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take on the unexpected with a car that could stop for you. nissan safety shield technologies available in the altima, sentra and maxima. and that does it for a very busy edition of "andrea mitchell reports," live from the museum of modern art, our host. live from atlantic city, craig melvin picks up our coverage right now. although the department of justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case. >> and a good tuesday to you, everyone, i'm craig melvin on msnbc. moments ago, the fbi director saying that they're not going to be recommending charges in their investigation, hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server,
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no victory lap for the clinton campaign though because what was found could be damming for the candidate and the campaign. >> we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to secretary clinton's personal e-mail account. there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, miely classified information. seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the top secret, special access program, those chains involve secretary clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails. there is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in secretary clinton's position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. none of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system. all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers, not even supported by
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full-time security staff, like those found at agencies and departments of the united states government, or even with a commercial e-mail service like gmail. even if information is not marked classified in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it. >> so contrary to what hillary clinton has said for more than a year now, the fbi found 110 e-mails contained classified information at the time they were sent or received, any chains were marked top secret with several dozen more marked secret or confidential. 2,000 more or upclassified to make them confidential. they are retroactively classified, three of those contained secret or confidential at the time they were sent. the fbi also said they found quote several thousand more e-mails that were not turned over by the campaign, however, they do not believe there was any intention nam misconduct. the donald trump campaign wasting no time in reacting to
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the news, quote, fbi director said crooked hillary compromised our national security. no charges? wow. he hashtaged the tweet, rigged system. all of this as president obama and hillary clinton are about to depart for charlotte, north carolina, literally any minute now. the president's first campaign appearance with his former secretary of state coming up at 3:00 eastern. legal analysis reports now from both campaigns we start though with nbc news justice correspondent pete williams who joins me now via phone. you've been briefed numerous times, or multiple topics. he acknowledged at the beginning that this was unprecedented public what were the major takeaways for you? >> yeah, unprecedented, people at the fbi can't remember anything quite like this in the past either. sitting fbi director revealing the recommendations to the justice department, just to be clear, craig, it's not completely over yet. this is the fbi's recommendation, the justice
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department will make a final decision, but i think it would be extraordinary if the justice department, based on all of this decided to file charges. i think it's a technical matter, it's all but over. what he said is that the problems here did not meet the test of the statutes based on past cases. but if you look at past prosecutions when there's been sloppy handling of classified evidence, there were issues of hostile actions or, you know, a violation of loyalty or some intentional desire to share information with people who weren't supposed to have it or just vast amounts of information and without that presence here, he said, he did not believe that this rose to a prosecutable offense. i think the other thing we have to notice here is that while obviously we're all focussing on hillary clinton, this also means that the fbi has not recommending criminal charges against the people who sent her e-mails. that had this classified information in it either.
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they were potentially on the hook as well because many of these e-mail chains originate with e-mails to her containing information that the fbi has concluded was classified at the time, even though the documents of the e-mails to her were not marked as classified. the other point i would make, craig, is that this is pretty clear that the fbi had planned to make this statement, do this, once the interview with hillary clinton was over, and this was not moved up or changed in any way because of the little flap over president clinton's meeting with the attorney general last week on the tarmac. >> it was also striking to me, pete, how it seemed as if the fbi director went out of his way to point out that this was a very much a nonpartisan objective investigation for folks who do not follow the fbi or the justice department as closely as you, what do we know about james comey? >> well, comey is a former
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justice department official. he was deputy attorney general for a time under janet rino. he was brought back into the government briefly, he then went into private practice and came back as the fbi director and i think people have been saying for years that comey has a non-partisan reputation. >> while we're having this conversation, we should let our viewers know that they're looking at video taken just a few moments ago of hillary clinton boarding air force one. we are told we're likely not going to see her appear with the president until they get off air force one in charlotte, north carolina. pete, i also, i took from those remarks, we got insight into precisely why it took so long, more than a year for the fbi to conduct its investigation. >> yeah, i think that's a good point. many of us were wondering what is taking so long and why don't
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we have the answer well before the middle of a presidential campaign and now we know? the director says they found little tiny pieces of e-mails that she had used. we knew that there had been a back-up server, because she used -- several mobile devices and several servers, some of which were used and then taken offline and new ones were put in. they had to go back to the other ones and try to reconstruct the little shattereds and e-mails that they found, and said it was like dumping all jigsaw puzzle on the floor without any frame and that it took a long time to reconstruct and figure out what those e-mails were. which included some e-mails that were not in her backs, that she sent to the state department. that's clearly one of the things that took such a long time. >> justice correspondent pete williams, even reporting on vacation for us, pete thanks as always. nbc's kristin welker following the clinton campaign in charlotte, north carolina, where begin that appearance with
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hillary clinton expected to happen at 3:00 this afternoon. kristin, you've got to wonder at this point whether the joint appearance is going to be overshadowed by what we heard just after 11:00 eastern. any reaction from the campaign to those statements from director comey? >> we are getting our first reaction from the clinton campaign, this comes from brian fallon, it is short, to the point, i will read it and discuss it on the other side. he says we are pleased that the career officials handing this case have determined that no further action by the department is appropriate. as the secretary has long said, it was a mistake to her use, to use her personal e-mail and she would not do it again. we are glad that this matter is now resolved. again that coming from spokesman brian fallon, of course there are still a lot lot of questions, craig, namely the fact that she consistently said that she never sent any e-mails that were marked as classified at the time and what director comey said today was essentially that that wasn't was case.
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there were a number of e-mails that she should have known contained classified information. she's going to have to answer questions about that, she's going to have to answer questions about the statement made by the director comey that it is noobl outside actors were able to obtain and access her e-mail, essentially hack into her account. she's going to have to answer questions about that as well. this undoubtedly cast a cloud over this event. i think what you're going to see today is a unified front, president obama appearing with her. he is set to serve as a character witness for her. he's likely to make the argument that he was once her former rival and he came around to being one of her closest confidants, she of course served as secretary of state. and he of course is uniquely suited to rally the base. to rally african american voters. younger voters, suburban voters, that's what the campaign is hoping for, of course these developments speak to one of secretary clinton's biggest problems which are issues of trust worthiness. now, the president here on the campaign trail trying to fix
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some of those problems, but these headlines undoubtedly complicate that effort, craig. >> do you think that when she speaks in charlotte she'll talk about any of this? will she address it at all? >> it's a great question, craig, at this the point in time we're not getting an indication that she's planning to address this when she speaks today, here in charlotte, and look, it would be difficult for her to address it standing right next to president obama. this is already putting him in a somewhat difficult position politically. however, i think that she's going to have to address it whether she decides to hold a quick interview with the reporters who were here on the ground or if she decides to hold an interview in the coming days. she's going to have to answer some of those very difficult questions that were raised by this final report and of course the campaign focussing on the headline here. the fact that director comey recommended that no charges be brought, but this trust bothery issue continues to dog secretary clinton in fact according to our
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latest nbc news/wall street journal poll 69% of respondents said concerns about her trust worthiness are of serious concern to him in the general election. clearly there's plenty of out iffer for donald trump in the findings by the fbi. so this is going to be an ongoing political problem for secretary clinton, she may not address is here in charlotte, at least when she's on stage with president obama, but she's going to need to address it in the near future, there's no doubt about that. >> kristin welker in charlotte, thank you. kelly o'donnell outside fbi headquarters in washington, d.c. she's been covering today's remarks. she's also got the latest on the reaction from the trump campaign as well. what are they saying, kelly o.? >> reporter: well craig i want to add a couple of things about director comey to the conversation you were just talking to pete about that. and he is respected by both parties as someone who can handle being in the white hot spotlight and the political fire of having to deal with controversial issues. earlier in his career he came
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into the government and had to take over some of the investigation related to when president clinton exited office and granted some pardons in the final hours of his administration. and then later, serving john ashcroft the attorney general under george w. bush. there was at the time a sort of movie-like scenario where those in the white house wanted to go to an ailing john ashcroft in the hospital to get his approval for domestic surveillance and james comey got in the way of that. and went to the hospital in sort of again, kind of a movie scene, to stop that from happening. and threatened to resign because he believed that there was an unfair advantage being brought against the ill attorney general. so he has acknowledged that publicly, and so that is one of the things that people point to with his ability to withstand outside pressure. for the trump campaign, this is
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an attempt to go after the system. which has worked for donald trump in the primary season when the system is anything from campaign finance to the workings of congress and now the justice department. that is really undercutting of james comey and many republicans would not agree with that. at the same time, house speaker paul ryan put out a very strong statement saying it's inexplicable based on the argument put forth by the fbi director about the kinds of information that uncovered during this investigation that no charges would be brought, but again, it comes back to this issue of intent. in prosecution, the kind of knowing act of those who would be accused is so important and when we're dealing with electronic data that flies back and forth, that's harder to get at. and so clearly they did not find any evidence within the e-mails that they read and they said they read every single e-mail that related to secretary clinton, that's tens of thousands. and in the interviews they did with people who worked around
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her and the secretary herself. they did not find any indication that they were aware that this was inappropriate and they did it anyway. they did not find any indication that there was an attempt to undercut their service to the country by putting any information at risk. those are really important factors. but politically, there is plenty for those who spooz hint the fbi director did convict some of her public statements over time and that will be something that will be litigated in the political world for weeks and months to come. so it is not over in the political sense, even though it's coming to a close from the sort of criminal prosecution or investigation sense. craig. >> it is quite possible it will never be over in the political sense, kelly o'donnell, thank you for the reporting. and the context as well. let's get you involved in the conversation, here's today's microsoft pulse question. we are asking do you think the fbi's findings will impact hillary clinton's campaign? the pulse is live, we'd love to
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this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. to the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions, but that's not what we're deciding now. >> more now on the fbi's investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails, i want to bring in msnbc contributor and hillary clinton supporter, former vermont governor howard dean and republican congressman, tom davis as well. big thanks to both of you for joining me. governor, let me start with you, we have heard over the past year, time and time again the
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secretary, former secretary of state said that she never sent e-mails marked as classified. two hours ago, we heard the director of the fbi essentially say, that's not true. you did it more than 100 times. how is she going to square that with what we heard from director comey? >> well, actually, i think we need to see more. i'd actually like to see the whole transcript of the interview with comey because when pete williams reported on this, what he said was, she sent 110 e-mails that were classified at the time. but they weren't marked. and that was also reported by you and andrea mitchell, you didn't say they weren't marked, and we need to know that before we go condemning hillary clinton. look, i think this is a win for the clinton campaign, i think a lot of the right wingers will be disappointed, but the fact is, i don't think without seeing et full transcript of the interview be james comey that we can make judgments about it. >> fbi director said that the
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presidential, the presumptive nominee was quote, extremely careless as well. >> well she herself said that she regretted doing this and she wouldn't do it again, and i take that at face value, the fact is, except for the right wingers who are going to push this for political reasons, this matter is over. >> congress plan, at the end of the day, you've got the fbi saying that they're not going to recommend charges be filed, that's going to be the recommendation to the justice department. how then can republicans make an effective case? >> well, a couple things, i was chairman of the chief investigative committee in the house, and we referred things often to justice. the fbi still referred this to the justice department, their recommendation is not to prosecute, but they thought there was, you know, obviously some things that have gone on there that met the criminal threshold. just probably using the discretion not to prosecute. look, i think republicans were grasping at straws if they
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thought that it was going to take a criminal indictment to turn this thing around. this goes to the heart of hillary clinton's credibility and people are going to read it i think depending at what perspective they come from closely dwieted country, this is not a clear win for hillary clinton, but the fact she's not being indicted allows her campaign to move forward, i think forecloses anything. >> governor, you have to wonder whether we're going to see snippets from that news conference, not really a news conference, but from the statement read by comey. you have to wonder if you're going to see a snippet of that in a few donald trump ads as we approach november, as you know, she has struggled when it comes to the trust factor time and time again. here's the latd egs nbc news/wall street journal poll, it shows her numbers right there, she trails donald trump by 16 percentage points. this is what ben carson told andrea mitchell just a short time ago. >> i think the thing to take away from this is that he was
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extremely critical of her judgment. and stated that, you know, high government official should know better. she's not only a high government official, she's the secretary of state and has been a senator twice. so, the real question is, are americans willing to place everything in the hands of somebody with such poor judgment? >> it's her judgment. it's her poor judgment, governor, we've heard it time and time again, what does she need to say, what does she need to do to get american voters to believe that she is believable? >> i think she -- well first of all, colin powell also had his own, he didn't have his own server, but sent private e-mails through his own network. this is already deinvolved as partisan fight. what does she have to do? keep doing what she's doing. you can talk about her judgment all you want, but if you're
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donald trump and you're being compared to hillary clinton, judgment subpoena going to work in your favor if if you're hillary clinton. donald trump has no judgment whatsoever. and there's a great many very smart republicans who i respect who already made that decision. some who are staying neutral and many were actually supporting hillary clinton which is extraordinary, including people from the bush administration. look, i think at the end of the day, you want somebody whose competent and can be president of the united states, and that is not donald trump, and it is hillary clinton. >> congressman, it would seem as if for a lot of folks in this country come november there's going to be a choice between whether i go with the candidate that i don't really trust completely or do i go with the candidate whose temperament i don't trust completely? is that a fair assessment? >> i think it is a fair assessment. and i think right now, trump's problem is he's got to show himself to be presidential, and reach a certain threshold. there's no question the mood of the country is for change, and hillary clinton doesn't represent change. she's a continuation of the
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obama presidency. which ordinarily would take her down, but trump has not been able to reach that threshold where the public trusts hisser it purrment. he has four months to do it, i guess it's possible if he can get disciplined. right now this is a race where you have two very unpopular, highly polarized candidate. >> you say it's possible, we've seen donald trump for the past year, time and time again do things and say things that are undeniably not presidential, what makes you think he's all the sudden going to turn things around. >> well i don't know that he will, and even in the youtube age, but i will say this, public opinion is pretty fickle. and if you watch the polls, he's had good months, bad months, and the mood of the public is just down right angry at this point. and they are looking for somebody that represents change. and, you know, if he could ever get disciplined, i think he could put himself in a position to win this race, he has not shown that to date candidly, but
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you've got four months to go. he has a convention to redefine the erase. we'll see what they're capable of doing. he has a lot of work to do. if you look at the ingredients, they favor the republicans outright if they could ever put their act together. >> as we're having this conversation, we are looking live pictures of marine one about to touch down at joint base andrews, president obama, aboard marine one, he'll hop on air force one, and from there, they will make what is roughly an hour flight down to charlotte. charlotte, north carolina, the first joint appearance between president obama and hillary clinton. again, all of it likely overshadowed at least a bit by the news that we got roughly two and a half hours ago, congressman davis howard, governor dean if you could stick around for a moment. i want to bring in my colleague luke russert. you're there on capitol hill, you have new reaction from house
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speaker paul ryan. let me also just share this reaction that be we're getting in from reince priebus, of course head of the rnc. gross intelligence, blatant indifference to one's legal duty, comey defined hillary clinton's actions as gross intelligence in that presser. again there's the tweet from rhode island yebs priebus, this has marine one touches down. luke, what are you hearing there on the hill? >> hey there, craig. obviously republicans are fired up about the announcement that director comey made regarding hillary clinton and her e-mails. and paul ryan released just a scathing assault on hillary clinton saying, quote, while i respect the laurnlt professionals at the fbi, this announcement defies explanation. no one should be above the law, but based upon the director's own statement, it appears damage is being done to the rule of law. define clyning to prosecute secretary clinton for recklessly
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mishanding national transportation information will set a terrible precedent. craig, we often talk so much about the house of republican leadership and donald trump being on different pages when it comes to messaging on this issue, they are on the same page. they're both saying, trump outwardly and paul ryan insinuating it in that statement that this system is being rigged here for hillary clinton. hillary clinton committed a criminal act and she is getting off because of how the justice department views this regarding intent. expect republicans to move on this, mobilize on this, they believe the strongest card they have to play against hillary clinton is the lack of trust worthiness that we often see in our own nbc/wall street journal polls, the issue they have, obviously, craig, when it comes to judgment, they're nominee is probably the worst to make that case, depending on how you read the poll. because he often polls really low in having the judgment to take on the job of the presidency of the united states. all that being said though, this
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is an issue where republicans can unite, where they do really well on and expect them to say that this decision goes beyond the rule of law, there is no explanation for why she's not being prosecuted further and sets a terrible precedent and she's getting special treatment. the whole idea of special treatment, the elites are bo us is what they want to hone in on here and they can aid trump with who discipline sticks from the trump campaign. they'll be disciplined from the house gop leadership and the senate gop leadership, i can tell you that. >> luke, stand by for me again, for our vur's who might be joining us, that was just video of president obama boarding air force one, what you see -- excuse me, marine one, and what you see right now is marine one at joint base andrews, president obama expected to deplane any moment now. it's as if he's listening to our broadcast, president obama preparing to deplane marine one right now. he will then hop on air force one, they'll head down to charlotte. he and the former secretary of
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state, hillary clinton. we saw hillary clinton board marine one, i'd say maybe 20 or 30 minutes ago. we have not heard from the secretary of state since news broke roughly two and a half hours ago that the fbi would not be recommending charges be brought against her to the justice department for using that private e-mail server. it will be very interesting to see weather we do hear her address that at all in charlotte. kristin welker pointed out, if she does, the optics would be awkward to say the least. the presumptive documentic nominee standing next to the president of the united states. talking about not being charged criminally by the fbi. and there you see president obama heading to air force one. he is traveling, it looks like he's traveling by himself. no other staffers there with
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him. presumably a number of them are already on board as frequently as is customary in the customarily the case. jonathan capehart with the washington post also joining me now as president obama waves at folks who've assembled there. waving to us as well. roughly in our flight, joint appearance in charlotte set to happen at 3:00 eastern. jonathan you sat down with loretta lynch last week, the attorney general, was that before or after forgive me for not knowing. was that before or after that meeting with president clinton on the tarmac? >> that was after. the meeting with president clinton on the tarmac was on monday in phoenix. monday or tuesday in phoenix, and then we sat down the attorney general and i in aspen on friday at the aspen ideas festival for a long-scheduled interview that was supposed to be about her efforts and the justice department at criminal justice reform and 21st century
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policing. and then of course, everything was up ended as a result of that tarmac -- by chance tarmac meeting in philadelphia. i'm sorry, in phoenix. >> and she said that she would follow through on the fbi recommendations in this case. so one would assume despite what we've heard from a few folks that they are not going to be moving forward with any sort of charges. >> well, what the attorney general said was that what she was doing is explaining the process that career prosecutes were handling the investigation that predated her becoming an attorney general. she didn't become attorney general until last april. she said that it would go through the process and ultimately be reviewed by supervisors in the fbi right ups to the fbi director james comey. and as we saw over the weekend on saturday, the former secretary of state, hillary clinton, had her more than three hour meeting with the fbi on saturday and then today, the fbi director comes out and gives a
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very unusual press conference in not only laying out the process of what he and the investigators went through, but the determination that they made that they were sending to the attorney general. something that's not usually done. and by saying to me in aspen that she would be accepting the findings and recommendations of the career prosecutors and investigators she was making it clear that what was happening was something that was being done, not by political people, but by career people and that once they handed those over to, to her, she would look at them and make her, and make her determination, but when it pressed her on that in an interview, ten-minute interview after the aspen interview which was also on the record, she made it clear that she could not -- she said, i do not anticipate a circumstance where she would not fully accept what the fbi, what
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will the fbi came up with. >> hillary clinton is aboard air force one, she climbed those stairs 30 minutes or so ago. president obama is now aboard air force one as well. we just saw him board. they are on the tarmac there at joint base andrews, and oh jonathan capehart, to be a fly on the wall aboard the aircraft today. you have to wonder if secretary of state greeted him, if she greeted him by saying, whew, or -- >> right. >> or if it was a more somber tone. here's the thing though, you're going to have them appearing together in charlotte, two and a half hours after a news conference, and best i can gather, no one knew that was going to happen. the director, director comey said at the beginning that he had not spoke within anyone in the administration, this was a hastily called news conference. we got word, hour, hour and a half before it was set to happen. they are going to appear on stage together in charlotte.
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you have to wonder wlp she addresses it at all, if she doesn't, is it even more awkward? >> you know, i've been trying to figure out that, the answer to your question myself for a while now. what do they do? what does she do at that campaign stop? i would be -- i think i would be surprised if they did address it during the campaign stop. but to your original reaction, to be a fly on the wall inside the cabin, inside air force one would the reaction be, whew, i think it would be. because this removes a very dark cloud over the head, not only of the clinton for president campaign, but also over this rally that's about to happen in north carolina, and you might recall, this is a rescheduled rally from one that was cancelled last month and so now what will happen in north carolina is that you've got the president of the united states very popular president of the united states campaigning with the presumptive democratic
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nominee. so if anything, even if they don't address this issue at that campaign rally i wouldn't be surprised if you hear extraer n inner have that now that big thing, that big dark cloud over that campaign is gone. >> jonathan capehart with the washington post, jonathan, thanks as always, sir, luke russert for us on capitol hill, congressman tom davis, thank you as well. and a big thanks as always to vermont, former vermont governor, ahead of the dnc, howard dean. as you can stlee there, air for one about to take off from joint base andrews, headed down to charlotte, north carolina. president obama making his first campaign appearance of the season with secretary, former secretary of state hillary clinton. three, four hours after that,
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and now has new pants he ordered from banana republic. visit geico.com and see how affordable renters insurance can be. e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. she also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the united states, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated aer have -- edadversarieadversaries. it is possible that will hostile actors gained access to secretary clinton's personal e-mail account. >> on the left side, secretary of state hillary clinton boarding air force one, on the right side, president obama boarding air force one as well. they are on the way to charlotte, north carolina, for their first joint campaign appearance of the season, that's
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set to happen at 3:00 eastern there in charlotte, north carolina. all of this, of course, overshadowed by the news from fbi director james comey, almost three hours ago that he would not be recommending to the justice department that clinton face any charges related to her use of that personal e-mail server. i'm joined now on the phone by former new mexico governor bill richardson who also served as energy secretary under secretary clinton, also an msnbc contributor and a noted clinton supporter. mr. richardson, let me just start with the last piece of sound that we played there from james comey. this idea that she was using her e-mail in the territory of sophisticated enemies and that it is possible that she was hacked by the bad guys. as a former ambassador, what say you to that? >> well, look, secretary clinton has said this was a mistake, she
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wouldn't do it again, but the reality is a career service, the fbi, an independent fbi director, you know, we've had mueller, now comey, basically said there was no harm to national security, they are not pressing charges. the republicans are culminating because their major issue is over. it's basically over. they're going to continue making it an issue, but the reality is that this cloud has been taken away, and we need to now move on to the major issues, the economy, national security, you know, instead of just pulmonatoing on this issue that now has been concluded, craig. >> you say its been concluded, but i also get this instant you know that this is not something that at least politically is going to go away. this is, this is a little bit more of what director comey had to say about hillary clinton's use, take a listen.
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>> there is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in secretary clinton's position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. >> ambassador, he also said that she was extremely careless, he went on to site a number of instances where these e-mails were in fact shown to contain classified information, despite the fact she said she never sent any e-mails marked as classified, the distinction is important. one could argue that you're a former senator from new york, you are formally first lady, you are a brilliant woman in your own right, and here you are using your personal e-mail in enemy areas. she should have noun better, you would acknowledge and she said the same, so this idea that
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perhaps she's exercising bad judgment on a regular basis, how does she counter that? >> well, she counters that by her record, a very good record as secretary of state, a very solid record as a senator, as a first lady, she is talking about major national security issues. she admitted, craig, it was a mistake, it won't happen again, other secretaries of state, republican did the same thing. i'm not justifying the whole practice, but, you know, this is a new technological age, but the reality is, an fbi director, a man of consummate integrity basically said there is no crime, there is no charges, no harm to national security. there was carelessness, you know, you move on, everybody, you know, i've been careless in some of the things that aye done as a public official, but you move on. there was no harm to national security. maybe there was some hacking,
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but we don't have conclusive proof. and when career prosecutors, law enforcement, the fbi, you know, they are beyond politics, they don't get into politics, they made this conclusion, then i think we accepted and we move on. yeah, republicans are going to continue using this. this has gone from a huge, huge headache to a mild headache. they're going to continue using it. they've got little else. >> mr. richardson, governor, ambassador, always appreciate your time, always appreciate your insight, sir. >> thank you, my friend. >> let's take a look at your reaction to today's microsoft pulse question. there is the question, do you think the fbi's findings will impact hillary clinton's campaign? here are the results, so far, 80% of you, 80% of you say no, pulse remains live. you can continue to weigh in on the conversation, pulse.msnbc.com. republicans in congress sounding off about the fbi findings, first though, one major publisher is using robot
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republican leaders, including house speaker paul ryan, kevin mckartsy speaking out forcefully after that announcement. the latest coming from the rnc who has said in part, quote, the fbi's findings are a glaring indictment of hillary clinton's complete lack of judgment, honesty, and preparedness to be our next commander and chief. for more reaction from the republican party, turn to congressman blake barron. he holdings the 27th district. he supports donald trump for president, we should note that. congressman, we now know that charges are not going to be recommended by the fbi, so, does that mean that the republican party or donald trump can continue this narrative that hillary clinton is a criminal or is donald trump said frequently that she needs to be in jail. >> i think there are a lot of problems with hillary clinton and extremely careless, i don't really want to see an extremely careless president. whoops, i nuked a country, come on, we need somebody that's not
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extremely careless. >> that wasn't my question. now that we know charges are not forthcoming, should donald trump continue this narrative that she belongs in jail or she's a criminal? >> well, i think it's too early to pull away from that right now. we've gotten the fbi not recommending charges but it does remain up to the department of justice and federal prosecutors. and i think there are different statutes you could look at. the information that hillary clinton had in those e-mails was defense-related classified information. the standard is not intentionally and knowingly it's gross negligence and i think extremely careless comes pretty close to gross negligence and would be easier to prove in a court. i think a jury needs to decide this. >> you believe that a grand jury needs to be impanelled? >> i do. and i think that would do away with some of this nonsense that is going on right now of finger pointing. i have to say, the head of the -- the attorney general, the head of the fbi both basically
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political appointees. you get in the the hands of the citizens -- >> but comey was a bush appointee. >> again, you stick around this town too long and it starts to rub off on you and i can tell you, you look at how hillary clinton was treated compared to general petraeus and you have -- you just have to shake your head going what the heck is going on? >> there are legal experts who have been talking about this over the past few hours, the distinction between the clinton case and the petraeus case. petraeus, admittedly, there was a deliberate attempt to conceal. >> agreed. but in the clinton case i think you have so many. and if she didn't know that it was dangerous to keep this information on a private server, she should have and younger voters that are computer savvy are going to understand that and i don't think they'll want to put somebody in the white house who has such a poor understanding of cyber security which i think is one of the greatest threats our nation faces right now. >> should this announcement from
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the fbi director in any way, shape, or form change the way that donald trump runs his campaign against hillary clinton moving forward? >> i think his narrative that it's crooked hillary is just that. as the fbi director says, it was careless. you look at the other things, the money that's come in through the clinton foundations and everything else, you might as well change her middle name from "rodham" to "scandal." >> you speak as if, congressman, that the candidate that you have endorsed and publicly support, you speak as if he comes without any baggage at all. >> listen, no candidate is perfect. but given the choice between donald trump and hillary clinton, i think it's an easy decision. >> texas congress man blake fahrenholt, we appreciate you coming on this morning. thank you. >> thank you. a wave of isis attacks has the world on edge. we'll check in with richard engel in turkey right after a quick break.
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some breaking news now. isis claims to have shot down a drone in northern syria. let's get right to nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel in istanbul, turkey. richard, what more do we know about that? >> the air force has issued a statement saying that it did, in fact, lose "positive control" of an mq-9 reaper drone it was flying an anti-isis mission but that it was not shot down by enemy fire. that it crashed by some technical error and that it was destroyed by coalition aircraft once it was on the ground. and never fell into isis hands. so these kind of things happen when you're flying a machine thousands of miles away by remote control. in this case it seems according to the air force the operator has lost control, it crashed and was destroyed and isis trying to
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gain some propaganda out of it claiming it shot it down. >> let's pivot and talk about the string of attacks that we have seen in that part of the world over the past few days and what these attacks tell us now about isis and their level of sophistication. >> well, i think it's -- it says a lot of things about isis but one of them -- one message you might say is that isis is being pressured at home and because it's facing a lot of military setbacks in places like fallujah, even in parts of syria that the group is projecting its power outside. and it is carrying out a string of attacks that were designed to be escalated during the month of ramadan. and you saw the attack in baghdad. i think that's the direct response to fallujah where isis lost fallujah so it goes and it hits the soft underbelly of baghdad, hits shiites in particular in a shiite
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neighborhood, the neighborhood of karrada, with that massive truck bomb that burned up the buildings on both sides of the street. then you saw the attack at the airport here in istanbul and most recently these three attacks in saudi arabia, including one in the city of medina, not very far from the mosque where the muslim prophet mohammed is buried. that is a serious message to the saudi government, a message to try and undermine the saudi monarchy effectively saying that they're not doing their job of protecting islam's holy places. >> and we have the hajj upon us as well. >> well, i think if you look at the calendar, right now the -- isis decided it was going to attack during ramadan and you can add to the list i mentioned before the orlando attack. now there's information coming out of israel that the shooter who fired in tel aviv was also
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inspired by isis, a real serious uptick in violence during this muslim holy month. then the choice of targeting the islamic sites in saudi arabia. after ramadan is over comes the hajj. it is another huge responsibility that is on the shoulders of the saudi royal family hosting several million people every year, pilgrims who come from this muslim obligation. if isis is attacking now in saudi arabia and its chosen religious holidays that i think you can be very concerned about the hajj. >> nbc's richard engel for us in turkey. richard, thanks as always, sir. that's it for me this hour. much, much more ahead on msnbc, including rnc communications director sean spicer. my colleague thomas roberts picks things up right now. 6- hi, everybody, great to have you with me, i'm thomas roberts at msnbc world headquarters in new york. the clinton campaign clearing a legal hurdle via the fbi.
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but clinton and her team labelled as extremely careless in their use of e-mail. in a closely watched investigation and a highly anticipated announcement the fbi will not recommend charges to the department of justice over hillary clinton's use of a private server during his tenure as secretary of state. >> we are expressing to justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case. although we did not find clear evident that secretary clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive highly classified information. any reasonable person in secretary clinton's position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. this investigation was done honestly, competently and independently. no outside influence of
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