television is reporting that a suicide device has killed at least two policemen, if true, that's very significant. because that is the second holiest site in islam. that blast, followed others in katif and jetta, this start on the festival, eid, the holy month of ramadan. two explosions shook the city of katif. body parts could be seen in the area of the blast. that city is significant because it's got the highest con sen ration of shiia muslims in saudi -- sunni dominated saudi arabia and isis has attacked in that city in the past. earlier this morning, we saw what looks like an attempted attack on the american consulate in jetta. a suicide bomber getting to within 30 feet of the walls of the consulate. he blew himself up after he was

challenged by two security men and bombs and devices were then found in his car, no one in the consulate was hurt. but this triple attack was very unusual. there have been dozens of attacks in saudi arabia in the last two years. three in a day, especially one in the city of medina, that's very unusual, no worth yet who's responsible, but isis, like osama bin laden regards the saudi royal family as enemies to be removed so anything they can do to destabilize that kingdom, they will do. thomas? >> bill neely reporting from london for us. bill, thank you very much. keep us posted. joining us now on set is malcolm nance. and malcolm, this is a huge increase in activity that we have just been watching, not just in the last 124 hours, but just in the last few hours, and as bill is saying, this bombing happening at the second holiest

site for those that are about to celebrate the end of ramadan, why is this so significant? >> first off, you know, one hour ago, on this channel we said that this appears to be a strategic bombing campaign that isis is carrying out in the arabian peninsula in saudi arabia. we had one in saudi arabia, one in kuwait that was foiled, now there's two more in saudi arabia. the bombing of the tomb of mohammad, even at the security check point, which means that the bombing was stopped. this is an outrageous act of sack rill ledge, all tombs, all shrines and all cemeteries should be eliminated. >> but they're sacred in terms

of those people that are respectful of their faith and of islam and now we're just getting from nbc news and the minister of interior, confirming the double suicide bombings taking place in saudi arabia in the city of katif. so why at this point, at the end of ramadan, is that the report that we're going to see the spike, is this the spike of violence? >> it's interesting because a year ago isis started this ramadan attack campaign. no other middle east earn terror campaign has ever carried out a cam pain during the holiest month of the year for muslims. the analysis says that there's going to be an uptick in violence during ramadan. they didn't strike near eid last year. they're coming to a crescendo where they might carry out much

larger attacks during the eid period. >> we're hear from ou.s. securiy forces as well as our allies that they are taking back land that they have occupied. this type of propaganda, this type of image, is much more important, especially when we're able to talk about successful military operations against isis lands. >> yeah, that's absolutely correct. but let me caution you on one thing. they are losing land. they a are losesing a lot of territory, the khacaliphate is under a lot of pressure. carrying out attacks against shiia muslims. that's the sort of stuff that people eat up. but carrying out attacks in the second holiest site in islam, may be one step too far, this could possibly swing 1.6 million

muslims definitively against isis. >> when we talk about this though, what is the pivot point? why isn't there something that has happened well prior to that as a catalyst of recognizing this is a terrorist organization, that are terrorizing the world and drawing people in, whether they are isis inspired or isis directed, why isn't there the coalition of muslims saying that you're basically taking our religion and using it against us? especialliably in the world view. >> in fact, there's been a huge outcry, the west just doesn't report it as much as it's heard on al jazeera, the muss lilim w rejects this whole heartedly. they have the sort of attitude that god will do all the judging about their behaviors, but today, this act of sack -- i

cannot emphasize how amassing this attack is. it's another plot that appears that was going to be carried out this week, they captured one woman and two men, they believed that they had very large suicide bomber weapons system and they were going to attack perhaps a shiia shrine or a public space as they did an attack two years ago at a shiia shrine in kuwait that killed almost 100 people. >> these are images coming from in from medina right now. and you can see all the people standing there probably watching in complete and utter shock. have you visited this place before, medina? >> i have never visited medina and i have never visited mecca. this is in a way how angry they

get when the israelis go to the mosque. this is going to wake up a lot of people. even if it is a single individual attack, even if it killed just two people. the insult to islam that this attack is going to prove to be is going to be tremendous. >> we have more detail to go into throughout the hour as nbc news works to confirm more of what happened over just the last hour. >> we're going to shift gears and talk about the presidential politics that are happening. hitting hillary clinton and the white house on terrorism and giving new information about his search for a running mate, he's al also responding for the first time. he sent out the image on saturday along with hillary clinton with what 's to be a star of david over dollar bills

and the campaign later took that down. so said trump responded to the critics saying dishonest media is trying their absolute best to depict a star in a tweet as the star of david rather than a sheriff's star or a plain star. and the clinton campaign said the fact that it's a part of a pattern should give voters major cause for concern. not not only won't he apologize for it, he's involving others. we know that this is not the first time trump has sent out inflammatory images or retweeted other folks that have been offensive. but what is the campaign saying about this and is there -- we know donald trump doesn't like to surrender over a point from critics, but is this a surrender from the campaign, the fact that they took it down and sent out a different image? >> the critical shift frin primy

to general election. the campaign correcting it, the cam pain acknowledging that it was offensive and they wanted to take some kind of mitigating action to ease that. however trump sort of muddled it as tweeting out, sort of diverting blame to the media and offering some alternative theories like a sheriff's badge or a plain start. it's some of these incensensiti comments, antagonize some of the exact voters that he may be trying to attack, and not the swing voters of the primary republican base who would eventually be voting in the general election, that's why the timing of this is so offputting. in addition to that he used the

vehicle of twitter to then talk about other things to fry to perhaps direct attention elsewhere, talking about the veep stakes surge. those who do not want to be on the vp list, are those who have not been asked, another in your face kind of moment. and he told us today, he's meeting with the iowa senator, usinging the trump national vet minister, where they can enjoy some social time and have some conversations. >> that was one thing he wrote about, via twitter, one tweet i look forward to meeting joni ernst today in new jersey. she has gone a great job. is that one of the biggest

issues with the politicians that might want to attach themselves to this ticket, the fact that they then have to be the apologists or the explainers to whatever trump says? >> the guide book for any of those who want to be considered for the running mate job, have to recognize that they will be peppered with questions wherever there is something controversial like this, and they are in a better position, because if you're auditioning for a job, criticizing the boss would not necessarily go over well. and so what we have seen is sort of a pattern of those who -- and mike penn is running for re-election in indiana at this point, so he sort of deflected and said that the campaign has handled that and i'm focusing on indiana. that's a sif answer for him at the moment. what is untypical is that donald trump provides many more opportunities for a running mate to have to go some cleanup work

if things continue to be offensive to groups that are important when trying to attract voters. >> kelly o'donnell reporting in d.c. for us. to win in november, hillary clinton may have to address the issue voters have concerning trusting her, a recent nbc "wall street journal" poll found that only 25% of voters say she is more honest than trump, and hillary clinton addressed that issue last week in chicago. >> i personally know i have work to do on this front. a lot of people tell pollsters they don't trust me. i don't like hear that. and i have thought a lot about what's behind it. and, you know, you hear 25 years worth of wild accusations, anyone would start to wonder. and it certainly is true, i have made mistakes, i don't know anyone who hasn't. so i understand people having

questions. >> so, yeah, people do have questions because obviously we are just several weeks away from the democratic convention coming up in philadelphia and the risk of putting north a candidate that could face an indictment with the fbi is a big deal. so are you hear anything about when the fbi is going to wrap up with what their finding is etch especially after sitting down with clinton over the tweekd. >> he's keeping his cards closing to his chest, they're having rumors in the time frame of a couple of weeks, i think that no one in this country is more eager to have this thing wrapped up than hillary clinton. she doesn't like to have this hanging over here, i think once that is out of the way, i don't know that it's going to result in any of the trust issues. i think this totally foolish meeting between women clinton and the attorney general makes it more likely people will be skeptical of whatever the outcomes are, but i think she

will be happy at least to be able to move past that. >> meanwhile, bernie sanders continues to hang on. he had better trust favorables in the primary and he remains somewhat viable, just like a b-plan, a bernie plan, just in case of what's happening with the fbi? you wrote a piece, what would have happenedi if joe biden ran? >> i think one of the things that's interesting about biden is that he split hillary clinton's base, if you look at right before he got out in september of last year, a lot of folks who now are part of hillary clinton's base of support liked joe biden. joe biden has a bad track record of stepping on his own feet. but we may have seen a much more -- right now it's much more contested than we expected

between sanderings and clinton, it may have been even more contentious with biden. >> we know that president obama will be out on the trail with her tomorrow in north carolina and then there are other people on the bench like michelle obama and dr. joe biden. it's pretty deep in terms of those folks who can go out there and drum up the support and excitement that hillary clinton needs. but do you think that joe biden is going to resent any of that work that he's got to go out there and do this because he's looking and thinking this could have been me? >> i think he's probably got this lingering sense of what if, what if, what if. but he's been in politics a long time, i think he knows this is part of the job. it will be fashion naturing, the last-time we saw a two term democrat, it was actually andrew jacque jackson. bidening was -- this is the first time in a long time we have actually had a popular and

he's about 50% approval in most polls, a popular democratic president going out on the trail for the democratic candidate. >> phil, thank you, sir, happy fourth to you. >> the gun battle on capitol hill, the big question on whether the democrats will resume the sit in to force the issue, i i'm going to speak with congressman huffman, he participated in that sit in, but speaker ryan said he's willing to move forward. a guns right advocate is going to be with us, and i'm going to ask him if there's any gun control measures that he could support. stick around. clean food.

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we will not be happy, we will not be satisfied. we will not be pleased until we do something in a major way. make a major down payment on ending gun violence in america. >> you can bet your sweet life when the house goes back into session, this fight will be continued. >> all right, so the to be continued fight is going to be picked up tomorrow, when the house reconvened tomorrow. and the house session they will vote on an anti-terrorism pakistan pac package. are pushing for votes on a background check amendment and a no fly/no buy amendment. if the amendments are not allowed, democrats could put more heat on ryan with another sit in.

i'm joined by congressman ryan huffman. tom cole was on in the last hour and i want to play a portion of what he had to say. >> there's lots of people on that list that should not be there, it's a very imprecise weapon or tool. i don't think you preclude anybody from exercising their rights. >> so what is your response to that? do you think that is enough of an argument that nothing should be done? >> evenfno, it's not. this no-fly list exists because the fbi and others believe there are certain people who are too dangerous to be allowed to fly on an airplane. we democrats believe and i think most americans believe that if it's too dangerous to fly on an

airplane, they ought not to be allowed to walk into a gun store and buy an ar-15. >> so when we think about what the gun rights advocates would say and there's also people that would want gun reform. in trying to find a balance in all of our elected members of congress, it's a tricky balance and we have speaker ryan saying he's giving you what you want which is a vote, so that action in and of itself is not enough, correct? just getting a vote is not enough? >> we need to be very clear about this bill that the republicans are bringing forward this week, it is completely cosmetic, the whole point of our sit in, is point that john lewis so eloquently made, is that so many americans have had it with empty gestures in response to this skurjs of gun violence, we have had it on the floor of the

house. 30 seconds follow bid a bang of the gavel on the floor of the house. this bill that we're having brought forward this week doesn't even come close to doing that, that's why the nra is specifically supporting this. >> when gab by giffords was supporting that. if we go back to the charleston shooting, if we go back to san bernardino and orlando, i mean specifically, what part of the current legislation or any legislation that's being discussed about right now, between you and your colleagues would have prevented any one of those people, those shooters have getting their hands on those weapons. >> the charleston loophole, the fact that a certain amount of time was allowed to pass and the shooter in charleston was able to get the gun that he use fwhd th in that terrible massacre.

we believe we probably cannot stop, we certainly can't stop every mass shooting, but we can stop some and we can limit the damage from others, any number of these mass shootings by the way over these last many years has involved people who were mentally ill, who might have been triggered in a comprehensive background check that actually worked. >> congressman jared huffman, you're already back in washington, d.c. thank you, sir, we appreciate your time. i wants to bring in jerry henry, he is executive director of jerry kerry.org. you have accused congressman john lewis of being part of a hypocritical crusade to deprif his citizens of their second amendment rights. do you believe there is a balance to be found between gun rights and gun reform? >> the reason that he's

hypocritical is that he fought so hard for civil rights, and now he's fighting to take say way my civil rights. if there's somebody on a list they should not automatically be -- and if sound to be such, they should be arrested. my rights should not depend on me being put on some secret list that i don't even know i'm on there or why i'm on there. the first statement or any other amendment should not be comprised of a list. >> an overwhelming number of americans do support amendments that lewis and other democrats are fighting for, when it comes to gun reform, what would you say to those americans who would like to see a better way to

moderate second amendment rights for those that wish to have guns, but also the right of americans that don't want to have a firearm to feel protected within their own neighborhoods or within their own grocery store or their own local bar? >> well, i would say that the majority of people that are for this amendment do not understand what the amendment does, if the government can take away my second amendment rights just by me being put on a list, then they can take away your first amendment rights or any other rights just by being put on a list. i know ted kennedy found out when he went to get on an airplane. >> i juyou're in washington, d. right now, and you're from georgia, to maybe you go back and forth some on an airplane. >> actually i'm in georgia and

the last time i flew was last september. however, you don't find out when you go to the airport and try to get on an airplane. you don't find out any other time and it's not easy to get off of that list, whether you were guilty of what they thought you were or not. there are a lot of people on that list just because their names sound familiar to people who are on the list. we have an 8-year-old cub scout who's been trying to get off of it for a couple of years. there was an 18-month-old baby that was taken off of an airplane because their name was similar to someone on the terrorist watch list. i hope i'm not on any list and i hope that nobody else is, but unfortunately they are and they're trying to use that to deny due process. >> when it comes to the type of weapons that people are trying to buy because of their second amendment rights, are there any weapons that give you pause for concern, that maybe you should not be in the hands of people that have access to buy them. >> if you're talking about firearms, no, if you're talking

about hand grenades or bombs, that's a different story. there shouldn't be, i can think of no firearm that i can purchase in this country that i shouldn't be allowed to have. >> thank you for your time, i appreciate it. >> coming up next, we'll go back to our breaking news, we'll be talking about these explosions that are rocking saudi arabia, what we know, the new details out of medina when we return. (vo) stank face. a universal expression of disgust, often caused by inadequate cat litter. if you or your a loved one suffers from stank face, the cure is tidy cats. it's new and improved with guaranteed tidylock protection that locks away odors. so you don't have to face one more stank face. tidy cats. every home, every cat. there's a tidy cats for that.

we have a series of suicide attackers, and one of noes attacks in the city of medina, in the prophet's mosque, it's one of those holiest sites. there's no details on that. thantd's fresh, we have not seen the videos of those images

coming out just yet. >> indeed, it's significant, unusual, and it does now appear that saudi arabia has been hit, not by one, but at least by three suicide attacks in three separate cities today. as you say, in the latest, the saudi owned television network reporting that a suicide bomber detonated his device to target security operations near the prophet's mosque in medina and killed at least two policemen. if that is true, that is the second holiest site in islam, where the prophet mohammad is buried, a place visited by pilgrims every year. on this the start of a festival, eid, the end of the holy month in ramadan. we have confirmed from an interior ministry source, that two explosions shook that city

in saudi arabia. that area has got the highest number of shiia muslims. earlier this morning what looks like an attempted attack on the american consulate in jetta, a suicide bomber got to within 30 feet of the walls of consulate. three bombs or three devices were then found in his car, no one in the consulate was hurt. but this triple attack very unusual, there's been dozens of islamist attacks in saudi in the last three years, no word yet who's responsible, but isis, wrath every like osama bin laden, so anything they can do to destabilize that kingdom, they will do. >> thank you for the update, prooerks it. coming up, the last ditch effort, time is running out before the convention, the one

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jump in guaranteed. i don't have a candidate in mind, and i don't have a picture on the blocks to the puzzle that we're putting together. >> how do you think that you can mount a campaign against donald trump if there's not an alternative to the convention, do you have a choice? >> i have personal choices that i have had all along, but as a movement, we're not making any comments about who we would like to see because we're not even talking about that. we have got people involved in our movement both free the delegates and delegates unbound that are from all the different campaigns of candidates who were running this year. so we will not presume to try and tell the delegates at the convention who the nominee should be. we're actually encouraging now any candidate who's prepared to step forward to let us know now, let the delegates know that they're prepared when the time comes after that first ballot

when we do not nominate mr. trump that there are candidates prepared to step in. >> donald trump won the popular vote and delegates in certain states, it just depends on the rules of the states, and also convention rules, they are bound to vote for donald trump because he won. are you concerned about party unity and a chaotic convention and not having a cohesive narrative, that people can get behind, other than the fact that you don't want donald trump to be the nominee. >> actually i'm very concerned about party unity. i attended a conference in denver in weekend where sarah palin and trump both spoke on friday morning and i listened to them come into a state that they need to heal and do nothing but insult us, tell us that they were thumb suckers, that we were rats, and that colorado didn't allow anyone to vote.

and this was a state that participated in our caucus process, they know they cast a vote, to when we're talking about party unity, we're faced with a presumptive nominee who's doing nothing to unify the party and is actually going out of hiss way to create more disunity. so yes, that is something i am concerned about. >> we will see you in cleveland and we will see what happens as it's coming fast and furious down the line. happy fourth to you. >> thank you. this is going to be a really busy month for both hillary clinton and donald trump, on their to do list, picking a vp candidate, getting ready for the convention and also raising some cash. to talk about the candidates is don shrum. >> donald trump and the vp meetings, he has met with pence and he said he's going to be

meeting wi meet with joni earnst. >> both pence and ernst are well liked and trusted by the conservative -- she ran a great campaign, she's always had a very compelling message among conservatives, she's very well liked, and obviously could -- has the potential to reach audiences that trump has yet to win over within the movement. >> bob, let me ask you, hillary clinton, this is really crunch time for her vp pick time, speaking of vps, she's going to be with bitden and scranton thi week, is there a clear or defined vp personality that's coming to the top that you can see rounding out her ticket. >> the conventional choice would

be senator tim kaine from virginia. he doesn't add a lot of sparkle to the ticket, but she may not need that. what i've been intrigued by is watching her campaign with elizabeth warren. when she campaigns with elizabeth warren, there's a kind of synergy and energy that reminds me of what happened when bill clinton picked al gore in 1992. that broke all the rules, two southerners, people from a neighboring state. so i think that hillary clinton probably is giving serious consideration to the idea of elizabeth warren. the other choices are very impressive people, and in fact i would say the democratic list of vice presidential choices is incredibly good, especiallily compared to what donald trump has to choose from. >> we're going to down this women's power line, because you worked with carly fiorina and she was very strong on the debate stage and certainly very strong out on the campaign

trail. do you think that this is a ripe opportunity in american politics that the first democratic nominee, hillary clinton, female nominee could actually pick a female to round out the ticket, or do you think that as a country, sadly enough, we're just not ready for that? >> i actually think it's neither. it's not that i don't think we're ready, i think that elizabeth warren is extremely polar'sing. hillary clinton has a real race here, she's tied in a lot of these swing states with donald trump, picking elizabeth warren has a real potential to alienate a lot of those voter who is think she's too liberal, too extreme. and hillary clinton has herb own problems to content with, this ongoing fbi investigation, burning her daily schedule that have now come out. i think picking the safe bet for hillary clinton is a much safer

decision rarmegardless of depen. >> who is the best pick for donald trump that can give him the political chops that his ticket needs? >> i don't think he'll take my advice any more than the trump campaign, the clinton campaign is going to take the advice we just heard. the fact is that trump doesn't have the choices he would like to have. he doesn't have a marco rubio who won't run with him. he doesn't have a john kasich who won't run with him. most of the republicans that you would think of as top prospects, have just said i am not goings to do it. ive in fact he was going to run with a woman, i'm not sure that a two-year long senator sort of fills in the gaps in terms of hiss experience, carly fiorina might have been a good choice, but she's run away from him too, she doesn't want anything to do

with him. >> there's been an interesting push-pull in terms of who's attracted to trump and who's not. we had over the weekend hillary clinton, her campaign reporting it raised more than $68 million in the month of june. so for the republicans, are they worried about fundraising for donald trump and the type of money that he can or can't pull in? >> i think the trump campaign should be looking to raise a lot more money, on the other hand, he's been able to do a lot with very little up until this point, the clinton campaign has ten times the number of staff, they have obviously needed to raise a lot more money to put awhich bernie sanders, trump was able to do more with less. the clinton campaign is resting on these past statistics, money is only as good as what you spend it on and what it can do k but getting her message to resonate with voters which she's

having a very tough time doing. i think a lot of people who -- if she gets indicted. >> don't be silly. talk about this in a serious way. >> we know that hillary clinton has stat down for her interview with the fbi. and we expect some news to be coming out about that shortly. the fireworks show is going to be over later tonight. you didn't just see it now. coming up next, an update on the breaking news out of saudi arabia where explosions have rocked three cities in the last 24 hours, and we have new details for you about how this happened and why these sites are so significant, especially within the islamic religious. been making dog chow for 36 years now. my dog girlfriend is 17 years old. she's been eating dog chow from her very first day

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we continue to get new pictures in the aftermath of one of those attacks near the city of medina, near the prophet's mosque, one of the middle east's holiest sites. so with getting the latest details outs of this, and i just want to be specific about medina, the fact that the suicide bomber was killed as well as two security officers? this -- and we were just talking about medina, and you're specifically explaining that the types of people that can get it and can't. and you have to be of the islamic faith to reach this point. >> pretty much if you're in the vicinity or you're in the prophet's mosque in medina, you're likely there for religious purposes, whether you're from the muslim faith,

whether you're from the security apparatus, or you're a citizen of saudi arabia, or a citizen of many other muslim communities, you're there for religious purposes. >> does this bear isis hallmarks? >> first you take a look at some of the target eering they have done there. that right there has happened several times over the last year. interestingly enough, the attack on the tomb only prophet mohammad, which i think is an amazing event, which i think is unpress demeanored. isis likes to attack the military infrastructures -- >> the security forces of a nation. >> but, when we think about what this means at the end of ramadan and the state department warnings, different chatter, that has happened about the fact

that we have seen an uptick in violence, is this fitting that narrative or is this really indicative of something more that we're seeing or the fact that isis is losing in terms of allied attacks in terms of land in itraq and syria. >> isis has faced some serious problems in iraq and libia, but of course, with that it has expangded around the world, in central and southeast asia pretty heavily, we see three different camps pop-up in the philippines, you see isis asserting itself around the world making itself a true global problem. but isis has put out a coordinated media campaign targeting the saudi government in this video series. i think it's about 14, 15 different videos several months ago, specifically urging attacks in saudi arabia.

>> malcolm had said before that this was probably going to have a reaction effect from muslims around the world, being so disgusted about the attack in medina that they would coalesce and do you think they could be more against isis in a more defined way, do you think this could be the catalyst? >> i think you'll see a pretty big back flash from muslims around the world, i don't think it will defeat isis ideology, however. we'll continue to update you throughout the day. but we turn to something that's on the minds of americans on this independence day, the american dream and the intentions of the founding fathers and what it means for some of the newest decisions. larry, good to have you with me,

and you're say saying you toll picks is simply the means that we use to make our nations work and make the community better places to live, your power as an individual citizen is awesome, you can shake things up by speaking up. how is that received? after the ceremony, did people come up to you and talk to you about what your words meant to them? >> that's always a good sign. it was a good group, this was 75 new citizens being sworn in from 41 different countries and just amazing, thomas, i have to tell you, i hope everybody has a chance sometime to attend a naturalization ceremony because so many of us who were born in the united states take our citizenship for granted. let me tell you something, these people don't. they have amazing stories to

tell. and once you hear their stories and understand what they have gone through to get here, you also understand that they take the responsibilities of citizenship much more serious than -- much more seriously than most of us do. so it was inspiring. >> i think you're right about the fact that so many people can take it for granted until there is a reflection point that makes you value exactly what you have inherited if you're born here. but if you -- the founding fathers, that they were flash forward to 2016, larry, what do you think they would think of what we have done as a nation with the living, breathing document they left behind and the government they have today, our democracy. >> we have some medical teams available to revive them, after they absorbed all the changes. >> they have all the advances in the world right now, better than they ever have. >> they would learn first about

our medical advances and the changes we have made. we have taken the words that they wrote and broadened them and made them apply to far more people than the founders ever could have imagined or ever intended. look, i have read a good deal about what the founders said about the founding documents like the constitution. they have wanted us to revise them, to amend them frequently. and we really haven't done that, we have changed, i think they would be surprised that we haven't changed more than we have. so i would like to think that anyway, and i think it's true. >> larry, great to have you on and i'm so glad that your speech was rel received and your suit jacket looks perfect. >> thank you, thomas, thank you very much. that's going to do it for us this hour, i'm thomas roberts at

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