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i want you to listen to something that happened on "a.m. joy" a couple of months ago. my theory here, i'll own it, is that donald trump is going to want to pick somebody who is from washington but seems like he would challenge washington, that has some washington governing experience, who has run for president before, that he sees as presidential in his view, but wouldn't overshadow him by being either younger than him or somehow more charismatic than him. to me newt gingrich fits those criteria. >> i hate to say i told you so. no, actually i like to say i told you so. you heard it on "a.m. joy" two months ago, and two weeks ago it happened. newt gingrich is number one in the veep stakes to join donald trump on the presidential ticket. behind him, trump's short list is new jersey governor chris christie. both are being considered as trump campaigns this week and

they began the formal vetting process for running mates. more than half a dozen other names are being discussed, according to "the washington post," including indiana governor mike pence who is being formally vetted and is expected to meet with trump this weekend. according to indiana law he would have to choose between running for veep and running for reelection. liz smith worked on the former martin o'malley campaign. howard dean and hogan didley. 0 hogan, you'll go first because this is your party. what do you think of my prediction, and i'll stick with it, that newt gingrich will be the guy? do you think it's possible and do you have any intel on whether it's probable? >> you should probably change your hyphenated name to joy

reid-kno reid-no, s rei reid-nostradamus. he satisfies the republican base that wants to overturn the tables and get stuff done. he also play indicates the establishment because he's not a wild bomb thrower. he's extremely sharp and witty, a good debater. newt gingrich went to school in columbus, georgia, didn't go to a private school. he's got some common man to him as well. people love him on our side. he does have some challenges in his personal life which takes away from one of the major things that donald trump has been hammering hillary with, because you could point to him and say, what about newt gingrich. all of the candidates have flaws, and the question is which has a fatal flaw. i'm not sure newt gingrich has one as yet. and he had major victories against a democratic candidate,

bill clinton. he's got some accomplishments against the clintons too. he's a very attractive pick for republican voters. >> howard dean, that clinton point is important, he's also a very, shall we say, practiced attacker of the clintons as a couple, having gone after president bill clinton through impeachment. he's very good at that. those things do seem to recommend newt gingrich. i think the personal life, the personal flaws, the six wives between them, in a way he almost distracts from donald trump's problem with his own, right? >> yeah, you know, i don't think people at the end of the day, personal flaws make that much difference. i do think even newt, who is a great debater, will have a hard time persuading the american people that clinton had nothing to do with balancing the budget for four years, creating all those jobs, and in fact was newt gingrich's partner in making sure welfare reform got done. i'll tell you what will help

him, though. he does know policy inside and out. he does know washington. trump doesn't know anything about either one of those. so i don't think it's a bad pick at all. i think it would be fascinating. >> at the same time, liz, you do also have a guy who called barack obama a food stamp president, who said some incredibly incendiary things about not only this president but about democrats, who has been known to have some issues of his own including his wife's 100,000 tiffany tab, on and on. this is not a flawless guy. he's considered incredibly bungling in a lot of ways, ethics problems, et cetera. >> right. he's someone who was run out of town by his caucus in washington. i want to make a different case for who i think is going to be the vice president. i think it's going to be chris christie. >> okay. >> chris christie did to new jersey what donald trump want to do to america. he was more concerned with being the entertainer in chief than being a serious governor. he's been making rash decisions

like cancelling the tunnel to new york, like slashing funding for students in poor districts. we all know about bridge-gate. one of the first things he did as governor was to slash funding for the public television channel in new jersey because one of the reporters there did very good coverage that christie considered unfair. that's completely out of donald trump's play book. the third thing i would say is christie has cared so little about new jersey's fiscal well-being that he oversaw nine bond rating downgrades. that's very similar to trump now, saying he's default on the u.s. debt. if we want to see what donald trump will do to the u.s., we should look at what chris christie did in new jersey. and this is bankrupting the taj mahal casino, they share that in common, they can talk about how

they disrobestroyed the atlanti this boardwalk, screaming at teachers, mad at them for criticizing him for using his chopper to go to his son's game. i think there is a good case for chris christie, what do you think? >> i agree with a lot of what's been said. look, i like chris christie. i don't think he's necessarily a good pick here because of some of the baggage he has. he's not popular in new jersey right now. remember, he was vetted in 2012 did i mi by mitt romney and did not make the cut. one of the books that halperin wrote mentioned how the romney people were concerned about chris christie's baggage. to me, donald trump is all the bravado and all the bluster you need on a ticket. you put two of them on there, and speaking as a southerner, he's just two yankees yelling at folks, and i don't think that's necessarily the best face for the republican party. i do think chris christie is a good debater. he can get around some of the

problems liz pointed out. but to me it seems like christie is a better adviser to donald trump. he needs someone different than chris christie on the ticket this time. >> newt gingrich is not exactly a wall flower here. i think that we are all overestimating the extent to which they have a vetting operation. >> that's a good point. howard dean, it seems like the reporting indicates there is no committee, this is simple donald trump deciding who he wants. and all of the tea leaf reading that i've heard, the back channelling you hear around this, is that he likes newt gingrich personally, that he wants someone to run the country, let's be honest, he doesn't want the hard work of being president, he wants someone to do it for him, and there are a lot of people who might want the job but he doesn't have the pickings of all the republican stars.

newt gingrich has no political future at stake, he has nothing to lose. doesn't it seem that donald trump is doing this on his own based on his own likes and desires? >> two things. first, i agree with you about mike pence. mike pence as a future as potential governor of indiana for a second term. that's going to disappear if he takes this. i agree a serious politician who wants to be president one day, a paul ryan or something like that, being the vice presidential candidate for donald trump would be an enormous risk, an enormous risk, because there's a reasonably decent chance the whole thing is going to collapse in flames. and the vice presidential candidate is going to get dragged into that. newt is very funny about this, he said the other day, i don't expect to be vetted because i think donald trump will make the decision by himself two days before the convention. and i think that's probably about right. >> and he's already flip-flopped on nafta. newt gingrich happened to have been the speaker of the house when nafta passed, was ratified

by the congress, but now he's decided he's antitrade. i have to say from a strategist point of view, hogan, isn't it more likely that somebody who doesn't see themselves, let's say, running for president in 2020, wanting to have that political future, it's really got to be somebody who's kind of at the sunset of their career, who doesn't mind gambling on the trump brand, isn't that a real scientific assessment? >> that's realistic. look, we all know that no one really votes for the vice president in typical years. the region they're from doesn't necessarily matter either. bill clinton picked al gore, tennessee and arkansas are contiguous. i don't think that's the issue. the thing you try to do with a vp pick is to supplant the issues you have, backfill where you have weaknesses. newt gingrich checks those boxes for donald trump. i'm not sure when the decision will be made, as governor dean pointed out, it could just be

trump on a whim. but gingrich really does check a lot of the boxes that need to be checked. he has those issues as we discussed, and they would play out in the press should he be the pick. but as far as the -- being in the twilight of his career, look, barack obama picked joe biden. he knew he needed somebody who had some experience, who could get things accomplished. gingrich is that person. quite frankly, it is kind of the best of all words because he is at the end of his career, he's not going to run again. he can bring some civility to the debate, some sharpness, some wit, and some experience in washington. he has up and down run circles around his own republican colleagues, around democrats. we like him. we think of him as a statesman even though he may not be. and that's not point. he should be on the ticket for those reasons alone. >> i think civility we're not so sure about. >> in comparison. it's a sliding scale. >> it's all relative, very well

put, hogan. >> a sliding scale! >> if it's gingrich, who would you want to see debating him in the vice presidential debate? i'll let you go first, governor dean. >> i'm not in the business of picking the vice presidential nomination, that's for hillary clinton. >> you have to tell me, warren or kaine. >> i mean, who knows? it could be warren, it could be kaine, it could be somebody we aren't thinking about who is under 50, which is what i'm pushing for, somebody under 50. newt is a good debater, it will be an interesting vice presidential debate no matter who is up against him. >> such a good politician. liz? >> elizabeth warren no question, she is so fierce and she'll be able to disassemble everything he says. >> as usual, the lady on the panel has the answer. thank you, guys. coming up, our friend jonathan capehart had the chance to sit down with attorney general loretta lynch and talk about her

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what on earth was she thinking, talking to bill clinton? so what on earth were you thinking? >> certainly my meeting with him raises questions and concerns. and so believe me, i completely get that question.

and i think it is the question of the day. i think the issue is, again, what is my role in how that matter is going to be resolved. >> attorney general loretta lynch has been under fire from republicans and democrats alike this week after a chance meeting with president bill clinton on monday. president clinton and lynch were at the same phoenix airport when the former president sent word that he would like to say hello to the ag, upon learning that lynch's plane was on the same tarmac as his. the meeting apparently went on for 30 minutes. in light of the fbi investigation into hillary clinton's private e-mail server. lynch said it was a purely social encounter and the conversation was mostly about golf and grandchildren. hillary clinton is expected to interview with the fbi in coming days, perhaps as soon as today, an indication that the e-mail investigation may be coming to a close. "washington post" writer and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart joins me now.

kudos again, congratulations on getting that interview, such fortuitous timing for you, jonathan. >> i know. >> are you satisfied in your view, just from a journalist particular point of view, that this was an innocent overencounter? >> yes, i am. i rewatched the entire interview yesterday. and again, i had a sit-down with the attorney general after that, after this "before a live audience" interview. this is a situation where she was caught by surprise and understood immediately the implications, the optics of it all, how horrible it was. you notice in the clip you showed and through my consistent pressing of her about whether it was a mistake, would you do it over again, what she she thinking, she goes right to the implications of this and what she's trying to do to make it

clear to people that no, the system is not rigged, nothing untoward is happening, here is how the process works. she doesn't do anything that throws president bill clinton under the bus. she doesn't say it was all his fault. she doesn't say that i wish he hadn't gotten on my plane. and i think for her, this ultimate issue is how this impact not only just her personal integrity and her incredible reputation for solid judgment, but also what it means, and this is more important, i think, to her, what it means for the people of the justice department and what it means to the american people about the effectiveness and the impartiality of the justice department. >> this is the part of the interview you're describing when she responds to the question of what she would say to people who suggest the system at the doj is

rigged. take a look. >> take a look at work that we do, look at the matters we work on every day, whether they involve a high process matter or a matter where you've any heard of the person. look at the victims we deal with every day. look at the people that we protect every day. because that's our mission. and to the extent that this issue has over shadshadowed tha mission, yes, that's painful to me. >> so, you know, jonathan, do you think at the end of the day that she will face calls for a special prosecutor? we've heard some talk about that on the other side. is the attorney general concerned that this may actually prolong this investigation because republicans then decide that despite what she just said, she's not im paragrappartial? >> that's a good question. and i did not ask her that specific question. let's remember, republicans have been calling for a special prosecutor from almost the very beginning. and so i think from the attorney gener general's point of view, it was, this thing happened, getting right out in front of it, being

very transport. remember, by the time she sat down with me yesterday here in aspen, she had done two press conferences in the previous days, willingly talking about what happened, answering questions directly about what happened, not cancelling on me yesterday and instead of doing the planned speech that she was going to give on criminal justice reform, scrabbpping it d saying let's sit down and go right at it. i think what she's trying to do is make it clear to the american people, and also to the people who have known her for her reputation of solid judgment and integrity, that she gets it and wants to make things right. >> at the risk of taking seriously much of this, because sometimes donald trump is being over the top and being sort of silly when he's talking to his crowds, but this is the one thing he said about loretta lynch that i think kind of comports with what a lot of people thought when they heard that this meeting actually went on for 30 minutes. take a listen. >> bill clinton goes in the other day, into an airplane,

just happened to be, oh, just a coincidence. he just happened to be at the airport at this time. think of it. just happened to be at the airport. he was talking about golf and grandchildren. i love my grandchildren so much. but if i talk about them for more than about nine or ten seconds -- i love that one, i love, love, love that one, and look at the beautiful -- i love these kids. after that, what are you going to say, right? >> jonathan, i think most people can talk about their grandkids for more than nine or ten seconds. >> exactly. >> but that is a point that, whether or not you're a donald trump supporter, is a good point. does that sound realistic to you? >> yes. >> and given the fact that it's bill clinton. >> yes. it is realistic to me. and, you know, i sort of bristle at the notion that this was a meeting. "meeting" sounds like this was something planned, scheduled, on the books, and that they had an

agenda. what this really was was a social call. bill clinton did the same thing a month or two ago with senator ted cruz. they had a meeting on the tarmac. but again, senator cruz is not under investigation. but when you listen to loretta lynch talk about what they talked about, you get the distinct impression that the person who did most of the talking in those 30 minutes what is not loretta lynch, it was bill clinton, from the grandkids to the golf game to the summer travels, clearly this was a person who saw that there's an old friend there on the tarmac, want to go say hi, and what should never have happened turned into a 30-minute disaster for both of them. >> i don't personally know bill clinton but i know people who know him, and he's a gregarious fellow who loves the talk. >> no one is surprised by what happened. >> i don't think anyone has also been sent a note that the former

president of the united states wants to chat with them, i don't think that's something any of us can relate to. jonathan capehart is celebrating a birthday today, there is our happy birthday graphic. have a wonderful time in beautiful colorado, my former home state. enjoy. >> thanks. >> cheers. up next, almost five years and eight congressional investigations later, can we finally, finally say bye-bye to the benghazi drama? stay with us. , i'm matt mccoy. how long have you had your car insurance? i ask because i had mine for over 20 years, before i switched and saved hundreds with the aarp auto insurance program from the hartford. i had done a lot of comparison shopping. the rate was like half of what i was paying. [ female announcer ] $420 is the average amount drivers save when they switch to the aarp auto insurance program from the hartford. you know, it makes me wonder why everyone 50 and over hasn't switched. [ female announcer ] how much could you save? if you're age 50 or over, call now to request your free quote.

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this week, the release of the house benghazi report wrapped up what "the new york times" called one of the longest, costliest, and bitterly partisan investigations in history. but washington republicans, on the hunt for accountability or political gain in the benghazi attacks, for them, will the eighth time be the charm? congressional republicans this week cast themselves in their very own version of the '70s

classic "eight is enough" with the conclusion of the eighth investigation into the benghazi attack. that makes benghazi congress's most investigated major terror incident. the house republican select committee put two years and $7 million into the massive 800-page report summarizing the investigation's findings. the most dramatic moment of which was hillary clinton's 11-hour marathon hearing in october. what do they have to show for it? besides the enduring obsession with e-mail-gate, not much that we didn't already know. the report reharks a lshes a lo what we already learned in the previous seven investigations. what is missing is evidence of wrongdoing by hillary clinton, which, to hear committee chairman trey gowdy tells it, was besides the point. >> if you conclude that it was

about one person as opposed to four people, i will be shocked. >> he says the report was not out to attack hillary clinton, but that was disputed his some of his colleagues who released a separate report. it's republicans themselves who provided the best evidence for democratic party claims that the gop obsession with benghazi is less about seeking accountability than taking the wind out of clinton's run for the presidency. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. >> this may not be politically correct, but i think that there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, hillary clinton. >> republicans won't finalize the report until they vote to accept its findings on july 8th.

that just happens to be ten days before the start of the gop national convention in cleveland, which means it's a safe bet that we're a long way from saying bye-bye to benghazi. the house benghazi committee is not done yet because just a day after releasing the report, they decided to make yet another addition, an interview with a facebook user with a very interesting hashtag. i'll talk to congressman elijah cummings, next.

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characterize this report. but i think it's pretty clear it's time to move on. >> joining me now is maryland congressman elijah cummings. thank you, mr. congressman, for being here. you've been the chief interlocutor with your opponents on the other side of the aisle and the chief truth teller in the minds of a lot of democrats about what's really going on on that committee. next week, the benghazi select committee will interview one more witness. this is a gentleman who created a hashtag and has been using it called, if you vote for hillary you are beyond stupid. why in your view is somebody with that kind of a hashtag being interviewed by the committee? >> first of all, let me say it

seems as if, sadly, the republicans are addicted to benghazi. they don't want it to come to an end. and this is a man who, like you said, he put something on facebook. and they felt the need to interview him. they want this to go on and on and on. $7 million plus being spent, an unlimited budget. by the way, that $7 million is taxpayer dollars, to basically do exactly what? what mccarthy said, to derail hillary clinton's campaign. and so -- and i think basically, joy, everything -- you know, when you think about what mccarthy said, and then you look at the things that have happened in this investigation, it seems that republicans on the committee have bared out exactly

what mccarthy said this was all about. >> to your view, was anything discovered in this select committee investigation that was different from the previous seven investigations that were done? >> i think what they did was they tried to find every single person who may have known anything about it, but the basic fact is that there was nothing new to change the fact that many of these things had already been debunked. and they brought out as new the same old things that had been brought out before. they claimed they were new. as late as the last 24 hours, chairman gowdy has been touting things as new that were brought out in hearings in the oversight committee that he and i sit on, and other committees, claiming they were new, but they were not new. and joy, the thing i think that pains me more than anything else is that when we first started this, we said that we were going to defend the truth. the democrats said that's what

we were going to do. and the families came in, joy, and begged us. they only begged for three things. they said, do not make this a political football, find out as much of the facts as you can, we want closure, then they said, do everything that you can to make sure this doesn't happen again. but one of the other things they were begging for was integrity. and the way this has proceeded, hiding of evidence by the republicans, not giving us access to transcripts, issuing the report, the final report, to the media maybe 13, 14 hours at least before we even get it, not even notifying us, we asking to be a part of this bipartisan effort. it's about integrity. and i think the families and the american people deserve that. and i just don't think it was here. >> and the four people who were killed, we don't hear their names as much, chris stevens,

sean smith, tyrone woods, and glen doherty. a lot of people forget that e-mail-gate, as people call it, was one of the fruits of the benghazi investigations. was there anything you saw as a member of the select committee that indicated wrongdoing or illegality or the deliberate sharing of classified information by hillary clinton through her private e-mail? >> i did not see that. and i think the key is that a lot of these things, joy, were classified after the fact. and one of the things that i've been saying that we should have been able to get out of this is a better way of classifying documents. in other words, if you have documents, classify them from the beginning so people know they are classified.

you don't classify them after the fact and then say, uh-oh, you did something wrong when you don't even know it. but as far as the server is concerned, i think hillary clinton has made it clear that she shouldn't have done it that way. whether it was illegal, i don't think so. and so, again, i describe this whole situation as one of destruction and distraction. destruction of hillary clinton's campaign, but distraction from the brave men who performed that night, who saved other americans, and then four great americans, including our ambassador, who died, and the families. we got distracted from the very things that we should have been concentrating on. finally, let me say this, joy, because i don't want this to get past. the democrats asked, the first

two hearings that we had were the ones that we suggested, the democrats, and that is that we look at the recommendations that already been made by the accountability review board, and figure out exactly where the state department and others were with regard to those recommendations, to keep our folks safe overseas. and so i understand that now 26 of the 29 had been completed. there are three that are still in the works but just about finished. so that is a good thing. but again, the way it was conducted, it has to leave the public with a question mark in their minds as to why are they spending $7 million of taxpayer dollars to derail somebody's campaign? that's the sad part of all of this. >> and very quickly, just to change the topic for one moment, sir, next week speaker ryan has said that he's going to allow a vote on a gun bill. this is the nra-approved gun

bill to make it more difficult for people on the terrorist watch list to buy guns. will it pass and will democrats support it? >> i don't think so, because again, this is something that didn't do well in the senate, and i don't think it will do well in the house. one of the things speaker ryan needs to understand is that the demonstrations will not end. these are matters that when the american people are saying to the tune of 85 to 92% that they want reasonable gun safety laws, it's going to go on. and he will not bring those kinds of reasonable -- that reasonable legislation to the floor. it will not end. >> congressman elijah cummings, who i will go ahead and put it out there and say is one of the most effective members of the united states congress. thank you so much, you give us so much information. we appreciate all that you do. thank you. >> thank you. still to come, donald trump and sarah palin back together again. are they double trouble for the gop? more "a.m. joy" ahead. rthritis, and you're talking to your doctor about your medication...

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they call themselves that game, they call themselves the never hashtag -- okay. oh, well -- i just call them republicans against trump. or r.a.t. for short. at such a time as this, you cannot be lukewarm. we're going to take our country back and you're either with us or you're against us. [ cheers and applause ] >> r.a.t.! sarah pal in was echoing donald trump this week, who spent as much time battling fellow

republicans as taking on hillary clinton. >> i have guys out there, and they're really sore losers if you think about it. but just remember this. they signed a pledge saying they will abide, saying they will back the candidate of the party. and now they sit back, and the pledge is out there, and the press doesn't even go after them on that. they broke their word. in my opinion they should never be allowed to run for public office again because what they did was disgraceful. >> joining me back is liz smith, and radio host extraordinaire and sometime dance partner hogan diddley. i have to play you, given that you are of the comedic varietal, the best sarah palin sound bite

in history, ever. she is continuing to talk about the reaction of republicans to their nominee. >> you're setting a high bar. >> it's a high bar. >> to me, to see the exploding heads keep exploding over this movement, because it seems so obvious, trump wins, america will win, because voters are so sick and tired of being betrayed. >> your witness on the exploding heads. >> i thank her for being an adjective factory. trump says what we think, he's hero for those americans who always wanted to vote for boss hogg from "dukes of hazard." the strategic deployment of sarah palin is well-instructed. she distracts the easily amused

from the complete lack of narrative. i object to people calling her an opening act for donald trump. on a comedic level, she's a solid middle. >> all i can say, before i throw it to you, is them dukes, them dukes. do we have a problem when donald trump is having trouble finding somebody to be at his convention when he's taking sarah palin out on the road? >> what's been so effective for hillary clinton is she'll give a speech and it's followed up immediately by barack obama giving the same type speech, joe biden giving the same speech, then elizabeth warren. the one, two, three, four punch is absolutely amazing and coordinated on the democrat side. republicans don't have that right now. as you just pointed out, donald trump is looking to someone like sarah palin. now, is she the best person to articulate our message? i'm not sure about that. but she does pointed to

something significant within the party structure, and that is republicans have absolutely been rolled by barack obama at every single turn. here is a stat for you. republicans in congress voted with barack obama 54% of the time. we put them in office, our blood, sweat, and tears, and they vote with him 55% of the time. i know you guys don't like these particular topics, but let's say for a minute, republicans are angry because these folks got in office, we still have obamacare, we still have abortion, we still have horrible taxes, we still have syrian refugee relocation. her point is, what have these republicans given us? quite frankly they've given us nothing. her attempts to rally the republicans around donald trump, though, may fall a little flat, because again, as we discussed, it's got to be trump who rallies those folks. there is a small niche within the republican party who still turn out for sarah palin, who still love sarah palin and enjoy the words like r.a.t. and the

comparisons there. >> let's get liz in here. >> and news flash, hogan, obamacare and abortion are here to stay. going back to sarah palin, there is a saying, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. calling republicans rats is pretty bitter vinegar right there. from a broader perspective, i don't understand the political calculus behind bringing her out. the gop establishment doesn't like her. people in the middle, democrats don't like her. add this to the long list of baffling things donald trump has done. >> if there's a strategy here on the part of donald trump, not only is she somebody who is willing to go on the stump with him, but i want to play you something from mitch mcconnell. what hogan said is what republicans actually feel, that they elected these people who have promised them they would overthrow barack obama, virtually. they haven't been able to do

that. they never explained to them that there's actual procedure in congress that prevents them from being able to rip away obamacare. >> and they're guilty of working with him. >> they didn't really work with him, mitch mcconnell said he wanted obama to be a one-term president, that was his goal. listen to mcconnell talking about donald trump. >> my hope is he's beginning to pivot and become what i would call a more serious and credible candidate for the highest office in the land. >> at the moment i hear you saying he doesn't meet that threshold. >> he's getting closer. >> the idea is that people like mitch mcconnell want to turn donald trump into paul ryan, which is exactly the opposite of what the base of the republican party has clearly stated that they want. >> mitch mcconnell really wants to remain the boss of the senate. that's what this is all about for the gop. the democrats, even the ones who don't like secretary clinton, are recognizing that for them it's all about the supreme court. for the gop, it's all about hanging onto control of the senate. in this case it's quite embarrassing for mitch mcconnell, but what you see is

sarah palin, and again, it does make sense for mr. trump to deploy her, because she's rating crack just like he is. we're talking about them both. sarah palin is a politician who became a reality star. donald trump is a reality star who has become a politician. it's easy to see why it's embarrassing for senator mcconnell. at the same time he needs all the support he can get. it's just that pivoting did not get trump the nomination. >> i want to play you one more little piece. it does seem that donald trump and sarah palin are kind of the same candidate, i've said they might be the same person. they both speak about the republican establishment the way the base probably does at home. here is the thing. the part of the party that donald trump needs, he's got the sarah palin wing, he needs the mike lee wing of the party. >> right. >> i want you to listen to mike lee talking about whether he would ever be on the ticket with donald trump and going off on him. this is on news max. take a listen. >> we can get into the fact that he accused my best friend's father of conspiring to kill jfk. we can go through the fact that

he's made some statements that some have identified correctly as religionsly intolerant. we can get into the fact that he's wildly unpopular in my state in part because my state consists of members of a religious minority church, a people who were ordered exterminated by the governor of missouri in 1938, and statements like that make them nervous. >> mike lee is from utah, from the ultraconservative wing of the party. he's talking about the conspiracy theory about ted cruz's father that donald trump put forward. how much trouble is he in if he can't get the mike lee wing of the party behind him? >> going back to your point, donald trump and sarah palin represent the id of the republican party, they embody the worst instincts of the gop. to the question of seriousness and credibility that mike lee brought up, i can't imagine a

worse person to trot out than sarah palin, because she really embodies unseriousness and a complete lack of credibility. again, a very baffling choice. >> sarah palin was put on the ticket by john mccain in order to get base republicans behind him. she produced the smallest gender gap among white married women than the republican party had in three elections. a woman on the ticket made the gender gap less for republicans, making it worse for women. after the break, it's a battle of the apprenti. two former contestants who disagree with donald trump will join us to tell us why. and whose side are you when it comes to trade? you may be surprised who is lining up with whom. (war drums beating) fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums.

i don't like excuses.

in this case a.m.merosa has to . you're fired. >> thanks for the opportunity to be here. >> amerosa was fired and now has different views on whether donald trump should be the president of the united states. >> i cannot believe you started with a clip of me being fired in front of 25 million people. >> you owned it even in that moment. >> they cut my click of getting hired. that's fair. >> all right. let's talk about first of all your differences on "the apprentice." the reason we started with that clip is that you went from that moment with donald trump to being really his biggest supporter or one of his biggest supporters. why is that? >> donald and i have a long history. 13 years ago "the apprentice"

launched and changed the face of television. 28 million persons tuned into a show that captivated the audience. we collected. i would go on to appear on "celebrity apprentice," "celebrity apprentice all stars," and if he has one to come, i'll be on it. we have a special friendship. >> on your side, randall, you won "the apprentice," you worked with him, that's part of what you win when you go on "the apprentice." what is it about him that convinced you that he's not fit to be president? >> i worked with donald for a year. i saw him up close and personal, working for the trump organization. i saw his bombastic personality, the larger than life ego, et cetera. but really, as i've seen him enter the political world and i've evaluated him as a leader for this country, his position on muslims, his position on black lives matter protesters,

his comments on judge curiel and his inability to be objective about the trump university case, he's shown consistently a pattern of being unfit for president. while i saw signs of it on the show, it really became concerning and alarming and frightening, to be truthful, when i saw him on the political stage. >> i'll ask both of you this question. did you see signs of these sort of odd -- maybe not odd, because a lot of people hold them, these racial views that are incredibly polarizing and some would say racially insensitive, i'll put it that way. >> i grew up outside of new york. i know donald trump's history about the central park jogger, took out an ad attacking the suspects who were later exonerated, no apology. i knew donald had an excessive history with race. hold on, let me finish. i've seen donald's history with these issues. we had a bump with that with my finale. i would not have predicted what we've seen on the campaign trail. >> joy, i think it's interesting

that randall says he knows donald, he grew up in the new york area, he knew his background, yet he went on the show to be a part of donald trump's organization. listen, randall and i will always be on the same side, even when we're on different teams, because i respect him, i know his work, i know his family, i love the guy. but you know what, i think it's very interesting that he would say i know all about donald and i wanted to work for him and now he's a part of this never trump movement. >> your point, amerosa, and i love you and your family as well, but your point validates mine, which is that i know donald, having worked with donald. and i wouldn't come forward with the views that i have on donald if it weren't for the fact that i put my patriotism for my country above my relationship with donald. i just don't think he's fit to be president. >> on this point of donald trump as a businessperson, i want to come to you on this first, amerosa. we just had yesterday a strike by workers at the taj mahal casino in new jersey.

donald trump no longer owns the. part of the reason why he doesn't own it anymore is it went bankrupt under his leadership. there was an epic "associated press" story this week that talked about the millions of dollars in payments to contractors that weren't made. wait a second. hold on. there were a lot -- hold on. there's a lot of contractors who went bankrupt because donald trump owed them millions of dollars. ultimately it was taken to bankruptcy. his friend carl icahn bought it. but he was able to keep a licensing deal to get paid for his name. is donald trump a good businessman in your view? >> i appreciate the five questions in one. i'm going to just try to take one at a time. first of all, there was a massive collapse in the gaming industry in atlantic city. not just with the trump casinos but with all of them. every one of them took a hit. there were many, many casinos who had to close as a result of the turn in that particular industry. so to just isolate donald trump as if his casino was the only one impacted by the economic

downturn, i think is a little ironic. so let's just start there. yes, there was an interesting story. but there were some factual inaccuracies in that story. donald trump negotiated a deal so he would come out not on the bottom. he's going to negotiate the same kind of deal for the american people. >> we don't have unlimited time. hold on, amerosa. before the casino went bankrupt, and not all the ones in atlantic city went bankrupt. wait a second. before it even went bankrupt, donald trump stiffed contractors who did work for him, some of whom he owed millions of dollars in contracts. even before the bankruptcy. why didn't he pay those contractors? >> that's ununsubstantiated. >> they say they're waiting to be paid. >> we need to present the facts and not one side of the story. >> the associated press did an extensive review of this, they

interviewed many of these contractors. they weren't paid. >> let me speak from my experience. >> let's let randall in. >> shortly after i was hired for the trump organization, one of the things i noticed on a regular basis was people coming to me saying, donald took advantage of me, donald didn't pay me, donald took advantage of me in business. and they ended up feeling taken advantage of. i think we see a pattern with donald of signing on to projects with questionable business partners, people signing on because they trust in donald. the project failing, donald taking no responsibility, then leading to a lawsuit. we see it with trump baja mexico, 32.5 million was lost, an untold number of people who lost number. we see it with trump university, trump tower in miami. we see it in trump tower in ft.

lauderdale and trump tower in miami. that pattern speaks to two things, donald's integrity and his honest. and his business acumen or lack thereof. while he's had success in certain segments, we can't help but acknowledge he's had failures in several segments of business. >> and you stayed there for the entire term. >> randall is not running for president of the united states. amerosa, that isn't the point. donald trump is running for president in part on his ability as a businessman. but to randall's point, not only do you have the bankruptcies of those casinos in atlantic city, you have story after story, going back to the people who built trump tower and weren't paid, workers, just ordinary working people contracted to be paid. >> i'm not going to allow you to bash donald trump's legacy. >> i'm asking questions about his business acumen. >> donald trump has been a very successful businessman. >> what do you say to the contractors over and over who

weren't paid? >> you can't ask and answer the question. i have to have a chance to respond, joy. first of all, it's very, very obvious that donald trump, with such a massive empire, is going to have contractors who come and say i didn't agree with this deal or i got the short end of that deal. but one thing that's certain. donald trump is going to fight hard and he's going to negotiate the best deal for the american people. >> that's a great campaign slogan. it's not an answer to my question. >> i want to answer the question. >> with all due respect, you're answering with a slogan. you're giving me slogans you're not answering my question. >> that's what donald trump is going to do for america. >> great. we'll stipulate to that. let me play you the promotional materials for baja mexico. >> not only is the land incredibly gorgeous, but the proximity to san diego makes this a tremendous investment. >> when i build, i have investors that follow me all

over. they invest in me. they invest in what i build. and that's why i'm so excited about trump ocean resort. this is going to be something very, very special. >> randall, the "los angeles times" found that people who bought those condos, many of them who paid $400,000 hoping to get a condo on the strength of both donald and ivanka trump and trump's sons' sales pitch and wound up with nothing, what does that say about donald trump as a businessman? >> donald's empire really saw significant growth in the heyday of "the apprentice." he was approached by lots of folks to do deals, trump ice, trump magazine, trump mortgage, trump university, all these deals were coming at donald. what it lacked was proper oversight and proper integrity to ensure that the promises he was making were being honored by those who trusted him and his name to deliver. baja mexico, a perfect example. $32.5 million invested. no one got any money back.

250 people who didn't get paid. people lost 401(k)s, lost their retirements, because they trusted donald's name and his word. once the deck of cards came crashing down, donald, ivanka, donald jr., all said, oh, we just left haicensed our name, w weren't the developers, when you can see from the ads that they promoted themselves as the developers. that wasn't honest, that lacked integrity. that's a serious issue for someone who wants to be president. >> amerosa, how much of donald trump's empire is built on him building and developing projects and how much is it selling his name? >> the trump brand speaks for itself, it's worth billions and billions of dollars. there's hundreds of deals he's done that he's been successful and hundreds of thousands of people who have been happy with the deals that they've done with donald trump. it's going to be very much like this, as he gets closer to 1600

pennsylvania avenue and november, you'll see coming out and taking attacks towards him. one thing you should know is that donald trump is going to fight for you. this is about running the best possible way for this country and for the highest office of the land. >> we look forward to going through and litigating many of these cases. we're going to keep bringing out these stories, because donald trump is running on his business acumen, and hopefully we can have both randall and amerosa back and we can do more of these detains. >> i love being on with randall. >> randall pinken and amerosa manigault, thank you.

what kind of a man roots for people to lose their jobs, to lose their homes, to lose their

life savings? i'll tell you what kind of a man. a small, insecure money grubber who fights for no one but himself. and watch out, because he will crush you into the dirt to it whatever he wants. >> and that dragging you just heard is part of the reason why the train for elizabeth warren as vp is picking up steam this week. a new survey pegs warren as clinton's best pick to get democrats to open their wallets just behind senator bernie sanders, who is not under consideration. contrast warren's rock star week with the one virginia senator tim kaine had. until recently he was seen as clinton's safest bet for vp but is now facing heat over accepting gifts as virginia's

lieutenant governor and governor. is kaine still the safe bet? according to his interview on "meet the press," maybe. who will it be, the queen of dragons or hodor? joins us is msnbc political reporter and political forecaster extraordinaire, alex, i'm sorry for the hodor reference, alex, what is your reporting on where the clinton campaign's head is at right now? i felt like it has been tim kaine but it might be moving towards elizabeth warren. >> they're definitely looking more at elizabeth warren more than they have in the past. there's definite interest in both the warren camp and clinton camp in having the conversation out there. but whether there's interest in picking her is different. she's generating interest on the

left, generating media attention. she can get under donald trump's skin unlike almost anybody else in the democratic party. that said, she's gamble. there's a high upside but also big downside for her. tim kaine, much safer, lower upside but also lower downside. hillary clinton is ahead. if things ended in november as they are now, she would be pretty happen with that. i'm guessing she'll ultimately go with the safer pick and not upset the status quo. aides have told me they're interested in doubling down on clinton's biggest strengths which they see as competency and experience and drawing a sharp contrast with donald trump, which is another notch in favor of kaine, given his experience. >> liz, there was a piece in the daily beast this week, fear of an all female ticket, some democrats are worried there would be a sexist backlash, you have two women on the ticket, similar age, both in their 60s, both sort of grandmotherly in a lot of ways, that in a sense

this is too much for the american electorate. what do you think of that? >> i think that's just a lot of men who are very scared of strong women. i do think that we are -- >> but they vote, men who are scared of women vote. >> yes. i mean this only in the positive way. elizabeth warren is like justin bieber to democrats, she makes us scream and squeal. we get so excited when we see her because yes, she's great at tacking donald trump. but she is probably the best at articulating democratic values and democratic policies out of anyone out there. and so, you know, alex said that hillary clinton doesn't need to upset the status quo. i disagree. i think she needs to give people reason to vote for her. elizabeth warren is the most excite democrat out there. and the most likely to give people a reason to vote for hillary clinton. >> the question is, john, if what liz is saying is true, that's sort of alarming, that hillary clinton isn't providing those things. >> well, exactly. the greatest risk secretary clinton has is getting people's votes but not getting their

enthusiasm. i think playing it safe, no disrespect to tim kaine, is exactly the wrong way to go. when you have two candidates with record high unfavorables, and what people on the left feel for secretary clinton, fair or not, the only solution is to go bold and give people something to be excited about. i love senator warren, i think that's an milf, i would like to vote for her. honestly, no one likes this idea except a select few, but if you're looking for someone who is great at fundraising, someone with a built-in army of enthusiasts, and if you're looking for somebody who can get out there and articulate the progressive point of view, senator sanders is right there. the clinton campaign, i see your face -- >> senator sanders? that's not going to happen. >> i know it won't happen. but if you wanted to go bold and get enthusiasm, don't forget about hodor, he carried brant stark. someone's got to do the heavy lifting. >> since we're going to go on that train, liz, bernie sanders

clearly is not willing to endorse hillary clinton. he is not willing to be a part of the team. you don't put somebody on your ticket who has such a starkly different agenda from yours and is also resisting being a part of her team. elizabeth warren may have her own agenda but she is on the team. >> we also know the clintons are not the most forgiving of people. >> sanders hasn't forgiven her either, he hasn't forgiven her for winning. he's promising a floor flight at the convention. >> he's playing a little bit of a dance. i don't see it. >> i don't see it happening either. i'm just saying, it's the strongest possible choice. tester from montana is a safe choice like kaine. but again, that's going safe. if you want to get enthusiasm, people talking about your campaign, you've got to go bold. she's not going to go for a $15 minimum wage.

she's not going to go for any kind of antifracking bill. she has to get people excited. >> alex, just from a reporting standpoint, is the clinton campaign more concerned about liberals holding back and staying home, or about moderates being too freaked out by a woman candidate to come out and vote? are they more worried about trying to bring in their moderate wing or their liberal wing? >> i talked to the press secretary for the clinton campaign yesterday. he said that the number one concern democrats should have is compaplacenc complacency. you look at the polls and clinton is so far ahead, nate silver gives her 25 percentage points. he didn't say this but it's fair to read into it that enthusiasm is not there, especially about young people. they are worried about people staying home. that's how you win these days, you get your base to the polls. it's not about winning over those moderates in the middle. >> that feels a little contradictory. if they're so worried about

complacency, then why are they leaning towards tim kaine? >> exactly. >> you can still get a lot of the benefits of warren for free, essentially, without picking her at your running mate. she's already been on the stump, she'll continue to go out it there and do what she's doing. and she already has the platform to do that on her own, where is with the vp pick, you have a chance to raise somebody's platform, bring a newer person into the fold, to get them out there. >> if you're going for white male, ask joe biden to do it for you. >> i think the best compromise pick here would be sherrod brown. he combines the fire breathing populist tendencies of sanders and casual relationship with haircuts. democrats face a sophie's choice here. do we win the presidency or do we take over the senate? and that's what we have to decide. >> i'm going to fix this problem for all of you.

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the trans-pacific partnership is another disaster done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country, just a continuing rape of our country, that's what it is, too, it's a harsh word, it's a rape of our country. >> this week we've heard two very competing visions on trade, with president obama defending his stance on globalization while donald trump, as you just heard, presented himself as sort

of a nationalist, populist, atacking trade deals like nafta in the worst possible way. but if you're a democrat, that argument, absent the crazy "rape" stuff, might be his best art, partly because of how the support for free trade stacks up on either side of the aisle. let's go to the board. this is sort of a formulation of the way the democrats and republicans have typically won the white house. you've got your rust belt states. you've got your sun belt states. this is democrats' base, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, where democrats have a 6-0 record, between 1992 and 2012. democrats have not lost pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, 6-0 going back to 1992. you go to the sun belt like florida, democrats are a lot more even, democrats are 3-3 in florida from 1992 to 2012.

you've got your sun belt strategy, a place where republicans have typically done well. you've got your reust belt wher democrats have done incredibly well, even places like ohio, which democrats have managed to win two of the last six times. what does that mean for the strategy that donald trump is trying to deploy? in a place like ohio were donald trump is making this argument that trade with china is destroying jobs, a place like ohio that's lost those kinds of jobs, where nafta, where free trade is incredibly unpopular. that's why trump is tied with clinton. it's a state that democrats want to win, barack obama won it twice in a row. you then go to a state like pennsylvania. we've called this the white whale of the republican party, republicans have been trying to win it forever. here is where donald trump stands right now. at least in the quinnipiac university poll, she's statistically tied with hillary

clinton. another rust belted state where trade has devastated the jobs of blue collar workers. you then go to a state like michigan. michigan, once again, white whale of the republican party, republicans say they can win it, they try to win it, they're not able to win it. look at donald trump, 39% of the polls, within the margin of error with hillary clinton. in a state like michigan, that would be devastating to democrats, if his anti-trade message resonates. why is trade such a potent force? if you're for free trade, this is the argument you make. you take a look at nafta, passed in 1994. what happened to the gdp of the country from then on? it went up. the gross domestic product of the country is 70% consumer spending. it's about you, what you spend. spending has gone up, shopping has gone up. trade has been a tremendous benefit to the country. however, take a look at manufacturing jobs. these are manufacturing jobs since nafta was ratified by

congress in 1994. remember, it was negotiated by the george herbert walker bush administration in 1990. since it was ratified, this is the direction of manufacturing jobs. if you're pro free trade, you make the argument, you didn't see an immediate cratering of manufacturing jobs. you could make the argument that this downturn had more to do with the recession than nafta. but if you're a worker in pennsylvania, you're looking at a decline of those kind of jobs and you might be on to an argument that donald trump is making on something like trade. let's talk about who is for and who is against the trans-pacific partnership, the latest big free trade agreement that president obama is trying to negotiate. you've got donald trump. you've got elizabeth warren. you've got bernie sanders. and you've got hillary clinton who is on the record being against the tpp. that's some strange bed fellows there when you put those people together. you then go and look at who is for the trans-pacific partnership. you've got paul ryan, mitch mcconnell.

doctrinaire republicans both of them, both big time free traders. who else is for it? if we get our board to work with us. this guy. president barack obama, who has been four square for free trade. this is what president obama had to say about donald trump's version of populism this week. >> they don't suddenly become a populist because they say something controversial in order to win votes. that's not the measure of populism. fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums. for hillary, it's always been about kids. it's in the quiet moments when you see why she does this. and when millions couldn't get health care, this first lady worked with republicans and democrats to fix it. creating the children's health insurance program,

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he's got the right position right now. but nobody believes him. >> when afl-cio's president talks about the trans-pacific partnership as he did on "hardball" this week, he finds himself lined up in an awkward place, on the side of republican presidential candidate donald trump. trade happens to be trump's most potent issue. his message is resonating, particularly with white working class voters worried about losing their jobs to countries like china. on tuesday, trump visited steel country just outside pittsburgh and blasted the obama administration for allowing cheap chinese steel to be dumped into the u.s. market, saying it's taking jobs away from american steel workers. trump also called the '90s era north american free trade agreement or nafta a disaster. that puts him at odds with the conservative leaning u.s. chamber of commerce, which fired off this tweet: "nafta has not been a disaster for the u.s."

>> the u.s. chamber of commerce is controlled by the special interest folks. they want to have the deals they want to have, they want to have tpp, trans-pacific partnership. it will be the worst deal since nafta. >> with me, howard dean, david k. johnson and msnbc's alex seitz-wald. that is a pretty powerful argument that donald trump is making. even if he is being disingenuous about it. there are a lot of people in rust belt states like michigan, like ohio, who really are concerned that free trade has taken away their jobs. how does the democratic party refute him when for the most part most democrats in d.c. are free traders? >> there are a lot of democrats who are concerned about the free trade agreement. however, free trade does a couple of things that we haven't talked about. one is that it establishes stability in places like mexico. that matters to us.

it's part of the american defense. it has hollowed out industrial capacity in the midwest, no question. what do you do about it? i think trump actually showed the way to do it. nobody believes trump. nobody believes that trump is anything but a wind bag who will say anything to get elected. that's the line of attack. you can't believe this guy. this guy was selling gambling casinos that failed to new jersey a long time ago. so that's i think the line of attack, is you just can't believe this guy, he'll say anything to get elected. >> to that point, the afl-cio tweeted out that trump is a fraud and outsourced american jobs. i'll play you another sound bite from that afl-cio talking about trump on trade. >> why are the shirts made? >> bangladesh. >> i'm going to instruct the

u.s. trade representative to bring trade cases against china. >> where are the ties made? >> they are great ties. >> made where, china? the ties are made in china. >> in. in. in. the united states. >> of course the hillary clinton campaign has picked up on that too, hillary tweeted, cool ties, highlighting the fact that the ties aren't made in the u.s. is that the line of attack that democrats will have to lose? you saw on the platform this week, they're not going to come out and run against tpp because it's one of president obama's legacy pieces. >> they may run against tpp. the problem is tpp is that it protects monopoly rights and is anticompetitive. we want to have trade. we want to have lots of trade. it makes the world a better place. howard dean is exactly right. it goes directly to our national security. on the other hand, we need to recognize the world has changed

and the government has done nothing, neither party has done anything for all of the blue collar factory workers who have lost their jobs. it's the same thing we saw with the brexit vote where people reacted as they did because they don't know what to do. and the real problem is donald trump provides an answer that makes sense to people even though it makes no sense to anybody who understands economics or trade. and so they've got to somehow make it clear that trump is not to be believed, as richard trunka said. >> david, i showed that sun belt versus rust belt chart that shows democrats have traditionally done very well in the rust belt, for all republicans' talk of picking up pennsylvania year after year, they lose it year after year. the rust belt is a stronghold for the democratic party. is the hillary clinton campaign at all concerned that this kind of republican, donald trump, even if ace fake populist, he is running against trade, that that would actually make him competitive in that part of the

country? >> yes, clinton is going next week to pennsylvania, to scranton, with vice president biden to campaign there. a super pac has gone on the air with commercials. they're definitely keeping an eye on the rust belt. part of the issue here is even the people directly affected by this, i was at a plant in grand rapids, michigan, that was literally being closed down and all those jobs being moved to mexico. more people were voting for donald trump than in previous years but it was still small numbers because's bigger than the one issue. they're keeping an eye on it but they're not at defcon one on it yet. >> they're not panicking yet. you heard it from richard trunka, "the new york times" had

a story out this week talking about the benefits that have accrued to donald trump based on free trade policies, his clothing was made in vietnam, bangladesh, furniture and housewares made in slovenia. is there big risk for donald trump that he's going to come out against trade and outsourcing and democrats are going to expose him for all the things he's done in the same areas? >> that's exactly what we're going to do. hillary clinton's campaign put out a fantastic video. she sent two staffers to one of the trump hotels in new york. they went to the gift shop and everything syneingle item of clothing was made in bangladesh or china. then they went to people on the street to quiz them on where it was made. i'm sure you'll see a 30-second or 60-second version of that in

pennsylvania or ohio or michigan this fall. >> david, donald trump will say i'm a businessman, and that's how business is done, but when i'm president i'll change everything so no other businessman has to do what i did. >> he'll start a trade war. the smarter slogan to go after trump is to say, we're for balanced trade, smart trade, fair trade, we're not for trade war. >> but alex, does the democratic campaign believe that that would be enough? because explaining that, smart trade versus fair trade versus balanced trade, to a blue collar maybe long time democrat somewhere in michigan or pennsylvania or ohio who has lost their job, they don't care. they don't care what kind of trade you're for. they just care that they don't have a job. >> this is a core problem for people in favor of internationalism and global trade in general. there are very few voices defending trade. you have obama but he's only doing it occasionally here and there.

you don't really have strong voices who are speaking about it. it's complicated, it's nuanced, it's difficult. it's easy to see the direct impact of the decline of manufacturing jobs and jobs being moved overseas. it's not really a job that hillary clinton wants to take up. she's come out against tpp, that's an easy position for her to take even if people doubt her sincerity on that. in the long term that could make this a losing issue despite what benefits may exist in reality. >> the last word, governor dean, do you think this is a project that bernie sanders, who you know well, would be willing to take up on behalf of the clinton campaign, to go to those places, since he is a credible voice on issues like trade, and make the argument either against donald trump or for hillary clinton? >> well, i think you've got to make the argument against trade. you're not going to get bernie to go to any of these places and shore up hillary unless it really is an attack on nafta as bernie did during the campaign.

so that's the major problem with all of this. the bottom line is that trade really does matter in a good way in the united states. the failure is not because we had these trade agreements. the failure is, as was pointed out earlier, both in britain and i think in europe in general and in the united states, is that government and the business community has not done what they said they were going to do, which is protect working people against the ravages of globalization. unless we bring everybody to be in the position of a beneficiary of globalization, we're in trouble, and we are in trouble, and we've got to change that. that bernie could do. he would have to be convinced that hillary is serious about it. >> it remains to see how those negotiations go. howard dean will be back later in the show. thank you to david and alex. who won the week? stay with us. l-beef, karen? yeah, they're hebrew national. but unlike yours, they're also kosher. only certain cuts of kosher beef meet their strict standards. they're all ruined. help yourself! oh no, we couldn...okay thanks, hebrew national.

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howard dean, who won the week? >> hillary clinton because donald trump lost the week because he's losing most these days. >> because i think standing in front of a pile was not donald trump's best. did she do anything affirmatively to win?

>> she has settled into a steady routine and what it's going to take to beat truch. she looks presidential. she's thoughtful about the issues, exuding confidence. that's not happening the donald trump, so she wins the week. >> liz? >> governor dean, you are going to make me look so bad. let me preface this by saying donald trump is a racist. he is a fascist, a zenophobe. i think he would be the worst president in american history, but i think he won the week because you know, we saw at the end of this week that he's running against hillary clinton. not barack obama. she had more e-mail troubles. there was the ill fated meeting between loretta lynch and bill clinton on the tarmac and now, supposedly, an interview with the fbi. in some way, donald trump won the week because he didn't lose it. >> do you sometimes picture bill clinton locked in a room in

chappaqua where hillary clinton won't let him out? >> in my wildest dreams. >> on the surface, it's transgender soldier, but on a broader level, the american people. when piano and secretary carter made the announcement on thursday that the over 1,000 transgender service people will be allowed to serve openly because they're serving in silence, it's a victory for all of us. if freedom and liberty are going to be real thing, not just words we throw around to feel good about ourselves, we got to mean it and to me, the willing to fight to protect those free comdomes are entitled. being able to serve as who you are is part of what makes america great and gosh darn it, they made me proud to be an american the week of independence day. >> if this hadn't of been the week, with what happened in bangladesh, the benghazi report, this would have been, that would would have been a much bigger story. is it a sign of real progress that sort of passed without a lot of --

>> yes, it is. oh, they can, why not? so many conservative brothers and sisters are down with this. that shows how far we've come. this has been the year of transgender awareness and people realizing awareness is the greatest enemy of hate. >> it's pretty amazing because after all of those victories with same-sex marriage, you hard the argumentment that the t was being left out. that was a big winner. my pick for who won the week and on this show, the correct answer. even though your answers were pretty good. jesse williams. who went on the bbt awards and i think you always win when you can take what is a fun sort of unserious occasion that talks about music and fun and turn it into a moment of incredible moral clarity. let's take a listen to jesse williams acceptance of hum humanitarian award.

>> if you have a critique for our resistance, you better have an established record of critique of our impression. if you have no interest in equal rights for black people. do not make suggestions to those who do. sit down. >> now, what's great about jesse williams, ipg he is the celebrity who's taken the biggest risks with his brand. he was on gray's anatomy. i met him in 2012, walking around in ohio. trying to get people to vote. and he's a sincere activist and i think very deserving of who won the week because he takes that risk with his brand for good. >> all live matter. sure, but if all lives mattered, wouldn't need a black lives matter movement and he articulated it better than any hollywood celebrity yet. >> i think he is sort of wearing that harry belafonte manuel because you kid have celebrities in the 1960s who bet put money

into the march on washington. >> i think that's what's important here. it's not just having the usual cast of characters or politicians. having people like jesse williams that people see on tv every week going out there and delivering such a strong, powerful message. >> thank you very much to liz, john and howard. that is our show for today. be sure to tune in tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern. up next, alex whit asks hugh hewitt why is is he changing his tune on donald trump? more news at the top of the hour. (war drums beating) fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums.

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