if there's any been actions taken that may have prompted this violence away from the state capitol. this is very much a developing situation, francis. >> all right. now i want to bring in jim cavanaugh. jim, as we're hearing these
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developments with the capitol on lockdown, it seems to me this situation of violence is over. but still with the number of people there around 3 0 0300, t police presence i imagine is still very heavy. >> exactly. they want to prevent any flare ups. you can see quite a heavy presence of sacramento pd on bicycles, on foot. the california highway patrol on horseback. they're pretty thick once the violence started. looked like they moved in pretty quick. there are people injured, but for the number of people there to have only five -- it looks like the police moved in pretty quick and dispersed people. it will be interesting to see if they did make some arrests. they have damped it down for the day at the moment. hopefully it's over. of course these kinds of groups and feelings and things fester. we've heard talk this has been going on and planned for weeks.
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counter-protests planned for weeks. maybe today we can have some peace. this kind of hateful rhetoric continues on. we call them the white collar clan. they don't dress up in the robes, but they say the same things. >> we know this was planned, jim, so how does law enforcement deal with this in grouping two groups together without any violence? we saw violence happen with at least six of these people stabbed, but how is that normally organized on a law enforcement side? >> well, it's very difficult because the ingress and egress. they would have to have met one group at another location and escorted them in to keep the two groups apart. it's very tough because we live in a democracy. you have a one-day event. so it takes a lot of police resources to do those kind of things. we're facing two conventions in a few weeks, but you're going to have a lot of heavy police
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presence where they can probably keep protesters and counter-protesters separated for the safety of all. but the only way to do it is to have the police to keep those groups separated because this violence flares up. the rhetoric spins up, the sticks, the knives, and lives can be lost quickly in a crowd like that. >> how does law enforcement get a handle on that as far as the ones who were there present? unlike gunshots where they can be heard. people running around. people yelling. the time it takes to realize there's an actual stabbing going on with people who have injuries and stab wounds. >> you hit it right on the head, francis, because it becomes a foot race for officers or a mounted officer or bicycle officer to try to get to that spot. one assailant with stab somebody in a fight before officers can get in between them. every assault is not totally
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preventable when crowds can mingle on the street. i'm sure they're watching the websites and talking to the protests leaders on both sides, but you can't control the emotions of all the people when these things run so strong. it's like electricity in the air at these events. when the clan would rallies, it just really charges the scene because people feel so strongly against that kind of hate. then the biggots feel strongly on their position and it becomes very, very electric in the area and it can turn into a mob and a assault quickly. >> jim, early on when we were hearing about this, there was the sacramento fire department who called this a mass casualty event and then police said the injuries were non-life threatening. >> when they call it mass
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casualty, they're doing that for hospital personnel, paramedics, responding police. in other words, when they call that out in the county, everybody sort of ramps up because you don't know how many victims are going to come. when you have a crowd like this, for instance, this could exponentially get worse, so hospitals have to gear up, paramedics, fire departments. they have to relocate their emergency equipment. that's why they call it a mass casualty event. unfortunately, we have seen some horrors lately in america like in orlando at the pulse nightclub. you have to spin up the assistance, fire, police, medical assistance fast. that's what they did. >> we're seeing some of the people who are hobbling around, obviously bleeding from their injuries here. very quickly, does this surprise you that we're not hearing about any arrests at this point given the fact that this situation is over? >> yeah, i'd be surprised if
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there's no arrests. i think there would be some arrests given the level of assault that's occurred here, but also detectives are going to want to go back and review any video of footage. there will probably be some arrests if they can identify assailants with knives and sticks. doesn't mean it is over if no arrests were made immediately, but you think there would be a few given the large number of officers there. these turn into a foot chase too and assailants can run away quickly. >> it would seem like a free for all. from a law enforcement standpoint, now as we're getting images of people being transported and that we're finding out more information about this, jim, stand by as we continue to follow this after six people have been stabbed at this rally in sacramento. keep it right here and we'll come back after the break. there are two billion people who don't have access to basic banking,
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it's breaking news we're following here on msnbc. you're having a look at some video from our affiliate kcra of the violent clashes between two groups outside the sacramento capitol building that resulted in about six people being stabbed and five of them being sent to the hospital. the two groups were a neo-nazi group and a counter-protest group. the traditionalist workers party versus the anti-fascist group here. california highway patrol tell us that the rally has since been cancelled. there are a few hundred people still outside the capitol building forcing a lockdown situation there just to make everybody stays safe. earlier i spoke with paul gorgi,
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whose video you're seeing right now. he witnessed the attack. >> i was coming from a breakfast with my friends. yeah, we saw the way -- it was really disturbing. it was like two groups of people just running at each other ready to almost like combat. it was really -- and we saw the aftermath as well, which was really disturbing. multiple people were stabbed and i saw a lot of were fighting with pieces of wood with each other. >> were there a lot of law enforcement around there at this time? was there any indication that the people around the two groups fighting realized what was going on or what did you see in that sense? >> well, there was a lot of law enforcement around. the group was initially right in front of the capitol on the lawn. somehow people had heard that a group of neo-nazis or white supremacists were walking from the south part of the capitol,
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they were walking up, and the group just ran towards their direction. and that's when the fighting began, the really bad fighting. >> you describe the clash here as some of the people with sticks. did you see any knives or any of the stabbing happen there? was there anything more you saw as far as the way that these two groups were going at each other? >> well, i saw the two groups going at each other. i didn't personally see any knives. i realized somebody had been stabbed when i got closer to this individual in black do clothing, and he looked down and he was just bleeding all over the ground. and he opened his jacket and realized he had a really bad wound to the chest and it was obvious it was a stab wound. >> was it almost immediate when you saw other law enforcement or other witnesses or bystanders rush to help at all? >> yeah, everybody was rushing
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to help. i saw multiple people run toward police screaming for help. they were moving from the front lawn toward the south to try to get a hold of the discussion. >> my discussion with paul gorgi, who was a witness there at this rally when the violence started between the two groups. i want to bring back jim cavanaugh. jim, as we're looking at this video, when you have multiple scenarios of different scuffles and different pockets of fighting and you have law enforcement as we're seeing here, mounted police, mounted officers, some on bicycle, some on foot, how does law enforcement determine which pocket of fighting they're going to address first? >> well, it's tough. you've got to read the crowd. that's what they're trying to do. but like we talked earlier, francis, it's a foot race sometimes. the crowd moves in a giant mob. it runs toward one group. as the witness described, that group runs toward each group, so they're both running toward each other.
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so officers have a real challenge. they can't just beat everybody in a foot race. every video image that we've seen and still image that i've seen there's sacramento police officers in pictures in riot gear. they were all over this thing. every picture of an injured person i saw there was an officer standing nearby. they quickly got to the injured, surrounded them. they were escorting them out in the video you just showed. they're on bicycles, horses foot. they're really trying to keep the peace here, but you just can't beat everyone in a foot race until they can get to someone else and stab them or assault them unless you can separate those groups early on. and given the large area they have, they might not have had a plan to do that. we don't know how big they estimated this crowd would be. yeah, it's unfortunate people are injured, but it looks like because of the massive police presence and because the way they operated they certainly
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kept any deaths or more serious injuries -- really in a crowd that large only five people, it seems it could have been a lot worse. >> all right. stand by, jim. i want to bring in brian levin, a professor at cal state. brian, you're familiar with these two groups. you were going to go and observe this rally. your takeaway given what we know so far that six people have been stabbed, five taken to the hospital, but so far no arrests with these two groups involved. >> yeah. it looks remarkably eerily like the clan rally that i was at in anaheim where a mob went after the remaining clansmen that couldn't escape. and i think the commonality for both of these is the events actually happened in the run up to the rally or the information disburseme disbursement. it wasn't actually during the rally, per se, but before they got a chance to scramble to
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where they were going. this guy heinback has been involved in white nationalism for some years. he started when he was in maryland. he's had different groups with the name traditionalist in it. this rally has been broadcast for sometime, and the reason i didn't go was because there was talk that it might have been cancelled because of all the chatter that was on the internet from the anti-fascists, who were quite vociferous that they were going to, quote, shut it down. i was speaking to l.a. county government earlier in the month and warned we're going to see something on june 26th. hopefully everyone will be prepared. i think the authorities did the best you can do. but when you have these amorphous crowds that are coming from different directions, it is really hard to control. and what you can have are
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multiple stabbings, multiple confrontations within a multi-block area. >> this is what we have seen with at least five people hospitalized. six people stabbed. we'll continue to follow this as the capitol building remains under lockdown here on msnbc. we return to our regular programming after this break. can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? well, there is biotene, specially formulated with moisturizers and lubricants... biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. how long have you had your car insurance? i ask because i had mine for over 20 years, before i switched and saved hundreds with the aarp auto insurance program from the hartford. i had done a lot of comparison shopping.
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need everyone to step in right now. >> the relationship between staff and offenders is probably what makes this place special. it is a maximum security setting. and a lot of them are here for a very, very long time. and it's a more mature level of relationship. we literally have inmates here that have been here for 30 years or more, the entire career of some of our staff. they came in here together. >> what's up, old guy? how you doing? >> as long standing as some of these relationships may be, there's always a steady flow of newcomers. among inmates and staff alike. michele ellis is a rookie officer in training.
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this is her second week working on prison grounds. >> my husband, you know, was kind of skeptical at first. i think he knows this is something that i really want to do. >> i've always had a passion for law enforcement. that's just something i love. my kids were kind of excited. they thought, okay, mommy is going to be a cop. you know, that's kind of cool to them, but i don't think they really understand everything that's going on. you just have to remember to stay firm, fair, and consistent. you can't really treat anybody any different. they're all human. they're all men. you have to remember that. >> hey, this is lieutenant meehan. can you send offender tye, t-y-e up to custody hall? i need to speak with him. >> it's been a bad week for ronnie tye. since being caught with a cell phone charger, prison officials have suspended his contact visits.
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and now they've just handed down a ruling on his request to be married at the prison. >> they denied getting married at this time due to conduct history. >> how can they deny me? >> it's just what they did. all i'm doing is just relaying the message. i don't know the reason. he wrote down here that safety and security of the facility. >> i got caught with a charger. >> from what i read, i was told that you have had a lot of conduct reports. what was it, close to 70 last year? >> hell no. i ain't had that many. >> no, i'm just asking. >> whoever told you that is a lying son of [ bleep ]. they better look at my packet again. i haven't had nothing but two or three write-ups since i've been here. if the chaplain approved it, who is he to deny it? >> it's the superintendent. >> yeah, but is that constitutional? >> he's administration. >> are you saying the constitution ain't no good in here? >> no.
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did i say anything like that? you're trying to get an argument out of me. >> i'm not trying to argue. >> it's just not going to work. >> i'm not trying to argue. >> i'm trying to be decent about this and come right to you. >> i'm ready to go back to my cell, man. >> all right. there's your stuff. he's trying to make things a constitutional issue. it's not a constitutional issue. it's an administrative issue. all he has to do is appeal it through the grievance process. and let a northern regional director make that decision. he's got a lot of conduct reports in the last five years. a lot of conduct reports. let me see. see -- one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight -- eight pages. and he says he only had one, two. yeah, okay. he did only have one, two, so far this year. >> nick knox's conduct is about to also come under fire. >> i have a hearing today on fleeing and resistance.
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right now i'm trying to figure out if i'm going to explode or not and how to present my case because i really didn't do this and the officers had let me out. i'm going to go in with a clear head and hopefully beat it. if i don't, i'm going to lose time and probably go to seg because i'm going to act a fool. >> knox? >> knox hopes to get off on a technicality. one that he's been told has worked for other inmates. >> you were wrote up on a class b, physically resisting. you pled not guilty. is that still your plea? >> still not guilty. >> what's your comment? >> look at the dates when the incident happened and when he wrote me up. it was like five or six days. >> they went past the 24 hours to get wrote up. >> so you're saying it's out of the time frame? >> yes. >> we'll check that and we'll let you know. he's saying he was wrote up on the seventh and the screener did not screen him in time for the
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hearing. they can write it on the seventh date. it don't matter. >> this lady, man. she really don't like finding people not guilty. she likes giving them a verbal reprimand. i didn't flee from the officer or nothing like that. >> we dropped this down to a class "c" and found you guilty of interfering with a staff member and took 30 days. do you want to sign that? >> [ bleep ]. how does everybody else get found not guilty but not me, ma'am? >> do you want to sign that? >> hell, no, i'm not going to sign that. that's crazy, man. i'm going to take some time. that's crazy, man. i was pretty pissed off. pretty mad, you know? >> in my opinion mr. knox will survive this, and we will probably see him again. >> they're lucky i didn't smack the [ bleep ] out of one of them.
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coming up -- even as ronnie tye appeals the ruling on his prison wedding, he faces a different kind of family problem. >> my dumb ass brother just got hit with a [ bleep ] seven inch shank. >> i have no clue how it got there. g... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all his belongings went up in flames. jack got full replacement and now has new pants he ordered from banana republic. visit geico.com and see how affordable renters insurance can be. fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums.
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i'm francis rivera. a protest in sacramento, california, turned violent with at least seven people transported to the hospital after multiple stabbings at the state capitol. the rally was being hosted by the traditionalist workers party, a group with neo-nazi ties. the capitol has been on lockdown as police investigate the accident and all further rallies have been cancelled. no arrests have been made. now back to "lockup."
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it's my vision of the free world. i lay here and dream about being out there. sometimes i sit and wonder of what people think when they drive by. do they think we're all up in here just mad men? or do they raeld ealize we, too humans? we have family and loved ones, friends. we have hopes and we have dreams. we have pains. i wonder if the world will ever even know that. >> i have worked here at isp for approximately three weeks now. it's going pretty good. it's definitely been an experience. i like it. it's different.
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>> learning to manage the 2,200 convicts behind the walls of indiana state prison is a gradual process. so far it has gone relatively well for rookie officer michele ellis. >> today i'm supposed to go over to a tower, since i have not been there yet. i'm currently in "i" cell house and back and forth at checkpoint four. trying to finish up my training. friday's my last day. that means i'm on my own as of sunday and i start my 12-hour shifts. >> new officers like ellis receive thorough training inside every one of the prison's housing units, security posts and other facilities before they are considered full-fledged correctional officers. >> i am a female in a male prison. so a lot of hooting and hollering. i get that all day long. all day long. you have to kind of learn to ignore that. good morning. >> how you doing today? >> you let it get to you, you might as well go ahead and quit.
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unless it's something really severe, you've got to just really let it go. >> ronnie tye might have to let go of something as well. the prison has denied his request to be married, and things are about to get even worse. >> this is approximately a seven-inch weapon that the offenders carry. what we call shanks. it's a homemade knife. it's made out of a steel rod you can find inside the cabinet. >> the shank was not found in tye's cell but in that of his half brother, william wilson. >> i just moved into the cell like a week ago. i have no clue how it got there. >> wilson is serving a life sentence for the murder of tye's other brother during a methamphetamine-induced hallucination. >> at the time i really thought he was my enemy. i don't know. i wished i wouldn't have killed him but -- >> now what we normally do is find out who the offenders are associated with. once we find out who they're associated with, we also shake
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down who they're associated with. >> that means even though the knife was found on his brother, ronnie tye will have his cell inspected for contraband as well. >> tye, shake down. >> what is this all about every [ bleep ] time? that's bull [ bleep ]. what did they get my brother with? >> he had a seven-inch shank. >> seven inch? >> seven-inch shank. >> i don't know what the [ bleep ] he's thinking. he's a grown man. i love him. he's my brother. i'd die with him if somebody was trying to hurt him. he got caught with it. he'll deal with it. there ain't too much he can do to him. he's already got a life sentence pretty much. >> doing the shakedown. one of the things you want to do is you want to check the obvious. you want to check the un-obvious. there have been times where we've found things hidden in the pipes. there's been times we found cell phones hidden in walkmans. >> don't rip my [ bleep ]. >> there's a lot of things that get hidden in the light fixture. if you don't pull it down, you won't find it.
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you can hide many things up there like homemade weapons, cell phones. >> already got that. >> this is another way of hiding cell phones. it's shaped out into a cell phone, so this book will be confiscated and put in evidence. >> evidence for what? >> i'm going to give it to i.a. they'll take it from there. >> i just got a suspended sentence. >> i.a. has to make the decision. >> what do you mean? what's to write up about the book? >> this is where you used to hide -- it's a hidden compartment in there. >> dude, i brought my phone and gave it to you. >> i.a. will get it and i.a. will decide what's going to happen with it. >> what kind of write-up is the book? >> it may not be a writeup. >> i gave my phone to you. >> that's why you might be all right. i.a. is just going to get it. it is just for evidence. that's where you used to hide the cell phone.
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>> i don't know why i got shipped out. probably because my dumb [ bleep ] brother just got hit with a seven-inch shank. that book that they just took, where i hid the cell phone. i gave that cell phone to them. if they write me up for that it's [ bleep ]. >> this book is taken because he once put a cell phone in it. he would walk around with the book all day. nobody would ever know. >> at indiana state inmates aren't the only ones shaken down. to ensure the facility's safety, correctional staff police themselves through surprise inspections for contraband or other policy violations. though other prisons conduct such inspections, isp was the first to allow our cameras to cover one. >> this morning we conducted a surprise staff shake down. and the reason we conduct a staff shake down is this is our first line of defense in preventing trafficking. what happens is a staff member comes in and goes through the regular shakedown up front. and then they proceed back here where they'll give their i.d., we'll sign them in. they sit in a chair. there the dog will shake them
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down. >> your bag underneath your seat. take your hat off. >> we like to test the dogs to make sure they're not just working for nothing. so i'll hide like a little marijuana on me. to make sure the dogs are actually working. as you saw there the dog sat, which means the doug is working. >> thank you. you're good now. >> after the dog shakes them down they proceed to a table where members of the squad will shake them down for contraband they're not allowed to bring into the facility. >> veteran staff members but some of the younger officers to the test. >> you going to make me take my hat off? this is what you missed. it's in my wife's pocket. that's what you're here for, to find it. >> while staff shakedowns are a routine procedure, today's will bring a startling revelation.
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>> this ain't where it's at. i'm ready to go home. i've steen a lot -- seen a lot of stupid stuff. it is what you make it. you do dumb [ bleep ], you get what you got coming. >> maintaining order among maximum security inmates is a source of pride for correctional staff at indiana state prison. in order to maintain the highest level of security, the staff must from time to time police
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themselves. >> sit over there. >> periodically we do a full staff shakedown of all the staff coming into the facility off and on all day. friday we decided to do one. we had a couple incidents occur with the shakedown. >> prison surveillance cameras capture an officer in the first phase of the inspection, facing the scrutiny of a drug-sniffing dog. >> when the dog comes by, he gets up to the side and he just locks up and freezes. he doesn't want to move. he's indicating pretty strongly on her. she has something to tell us. the staff member will raise her arm to indicate the dog hit on that person there. we got her under watch. the custody supervisor, the shift supervisor, whoever is available at that time will immediately converge on that officer. >> the marked officer is a young rookie, michele ellis. >> the canine indicated she may have smoked marijuana within the past hour, hour and a half, or
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maybe the evening before. she was nervous when she came up to talk to us. basically she said i wouldn't want to waste your time or my time right now. i won't pass a drug test. that's what she told us. and then she said at this time i'd like to go ahead and resign my position. so we took her resignation and escorted her off the facility grounds. we have a zero intolerance for being intoxicated on the job or being under the influence of any kind of narcotic or drug. she knew that when she got hired in. she knew she wasn't supposed to be doing that. when you are dirty staff around, as we call it, or staff breaking the rules like that, it affects everybody on the job. >> following her resignation, officer ellis declined our request for an interview. michael hollon will need to find another source of income as well. he has just met with the prison's disciplinary hearing board for allegedly having conned an elderly man out of thousands of dollars. >> what's going on?
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>> found me guilty of fraud. telling somebody i was going to come home if they sent money. they sent money and i didn't come home. i feel really bad about not being in contact with my friend. he meant so much to me. and helped me to make it through the next day, just knowing somebody out there cared about me. now i have nobody. all my family has passed away. now i'm alone in the world. if they were to release me tomorrow, i wouldn't have nowhere to go. >> in addition to giving hollon one year in the highly restrictive detention unit, prison officials would like to pursue additional criminal charges. but they might not get the help they need from the district attorney's office. >> at this point i'm going to call the daughter back. >> hello. >> this is doug ayers. i was calling you to bring you up to speed on the status of the investigation involving your
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father at this point. basically where we're at with it, internally i have charged offender hollon with a class "a" conduct report for violation of state, federal, local law. unfortunately with the prosecutor i think we're going to encounter some snags on being able to prosecute hollon. obviously your father's age, and his health and as far as having to travel to indiana -- >> yes. he's 84 and i don't want him leaving us with this as the last thing in his life that he remembers. >> the other fact is that hollon is doing a life sentence. and so it's really from the prosecutor's point of view is what are we going to be able to gain by being able to prosecute him. >> yes. >> we're not going to be able to recover the money. most of that has probably been spent. i still have a meeting scheduled with the prosecutor, hopefully one day next week and see if we can do something else. maybe not be able to prosecute
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him on a felony but some lesser charge. >> okay. >> as soon as i talk to the prosecutor, i'll be back in touch with you again to let you know what his decision is, all right? >> okay. thank you very much. >> ronnie tye is dealing with a very different sort of legal matter. he has appealed the administration's denial of his prison wedding. and he's about to get the results from the assistant superintendent, dan mcbride. >> i saw your request for marriage application earlier this week. and i saw where it had been denied. there are some reasons a marriage can be denied. and one of them is the safety and security of the facility or the department or the individuals involved. what was the reason for them to use safety and security of the facility? >> there was concern because you recently were found in possession of a cell phone. >> actually, i wasn't found in possession of a cell phone. i was found in possession of a cell phone charger.
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and i gave the cell phone to them after they had shook me down. and didn't find the cell phone. i brought the cell phone to them. >> but you were found guilty of possession of a cell phone. >> i pleaded guilty. >> first of all, you understand that if this marriage is approved, it will be a non-contact marriage? >> yes. >> and that you and/or your intended spouse will have to bare all costs associated with the marriage. what i will do is i will approve your request to be married. and your intended spouse will be informed by the marriage coordinator at the facility, who is chaplain rogers. >> i'm really excited about getting married and all that. it's going to happen on the 23rd. like i said, she's a good girl. she's solid. she don't let things get in her way.
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she's there when you need her. through the good and through the bad. and, you know, i'm really excited about it. i'm ready. if you're watching this, i love you, baby. >> with the wedding one month away, the news is bittersweet for ronnie's fiancee, jodie but it and her visits, for the time being, are strictly on a noncontact basis. >> that means we can't touch each other. we're behind glass. i don't really want to talk about it, really. just hold on. >> so are we getting married? >> we'll work it out. >> you know what, though, we're on a non-contact wedding. that means we're going to get married like this, on the phone, right? >> i guess. >> how am i supposed to give you a ring? how you going to give me a ring? >> i have no clue. >> there's no kissing the bride?
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>> i don't know. might be through glass. don't cry. everything is going to be all right. why you crying? >> because this is driving me crazy. >> smile. i don't like to see you cry. you're stressing for no reason. ten months, it will be all over with. it's going to be okay. you have to be positive sometimes. coming up -- even a non-contact wedding comes with plenty of bridal jitters. >> i'm freaking out! little misn a tuffet eating her curds and whey.
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>> i'm on non-contact. so i'm getting ready to have a non-contact wedding. if i wouldn't have got hit for the phone i would have a contact wedding. you know, that's the consequences i've got to pay. regardless i'm getting married to jodie. that's how it is. >> you excited? >> yeah. >> how do you think she's doing? do you think she's nervous? >> i'm freaking out. i'm sitting on the toilet at indiana state prison, fully clothed, of course, but i'm just dripping. >> tell us about your bachelor party. >> wasn't too much of a bachelor party. >> do i look all right? >> you look great. >> does this shirt make me look like old or anything?
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>> how you feeling right now? >> pretty good. >> so proud of him. >> i love this guy. i'm really excited. my hair look okay? i'm freaking out! doesn't matter where you get married. you sure i look okay? the honeymoon is going to be awesome, when he gets home. i'm freaking out. whoo! >> you hear people say well, it's just a piece of paper. no, it's more than that. it's a covenant. one that you enter in with god as witness. how long have you known rodney? >> ronnie? >> ronnie. >> i've known him for many years. a long time. >> would you say you really love this guy?
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>> yes, yes i do. he's awesome. he is a really good guy. i'm aware of all the ups and downs, and i'm prepared to help him adapt back to society. i realize it's going to be some trouble for him. but for the record i took a psychology class. i can handle it. >> you can? >> with awesome instructors, yeah. i think i can handle it. >> the process as far as the wedding, when you're placed in the non-contact booth, you will need to put two phones, one in each hand, so you will be able to hear your intended spouse, as well as the minister, as they're going through the wedding vows, okay? >> yep. >> also you've requested to have your brother attend the wedding ceremony. that will not be permitted because he is in idu, or the detention area. okay? >> all right. i'm ready. let's do it. >> where do i go?
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how you doing? >> all right. you ready? >> yeah, are you ready? >> let's do it. >> you nervous? this is the pastor. >> good to meet you, ronnie. >> you, too. >> you ready for the big day? >> let's do it. >> we are gathered together here in the presence of god to join together this man and this woman in holy matrimony. ronnie, will you have this woman as your wedded wife to live together after the holiest day of matrimony. will you love her, cherish her, honor her, and protect her in sickness and health so long as you both shall live? >> yes. >> and jodie, will you have this man to thy wedded husband, to live together, will you love him, honor him, cherish and comfort him in sickness and in
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health and forsaking all others, for long as you both shall live? >> yes. >> do you have rings you wish to exchange? >> yes. >> somebody has to walk it over there. get proof of that. get that on camera. >> do you have your ring on? >> yes, i do. >> in the ordnance of the laws of god and the state of indiana, i pronounce them husband and wife. okay. you two can kiss the glass. that's as best you can do. >> nah, they don't wash that around here. >> bye-bye. >> we're done. we're married. i love you so much
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