>> you know it was a rough primary and they got beat up but they went after me, too. and we beat them up and now they don't want to endorse and in some way almost like i'm running against two parties. good morning, it is friday, july 1st. >> it is already july, everybody. >> it is already july. >> breaking news. breaking political news in just a second. >> breaking news is donny is trying to look cool as a cucumber. >> i mean more like a chilled ice. >> that's a nice tie. >> i bought it pre-brexit. >> he goes to london to buy his

ties. >> donny deutsch goes to nantucket. >> donny is tonight's guest host on "all due respect." >> the rumors about willie and i, not true. not true. you can read. >> how you doing, willie? >> i'm great. >> what's coming up this weekend on "sunday today"? >> how's it working for you? >> it's going great. >> will there be five tips for summer entertaining? >> not much of that. >> got a profile of ellie kemper. like ellie kemper? >> this just now broke? this is actually because a lot of people will say something is breaking news and they'll put that banner down there and it will be like the sun came up yesterday, developing. this is actually breaking news

right here. see that right there. this just "new york times" just broke this, willie. this is not just the sun came up. this is real breaking news. >> at this hour. >> "new york times" is reporting that loretta lynch plans to announce she will accept whatever recommendation and fbi director james break hillary clinton private e-mail server. the paper says her decision removes the possibility that a political appointee will overrule investigators in the case. this development comes after criticism around the attorney general's meeting with former president bill clinton onboard her plane at a phoenix airport earlier this week, raising questions about what the two may have discussed after months of the justice department investigating use of a private server while secretary of state. here's the attorney general defending her 30-minute

conversation with the former president. >> our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. it was primarily social and about his travels and he mentioned the golf in phoenix and mentioned travels to west virginia. we talked about former attorney general janet reno, who we both know. no discussion of any matter pending before the department or any matter pending before any other body. no discussion of again benghazi. >> so, anyway, mark halperin, what is interesting about this, not only did republicans come out and criticize her, but democrats did. >> rolling their eyes. >> she's not saying she's recusing herself, but i'll follow the prosecutors. >> by the way, david axelrod tweeting. i take loretta lynch and bill

clinton at their word. but foolish. >> foolish. but i got to say this doesn't really fix the problem for people who are suspicious of the meeting because she's still the head of the justice department. she probably should have taken the step before. the other thing is she didn't admit it was a mistake. the white house didn't admit it was a mistake. this is an implicit emission it was an error. >> i'll tell you this. this is willie geist, unless loretta lynch knows something, this is bad news for the clintons because rudy giuliani worked with, is this guy a straight shooter? oh, these he's a straight shooter. whether the justice department will go after her if she has broke on the law. this guy is a straight shooter. i guarantee you, the clintons did not want to have that political protection removed

from them and jim cumy. >> they would have had a huge problem. >> guess what, she wouldn't have been indicted. willie? >> attorney general lynch did the right thing yesterday. it took her a little while to get there. she didn't to the right thing by taking the meeting with president clinton. mark and i were talking 30 minutes in the plane for a long time. a long time to talk about golf. it wasn't a five-minute run in. >> you don't have to talk about it to talk about it. we know how these things go. donald trump made a new hampshire -- >> let donny jump in here really quickly because i know going back to when rfk ran the justice department. if anybody has questions about the justice department, you go to donny. >> pete williams and i were talking about -- >> you were shaking your head like every democrat i talked to yesterday going, what are you doing? >> hey, the secret password is

this. what are you doing? >> just insanity. look, this is not going to be a deciding factor in this election unless she's indicted but one more thing where people are going, do you guys just play above everybody else? we fill up space and we talk about this. at the end of the day people care about their pocketbooks. >> and it feeds into an existing narrative about the clintons. that the clintons don't need right now. just like donald trump yesterday, mika, which is our next story. acted in a way that fed into an existing narrative that scares the hell out of republicans and swing voters alike. >> we'll have more on this loretta lynch story. the president ignored it. dawned trump talked about it but we'll break back into that later. donald trump made a new hampshire campaign stop where he spoke to a small audience from a loading dock beginning with some written remarks. but a few minutes into his

speech, trump reacted to the sound of a plane flying overhead. oh, my -- he talked about mexico and trade. >> mexico. i respect mexico and their leaders. what they've done to us is incredible. their leaders are so much sharper and it's incredible. that could be a mexican plane up there. they're getting ready to attack. >> it's tourettes. >> he's got political tourettes. >> even the jokes have such a distasteful, hate mongring, fear. >> you are saying this about a guy you have known for a decade and like. >> i personally like him. great dad, great boss and i think inside he's a good man. >> he's playing this role that he doesn't have to play. it is a -- i don't get it.

>> maybe he doesn't believe in himself. because usually people kind of blurt out things like that when they're nervous. maybe he doesn't believe he could just kind of hunker down and get serious. >> really quickly. we've all known him for over a decade. he's not running for president. we can talk about this. have any of you in 10 or 11 years heard him other the first rals racially insensitive unkind thing about anybody because of their race or because of their religion? there the only thing i could say i heard him say sometimes he can say color things about women. >> when you say off color, you mean talking about beautiful women. no, that's -- >> not even close to anything racist. >> racist not. that's why i ask the question

about race. >> i know somebody that is a hispanic who he didn't speak a word of english and he gave a job sight unseen to the guy and his kids have a college education because of him. >> he likes the underdog. that's what's so strange. >> the other level is, no, i've said those things in the past and people are telling me i can't and screw you, i can continue to say them. there is just this defiance. >> willie, you know the guy, you've hung around with the guy. so, you know -- i've never heard the guy do anything. but talk kindly about people. i mean, as far as race goes, it's not part of who he has been as a person and, yet, that's what he's leading with on the campaign trail. by the way, this doesn't make it better. this actually makes it worse that he's cynically using these

racial undertones to rye to win an election. >> i don't know him terribly well, but i never heard him say anything approaching the things he said on the campaign yesterday. yesterday was another case of a throw away line. he heard the buzz in the air and when he put it together with all the things he said in the campaign. it's not a throw away. building walls and keeping people out and talking about mexico in a derogatory line. >> i grew up in an intelligent and brilliant family and those lines always come out of my mouth. not those involving race, but just to fill nerves. when you don't feel like you measure up. you don't feel like you can hunker down and get into the conversation, you become the comedian. the family diplomat. i mean, i'm relating a little but, but i'm not running for president of the united states. i'm just trying to figure this out because the potential was

there. he did it. he defied all odds. >> potential even with this. he's in half the swing states. i mean, even with this. >> not a good time not to be confident. >> another incident where trump took question. here, two exchanges. notice two completely different reactions. somebody said something offensive about israel and he defends israel. but then somebody says something about muslims and he seems to embrace it. take a look . >> while wasting military in the middle east on behalf of zionist israel. thank you. >>le all right, well, let me ju tell you that israel is a very, very important ally of the united states. and we are going to protect them

100%. 100%. they've been our most reliable, it's our true friend over there and we're going to protect israel 100%. that was a tough question on israel. that was nasty. whoa. >> just to quickly. homeland security and jobs. why aren't we putting our military retirees on that board or in tsa? get rid of all these -- we need the veterans back in there to take it? they fought for this country and defended it and they'll still do it. thank you. >> you know, we are looking at that. we are looking at that. we are looking at a lot of things. >> yeah. >> i tell you, his temperament when he was taking questions there was the best -- it's interesting the fox poll coming out and saying 89% of people think he's hot headed. clearly not a good thing for president. but his response to israel was

much more. >> but then you heard, obviously, the second one. >> clearly, an attack on muslims and he said, oh, i understand that. >> she was talking about -- >> he said he's looking into that. >> when i see a moment like that and reminded 2008 john mccain, who you remember well, when the women in the audience there was all this heat around president obama being a muslim and he grabbed the mike out of her hand and said, no, ma'am. we can have disagreements, but ware not going to slander him by making things up that are not true. >> he's not going to lose one voter by acting civil. by not -- >> respecting people in regards to the god they worship. >> no intellectual conversation. >> as a first-time candidate for

anything. he still has the mentality, the reflexes of the guy rupping to be the republican nominee. he is engaged in cautious reaction to things that he thinks might create a problem for him, which is important. if he's trying to keep the base together. but he needs to be thinking with different impulses and he's never been a general election candidate in his career. >> also never had to think twice about anything in his career. people who work around him. this is a guy going through life since a time he is a kid other than when he went to military school. i do what i want and i'm smarter than everybody in the room. >> he made a speech yesterday and he talked about trade and talked about jobs and actually some meat in there. here we are sitting at 6:00 in the morning and overshadowed by a couple incidents with people in the crowd. all right, still ahead in "morning joe." >> maybe you'll find somebody to balance him out on the vice presidential ticket.

a leveling win -- >> stabilizing force. >> calming influence. two people at the top of donald trump's vp list. we'll have that. plus, former director of the cia and nsa. retired general michael hayden will join the conversation and u.s. ambassador nick burns will also be our guest. >> by the way, you have been calling newt gingrich like before the first -- >> since the funeral. >> since nancy reagan's funeral. all right, but, first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> you don't want to see anything in his eyes. >> the twinkle. the shine. >> i'm talking about bill karins. >> oh, no, thanks. >> there's a twinkle there. >> give a good weekend. >> the weekend forecast is good for most. but friday night the worst in the northeast. first what happened in vegas. picture the heat and the strip. how about this in vegas yesterday. thunderstorms dumped a lot of

rain and dealt with flash flooding in the region and they've dried out since then. no injuries, no deaths reported, thankfully. let's get to the forecast for the difficult travel as we go throughout the afternoon. 41 million people at risk of severe weather, including new york city, washington, d.c., philadelphia, baltimore, richmond, all the way back up through new england. we could see few isolated tornadoes this afternoon with the strong thunderstorms and those will cause significant airport delays late today into early this evening. keep that in mind for your travels. the rest of the forecast today, scattered storms in florida. as we go through the holiday weekend, worry about flash flooding, especially as we go through the middle of the country. that's where the problems are going to be. saturday and sunday. by the time we geet the fourth, we'll watch the mid-atlantic region. overall, a pretty warm forecast and most of the severe weather will be today and the northeast. over the weekend, i do not expect a lot of -- new york city wait wa

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>> it's kind of hard to smuggle you into nantucket. you can dress that way. >> i was not invited to joe's son's wedding. we'll talk about the possible reasons. >> what are you talk about? >> they would not have let you come into nantucket. you're not desirable. >> sounds like a universal thing with donny. >> i just, i just actually described how his neighbors feel about him. >> have you seen his master bedroom. >> i sent a nice cheese platter to the kids. >> that's great. they love it. >> i'm going to go back to the news. donald trump has formally started vetting perspective presidential picks. at the top of the list, former house speaker newt gingrich. and new jersey governor chris christie. the associated press is reporting that both received paperwork in the last 24 hours.

while ging rich has criticized some of trump's comments, christie is drawing attention as one of his most trusted advisors behind the scenes. christie's job approval is at low. including just 48% of the state's republicans. trump yesterday declined to say whether christie was one of the names at the top of his list. >> for scott brown, chris christie, both well known here. are they on your short list? >> they are both good guys. i don't want to say short list. they are both good people. scott was early supporter and chris was after he got out and certainly people i want involved. >> another rumored candidate, indiana governor mike pence said yesterday that he is under consideration. he and trump have not talked about it. >> we don't need to see. just says he hasn't talked to

him. >> so, we all sort of think that, we saw how good chris christie was on the campaign trail. but as far as newt gingrich goes, it seems like rumblings for some time have suggested that he has the inside track on this job mark halperin. >> i'll be straight forward about my reporting sources who differ on some areas. fair amount of agreement of all the people donald trump is asking for opinions, lots of people close to him are telling him don't pick newt gingrich. >> that means he's going to do it. >> but that he is drawn to gingrich as a possibility. >> why? >> he likes his experience and his toughness and he thinks he's a big pick. a big, bold pick. >> so far in this campaign has donald trump ever taken good advice? >> they have taken advice from people close to him.

>> no, he hasn't. >> heard some teleprompter speeches. that's not on his own. i have always, i have thought for a long time that he'd pick chr christie based on process of elimination. >> in his mind, my brand is the right brand. i'm doubling down on it. i'm not going to pick somebody that will off set me. i'll pick a duplicate version of myself. >> that's why he picks newt gingrich. >> or christie. >> gingrich is far more volatile. than chris christie is. >> they both have that attack dog, nasty, in your face bluntness that would be a brand extension instead of a brand -- >> but gingrich also a creature of washington. he said he wants somebody that understands how washington works. >> you cannot find somebody on paper who can better understand

washington than a guy who has been speaker of the house. and you have to do the background betting. but, no, everything about the controversial became -- >> nothing right here. >> gingrich has a lot of things in his background that are problematic, as are christie. a lot of things in his background that troubled him. then there's the political bet. that's where trump is using his own instinct. trump has a huge problem with women voters. chris christie and to a greater extent newt gingrich do not help with that. the political question of who will actually help you. once you get past the question of qualified, i think he's largely what will rely on his own instincts. >> willie, if you want somebody who is an attack dog on the campaign trail but focused that can prosecute your case, all you have to do is look at what chris christie did to marco rubio. chris christie ended marco rubio's campaign.

ended it. history and i'm sure your next book will show he had a huge impact. >> at that debate. >> at that debate. >> nobody is better than prosecuting a case than chris christie on the campaign trail. >> the interesting thing picking the attack dog. some go out and say the things that the candidate shouldn't maybe say. if you have two attack dogs, that other attack dog should get you something else whether it's female voters or latina voters. >> when christie ran in new jersey before his popularity plummeted he did very well. >> his numbers are at 26% in new jersey now. >> mika, you just said something very, very interesting. which is, in case you want to destroy somebody. we have been saying for some time, this isn't about who wins, it is about who loses.conquer, u

take over. >> i have never been a christie, but for two reasons. this is what we stand for. and, secondly, if trump's big problem is he's too nasty, his temperament is off, it gives him the ability to have christie do a lot of the dirty work and play good cop sometimes. in a strange way, serves both those things. all of a sudden trump does not have to to that and concentrate on reading prompter and being normal. >> you take a snapshot of where he is today, not as much. but when he was on the cover of "time" magazine and got re-el t re-elected. he's one of the most talented performers in politics. >> everybody is talking about the 26% right now in new jersey. everybody is talking about how that would hurt on the campaign trail. no, it just won't. there have been other people

that have run before that have had low numbers. what will matter how does chris christie perform on the campaign trail? in new jersey, the first, the two times he ran, he was pretty incredible in the campaign trail and in new hampshire. i have yet to see anybody put on a better performance than he put on in new hampshire at a series of town hall meetings. >> yeah. i think there's some problems. >> huge problems. >> the question, too, with gingrich is if the trump message has changed. hillary clinton and newt gingrich is up there talking about white water like it's s'9, '95. does that feel like change to people. peggy newnan sees a current read of things. plus, retired general michael hayden joins the table. "morning joe" is back in a moment. it's in the quiet moments when you see why she does this. for hillary, it's always been about kids.

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we are following developments out of instuble again this morning. turkish officials tell nbc news that 11 people have been taken into custody, including one russian citizen. that brings the total number of people detained in this investigation to 24. it is not known at this time whether any of those are believed to have been involved in tuesday's airport attack. as we've reported, the suspect, the suspected suicide

bombers were russian and isbeck. donald trump continues to push for more extreme tactics against isis. >> we'll get much tougher as a country and much sharper and have to do things that are unthinkable almost. unthinkable. >> this is, i have to say, this professes. so, it's disturbing on the civil liberties front. but it's also even more disturbing on the front of getting actionable intelligence. you talk to the cia pros who will always tell you this was always a secret. very few people will tell you that when they had al qaeda leaders, that that was like gold. and they treated them. you know, yes, they, at times they would interrogate them and they would do things and make

them think that they had no control over their life. they knew that was the most valuable asset in the world. they had information they had to get. they spent most of the time, you know, talking to them. actually taking care of them. getting them movies they wanted to see. like, it does you no good to have a shot up and terrorized to the degree that they can't give you actionable intelligence. you talk to every pro that's done this. and they will tell you that what he's talking about and what happened is the exact opposite of what you want if your goal is to get actionable intelligence to protect americans. >> i also want to understand when he says, look, obviously, every american wants to get tougher on terror and he pound his fist. >> he wants to bring back waterboarding. but beyond that. the way he's going to wipe out

isis. what exactly does he -- >> just explain. waterboarding, it's stupid. why does waterboarding work? because the people. the three people who have waterboarded didn't think there was any limits to that waterboarding. now they know it was all a psychological routine. a horrible, terrible thing. no doubt about it. but now everybody knows. the united states of america is not going to kill you. they're going to try to scare you and play in a very intense way, good cop/bad cop. waterboarding would not work now. for him going around and say we should do what we did back in 2003, it's just asinine. >> i would like one reporter to ask him, what is your solution? it's great. anybody can pound their fist. >> do you think we should ask them for more specifics is what you're saying. >> one specific. one. you're going to get tough on isis. what does that mean? >> he lives in a world where he

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good tahave you bao have you ba show, general. >> i have no problem with us getting smarter or tougher. i think you would agree -- >> we've been here before. we're light and late. >> it's remarkable. before and after istanbul we don't have a program defined to get information from terrorists effectively. so, we've got no problem with what he says generally, but talking about waterboarding and even things work. >> he's thrown waterboarding out like it was a secret sauce. once we dot that, everything will be fine. we did it. we used it on three people. it was a long time ago. we still believe it was useful in those instances. our most powerful tool investigating at the sites weren't enhanced techniques, it was our knowledge. now for a third of our detainees

in order to get to that, let's use our knowledge. we had to get them out of zone of defiance and we used the techniques and the knowledge and the probing and the questioning and, frankly, the relationship that you establish would the detainee. >> that's what surprises me what donald trump misses. all those guys at those sites that i talked to all say it was the relationships that they built up. even, you could get a couple of these guys around the table talking about khalid shaikh mohammed and they'll all have a funny sorry and start laughing at a joke he told them. >> at the classes he taught. >> he would lecture them. hey, i'm talking up here. they'd give him a white board and let him go. >> we should be detaining people, which we should be doing. which is getting tougher. we ought to allow ourselves more head room than the army field manual. this isn't my arguing to go back to some of the techniques we had

earlier. joe, the first case, capturing people. that requires people on the ground. requires people more forward than we have allowed them to be. we look at what's happening. more air power and more boots embedded and things that a lot of folks have been calling for for two or three years. it's kind of migrated into a tougher position. >> but, at the same time, that tougher position allows us to kill the enemy. >> it does. >> but does not allow us to capture the enemy. when we kill the enemy all the actionable intelligence to save us from the next attack dies with them. >> that's a given. >> drones aren't the answer to -- >> air power alone can be quite effective, but it's probably less than decisive. you need forces on the ground and one of the advantages of forces on the ground is that you can actually capture and interrogate people. we have made it so politically

dangerous here at home to capture people. but i think the bureaucracy has qu developed a bit of an allergy towards it. >> safe to kill people and their families with drones. not safe to go in and capture somebody and actionable intelligence. >> today the white house is expected to reveal just how many civilians have been killed by u.s. drone strikes since president obama took office. obama is also expected to issue an executive order requiring annual disclosures of civilians killed and counterterrorism strikes in an effort to make protecting civilians a more ent enti enterii part. >> richard, seems a bit low. you talk about a whitewash.

to use a word that should never be used, surgical. we avoided collateral damage to that extent. i think the use of drone strikes is not a reflection of an anti-terrorism strategy, which is fine, but also an avoidance of what general hayden was talking about which is having more people on the ground. you find the anti-terrorism war with one dimension from afar and you use drones and limits, again, any risk we put on our own people and what you accomplish and is this the counterproductive side. >> the legal risk. you can put a bullet through somebody's head and you don't have to worry about lawyering up when you come home. >> right. >> you actually capture them and take them out of their home so you don't kill innocent civilians and then you interrogate them to get information? and then suddenly you have to hire lawyers. >> that was going to be my question to you, general. the pendulum has swung so far the other way because we didn't want men and women dying in iraq

and afghanistan and places in the country that we went to so-called clean war fare that is not through drones. is there a middle ground and somewhere where they work in concert together where we don't have either of these problems? >> there is a middle ground. it's a more dangerous ground. you are putting more americans in harm's way for a short period. it actually may be safer for americans over the long term, but certainly while you're being more aggressive, you've got more young american men and women in harm's way. you know, generally, military planning works backward from the desired effect. it isn't nearly as successful when you work forward from the premise of, here's what i'm willing to do. frankly, we've been working forward from the premise and here's what i'm willing to give. not working backward from where does it need to be. >> richard haas, barack obama is coming up on the end of his two

terms in the white house. is that a pretty accurate description of the ad hoc nature of his foreign policy approach to isis? >> we didn't call it ad hoc. what it begins from is an entire mindset that the principle lesson of the last decade or more is the united states needs to involve large military involvement in the middle east. it's the overlearning of the lesson of iraq and afghanistan. can't have large footprint and can't put a large number of americans. getting the forces out of iraq and afghanistan and so forth is all not getting involved in syria is all about the avoidance of american military involvement on a large scale. a large part of the counterterrorism program then follows from that. not so much ad hoc. actually based upon a world view no matter what. goes back to what mike said. no matter what, we can't get heavily involved. let's figure out the strategy

that makes the best of the situation given that starting point. >> what is the impact on that? on the united states? >> number one, to do that, you begin with the premise that this is bad, but not that bad. other things that i should be more concerned about and this is self-contained. >> you were saying about syria. 120,000 had died. >> now you can connect the dots from that decision to a vote last week in the united kingdom. if you don't think syria is important, how about the destabilization of europe. >> peggy newnan writes in "wall street journal." a world in crisis, and no genius in sight. the leaders of the world aren't a very impressive group right now. there's a sense with some of them of playing out of historical or cultural string, that they're placeholders in

some way. many are young, yet so much around them feels tired. which has me thinking, again, of the concept of the genius cluster. they happen in history and no one knows why. it was a genius cluster that invented america. somehow franklin, jefferson, washington, adams, madison, hamilton, jay and monroe came together in the same place at the same time and invented something new in the history of man, everything feels up ended, the old order that has governed things for 70 years since world war ii being swept away. >> you don't have to go back to 19 -- look at the people around george h.w. bush. >> well, it's hard to have that conversation with the two of us sitting here since both of us were part of that administration. >> that's the best reason to have it. talk about the men and women that you were surrounded by that shape your lives because the

colin powells because they were big men, big leaders, big thinkers. >> i think that was really in some way the last cluster. the last would be the world war ii cluster. but i think the last was under 41. beginning with 41 himself, jim baker as secretary of state. dick cheney as secretary of defense. brent scrowcroft and really wasn't -- >> colin powell. >> just a deputy in national security. it was an extraordinary group of people who also worked incredibly well and had about as good as you get, i thought, the balance between what the white house was meant to do and what the various agencies and departments are meant to do. the system actually worked in some ways as close as it was every designed for. >> it is the last time general hayden that i was ever watching the television and looking at, for instance, a move that russia

would make. oh, my god, what are we going to do? this is too big. and then the white house 15 minutes later would do something that would make you go, okay, there's some smart people in there. >> what richard just laid out. that group in addition to all that raw talent, they also had a sense of history, their place in history and how history was changing before their very eyes. and so they could go with that knowledge and they knew where the levers were and what the potential outcomes were. let me double down on what peggy said, i think we're seeing the melting down of the american liberal world bank, imf, world order. and now we need a new squad to come in and build what we want to have for one of a better term, global governance or global order. we need that team to get together again. >> who's on the squad? who's on the squad? come on. >> let's have a fantasy draft right now.

>> some scouts out and no to college campuses and find the right kind. but my point is, it's that fundamental. >> not just that, but also in europe what we saw with brexit and possible knock down effects there. you always feel like you're sitting around history being made here and some of the threats with the global economic institutions and, obviously, the middle east is as chaotic as it gets. asia will play out given what's going on with china and north korea. it's a real fasten your seat belt moment. >> three clusters, 1776. two, the immediate post cold world war with george w. bush. >> i was waiting for his name to come up. put his name in that cluster. >> really quickly, we have to go to break. but look at the people he put around him.

madeline albright. bob gates. >> leave it there. >> condi rice. it's good to surround yourself with really smart people. all right, general michael hayden, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> stay with us, if you can. coming up, we're two weeks away from the star of the national -- >> she didn't really mean that, richard. thank you for coming. >> he's staying. >> got to go tee off. >> exactly. two weeks and then we're going on the road. >> wow. i wonder if peggy -- oh, we have to have peggy on, if you know what i mean. >> peggy is good at conventions. >> always takes that ambien at about midnight. >> now you'll have to tell the story. >> remember denver. she accidentally took it at like midnight and then she remembered she had to be on the show at 4:00. >> mountain time. >> and she was at her best. she was amazing. >> letting it rip.

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ourselves from goods pouring into our country. we want to be a manufacturer. we want goods pouring out of our country and we want to be paid for it. george washington talked about it. so many talked about it. the great ones talked about it. the ones we have today, they want to protect the rest of the world. it's almost as though they want to protect the world and they don't care about our workers. and hillary clinton, honestly, is one of the great abusers. she doesn't understand the workers. so, donald trump talking about the workers. and david brooks this morning, richard, you pointed out david brooks great column. talking about the political realignment and he said that donald trump is his attack of hillary clinton and trade deals actually hits her where she's weakest. >> people, you know, we can debate how much donald trump is a, "flawed messenger." but the message is on to

something. that the old debate about the size of government, the role of government and the economy is yesterday's debate. the new debate is to question how open the united states and other countries stay to the world. whether it's open to people in terms of immigration or open to the flow of goods and services, which is the trade debate and where trump is on to something. i think it's very similar to the brexit vote. what animated that. you have people in mature economies essentially pushing back saying this openness to people and to goods and services is working against our interest. >> his temperament was fantastic right there. until he looked up in the sky and talked about a mexican plane delivering a very tough flawed message, in my opinion, but a very compelling message. but in a very, very thoughtful way. i have not seen him speak like that before. >> donny is here, richard haas is here. joining the conversation from washington editor of "washington post" eugene robinson. and political reporter for "washington post" and msnbc

political analyst, alex costa and host chuck todd joins us, as well. >> chuck, we have been talking about the last couple days. the tale of two trumps. one, the trump that is undisciplined and shoots off at the mouth and says things that only hurt him and the other trump who is starting to focus in on a workers' first message and an america first message that could have some real residence in states like ohio and pennsylvania. >> you know, a consultant source of mine about a week ago was doing a focus group and read trump's message to the focus group. it tested through the roof. and then he showed video of donald trump saying that message and the dial test went down. the point is, just what you guys were talking about. the message is powerful. the difference between whether trump can, it's trump that is

causing the hesitance for voters. many love his message, don't just trust him or believe the messenger is flawed. but, look, it goes to what richard said. there is a middle class revolt around the world in mature democracies. and it is this issue of basically it's a pushback against globalization. and where immigration and both the economy put in there. so, trump's on the message and this goes to something that there was a side bar note that said bill clinton has been nervous that essentially hillary clinton is out of touch. that they don't have the right message for this cycle. and they may not. they may just luck out and they're running against the wrong messenger. >> we shall see. but in the coming political realignment, that's exactly what david brooks says. even if trump loses and he suspects he will lose. trump is causing a realignment

that somebody else will pick up on and actually win four years from now. >> chuck, you mentioned bill clinton and we have breaking news. "new york times" is reporting that attorney general loretta lynch will accept whatever recommendation career, prosecutors and fbi director will make. she's removing herself. the paper says her decision removes the possibility that a politically appointee will overrule investigators in the case. this development comes after a lot of criticism around the attorney general's meeting with former president bill clinton. board her plane at a phoenix airport. >> how irritated is barack obama by bill clinton. how irritated is barack obama by the existence of bill clinton and the lack of discipline that the storm cloud that follows

bill clinton wherever he goes. it has to drive the president crazy. >> why do you think it's only barack obama annoyed with him. why don't you think hillary clinton is a little annoyed with him? >> i'm sure hillary clinton is very annoyed with him. the entire white house here has been this rough relationship between barack obama and bill clinton for eight years. and the two men do not understand each other. when i see that split screen of barack obama's attorney general and bill clinton, you just can sense the president just rolls his eyes and can't believe what he's seeing. >> i would guess that he probably did more than roll his eyes. i bet there were a few choice words. >> that would be nice. >> i have, i have been wrong about this. i thought bill clinton would be relatively well behaved during this election cycle and that he probably wouldn't step in it since he stepped in it last time. last time around, several times. i thought he had learned from that. and learned quite as much as i

had anticipated. and maybe this is the eruption and he'll be better, you know, going forward. >> i don't get it. >> so, in light of this news that she's going to accept the decision of the fbi and she's not taki taking herself off the. keep it in concept of past decisions. he knocked it down to a misdemeanor. they don't want any eappearance of this. here's the attorney general defending her 30-minute conversation with bill clinton. >> it was about his grandchildren and he mentioned the golf he played in phoenix and he mentioned travels he had to west virginia. we talked about former attorney general janet reno, for example, who we both know.

no discussion of any matter pending before the government or any matter pending. no discussion of benghazi and by way of example. >> well, when i first heard that yesterday afternoon, i actually thought they were joking. i thought the people that told me, i said, no way. just no way that is going to happen. and it happened. and i am just flabbergasted by it. >> bob costa, let's go to you on this, as well. we're talking earlier that it just sort of supports this idea that there's a cloud of suspicion that clintons play above the rules and that they think they have their own rules and poor judgment on both sides here, really. >> you see the reaction in the conservative side of the aisle. a pretty fierce to this encounter on the tarmac. there's a sense that after the benghazi committee did not really unfold in the way some on the right had hoped, that maybe the investigation about secretary clinton's e-mails.

this would become a central issue for republicans. i think that's just where republicans are right now. they're trying to look for some kind of critique of clinton that sticks and for the moment, they think they found a misstep in how this has been handled. >> we've got andrea mitchell with us. chuck todd and andrea mitchell, we'll have you guys take off with this. first, bill and hillary clinton both have law degrees. i mean, there's no way they don't completely understand how completely inappropriate a meeting like that is. is there? could they just be hanging out with the attorney general because they want to get to know her? what am i missing here? >> look, could you picture bill clinton just sort of sauntering over and he's sitting on the tarmac and the attorney general is there and let me go and say hi. you could sort of see how this happens. you're her and you look up and what do you do, kick a former

president off your plane? no, joe, hang on -- >> they're in the middle of a criminal investigation that could change the course of american history. yes, the president doesn't wait who will decide whether his wife is indicted or not. >> what i'm saying, could you picture how that happens and how people make a human error here? yes. >> i don't think you can. as a lawyer and former public official, no. not even close. can you, let me turn it back to you. i'm not being defined here. >> i'm just saying, you can picture how this happened. i'm not saying she did what she had to do this morning, i thought, frankly, they were going to have to go to spence koulshal and say, no, i'll hand this over. she had to hand this over to a third party. this was a line of questioning i did with her ten days ago on "meet the press" because i never

understood if she wants to stay on as attorney general. i think she has no choice but to find a way to be the person not to make the decision prosecuting her. now this forces her hand in a way, i don't know why she didn't let her hand be forced before, get this off of her plate. but i'm just saying, you know, to assume, we live in a world where everybody is guilty until proven innocent in politics. it's too bad we live in this world. everybody has earned this. whether we like it or not. but let's be realistic. it's very possible how this could happen by happenstance. >> so many passes on this e-mail thing. >> andrea mitchell, we're in the middle of a hot and heavy investigation. i'm sorry. you've been in washington a long time. i know chuck has. i have, too. i can't imagine, i can't imagine this happening under any scenario that does not involve

bill clinton. >> well -- >> it's such bad judgment. >> it shows bad judgment on both of their parts because as casual an encounter as they first described, first, you have to understand what the overall context is. i know what chuck is saying because we all know bill clinton and we all know you're at a private air strip and you have two secret service details, they talk to each other. he sees the motorcade and says, who is there? that's the attorney general. that said, let me tell you what our reporting is today from the justice department. she is going to take this highly unusual step in aspen today of making a speech and talking now about what she's going to do in the middle of an investigation. they never even confirmed what's happening in an investigation. you know that. so, she's going to have to make this announcement today in aspen, previously scheduled appearance, obviously. it's what she should have done yesterday, well, what they

should have done is not have the meeting. what they're going to announce is what they are discussing. she is not going to overrule the career prosecutors and fbi. she's not giving up her power, but basically accept their recommendation. whatever it is. and take herself out of that decision making piece of it. because of this meeting. they were already discussing whether that was the right way to go, apparently. but had not announced it yet because the investigation, you know, it was premature. >> hey -- >> the fbi has yet to interview hillary clinton. it's possible that she was interviewed without our knowing it. they told us they will tell us after the fact. but that's the other piece of it. they still haven't interviewed hillary clinton, as far as we know. >> hey, it's donny. we like to talk about this stuff and save hillary being indicted. am i correct in assuming that the average voter cares about what we were talking about five

minutes ago as far as basically being safe from terrorists attacks and protecting nigh job. what is badonald trump whether trump university or whatever it is will do whatever it takes and all i care about is me and not them. whoever pushes those two buttons better wins and this stuff is all noise. >> but, donny, i think character and trust matter and i think it is hurting her and i think it's hurting donald trump. his business practices. although it hasn't been reported expressively as some of the other stuff. >> who is going to help me better. >> i think that's basically the most important thing to voters. but i think andrea has a point. i mean, when i just talk to ordinary folks, i hear a lot about these personalities. i hear a lot about hillary clinton and whether or not she's trustworthy. i hear about donald trump and whether or not he's crazy.

or dickatori tdictatorial or wh. these are unusual personalities who are running to be president. while those pocketbook issues. what does it mean for me issues are paramont. these other issues are important. this is an unusual election between unusual people. you know, with bill clinton on the side. this doesn't happen. >> let's just bring it back to what we're talking about and then, richard, you can grab it. loretta lynch has now kind of removed herself from having power over a case that is really important to the future of our possibly of our country because of a meeting that chuck todd, you characterize this as how could she say no? he just sauntered in. richard haas, i don't understand how this happened. there's no way that she knew, she didn't know that this meeting would completely expose

her -- and actually make her impossible to be a part of it any more. >> puts her in a position. but let's connect the two parts of this conversation. the framing for this election is, i think, this push back against globalization. whether it's immigration workers, trade, what have you. and all things being equal. that probably helps donald trump more than hillary clinton because he represents the outsider and she's more of a traditionalest. who we have seen in the last few weeks make this a referendum on. is it a referendum on donald trump's temperament or on hillary clinton? what is interesting in the last 24 hours and the whole thing with the attorney general, it pushes the focus back to hillary clinton and takes it off donald trump. that, to me, is in some ways a question of how this plays out over the next three or four months. >> what happened? what happened in the meeting? if no one found out about this meeting, would she not have done this? did something happen in the meeting that made her feel she has to remove herself from power

over this case? >> it's the appearance. >> so, it was discovered because it's out now. >> you could see clinton being 70-year-old bill clinton, i don't care doing it, but how she allowed it to happen. >> how do you stop a former president from coming on to your plane? >> gene, you do it staff to staff. which i guess i was going to say to chuck and i'll say to you. this is the responsibility to the principles, primarily. but also the responsibility of able staff members to say, to say, mr. president, i'm sorry, but we just can't have a private meeting with you while your wife is under investigation. and the future of america rests on it. i think -- it really does. >> we're protecting you.

>> america's future does rest on what happens in this case. and, chuck, i guess my focus, also, it was yesterday, too. all around here was on the staff. what was the tstaff thinking? >> what was the attorney general thinking? >> the staff, as well. >> i want to know who's staffing bill clinton. because, look, it's my understanding not a very senior person that travels with him that a lot of more of his senior people that are looking out for him are sitting in new york. you do wonder if he has a senior aide traveling with him, if he does say, whoa, who thinks about, hey, how is this going to look? be careful. i wouldn't do that. i think that's probably a fair critique. if you're robby this morning, you're probably asking, who is traveling with bill clinton? who is finding that -- >> not a happy man this morning. >> on that front. >> and, you know, willie, like you've said.

they did it for general petraeus and certainly something that the clintons would hope loretta lynch would do for her. came back with too hot of a decision, they could knock it down, in a sense. bill clinton's move now has placed her in greater legal jeopardy. if you believe that a straight shooter and no safety valve in this case it backfired. we don't know what happened in the 30 minutes of conversation, but now loretta lynch is not there. they thought in some way that was an advantage to have her there and knock charges down or ignore charges. >> i think he wanted to hang out with her and talk about grandkids because i'm sure he thought, it would be cool to meet her. >> there's a difference -- we always talk about people what an asset bill clinton would have been. i'm going to say something that

sounds aegis between -- who's just kind of, i don't give a -- i can do what i want. she's here. why can't i do it? i think the fault lies on lynch's side. clinton you can almost expect that behavior from him. >> final word. >> guess who is interviewing loretta lynch in aspen today? jonathan capehart. >> andrea mitchell, thank you. chuck todd, thanks a lot. what do you have coming up on "meet the press" this sunday? >> two people that could be on the ticket tom cotton and the labor secretary. >> all right, eugene robinson, stay with us. bob costa we promise to bring you in next block. could a new proposal take all politics out of the rulemaking process ahead of the national convention. the rules committee is taking a look at the proposal that could

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>> i'm opposed to wasting military in the middle east on behalf of zionist israel. thank you. >> all right. let me just tell you that israel is a very, very important ally of the united states. and we are dpogoing to protect m 100%. 100%. they've been our most reliable. it's our true friend over there and we're going to protect israel 100%. that was a tough question on israel. all right. that was nasty. whoa. >> just to mix quickly, homeland security and jobs. why aren't we putting our retiree, our military retirees on that border or in tsa? get rid of all the jobies they

wear. we need the veterans back in to take it. they fought for this country and defend it and they still will. >> we're looking at that and we're looking at a lot of things. >> what does she even mean by that? i'm serious. >> i know it's something derogatory. >> i don't know for sure. >> that's a good answer. bob costa, what do you make of this one second he can really sound like he knows what he's doing and the second he's blurting out things? >> well, when you see his comment about israel, you see him going to his position. that's his position when it comes to foreign policy. when it comes to the dress that some people of the islamic faith have, i'm not so sure she's knowledgeable on all these fronts. so, he's extemporaneous in his

remarks and sometimes i think this is how he creates mistakes for himself. >> bob, we've been talking about good trump/bad trump over the past couple of days where good trump reads from the teleprompter and delivers working class message that causes democrats or could cause democrats fits. and in the next moment, he says something that picks a fight with his own party or seems racially insensitive. how is the republican party and the republicans that work behind you. how are they dealing with this two weeks to cleveland? >> they're really not dealing with it, joe. there's a sense here on capitol hill when you talk to senior republicans and operatives who are associated with the trump campaign. there's a limit to what you can teach trump at this point about the line and so-called polite society or political discourse nationally. he does not know where those lines are and he's willing to cross them. and he's also someone who is

associated with different kinds of conspiracy theories over the years. when they're trying to have discipline on his remarks, just not who he is. that's why they keep trying to give these standard set speeches. at the end of the day he loves rallies and town halls and not always going to be on script. >> gene, you write in "washington post" gop leaders put your country before your party. he can't do it. republicans, it's time for you to admit that donald trump is incapable or even pretending to be an acceptable candidate for president. the question is which side of history you want to be on. are you going to stand with him as the balloons drop on the last night of the convention, knowing he shares neither your views nor your valus? every time trump gives a prepared speech in which he manages to stay on message, drawing praise from the party

establishment, he negates it by reverting to his old self-we are talking about what the presidency of the united states, republicans. you are about to nominate the support a man you know to be dangerously unworthy. some loyalty. >> not enough to stop the speaker of the house. he he makes statements, but not hillary clinton. >> this is going to continue because we know who he is. we know who he is at this point. he can be convinced now to give a speech from teleprompter and from prepared text. he's getting somewhat better at that. but the next day, maybe not even the next day. maybe even a couple hours later on twitter he's back to being donald trump. he's back, you know, off script to say the least and, you know, saying things that are not only, not just inflammatory, but down

right scary. that's who he is. >> donny, can you imagine if the past three days donald trump gave his prepared speech on trade. gave another prepared speech on jobs. gave another prepared speech on, you know, yesterday he was talking about, talking about working class voters, again. and, actually, let those speeches do the talking and put out statements throughout the day. >> i've said this several times. >> it would have an impact. >> how low the bar is set. he gets kudos for being able to read a speech. there was no teeth in any of those speeches. basically, create jobs. >> that's actually not true. those speeches were a revolt against republican orthodox on trade over the past generation. >> the was no specifics in any of those things. no specific. my point is this, he basically, oh, he wausz able s able to rea

telee prompter. how presidential. we need to move the bar up. >> mark, the point is that if he had a disciplined message, that the bar is so low for him, as donny says. he's still tied in ohio and other states like that with hillary clinton. this man could be the next president of the united states with just discipline. >> i don't dispute donny's view that the bar is in the wrong place, but i don't think it is going to change. i think trump may be. sometimes we underestimate him. he may have figured out the rhythm of what he can get away with in this phase and the next phase and the phase after that. he knows if this is winnable, and i believe it is for him. if it is winnable he needs taperform tapeo perform at the right time in the right ways. a lot of elites overshadowing his message and i'm not sure that matters. the make or break thing. >> the republican national convention kicks off in just over two weeks, but the jockying

and the rules committee is already heating up. msnbc chief legal correspondent has a first-hand look at that. arie? >> the fight over the rules of the national convention are now under way. our legal unit has obtained the first official rule proposal. this is an amendment if passed would lock in donald trump for the nomination. keep all the rules from the 2012 convention. any amendments to the party rules would not take effect until after this year's convention is over. the plan is pretty simple and clear. he tells us he hasn't endorsed any candidate, but his argument is that republicans shouldn't change the rules in the middle of the game and keep politics out of it. now, here's how it works. the rules committee meets thursday and friday before the convention. if they pass a plan like this, it would stop the anti-trump movement dead in its tracks. but, of course, a lot more mischief is possible between now and then. we'll be reporting on it from cleveland. back to you guys. >> okay, all right, thank you.

let's bring in a man who knows more about these rules, fights than anyone else. attorney and republican strategist ben ginsburg. ben, what can, what is the worse-case scenario for the convention? >> oh y thi, i think the worse- scenario for the convention is probably a really ugly fight. lots of procedural objections that end up with donald trump as the nominee simply because the person who looks like the inevitable nominee now gets dusted up a great deal by the process. >> and what do you think is going to happen? does it seem -- we're hearing more, we're reading more and more stories and we're hearing more reports that ari said that never trump movement is not going to find footing in the convention. >> look, for it to find footing, it is a really difficult task to come in, organize the

convention, get 2,472 republicans who are not habitual quick movers about things and not inclined to do something unprecedented. to actually get them to take the votes to move. i'm not sure that an amendment in the rules committee saying everything gets pushed off to 2016 has any real effect because you just put a phrase in every amendment that got passed that said, not withstanding any rule and this one does apply in 016 and then it would. but it is the time of year where lots of rules committee members get brilliant ideas on how to do something one way or another. >> bob costa, you also have new reporting on "the many unknowns of the gop convention." what do you have? >> the trump campaign is paying close attention to all this movement among conservative activist ahead of cleveland. you have a long-time chris christie, he's on the rules comm committee to make sure the rules are in favor of trump. they're working directly with

the republican national committee to protect trump. the vp selection also plays into this. trump orig ninally thought abou picking his vp closer to the convention. now a discussion inside the campaign maybe do it late next week or soon because they need to build political capital with these weary conservatives and have the party try to be united more than a few days before cleveland. >> mark -- >> well, this is normally these convention fights are an inside game. and they are inside players who understand the game going up against these top trumpers who are largely outsiders. protests or attempt to change rules, do they do it in a way that leverage is outside opinion because the inside strategists are going to be stronger on the trump side. >> thank you, all. coming up, when russia first

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security to remove references to radical terrorism. is it accurate that the records were changed? >> same answer i gave you before. i have no idea, sir. >> you have no knowledge of any records being changed at the department of homeland security. >> same answer. i have no idea, sir. >> would it concern you if it was accurate? >> senator, i find this whole debate to be very interesting, but i have to tell you, when i was at the department of defense giving the legal sign off on a lot of drone strikes, i didn't particularly care whether the baseball card said islamic extremist. i think this is very interesting. but it makes no difference to me in terms of who we need to go after. >> we're a couple days after a terror attack at an international airport and we're talking about terminology. >> amazing. >> he handled that really well. >> the chairman of the department of homeland security, i would be more interested in

how we keep americans from getting killed at airports. >> jay jo >> jeh johnson was saying, you are a complete idiot. >> he was not saying that, but are you really asking me this question a couple days after istanbul after a nato ally -- >> and we just heard from john brennan who said we need to be on the alert. more eappropriate question. >> it's unbelievable. with us, former dod official dr. evelyn. a senior fellow at the atlantic council and with us former state department spokesman nick burns. now professor at the harvard kennedy school of government. >> this is when the smart people show up. >> exactly. >> so, let me ask you first, ambassador burns. three days after istanbul, where do you find us in our fight against terror? >> well, i think, obviously,

it's a huge wake-up call for turkey, but also for us. there have been 14 terrorist attacks in turkey in the last two years. some of them were kurdish inspired because they're dealing with kurdish terrorism. but this one, obviously, was the islamic state. i think that's the essential question we've got to answer is are we trying to contain the islamic state or are we trying to defeat it? i'm not sure we have a defeat policy in place. the taking back of fallujah went very slowly. of course, mosul may be months or a year away from taken back and the islamic state is metastasizing into libya. it is a shrinking organization, but no where close to being a defeated organization. i think that's the big question for american policymakers. for this administration and for the next administration. a lot of implications for syria because i think the obama team has done very well in trying to retrain the iraqi army and put air power there, but very risk

averse in syria in terms of aiding in a big way rebel groups and putting our own people on the ground. these are big questions for us to thing about. >> do you agree that we don't have a strategy to defeat isis? >> yes, unfortunately. i really want to go back to the syria point because you guys mentioned at the top of the segment, you know, this new, they're calling it strategy. i don't think it's a strategy. the administration is going to work with russia to target some of these terrorists. there is no end game. i mean, this is a problem. you can't separate. what they've been trying to do all along, the administration, is separate the counterterrorism fight from resolving the conflict in syria. you can't do that. think they're linked. >> the entire west has just turned a blind eye to and this administration still does not have a comprehensive policy towards the biggest geopolitical crisis of the last four years.

>> right. i think the other thing is they need to find an angle in to change the dynamic. one of the angles is the humanitarian. they're not talking about it. today was an op-ed 9 million people in syria are essentially starving. over half a million are under siege. that's in addition a the people who are being barrel bombed by the regime, et cetera. a humanitarian urgency we need to do something. that we keep a blind eye is problematic, obviously. >> nick, i'll ask you the same question. what is it about syria whether you're talking about the red line or the barrel bombing. do you talk about assad and you talk about the crimes against humanity. you talk about the mass starvation and the refugees that are not only bringing chaos to the middle east, but now actually impacting votes in great britain. why has this administration so missed the boat on syria from the beginning? >> well, to be fair to president obama, this is about the most

difficult international issue that we're dealing with internationally. and i think any administration would have struggled. >> we have been guests tell us that on the set now for four years. >> but listen to my second point. my first point, it is hard. it is really difficult to know what to do and there are all sorts of risks for the united states. we ought to learn some lessons from what happened to us in iraq. i think if you look at the jeffrey goldberg interview. it was so insightful and the president is entirely risk adverse. i think he believes that anything we do is going to be bad for the country. as evelyn said, i'lled a one more data point. 22.4 more syrians, over 12 million homeless. over half the country. so, we've got to have a humanitarian policy to get humanitarian quarters in there to bring medical relief and food to people. i think that we ought to set up safe havens and no-flight zones on the border with turkey and that will help our relationship with turkey. those are some of the things we

should do. >> why won't the president do it, though? why won't the president do it? >> i think ambassador burns said it. they're risk adverse and when you have to set up a safe zone, your military has to go in there and control the air space. the russian has all the air defense systems. it's challenging. we're going to have to call their bluff and say, okay, russians don't fly here. we are letting the civilians have this space where they can go and seek a safe place to live and get fed. >> mark, i think mika's right, they're not risk averse they're paralyzed. >> i think the president doesn't feel paralyzed. he feels be risk and not confront the russians. i don't think he thinks he's paralyzed. enacting his policies in how to deal with the region. >> this is how, i mean, this is his legacy. by the way, syria and the chaos of syria, nick burns, likely

will be every bit as much of the president's legacy ten years from now as iraq was george w. bush's legacy. i'm not so sure people will look any more kindly on barack obama's inaction than on bush's overreaction. >> you know, to add to that, joe, is that syria has now exploded into lebanon and turkey. this attack comes from the islamic state into jordan and into iraq. you have this problem engulfing the middle east. so if you don't deal with the problem at the source -- and i'm not suggesting 100,000 americans. no body in their right mind would. we have to begin to support those factions we think have a possibility of blunting the government and also of going after the islamic state. i will be incredibly difficult to do but i don't see any wa

alternative but to arm the rebels and become part of the solution in the long term. >> it goes back again to the point that has been made over and over again, that we lack leverage to force them to make peace on our terms. right now they have all of the leverage and they are trying to force us to make peace on their terms. >> attacking the terrorists together, i mean that only helps them. our opposition guys are still weak and after that they are even weaker. >> if for any reason they decide not to ever return to the show again, if you could save this segment for his highlight reel i think we will look back on all of the years that he has been on the show and say this, you know, was his finest segment. >> finest hour. >> thank you. >> you were amazing.

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good morning. it is friday, july 1st. it is already july. >> it is july? >> yes. >> it is really? breaking news -- >> how are you doing today? are you comfortable? >> is that an ami tie? >> it is. >> he go to london to buy his ties. >> donnie goes to buy his jackets. >> he is tonight's host with all due respect. >> and the rumors about willie and i, not true. >> i knew it. >> not true. >> i'm great, thank you. >> are you doing all right? what's coming up this weekend?

>> how is that working for you? >> it is going great. >> will there be five tips for summer entertaining? >> no. >> you like ellie kemper? >> you want to hear something interesting actually? we have breaking news. >> we do. >> this just now broke. a lot of people will say something is breaking news and put that banner down there and it will be like the sun came up yesterday. >> yes. >> it is now going higher in the sky. this is actually breaking news right here. see that right there? new york times just broke this. this is not the sun has just come up. >> it's getting tired. new york times reporting lor ret -- loretta lynch will accept about whether to bring charges

to clinton's private e-mail server. she says her decision removes the possibility that a political appointee will overrecall investigators in the case. it comes after criticism around the attorney general's meeting with former president bill clinton on board her plane at a phoenix airport earlier this week, raising questions over what the two may have discussed. use of a private server while secretary of state. sheer the attorney general defending her 30-minute conversation with the president. >> our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren. it was primarily social and about our travels. he mentioned the golf he played in phoenix and travels to west virginia. we talked about foreman janet reno. there was no matter pending

before the department or spepeng before any other department. no discussion of state department e-mails by way of example. >> what's interesting about this is not only did republicans come out and criticize her for what she did but democrats did as well. >> democrats were just rolling their eyes at this. >> she is not saying he is recusing herself. >> i got to say, this doesn't really fix the problem for people who are suspicious of the meeting. she probably should have done this before. she didn't admit it was a mistake. this is an implicit admission

that it was an error. >> this is actually that loretta lynch already knows something coming out of the fbi. it is bad news for the clintons. giuliani said very on in the process -- and i asked him off the set, is this guy straight shooting? he said he is a straight shooter. whether the justice department will let him go after her, but this guy, he is a straight shooter. i guarantee you the clintons did not want to have that political protection removed. >> if he wanted to indict and lynch squelched it -- >> guess what? she wouldn't have been indicted. >> but -- >> attorney general lynch did the right thing yesterday. it took her a little while to get there. she didn't do the right thing by taking the meeting with clinton.

30 minutes is a long time to talk about golf. it wasn't a five-minute run-in. >> you don't have to talk about it to talk about it. we know how these things go. >> can i let donnie jump in here really quick? i snow if anybody has any questions about the justice department you go to donnie. donnie -- >> we were talking. >> and you were shaking your head like every democrat going what are you doing? >> hey, the secret password is like what are you doing? it is insanity. >> it won't be a deciding factor unless she is indicted. it is one more thing where people do you guys just play above everybody else? is there no rules? we fill up space and people care about their pocketbooks but it's stupid. >> and it feeds into an existing

narrative about the clintons that the clintons don't need right now. just like donald trump yesterday, which is our next story. he alkted incted in a way that republicans and swing voters alike. >> he made a new hampshire campaign stop. he spoke from a shuttered lighting plant. a few minutes into his speech trump realkted to the sound of a plane flying overhead. oh, my lord, then he kind of talked about mexico and trade. >> mexico -- and i respect mexico and leeraders. they are so much sharper. that could be a mexican plane up there. they are getting ready to attack. >> it's ter ets.

>> even the jokes have such a distasteful hate amongering, fear, nerve touching -- >> you're saying this about a guy you have known for a decade. >> great dad, great boss, and i think inside he is a good man. >> he is playing this role that he doesn't have to play. it is a -- i don't get it. >> maybe he doesn't believe in himself. usually people kind of blurt out things like that when they are nervous. maybe he doesn't believe he can just kind of get serious. >> i want viewers to know this. we have all known him for over a decade. >> yeah. >> have any of you -- and we can talk about this because he is running for president. have any of you ever heard him utter the first racially

insensitive unkind thing about anybody because of their race or because of their religion? >> the only thing i have heard him say like other people we love on the show. some times he can say things about women and some times politically incorrect. >> when you say off colored you mean talking about -- >> nothing close to racist. >> and that's why i asked about race. >> i knew somebody that didn't speak a word of english. he has a life and his kids have an education because of donald trump. >> he likes the under dog. >> there is a psychological level that he doesn't want it. people telling me i can't and screw you, i can continue to say that. >> you know the guy you have

hung around with the guy. >> i have never heard the guy do anything but talk kindly about people. as far as race goes, it's not part of who he has been as a person and yet that's what he is leading with on the campaign trail. by the way, it doesn't make it better. it makes it worse that he is cynically using these racial under ton undertones to try the win an election. >> i think yesterday was another case, it was a throw away line. he heard a buzz in the air. when you put it together with all of the things he said in the campaign it's a piece of what he said he believes about building walls and keeping people out. it is a throw-away line. >> i grew up in a really intelligent brilliant family.

those lines come out of my mouth zwro just to fill nerves. you don't feel like you can hunker down and get into the conversation you become the family diplomat. i'm relating a little bit but i'm not running for president of the united states. i'm trying to figure this out. the potential was there. he did it. he defied all odds. >> potential even with this it is within a point or two in half the swing states. >> there was another incident where trump took questions. >> go ahead. >> here are two exchanges. there are two completely different reactions. somebody says something offensive about israel and he defends israel. somebody says something about

muslims and he seems to embrace it. take a look. >> i'm opposed to wasting our military in the middle east on behalf of israel. thank you. >> all right. let me just tell you that israel is a very, very important ally of the united states. we are going to protect them 100%. 100%. they have being our most reliable, true friend over there and we are going to protect israel 100%. that was a tough question on israel. that was nasty. oh. >> just to mix quickly homeland security and jobs. why aren't we putting military retirees? forget all of these heebeejabees

in there. >>. >> we are looking at that. we are looking at that. we are looking at a lot of things. >> i'll tell you, his temperament when he was taking questions there -- you know, it's interesting 89% of people think he is hot-headed. his response was much more -- >> but then you heard obviously the second one. heebeejabe heebeejabees. it was clearly an attack on muslims. he said oh, i understand that. >> she was talking about that at the tsa. >> you know -- >> he said he is looking into that. >> i'm reminded of 2008, john mccain. there was all of this heat around president obama. she said he is an arab.

he grabbed the mic and he said no, ma'am. no, ma'am. we aren't going to make things up. >> he is not going to lose one voter. he is not going to lose one person by acting civil, by not -- >> respecting people. >> there's no intellectual -- >> he has the mentality, the kind of reflexes of a guy running to be the republican nominee. he is engaged in cautious reaction to things he thinks might create a problem with the republican elector. it is important but he needs to be thinking with different impulses and different reflexes but he has never had to think twice about what he says in his life. this is a guy who has gone through life since the time when he was a kid, other than when he

went to military school, that i'm smarter that everybody in the room! he talked about trade. he talked about jobs. there was actually meat in there. it was overshadowed by a couple of people in the crowd. we'll tell you who is leading the race to become donald trump's running mate. first, a check on the forecast. >> it will be a difficult friday night for people traveling in the i-90 corridor. may have a few tornados to deal with. this is the cold front that will cause the problems. humidity increasing. a few storms across ohio, kentucky and central indiana. the humidity will be there along with the heat. we have a severe thunderstorm possibility and risk includes 41 million people and damaging winds will be the biggest concern. the cold front comes on through. the storms bubble up out ahead of that.

d.c. around 4:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. storms will be nearest and closest to you. as we go to new york city and philadelphia airports it looks like the best chance of showers around storms will be around 6:00 to 7:00 p.m. it should be more towards boston by 10:00 to 11:00 p.m. as far as 4th of july goes this is nearly perfect. partly cloudy, seasonable. this is usually at 9:00 p.m. 82 degrees. some of our other displays, dallas. this time of year you're always hot. chicago should be clear and cool. it will be a fantastic 4th of july weekend. all of the great lakes for that matter. for the capital it could be a sto stormy monday night. hopefully we'll get these thunderstorms in and out of the washington d.c. area and get it all cleared out. yesterday we had really bad storms in areas of las vegas.

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we won't get into it. >> they would not let you come into nantucket. you're undesirable. >> i just actually described how his neighbors feel about him. >> have you seen his master bedro bedroom. >> i sent a nice cheese platter. >> i'm going to go back to the news. donald trump sort of started vetting perspective vice presidential picks. former house speaker gingrich and christie. both received vetting paperwork. christie is drawing attention as one of his most trusted and loyal advisers behind the

scenes. 48% of the states republicans, trump yesterday declined to say whether christie was at the top of his list. >> are they on your short list? >> they are both good guys. i don't want to say short list. chris was very early supporter after he got out. they are certainly people i want involved. >> and another rumored candidate, mike pence said yesterday he is under consideration. he and trump have not talked about it. >> we don't need to see it. he just hasn't talked to him. >> we all sort of think -- you know, we saw how good christie was on the campaign trail but it

seems like rumblings for some time that he has the inside track. why would that be? >> i have sources i consider very good on this who differ about what's going on. there is fair amount of agreement of all of the people donald trump is asking for opinions, lots of people close to him were telling him don't pick gingrich. >> it means he will do it. >> but he is drawn to gingrich as a possibility. >> why? >> he likes his experience and his toughness and he thinks he is a big pick, a big bold pick. >> has donald trump ever taken good advice? ever once has he ever followed good advice? >> from people close to him. >> no he hasn't. >> teleprompter speeches. he took advice on that. >> if you do a quick psychology

thing, he is not going to go against type. in his mind my brand is if rith right brand. i will pick a duplicate version of myself. >> that is why he picks gingrich or christie. >> no. gingrich is far more volatile than christie. >> they both have that attack dog, nasty, bluntness that would be a brand extension. >> you know, gingrich is also a creature of washington. he wants somebody that understands how washington works. >> you cannot find someone on paper who better auunderstands washington than speaker of the house. you have to do the background vetting. >> it worked out. >> no. but it became --

>> nothing for that. >> yeah. >> gingrich has a lot of things in his background. christie saw a lot of things in his background that really troubles him. trump has a huge problem with women voters. christie and gingrich do not help with that. they do not help with that. the political question of who would actually help you, i think he is largely going to rely on his own instincts. >> if you want somebody that is an attack dog on the campaign trail but focused that can prosecute your case all you have to do is look at what christie did to rubio. he had a huge impact at that debate. >> yeah. no body is better than prosecuting a case than christie

on the campaign trail. >> it has always been to sort of counter balance it. donald trump is the attack dog. if you have two attack dogs that other attack dog -- >> if you want to destroy it. >> a swing state or something else and neither of these two guys do that. >> and christie ran and he did very well with nonwhite voters. his numbers are 26%. >> you said something very interesting, which is unless you want to destroy somebody. we have been saying that. >> it's like who looses? >> you destroy, you conquer, you take over. >> i think christie would be a smart choice for two reasons. we talk about the clinton vor to

te -- it gives him the ability to have christie do a lot of dirty work. in a change way it serves both things. all of a sudden trump does not have to do that and have to concentrate on being average and normal. >> you take a shot at where he is today not as much. christie when he got reelected with a lot of nonwhite vote he is one of the most talented performers. there is a lot of downside but a lot of upside. >> everybody is talking about how it would hurt on the campaign trail. >> it just won't. >> there have been other people that have run. how does christie perform on the campaign trail? >> he was pretty incredible in the campaign trail and in new

hampshire i have yet to see anybody at a series of town hall meetings. >> and it was a phenomenon for a while. >> i think there are some problems. >> huge problems. >> the question with gingrich is washington and gingrich is talking about whitewater about 94 and 95 does it feel like change to people. a check on the markets exactly one week after the brexit nose dive. it is the appeal among white working class voters. he says trump is the only thing left that offers community and sense of purpose. we'll be right back. what powers the digital world? communication. like centurylink's broadband network that gives 35,000 fans a cutting edge game experience. or the network that keeps a leading hotel chain's guests connected at work, and at play. or the it platform that powers millions of ecards every day

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the plant closed its doors and shipped its jobs to mexico and china. the real clinton global initiative is the plan to ship america's jobs overseas. that's what's happening. you're looking at the wreckage of china's sbras into the world trade organization. now they want to go into tpp,

trance pacific partnership. when you look back and you look at our great leaders they say we have to protect ourselves from goods pouring into our country. we want goods pouring out of our country and we want to be paid for it. george washington talked about it. the great ones talked about it. the ones we have today, they want to protect the rest of the world. i think they want to protect our world but they don't care about our workers. hillary clinton honestly is one of the great abusers. she doesn't understand the workers. >> donald trump yesterday in new hampshire continued to hammer away with the trade policies with the clinton and obama administrations. former marine and author j.d. advance is without with a new

big, hill billy elegy. it relates to why we have seen voters respond to donald trump, something we talked about on the show. j.d. wrote about that entitled the bad faith of the working class. it says i visited with a few teach frers hi old high school. we told me a bright young man stopped showing up to class. she drove to his house to check on him. she found him and his seven siblings home alone. he was too preoccupied caring about his brothers and sisters than to care about school. in the white working class there are far too many wolves, heroin, broken families, joblessness and abusive and neglectful parents.

into that has stepped donald j. trump. for many he is the only thing left that offers a sense of purpose. >> it sounds like a false sense of purpose. >> i do think it's a fathers and mothers sense of purpose. where everything is falling apart, kids are addicted to drugs. they don't have a lot left and donald trump is what they have left. he is in some ways a source of acceptance. >> it makes all too much sense. >> it is unfortunate in a lot of ways. i think what trump is anoth another opiod. the problems will still be there. >> and david brooks this morning

in a column writes but then i drove through the towns along the rivers. the store fronts were boarded up and downtown deserted and mills still operating but they are empty of human presence. the towns still have residents. i drove for miles unable to find a diner for lunch. so into this void tops joblessness, perhaps homelessness. >> stagnant wages. >> heroin addiction. >> if you think about it we think of these things as economic engines. they provide wages and provide people jobs. they also provide people with pride and a sense of purpose. when you come home and tell your kid and loolk them in the eye and say we built something today, something i write about the book when my grandpa raised me, every time we saw a car by

arm coast steel he would say we built that car. >> and i had that same experience for my father that worked for lockheed and absolutely loved it. he got laid off right after he turned 40. i remember my mother telling us it was the worst part. it was the lack of purpose. my 41, 42-year-old father was waking up and sitting at the edge of the bed wondering what his purpose was. he found another job but there aren't those other jobs to go to. >> you mentioned the word opiod. it is no longer about big government, small government. closed is not the answer. it is a simple emotional thing to say. if we stop free trade everything will go fine. it is not the truth.

so he is hitting a nerve but there is not a hint to solve that nerve. that's the problem. >> i think it's not just that it's not the answer it's the very opposite of the answer. when hi grandmy grandma said ne like those people who think the deck is stacked against them. i think that message kind of saved me. that's why i'm able to live the good life that i have. in some ways trump tells people the deck is stacked about you, be angry, withdraw. >> a national review a month or two ago i was critical of but it sounds like you and kevin have the same theory. he said i came from a white -- did you read it? >> i did. >> okay. he said i came from there. they are scapegoating and donald trump is stepping into this void. >> i agree and disagree with

kevin. where i disagree with kevin is he doesn't give enough to the communities that they have been effected by globalization and deindustrialization. i think that you have to have some measure of sympathy that their lives have really changed. i think where kevin is right is ultimately it is booat both a b town and top up people. we have to wonder what's going on that's making this worse. >> you wonder with these people shooting heroin if they still have the jobs in town to go working. >> yeah, it's a very good question. if you look at, you know, if you compare the income levels of working class white folks, working class white folks do

better but kids are more likely to die of heroin overdoses than working class black folks. >> life expectancy shortening for working class white. >> absolutely, a lot of things have happened to these folks but there's something else going on. i think we need to -- >> in the book how do you frame this? is it through the lens of a family? >> i do, yeah. i talk about my family. my own mom struggled with addiction. my grandparents raised me. they are the best thing that ever happened to me and gave me the opportunity to lead the life i lead nouchlt really what is it about our families and communities, kids like me, hard for us to get ahead and hard for us to be upwardly mobile. then after that what is it like interact with law schools and silicone valleys of the world. >> you didn't start there. were the marines your ticket out? >> absolutely.

absolutely. marines were my ticket out. it's not an uncommon thing for folks back home. a lot of us joined the marine corp. it shows me what could happen with the right sorts of character development and the marine corp. helped me. >> what a great young man you are. >> i appreciate it. >> are you based out of new york? >> no. i work in silicon valley now. >> if you get back to the east coast we would love to have you on app lot more. >> thank you. memoir of a family and culture. j.d., i will be reading this this weekend. it looks extraordinary. >> thank you. mark, you have news.

>> they say it was the intention all along to let people decide. she is not recusing herself and she is not stepping aside. >> are you a simpsons fan? >> i am. >> the author that says nothing to see here, move along, move along. >> yeah. that was him saying nothing to say here, move along -- >> i really hope she doesn't do that. >> it would be a terrible mistake. to say i planned to do this all along, that is not the case. >> shi is refusing to apologize. it is confusing to be half way here, to say i'm not recauused

>> it's confusing. >> she turned this over to comey now. >> even if she was still in the game it would have been almost as devastating for hillary. >> if you're in the middle of a campaign and you're indicted -- >> what's the point of rubber stamping the recommendation? >> she wasn't going to rubber stamp the recommendation. holder stamped the petraeus recommendation. >> that's not the posture she is taking. >> of course not. >> must have ban goeen a good meeting. >> thanks. still ahead, what a

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announce she will accept whatever recommendations they make about whether to bring charges to clinton's personal e-mail server. that is according to a justice department official. >> and that official is now pushing back on that. i guess we have a question moving forward today moving to her press conference this afternoon. >> well -- >> her interview on whether she will or won't. >> she is not expected to recuse herself. >> why are we sitting down and you standing up? >> we are done. >> i'm too old to sit on the floor indian style. >> i will find out whether you let donnie on the island of nantucket. >> you have to understand, there are certain refugees that cannot be allowed on the island. >> joe is wearing tapered pants.

take that -- >> i'm not wearing tapered pants. >> let's just stop. that does it for us. thanks for joining us. thank you. >> why does he do that? oh, god. why does donnie kiss me? >> hoping everybody has a great weekend. we'll see you back here on tuesday. >> stephanie picks up the coverage right now. good morning. breaking this morning attorney general loretta lynch defers to the investigation over hillary clinton e-mails. /