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candidate. she is seizing control of the narrative by just how effective she is out on the campaign trail with hillary. >> they were electrifying together on the trail. she fills in a few blanks for hillary clinton. but also something that's been a problem for a lot of really good candidates on the republican side. she can generate a crowd. >> she can generate a crowd and she knows how to go after donald trump. >> that does it for us. stephanie rule picks up the coverage of yesterday's terror attack right now. ♪ good morning. this morning breaking news, terror in istanbul. the official count, 41 people dead. more than 200 are injured. >> people were shooting on one side and we ail ran the othll r way. >> graphic video appears to show
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the moment one of the gunmen is shot and then detonated his suicide bomb. >> there was more shooting. >> authorities say signs point to isis. >> major airports in the u.s. are on high alert bracing for the busy holiday weekend. and trump is now weighing in. >> you have to fight fire with fire. >> hterror once again moves to the forefront of the race for president. >> we better get smart and we better get tough or we're not going to have much of a country left, okay? >> we've got all the angles covered here this morning from turkey the u.s. airports and of course the campaign trail. i want to begin with nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. what do we know right now?
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>> reporter: well, let me describe the scene. i am inside the terminal and there is a -- i guess you could call it a tremendous symbol of resilience but also one that the quite unusual. the airport has reopened. it is very crowded. there are a lot of passengers here, families, even as the reconstruction work is going on. the ceiling collapsed. it's surrounded by a few makeshift barriers, some advertising. workmen are behind it doing a little bit of welding trying to put things together. and then right across from them there is a cafe. people are buying sandwiches. people are changing their flights, going to the booking counters. so even as some of these walls are pockmarked with bullets, the plate glass is crashed and there are attendants doing their business, cleaning up amid all of this destruction.
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i'm looking right now at a travel point concierge. he's dusting off his counter. behind him is a wall pockmarked with bullet holes. a very unusual scene to have an airport opening, functioning amid the aftermath of a terrorist attack. >> while it seems that it's business as usual and there's no official statement, are signs pointing to this being isis? >> reporter: yes. the prime minister said that this morning. counter terrorism officials have told us tt it appears to be the work of isis. isis in the past has not always claimed its attacks in turkey. isis has a sensitive relationship with turkey because many of its members have family here. they use this as a base. sometimes they don't want to publicize attacks they have done in turkey. this might change that calculation. we will see.
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but all indications are that it is isis. we may or may not get an official claim of responsibility based on previous attacks in this country. the faa says flights from resumed from the u.s. to turkey as that istanbul attack races conce raises concerns about safety in america. tom kos tecostello, does it see security has stepped new a big way? >> reporter: no. honestly it's business as usual across the country. you have a handful of airports that have put their tactical units out as a show of strength and deterrence. but they're a ee're often out, especially in miami and new
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york. the tsa doesn't see any threats to u.s. airports. we're expecting 43 million people to travel over the next week or so and the vast majority of them will be driving. turkish airlines are flying back to turkey. all flights have resumed today. people who may have been affected by the blast or don't want to travel, they can return their tickets and get a refund or rebook without any penalties whatsoever. really the concern here, the talk at airports, is the same conversation we had post brussels. that is exactly where is security perimeter. does the security really begin at a tsa checkpoint or should it been maybe out at the curb side or out in a parking lot. we've seen other airports try to deal with that, maybe move the
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perimeter further back. but you're still going to create a target no matter where you start screening people, no matter where large numbers of people gather. in turkey, it would appear that these blasts occurred when the police started intercepting these suspects before they ever made it to security. this is all part of the broader conversation about what really is a good security perimeter and where the different layers of security come into play. as it relates to the united states' screening situation as we head into the 4th of july weekend, really no change in the posture to speak of. >> i want to bring in the former head of the fbi/nypd joint terrorism task force. we don't know officially if this is isis, but if it is, why haven't they claimed credit yet? >> it's a very complicated relationship between isis and
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turkey. you know, while it does look like isis, we can look back at what happened in belgium. it bears kind of similarities. as richard pointed out a couple of weeks ago with some great reporting about potentially isis fighters being dispatched to turkey to launch attacks during ramadan. and we see a lot of correlation to what happened yesterday and that reporting. >> one key similarity with turkey and belgium, it happened in an airport. are airports the new target, the prime location for these types of attacks? >> they definitely present a great opportunity. you have massive amounts of people gathering to get into a confined space. you have a security perimeter, but no matter what you can keep moving that perimeter farther and farther out, but at some point there's going to be a
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choke point. it's not just killing an enormous number of people. it's about economic damage. it's about the psychological effect. attacks on an airport do all of that. you look at all the people who have potentially cancelled their travel plans to turkey for vacation and the economic impacts of this attack. there's a lot of reasons why airports present themselves as a good opportunity. >> is security not the answer in terms of protecting ourselves? we're already talking u.s. airports need heightened security. if they want to attack, are they going to attack no matter what you do? >> security has a lot of dimensions. you've got the traditional physical security, the guards, gates and guns. you've got intelligence. the best way to stop an attack is early in the planning stage which takes good intelligence, which takes cooperation from the community. there's a lot of levels and a lot of people that have a dog in the fight really that need to be part of the whole security
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apparatus, which is families and friends and clergy and the police and intelligence officials. >> these days guards, gates and guns certainly are not enough. thank you so much. donald trump, no surprise, weighing in on the terror attack saying we've got to fight fire with fire. what he's saying about waterboarding. that's next. mother in-w wi a keen sense of smell... gladag, full of trash. what happens next? nothing. only glad has febreze to neutralize odors for 5 days.
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responded to the terror attack in istanbul quite differently. donald trump talking about fighting fire with fire, but hillary clinton had a very different response. peter, i want to start with you. donald trump's official statement following his speech yesterday, measured, presidential. as soon as dt got the mike, it was the donald we know, fire with fire, mentioning water boarding, saying the word stupid. what is his message here? >> obviously he's trying to present that more disciplined message as they did in that rapid response. it was striking how quick they came out with a statement referring to our enemies as brutal and ruthless, saying he would do everything in his power to provide the security needed to help keep america safe. he got on that stage. he made that comment about fighting fire with fire. as for water boarding, he said
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that isn't even tough enough. he's trying to cast himself as the strong man. >> kristen, this is what's interesting to me. donald trump immediately came out with a statement and then on the mike ripping. hillary clinton at her town hall meeting didn't even mention it. >> she said that the attacks strengthens our resolve to defeat the forces of terrorism around the world and it reminds us that the united states cannot retreat. we must deepen our cooperation with our partners and allies to take on this threat. she's trying to make the argument that donald trump is volatile and that she is the leader who's going to lead with a steady hand. this fits into her broader argument for why she has the qualifications to be president. >> we've got mixed polls. what do the voters think? there's an nbc poll out saying
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that voters trust trump more. then there's an abc poll out that says hillary is the one who doing so well. what's the right answer? >> i think that's going to be a challenge for secretary clinton. she has to walk a very fine line. when you look at that poll, more people saying they trust donald trump to fight terrorism. she's got to show she's strong in these situations as well. president obama is going to be on the campaign trail with her very soon. he's going to start to back her up and make the case, she was my secretary of state. she has the qualifications and experience. >> peter, help us understand. i guess i don't have my head around the fact that donald trump is doing so well and others say he is volatile. >> the bottom line you saw those polls are conflict right now.
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the simple thought is that both candidates think their responses on this issue of terrorism benefits them greatly. hillary clinton presenting herself as the steady hand in this situation. donald trump trying to say he is the strong man. that he is the one that americans can rely onto suggest that the obama/clinton foreign policy has failed. that's why he initially laid out the idea after san bernardino of this muslim ban. even as he sort of nuances his language, he is still focused on disallowing people coming in from particular terrorist states. he wants to present himself as the one who's actually going to find a solution given the fact that in his argument what we're doing right now is not working. >> this is not an example where we could say the numbers don't lie or you do the math because none of these numbers seem to pair off. the terror attacks are
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you don't have to worry about the science. you can just put it in your pie hole. new details emerge right now. following the deadly attack at the istanbul airport, that attack occurring, pay attention here, before the security checkpoint at a security perimeter that we don't even have here in the united states. walk me through that. here we are in the istanbul airport. where exactly did this happen? >> this is the international terminal. the first bomb went off here in the parking lot, which drew security away from the building. the second bomb went off here at the entrance. it seems like the third bomber then went through a hole in the wall. as you mentioned before, the security check point, this is what the first security checkpoint looks like when you walk into the airport in the
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istanbul. you put your bags on here. it's really an eye check, get a look at the passenger, get a look at the bag. ten years ago this was a very stringent control. they loosened it and now it seep seems as though this is where they're checking bags. we don't have this in the u.s. this may have saved lives. >> may have saved lives. well, we've got to break into this a little further. joining me now is the former commanding officer at new york's jfk and la guardia airports k kenneth honig. >> since the 1970s when checkpoints first began, we concentrated on protecting the aircraft from people getting on.
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what's now happening as we saw this belgium, even los angeles back in 2002, the attacks are happening before the screening point passenge points. one of the things that happens in the united states at a lot of airports when the security threat is heightened is they'll set up prierimeters. the tsa, the issue is even if they had those kind of screening points at the entrances, the tsa people aren't armed. the expense, you've got to consider that, the expense of having armed law enforcement officers everywhere is prohibitive. but one of the things you can do
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is have police officers in areas on an irregular basis so that no one knows where they are. one of the things terrorist teams will do is they will surveil an area, a target before arriving. >> this is obviously a horrible attack we saw in brussels. but you've got more than 100,000 flights in the air a day. 1 million people on airplanes. is this really going to affect safety? should people be concerned about packing up and going on vacation this summer? >> people should not be concerned because the chances of it happening to them individually is not very high. however, people should take steps to help make the airports more secure. one of the things you've seen, be it terrorist attacks, be it the active shooters, all of these people when they do the investigations afterwards they've made posting on their facebook pages, said things in
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blogs, they've talked to people, they've made comments in public and nobody said anything until afterwards. if someone knew things were going to happen, if somebody heard something, they have to say something. well, the harrowing tale inside that instance bull airpo -- istanbul airport, we'll have that for you.
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we are following the breaking news out of turkey. officials are saying 41 people dead and i'm joining by lawrence cameron on the phone who was in the istanbul airport when the chaos erupted. tell us what happened. >> i just got off the plane and i didn't actually hear the explosions so i guess it must have happened just before i -- you know, just as we touched down. i stepped out up the runway t t that links the plane to the terminal and i could hear screams. >> you could hear screams? and we're looking at the pictures you actually took in
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the airport, people running clearly in fear. did you know at that point it was a terror attack? what did you think it was? >> you know, the first thing that went through my mind was someone's left a bag by a coffee shop and everyone's just got scared. you hear these announcements all the time at airports, you know. to be honest, the first thing that went through my head was that. then i saw police with weapons out and an actual real look of fear and panic in people's faces. that's when i thought this isn't a drill. >> what did you do next? at that point you were in the airport. people were running outside. how long did it take you to get to safety? where did you go? >> everyone was sort of running back towards the planes. and actually there was an old chap in a wheelchair and me and another man helped him out because he was obviously struggling to keep up with everyone. then i turned around -- i had a camera on me.
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i went back towards the passport terminal and started taking pictures of people after about ten or 15 minutes it all sort of died down. the police came out and reopened the passport gates about 20 minutes after that. >> here you are not 24 hours later. you're safe. you're in istanbul. what are your plans? >> you wouldn't have thought anything had happened save for a lot of news cameras. they swept up the broken glass, the tiles. they cordenedcordoned off the a where the bombs hit. i want to take you now to
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nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. i understand you just got a walk through of the airport terminal. what was it like? >> reporter: we just came from the terminal and the airport is actually very crowded. there are people checking in for flights. there are a lot of people getting information, changing their hotel bookings. even as the cleanup is underway. some of the counters that are riddled with bullet holes are operational with salesclerks changing tickets, checking people in. this is a symbol in many ways of resilien resilience, but it is an odd --. very different scene than what we had in brussels where the airport was closed for a week.
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here the airport was closed for hours. >> we're looking at that fresh video shot right now. is there added security? >> reporter: there is a fairly chaotic scene. there are many police officers inside, some in uniform, some out of uniform. but there is not a controlled situation. people are coming and going. some of the old security apparatus, the machines don't seem to be work right now. i was quite surprised that there was such a chaotic or unsettled situation where the cleanup is underway, an investigation is underway and a functioning airport is also still in use. i would say yes there's extra security personnel around. but how effective it is i think is in doubt. >> is the area where the bombs
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went off open? is the entire airport functional? >> reporter: there have been cancelled flights. some passengers are being told not to come through here. it is not business as usual, but the actual airport even the places where the bombs went off is still functioning. they have set up barricades to allow the construction workers to do their work, but there are gaps in the barricade. people are taking pictures. they are looking through the gaps in these barriers. and effectively they are wheeling their luggage around the debris, making their way to check in or to change their travel plans. >> a true symbol of resilience. thank you. i'm joined now by msnbc contribute steve clemons. joining us from aspen, colorado. i want to talk isis. steve, we don't have any
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official statement yet that it was isis behind this attack. but if it was, why? why do we continue to see airports as the new target? >> i think isis is trying to send sho send messages to governmentscla war with them and that now includes turkey clearly. but there are others that are engaged in the anti-isis fight and have been targeted by isis. so they're trying to sort of strike at the economic wherewithal of these countries and shocking tourism is one strategy there. the turks are in that airport again. people are moving in and out of it. so at least at this first stage,
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those that perpetrated this horrific violence yesterday have failed in at least one goal, which is to make people afraid. >> if they didn't make people afraid, if they failed at that goal, could that be one of the contributing factors why you haven't seen isis claim victory here? >> we don't know. i mean, i agree with almost every analyst you've had on that this attack has all the markings of an isis attack. and intelligence officials pretty much need to presume that's the case. as they do the forensics on who these people were, who ordered them to do this, there are some intelligence officials who allegedly say there are increasing signs of dark web chatter that we allegedly can't see because of heavy encryption. but we just don't know why -- isis is a very opportunistic organization. after omar mateen killed a great number of people in orlando,
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they didn't take credit for that until later as well. so they're manipulating the scene and we don't know what the reasons are they may not have come forward yet. if it turns out that they didn't in fact call this shot on the istanbul airport, that's going to be truly surprising. that means we all need to go back and take a look at our play books. >> help us understand, assuming this is isis, what position are they in? this could be a new strategy, an economic and cultural target going for airports. yesterday secretary of state john kerry said isis is despera desperate, they're on the run. >> i think john kerry is right. i think it's dangerous to think about that in the sense it's all
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a matter of territory. there's still quite a bit of support throughout the arab world for what isis represents. if it is in fact moved out of iraq, it still has strongholds in syria. if it's moved out of syria, we're seen isis pop up in libya and north africa. we need to not become overwhelmed wioverwhelm ed in this. as long as a significant number of sunnis feel paranoid, isis in very forms is going to continue to get support and continue to inspire both lone wolf attacks ands a activate these cells that are embedded in various countries or have invaded various countries like may have just happened in turkey. >> the world once again trying
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to make sense of this terror attack. we want to find out why specifically istanbul. why turkey. we're going to delve into the underlying factors behind the latest attack, next. flexible... .and it has a chewy, porous texture, full of little tiny air pockets that gives dogs' teeth a clean scrub all the way down to the gum line. (vo) introducing purina dentalife. for life.
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. we're learning new details right now about the attack on the airport in istanbul, turkey, yesterday. the governor of istanbul says 41 people are dead and 130 remain in the hospital after last night's attack. one key question this morning, why turkey? i didn't know this. turkey, this is the eighth attack we've seen in 2016 in turkey. why? >> i mean, turkey is in the epicenter of a very dangerous region, a very conflicted region. if you take a look at this map, it kind of lays everything out for you. here's turkey right here.
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it's a gateway to europe. turkey borders syria and iraq, two countries that are the base of isis. for many years turkey was allowing foreign fighters to come in to fight the assad regime. they've put isis in their sights. obviously isis has now set its sights back on turkey. >> is it a political or geographic issue that puts them in the epicenter? >> turkey in itself has its own internal problems. the eastern part of turkey are predominantly kurdish nationals. they've been fighting the central government for decades, wanting to break off from the rest of turkey. the kurds have carried out some deadly attacks over the past two
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years, numerous attacks. >> when you talk about these internal problems, those of us hearsre say it's isis. there's this pkk contingent that it could be. what is that? >> it's the kurdistan worker's party. they are obviously kurdish but predominantly mostly in turkey. they have offshoots in iraq and syria. they want to break away from turkey and create an independent state. for decades they've been fighting the central government in turkey. they've been using deadly attacks. the southeastern part of turkey has been considered a war zone by some because it's been dw devastating there. one attack killed about 100 people
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people. the initial hallmarks of this attack suggest it was more isis than the pkk. the pkk has been much more specific in going after turkish only targets. >> help me understand. as it relates to turkey going after isis, improving their relations with the west in the last year and a half, you have the west over here. what's turkey's relation with russia, georgia, armenia? >> turkey has had cold relations with russia because russia is supporting the assad regime in syria and turkey has been trying to topple the assad regime. there was an incident last year where turkey shot down a russian fighter jet. however, turkey recently apologized to russia for that and there was a thawing of relations that made some believe that turkey and russia were going to work together on issues of counter terrorism in the region. turkey has had strained relations with israel. they just normalized them.
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in armenia there is this fallout over the term genocide. turkey doesn't consider it a genocide. turkey has had some problematic issues along its borders and beyond. >> thank you. when we return, president obama is on his way to canada. we're going to get the white house reaction to the istanbul attack, next. i asked aut tresi. ♪ tresiba®eady ♪ tresiba® ia once-daily, long-acting insulin that lasts even longer than 24 hours. i want to trim my a1c. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® provides powerful a1c reduction. works like your body's insin. when my schedule changes... i want sething that delivers.
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conversation? >> yes, we do. we spoke to president this morning and he expressed his condolences and condemned the attacks in very strong terms and offered turkish government and people any support the united states could offer and said that the united states will continue to share whatever information they can develop about this attack with turkey. turkey, of course, is arguably america's strongest and most important ally in this fight against isis. it is a muslim country, the only muslim country that is a member of nato. it has the long border with syria which is a big concern to the united states. the relationship between turkey and america has been complicated to say the least because there are varying levels of commitment to the fight against isis. turkey has other objectives that don't jive with what the united states wants to do. >> seeing how complicated the relationship has been in the
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past does this make it more complicated or unify it in. >> i think it serves to unify the coalition and unify the u.s. and turkey. this is on the first attack that has happened there. president obama and others have made the point that these attacks are killing muslim citizens, places like turkey and that is the front line in the war against isis. the united states has been pushing turkey aggressively to try to seal the border with syria. it is a route for fighters to go in and out of europe. it is a route for smuggling of oil and other commodities that isis sells to fund its operations and to fund its so-called caliphate. a very important relationship that is complicated. the president has been in frequent conversations and contact with turkey's leader and again this morning they spoke and i'm sure will continue to speak throughout the day as they
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try to determine what happened. we have learned from listening to a briefing that the united states is still trying to determine exactly what happened. they did not say that this is an isis attack. of course, it clearly seems to be that. it is certainly terrorism. the president is continuing to be in contact. we may hear more from him today. this is a summit meeting with leaders. most discussions are about issues that pertain to these three countries. security one of them. other issues like climate change, cooperation on energy agreements and sharing. clearly because of what has happened in istanbul that will dominate their talks. >> i have a feeling that will become the main focus. the white house has not put out a statement confirming that it is isis, correct? >> that is correct. one thing about claims of responsibility, a number of analysts have pointed out that in these situations where isis
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has carried out attacks in turkey unparticular they have not always quickly claimed responsibility for what you might think of as political reasons. it is perhaps not in their interest to highlight the fact that they carried out an attack in a muslim country. every indication points in that direction and they have claimed responsibility for some attacks there. that may be one variable that complicates. clearly that's the direction this is pointing in. >> nbc's ron allen at the white house. we are learning about a situation at new york city's jfk airport. there seems to be somewhat of an evacuation. msnbc's calperry is back. >> police and specifically a k-9 unit came across a suspicious package near nurmtle 5. this is the jet blue terminal. we are now back in that period
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of abundance of caution. we are back in the stage that we were shortly after 9/11 where every package is looked at very carefully and passengers have to be on the lookout. everybody was taken out of the terminal. evacuation lasted 20, maybe 30 minutes. >> i want you to give that to us again and back it up. not to say this is just a move because people are jittery but this is precautionary. there has been no specific target. we don't know exactly what it is. it has been a partial evacuation. >> this is terminal five. a package found by a k-9 unit that did not look right. police investigated it and wanted to get everybody out of the terminal. they just wanted everyone out of the terminal. they are being brought back in right now. the all clear has been given. >> these are live shots at jfk terminal five. so we have those people removed
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from the airport. did we see flights cancelled or delayed? >> no flights cancelled. the road was the first thing they shut down, the first thing closed down by authorities and police. you see the suvs. we have seen an increase of police activity today at jfk to begin with. this was at terminal five. one unit found something they didn't like. there was a smell to that. i would imagine and you looking at content, i would imagine that flights will be delayed and this will have an effect when you see the people. they have to be rescreened. the people taken out of their airport have to go back through security. >> i know we are learning this real time. walk me through where that duncdon
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dunkin donuts. >> just inside that initial entry point where again there is no security check point. this was near the check in desk, near the kiosks. the bag was found by k-9 unit. they didn't like the way it looked. now they are having the process of getting everybody back in. >> we don't have an outer perimeter lieks istanbul. >> these are roving units that you see at the airport all the time where the dog has a sign that says dog touch the dog. >> thank you. that will wrap us up for this hour. i'll see you tomorrow. coming up right now, more on this istanbul news with thomas roberts. good morning. i'm thomas roberts. we have breaking news from the terrorist strike in turkey.
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casualties from the attack on ataturk airport are rising. at least 41 people are confirmed among the dead and more than 200 injured in what intelligence officials say was done by a trio of coordinated suicide bombers. this attack has hallmarks of isis but so far no official claim for responsibility. this airport if it was the scene of chaos and carnage about 14 hours ago is now reopened to passengers and flights from the u.s. to istanbul are back up and running this morning. president obama is due to land in canada any moment. we just learned he spoke to the turkish president by phone. president obama will be attending a north american leaders summit hosted by canadian prime minister justin trudeau. we expect president obama to
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