in fact, that could be a mexican plane up there, they're getting ready to attack. and veep stakes, two political heavy hitters are being vetted as possible trump running mates, although they're playing it coy. >> i think donald trump does not want to make a decision until the convention. i think that he's a very decisive person and in the case of a few of us, i'm an example, there's not much vetting to do. good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington, attorney general loretta lynch in aspen just moments ago saying she will leave it up to prosecutors and the fbi director to decide whether to bring charging in the hillary clinton e-mail investigation and she will not overrule them. a decision she was already contemplating but making public until a very unusual statement today because of the political fire storm over her airport meeting with former president bill clinton. then are lynch and president

clinton met when they crossed paths at the phoenix airport. lynch called it a social chat they talked about grandchildren and golf. critics are saying it is a conflict of interest since hillary clinton's private server is under investigation. >> follow the law, they follow the facts. that team will make findings, what happened in that scenario, they'll make recommendations as to how to resolve what those facts lead to. the recommendations will be refuted by career supervisors in the department of justice and in the fbi. and by the fbi director. then as is the common process, they present it to me and i fully respect their recommendations. >> joining me now is pete williams, this is an uproar because of a meeting that she is now acknowledging shouldn't have happened. and that she clearly regrets. >> it was a roar before, now

it's an uproar. because there were already calls for her to take herself out, she's an appointee of the president, a democratic president, and serve republicaning were saying she should have an independent council, but this meeting only made it much worse. so what she said today is that she, as you just heard, she fully expects to accept the recommendation, but then twice after that, she said i will accept the recommendation. now she also says, and this is what we've been told by justice department officials earlier, is that this was -- she was going to do this anyway. and there is some support for that because if you look at her comments just two weeks ago, she was on all the sunday morning programs after the shootings in orlando. and she said it on "meet the press," on "fox news sunday," she will let the career prosecutors make the decision and she didn't explicitly say she would accept their recommendation, but that was the pretty strong suggestion of what she was going to do. you're right, quite candid, if i had to do this over, i certainly

wouldn't do it. >> now i want to also explain why this is not a recusal, she could do what john connoren 12 demanding with a special council. she could ret accuse herself entirely. i think we have her explaining to jonathan hancock today in aspen why this is not a resus sal, she'll still be involved in the case. >> i wouldn't be briefed on what the findings were or what the actions going forward would be. and while i don't have a role in those findings in coming up with those findings or making those recommendations as to how to go forward, i'll be briefed on it. >> what she hasn't said is what the sometiming is going to be. as far as we know, the fbi still has not interviewed hillary clinton. >> it seems pretty clear that the justice -- the way this normally works is the fbi investigates, the fbi makes a recommendation or the justice department, now that's always true in any criminal case because the fbi doesn't get to prosecute anybody. that's not their job. they make a recommendation to

justice, it goes to the career folks, what she's saying here is that senior career people will look at it and ultimately she will, but kate asked her today, what's the timing. how soon will you make this decision? and she said i don't know where this case stands, which i think we can conclude, the fbi hasn't yet made a recommendation to her. you know, we don't know when they're going to interview hillary clinton. they go out of their way not to tell us that. it's going to be very hard to figure that out before it happens. i suspect we'll know after it happens. the fbi director was asked is the democratic convention a deadline for you? are you going to try to get this thing wrapped up. we don't have a deadline. we'll finish when we finish. >>. bill clinton getting on her plane, knowing bill clinton and having covered him for decades, this is a man if he sees a

motorcade and you're on a private part of the airport and sees a government plane, he would sty his secret service detail, it's the attorney general, he'd say, oh, let me say hello. i really do not think that we can conclude that he thought he was going to gain some in influence, but what he has unintentionally done is made it worse, potentially, because this is now the talk of a week that was supposed to be all devoted next week to president obama and also joe biden now campaigning with her. >> yes, and of course it comes against a background of republicans, and some others, saying whatever the decision loretta lynch makes, it's going to be tainted because she is is a political appointee. >> pete williams. thank you. very much. >> you bet. complicated day. and donald trump, he's in colorado where he is sure to take a shot at loretta lynch, bill clinton, and everyone. he's been tweeting up a storm this morning. an example, bernie sanders said

hillary clinton has bad judgment, bill's meeting was prably initiated and demanded by hillary, exclamation point. it was a total secret, nobody was to know, but he was caught by a local reporter. nub of these are factually based, let's just say, this is an example. look at what happened with bill clinton, the system's totally rigged, does anybody really believe that meeting was just a coincidence? here's what trump also had to say about last night to sean hannity. >> is this an issue where you think the credibility of a criminal referral comes from the fbi? do you think the attorney general needs to recuse herself? >> well, when it first heard that yesterday afternoon, i actually thought they were joking. i thought the people that told me was, you know, i said no, way, no way that's going to happen. and it happened. and i am just -- i'm flabbergasted by it, i've never seen anything like that before. >> nbc news's katie tourk is in colorado today.

donald trump is sure, sure to try to take advantage of this misstep by the clinton folks. and the attorney general. >> reporter: yeah, regardless of what was actually said in that one on one between loretta lynch and bill clinton, it does certainly fit into the campaign's narrative that the clinton's cannot be trusted. they've been trying to paint a picture of hillary clinton as somebody trying to pull the wool over your eyes as the clintons in general, the people who are out for their own political benefit, not for the benefit of the american people and regardless of what happened in this meeting, it does certainly fit into the narrative that they can't be trusted. and when you speak to even long-time democrats who say that regardless, they will be voting for hillary clinton, they do say that they have a problem actually believing her. they're not entirely sure that she is telling the truth when you talk about her e-mail scandal. this is a weakness in the clinton campaign, the trump campaign is trying to exploit, the issue they have is the issue

that we talk about all the time, the unfavorables for both candidates are so high right now, it almost is a never trump or never clinton decision rather than a i really like donald trump or i really like hillary clinton. >> and katie, of course have confirmed that newt gingrich and chris christie are both being vetted, and mike pence is under consideration as well and will be meeting with donald trump later today or tonight. gingrich and christie, two very big personalities, and controversial in their own right, but they are sort of a good match with him in some ways. >> reporter: well donald trump said he needs somebody with legislative experience, somebody who knows thousand get things do in washington, both christie and gingrich fits that role, gingrich maybe more so than christie since he has deep ties in the establishment. that's going against newt gingrich, criticized donald trump for his judge comments, that is not sitting well entirely in the campaign as i'm

told, and meanwhile, chris christie whose been a good soldier has refused to criticize donald trump at all. and so ultimately, it's going to come down to who does donald trump feel more comfortable with and right now it is a tight race certainly tweenl the two of them. with mike pence coming up, you could see one of the names come out as early as next week. >> katie tur, thanks so much. for more on all of this, who better than mr. hardball. chris matthews. >> what a menu. what a menu you're giving me today. >> where to start? bill clinton, loretta lynch. one is a former constitutional law professor, before he was governor of arkansas, the other is the attorney general, former prosecutor. even democrats, david axelrod tweeting yesterday, chris counce saying they should have known better. >> yeah, but we know bill clinton, he's the big dog. that's his nickname, dawg,

elvis, he's gushing if you meet him. you had a hard time with a journalist, he still says hi. he's friendly. his tail wags when he sees somebody he knows. i know he has a high iq and somewhere said, my god, this person could be prosecuting my wife potentially, potentially, i should say out of this one, but that sort of the super ego, that doesn't work with bill clinton. don't you think it works with him more powerfully? just guessing. the people on the hard right, and adversarial situation will make the most of it. we got into a war of iraq because of a meeting in prague with some meeting -- you know, whatever, you know. something that connect eed 9/11 because of a meeting that may not have ian occurred. >> the bottom line though is this does cast a shadow over the career prosecutor -- >> it has, it forced the attorney general to say what most thought, honor the judgment, the investigation, and the recommendations of the civil servants and the fbi.

and i think the big buzz of d.c., and you've heard it for months, if the fbi believes there's a case against hillary clinton or one of her people, that's probably more like lit one of her people than her if there is such a case. they'll insist on prosecution. and if the head of the fbi doesn't get it, he'll have to resign. he has to defend his troops. that's been the expectation. i'm sure lor ret day lynch has heard that. she wouldn't stand in the way of a good case. what would be her reasoning? >> also point out that what they are investigating is whether there was mishandling of classified intelligence, of classified material because of the use of a private server. >> right. >> that gets to setting up the private server, there is a fairly high bar when you are prosecuting a former cabinet secretary as there was with david petraeus. >> recklessness per se can be in place of a motive. not to avoid foai, so the law is

the bar's not that lie. and by the way, only these cases, i've been working on both sides of the political line, oftentimes the staff person may get the hint, there's always one taking the fifth in the civil consideration. so it's very possible we'll see something happen, but it is interesting they haven't called her yet. that still is a question. although may be building toward it, we don't know. by the the way, doesn't it seem like in this that every time one side like hillary clinton starts building up big numbers in the bolls, some unseen thing -- >> this was a self-inflicted wound. that's kwhast so galling with they were on a roll. >> exactly. >> warren, now she's going to have barack obama with her in north carolina on tuesday. >> how long do you think -- >> and joe biden which brings know pennsylvania. >> how long the silence? >> i'm not going there. >> is that bill? >> on friday, in scranton. we know him well. >> pennsylvania, it's the

birthplace of joe biden, it's where she as a child spent many summers on a lake, her father was born there, the family had a cabin. this is a connection, it'll be bitter sweet because we all know he wanted to run if circumstances had been different, wrestled with that decision, and the other piece is that from talking to people in pennsylvania who are running for statewide office, they think it is very, very tight. much tighter than it should be that donald trump has a lot of sway there with the -- >> i think pennsylvania's wide open. and i think it's the history of being pro-gun, women have not done well in statewide officers there. never a senator or governor for pennsylvania. it's a very tough, sort of old state, people are old in their ways and angry about trade. very angry. this is a ripe piece of fruit, low hanging fruit, i think for trump. >> and in fact in our battleground map out today, we have moved it from leaning democrat too toss up. >> and you know what, mr. october, if the president goes

in october and campaigns the last like he did in '08 and campaigns heavily in german town, north philly, south philly, all around those burgs, you know, if he campaigns and brings out like a half million vote throughout in southeastern pennsylvania, he will wipe out all this other stuff. the liberals in the big city, the minorities in the big city to role roll up the score. that breaks the heart of the republicans in pennsylvania. philly can win the battle. and it's up to obama to deliver. >> mr. pennsylvania. mr. hardball, thank you very much. and of course we'll all be watching hardball tonight. tune in every night in fact on msnbc monday through friday for hardball at 7:00. and up next, the man who asked loretta lynch all those questions today. jonathan capehart joining me right here on msnbc. (vo) stank face. a universal expression of disgust, often caused by inadequate cat litter. if you or your a loved one suffers from stank face,

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only a little over two weeks away from the republican convention, donald trump is getting serious, getting down to his short list of possible running mates. nbc news confirmed that newt gingrich and chris christie with are both being vetted for the josh. and trump is having a meeting in new york this weekend with former congress member, mike pence. another possible candidate for the job. current governor. he is running for reelection, but clearly the vice presidency would be an intriguing other option. strategist and columnist for the hill, john furry. you know all of these people well. pluses and minuses. >> double down on the bombast. newt is a excellent communicators. i think the problem with newt is he as speaker of the house had a hard time running with the house of representatives. expansive of ideas --

>> lack of discipline. he would acknowledge that. >> huge personality. you really have a high voltage ticket there. and no one knows what anyone would say from an earned media perspective, it would be spectacular, the media would love it. the problem is if you look at the gender gap. all of these candidates, i think we have a problem with the gender gap. in a poll, that's trump's biggest problem. and how do you appeal with women with a newt gingrich or chris christie or mike pence? and that's the problem. >> chris christie might have a little bit -- if you look at chris christie campaigning in new hampshire, some of the town hall meeting with it was very approachable, and very effective. >> very effective. p. and he got better as the campaign went on when he talked about his personal experiences dealing with the opioid crisis. that was powerful. christie is another one of these guys is high voltage. and he really, you know, if you wanted someone to go after hillary clinton and really kind of shred people on the stump, he'd be fantastic. and he's a lot more disciplined than newt gingrich.

but you know, also doubles down on the northeast corridor. and many ways donald trump and chris christie kind of the same neighborhood and so geographical inbalance there is -- >> if you talk geography, then mike pence could be on the ticket. that's the midwest, he's the indiana governor. he's been powerful in indiana to a certain extent. he was a former congress, he knows washington. >> and he knows washington very well. and knows congress very well. spence also somebody who really helps you with the social conservatives. social conservativetives, at least movement conservatives are uneasy with donald trump. and that could help bolster trump's kind of get the base out with some of these voters. spence a good guy. he had some problems and he's having a tough time getting reelected in indiana, but he's a really good guy. i think we'll see how they hit it off when they meet. >> which is that reelection campaign, that tough reelection campaign could make it much more appealing to run on a donald trump ticket. that said, donald trump still is

having, shall we say discipline problems, here he's in a town hall meeting yesterday, takes that shot at the mexicans. and interesting that when several of the questioners went off the rails with some of these questions, he didn't correct them the way john mccain did so memorably in donald trump. >> donald trump's greatest advantage, he's not a typical politician. he says things that get a lot of news but a lot of times in a negative way. he is not going to be a disciplined campaigner, he's going to say he's not politically correct. for the media, they say how could this guy possibly keep going if the polls, we'll see. >> let me play you that town hall, it was a gathering as he was giving a trade speech in new hampshire in manchester yesterday. >> and the leadership in those districts, all five of them, deserve great credit.

but -- >> that is clearly not, not donald trump yesterday in manchester, new hampshire, that is chris christie, but we'll get that later in the program. the main point is that he lets people say these things and it was one woman who spoke against muslims and another man has a very in depth question about israel, and he doesn't seem to want to back off, let me see if we can play that now. >> i'm opposed to while pacing military in the middle east on behalf of israel. thank you. >> all right. well let me just tell you that israel is a very, very important ally of the united states. [ applause ] and we are going to protect them 100%. 100%. they've been our most reliable true friend over there, and we are going to protect israel

100%. that was a tough question on israel. that was nasty. whoa. >> justs to mix quickly homeland security and jobs. why aren't we putting our retiree -- our military retirees on that border or in tsa, get rid of the those at tsa, we need the veterans to take it. they fought for the country, they'll still do it. >> okay, thank you. >> and we are looking at that. and we are looking at that. we're looking at a lot of things. >> so he handled the question about israel very well, i thought in terms of giving, you know, his answer on israel. when this woman makes a slur against muslims at tsa, he just said yeah, we are looking. >> it's unclear what it means. what are you going to do, take -- you know, i think if you're talking about veterans and putting them in those jobs, he could have said something like that, they would have been a better answer. talking about we're going to

look at that the in a vague way seemed to think he was agreeing with the question which one wasn't the best thing. >> what a campaign. >> great campaign. fascinating. >> is it good for the country? >> i don't know, we'll see, hopefully. >> thank you. and coming up, out of the shadows into the historic move, the pentagon has lifted the banal on transgender troops serving openly in the military. effective immediately. we'll speak to a captain directly impacted by this policy change right here on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. as. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix definitely helped reduce my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some had seizures while taking chantix. if you have any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse or of seizures. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic

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sage fox, a transgender soldier forced to go on enactive status. let's get your reaction. >> i'm excited, i'm elated. i think this is a huge step forward. we've been working for this for a number of years since repeal don't ask don't tell. they left out the transgender aspect since then and working towards it since that time. my own personal story, i was three years ago i was serving as a male officer, i had come back from the deployment to the middle east. i decided during that deployment that i needed to go through and transition. and i did so joining the break in surface a little bit, took some time off from the reserves, transiti transitioned, they called me become back and said, hey, you can't leave, you have to come back and drill. we have to go through medical review for us since your surgeries that i had for my soldiers. and i said well, the situation is i have legally transitioned at this time and physically, i'm not male anymore. so, i'm not going to go back and

pretend i'm a guy, it's not going to work. so they went through the reviews, they lifted regulations, they advised, talked to legal and they came back and said, well, you're right, regulations are outdated, if we kick you this out this way, you can sue us because they don't match what the current medical policy says. you're a great soldier and great officer, come back and serve again. >> so, have you been back on active duty now? >> i served for about two weeks and transferred me to the enactive reserves. >> and now what happens? >> now since then, i've been going through, i tried to get medical review, i said look, give me disability or let me serve. you can't tell me i'm broke and give me no compensation, and if i'm fit to serve because i'm note broken, let me serve. and i've been doing the activism work, working with state guard and state militia there in

california, but i haven't had a chance to go back and serve. >> is there a process now where the secretary of defense, i heard him say effectively immediately. this is now no long aeroban for service. so is there a legal process where you can go back on active duty? >> since i'm already holding a commission for me it's just a matter of signing some paperwork, making sure i'm physically fit with the basic physical and walking back in and putting the uniform back on and taking command and whatever position i go back into. >> is that what you want to do? >> i've been talking about it, yes. >> congratulations to all of your colleague and fellow troops, this is a very big change. from all the data we've seen and from at least the survey, with the iraq and afghanistan war veterans. there has been no complaint or problem, at least on the don't ask don't tell change in the last five years. only, you know, with an 80% say they have no problem with what they were doing. >> i was in during the enactment and don't ask don't tell repealed as well.

no one complained. we had issued with people talking about the concerns before it was repealed, there were no instances of any issues whatsoever. people i think harassment, few having assaults that kind of stuff. none of of that happened. all of the concerns didn't take place. we had the same thing happen when we talk about equality racial integration, same with women gender integration and repeal don't ask don't tell. it was the same fears time and time again, and each type, it's proved fruitless. nothing's happened. >> captain fox, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. and coming up, loretta lynch on lessoned learned from her predecessor. >> what didn't eric holder tell you about this job? what's the one thing you wish he had told you? >> where the lock on the plane door was. ok team, what if 30,000 people download the new app? we're good. okay... what if a million people download the new app?

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walks the former president of the united states, what were you thinking? at that moment? >> well, as i've said, you know, he said hello and we basically said hello. and i congratulated him on his grandchildren as people tend to do. but it really was a social meeting. and it was, it really was in that regard. he spoke to me, he spoke to my husband for some time on the plane. then we moved on. no matter how i viewed it, i understand how people view it. >> attorney general loretta lynch and her announcement today brings unwelcomed attention for the clinton campaign to the investigation into hillary clinton's private e-mail server. critics, including prominent democrats say the meeting showed bad judgment, just because of the optics. joining me now as political analy analyst, governor, thank you very much for being with us.

what is your reaction to all of this? >> it was a mistake in judgment, but we have to take a deep breath and understand that if there was anything fe fairs you going on, they wouldn't have done it on an airport in public view. they'd do it over the telephone. i mean, let's get serious. i'm sure the conference first of all, i'm 100% belief in attorney general lynch's integrity, i'm sure she's telling the truth, but just common sense would tell grow they were going to have a nefarious conversation, they wouldn't do it in public. we should all shake our heads and say there was no hanky-panky going on. >> of course, what this does is there was already suspicion about how a political appointee, like loretta lynch could be involved in that investigation. the e-mail controversy was at least being overshadowed right now by a lot of good news for

hillary clinton on the campaign trail with elizabeth warren and next week with the president and vice president. >> no question. it's not the best thing to have happened, but let me just give you an example that you know in philadelphia. congressman, a very close ally and one of the earlier supporters of president barack obama was prosecuted by loretta lynch's justice department. and was convicted of all charges, corruption charges, bribery charges, racketeering charges, so this is one of the president's strongest political allies in the state of pennsylvania, and the attorney general's office showed no mercy at all. >> let me does you about pennsylvania because i'm told by people there, people you know very well, some are running for state office that this thing is much tighter than it should be, and in fact, today, nbc news has put pennsylvania in a toss-up state, category rather than leaning democratic. donald trump is doing much better than expected. even though hillary clinton is

marginally ahead of him. >> well, i just saw paul this morning, or late last night that ten points up for secretary clinton, but you and i both know, the -- >> quinnipiac has it as a one-point spread. >> and then there was a poll last night that was a ten-point spread. polls in july have virtually nothing to do with what happens in november. i think it is closer than ten, i think it's bigger than one. look, donald trump has a message for pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, any of the older manufacturing states where people either lost their jobs or they're underemployed because manufacturing has taken a hit in this country. blaming it on trade is a convenient thing and donald trump has always benefitted by having a simplistic, overly simplistic disingenuous message that does resinate. it is touching a nerve. there's no question about that.

but for every one of those blue-collared democrats that donald trump is going to persuade by attacking trade, he's going to lose a suburban republican who he loses based on all the other things he's done, all of the divisiveness, et cetera, i am convinced in the end we will win pennsylvania, it'll be tougher than in the past. we will win pennsylvania and remember, donald trump is a pretty lousy messenger to deliver that pretty good ineffective message because andrea, do you know where trump ties are made? trump suits are made, they're made in mexico. >> i sense a political commercial is going to include that. >> right. so obviously he's not a great messenger to deliver that message. there's a long way to go. and we should not put too much credence in any polls a this the stage. >> governor, there were reports out of philadelphia yesterday that the clinton campaign is considering doing what barack obama did effectively in denver

and moving the final, the acceptance speech to a larger arena, perhaps lynn khan financial. would that be a good idea? >> well, you know, it's always -- you get more enthusiasm with 75, 80,000 people than you do with 19 or 2 20,000 people. i've received requested, i've received about 40,000 requests to be there on thursday night, which of course we can't accommodate. but no, i think the enthusiasm for secretary clinton in philadelphia is overwhelming. bill clinton always did tremendously well in philadelphia. i think the public at large would love to hear hillary's acceptance speech. i would recommend it, but there are also a lot of logistical problems with moving it outdoors, and again it depends on the weather. we were going to go outdoors in charlotte, but it was raining hard and we decided no stay indoors. we were outdoors in denver for

then senator obama's acceptance speech. >> so it would be a good idea if you could work it out. it's still being considered? >> i'm not on the inside of those conversations. i have recommended it, but again, i just think it would be a great idea because i know the level of enthusiasm that would be there. >> governor redskndell, we'll b there as well. thank you for today. and coming up next, more on battleground usa. we'll break down the other states on the new nbc news election map right here on msnbc.

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joining me now, chris alyssa, msnbc contributor and founder of the fix blog and correspondent for the washington post. thanks so much to both of you. let's talk about the battleground map because chris and ann, there are some big changes today in our new map. i referred earlier to pennsylvania now being in the toss-up state, category, as well a nevada that had been leaning democrat, and now we're putting it in toss up. we have given florida from toss up to cleaning democratic. it could be a big thing if you could build on that. utah has gone from likely republican to leading republican. mississippi, montana, from leaning republican to likely republican. new jersey from leaning democratic to likely democratic. so those are some of the big changes right now. chris, when we talk about, you know, pennsylvania and florida, if pennsylvania goes republican that would likely mean that trump's message is resinating in

ohio, michigan, and elsewhere in the u.s. that would spell big trouble for the clinton campaign. >> that's the key andrea, i was going to say, moving forward in the 29 electoral vote cancelled out pennsylvania and nevada. there's more electoral votes in florida than in those two in mind. but what would matter is trump's competitiveness in pennsylvania. you would think would translate into competitiveness in the upper midwest as you say, michigan, wisconsin, iowa, those are places ohio, those are places he has to be competitive. he has to find ways to put big population, big electoral vote states more in play than they are today. if it stays anywhere like in today in terms of overall map. it's hard for him to win and i would say, that's the representative of donald trump. if ted cruz won the nomination, the same thing. the electoral map today and this was true in 2008 and in 2012,

clearly favors the democratic party. >> and who would be the better pick? gingrich or chris christie if those are your choices or mike pence? >> well, certainly pence has the geographic credibility and some kind of on the ground understanding of rust belt politics, post-industrial politics. he would check that box. he's, you know, very, very conservave wch would also go a good distance to addressing one of trump's potential deficits, but if you want someone who can really explain the message of why that, you know, kind of get through -- to why trump could help, why trump could address trade, address bringing back the meet on the bones, some of the things that trump says are his goals,

certainly newt gingrich has the historical background and the rhetorical skills to do a lot of that for him. >> and ann and chris, one of your colleagues, columnist from the washington post jonathan capehearth is joining us where he just interviewed loretta lynch which we have been showing. jonathan, that was not an easy moment because you had to in front of a live audience take on a major controversy and did it with such finesse, but she really did acknowledge that this has -- that she said painfully and seriously how this has unfortunately clouted the work of her career of prosecutors. >> yes. and you know, loretta lynch is someone who in new york city, in legal circles, and in, you know, battle circles is known as someone who has high standards of integrity, who have sound judgment, and so for, you know,

what happened in phoenix to happen has, i think, just sort of shocked everyone that this happened. and i think what we saw in that interview on stage, i just had a ten-minute sit down with her where we pretty much went over the same ground. it is incredibly important to her and for her that she maintained the integrity, not just for herself, but for the department of justice as a whole. i think she said on stage that it is very important to her that the american people have confidence in the judicial process and have confidence in the department of justice and so what she did on stage and what she did when we had an interviewing was to reiterate the process going forward of what's going to happen on the e-mail inquiry and what her the

role of career prosecutors and investigators will be. >> and chris alyssa, i wanted to bring you back in the conversation. >> sure. >> do you think that what loretta lynch said to jonathan here is going to put it to rest? or will there continue to be calls as there was from the senator for a special council or for other steps to actually recuse yourself beyond what she's done? >> it will not put it to rest. this will come to a surprise to no one who pays attention to politics. i thought she acquitted herself as to be expected in that conversation with jonathan. she said all the right things in terms of, you know, this is something that if i had to do over again, i wouldn't have done, that sort of thing. the problem here is that the perception of the former president of the united states whose wife is about to be the democratic nominee who happens to be part of a broader investigation, being run by the fbi, meeting with the person who runs the justice department, even if they did only exchange employee pleasantries, the only people that know that are bill

clinton and loretta lynch. so for the average person who sees this to the extent that they do see it, it just is perception wise not good, and i'm stunned, jonathan talked about it from loretta lynch's perspective, i'll talk about it from bill clinton's perspective, he is a smart, able politician. he did not get elected president of the united states twice by accident, he has to know that doing this is not politically sound. and that, of course, people will jump to conclusions. >> and jonathan, loretta lynch's level of regret as to this whole episode? >> i think on a scale of one to ten, her level of regret is 10 plus. we have to keep in mind that loretta lynch is someone who has taken her job as a federal prosecutor when she was u.s. attorney for the eastern district, not once, but twice that also her role as attorney general, she holds the responsibility of that job in

the highest regard. and that's why i said at the beginning, her reputation for integrity and sound judgment is something she has worked very hard to obtain and maintain and to have what happened in phoenix cloud that, i think we saw in the interview hurts her both personally, but also professionally. and she's very concerned more than for herself than for the people inside the justice department who will be doing the work there long after she is no longer attorney general. >> jonathan, thanks for calling in. i know there's a been a lot of pressure on this today. we appreciate that. and chris alyssa and ann garrett. everyone have a safe and sound fourth and we'll be back on the political trail next week. and coming up on the front lines against isis. nbc's richard angle aboard the uss eisenhower, right next on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. ed. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one.

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