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a black man apparently shot point black. protests have erupted overnight. >> i think something really needs to be done. >> why was he shot? was he reaching for a gun? a news conference about to get underway any moment now. and trump on the attack. donald trump pouncing on hillary clinton after the fbi director's blistering critique of her e-mail server. >> this is one of the most crooked politicians in history. >> mr. trump now claiming the attorney general was bought off by the clinton campaign. >> it's a bribe. it's a disgrace. it's a disgrace. >> this as hillary clinton tries to turn the page. she's heading to atlantic city to take on trump's business record. we're covering it all. we must begin with the breaking news in baton rouge, louisiana. we're about to learn new

information about a man who was killed by police. a news conference is about to get underway. cell phone video apparently showing the man being shot. it has sparked outrage. we warn you, this video is graphic. police say officers were dispatched after a 911 call claiming someone had been threatened with a gun. when they arrived two officers confronted alton sterling. take a look at this video shot by a witness. [ gunshots ]

>> clearly a distressing video. walk us through to the best of your knowledge what's happening here. >> there's a lot we don't know. what we have here as we've had in other cases is video of part of the incident. what happened beforehand could be crucial and what happened before you hear those shots is crucial. some of it is off camera. >> we haven't seen that. >> that's correct. what's concerning here is a situation where it does appear from the part of the video available that the officers have this individual, mr. sterling, relatively restrained, which is to say what kind of threat does he pose? then you hear off camera the audio of what we believe to be an officer saying he's got a gun. it's close contact. there may have been enough of a threat that they used force, in this case deadly force. the legal standard -- and we await this press conference where we will learn new information. what we would be interested in legally is, was there the kind

of threat here against the officers of grievous bodily injure or death. >> why were the police being called? >> we are told that according to a 911 caller there was some information or statement regarding a threat about a person with a gun. again, i haven't heard myself. we don't have the audio of that yet. the other thing we can throw into the mix according to local reporters on the ground and associated press is that the store owner who did say they witnessed this. the individual who witnessed this says they didn't see mr. sterling him reaching for or pulling a gun. >> at the time when he was being restrained. >> according to one witness. now, we haven't heard anything yet from the officers in depth. again, i want to be clear, testimony matters. there will be more than one perspective on that incident.

according to a local reporter with the a.p. you have a store owner, a witness, saying they diplomat see him reaching. whether or not there was a weapon or contraband found on the person in this video doesn't answer the question of whether the force was justified. >> this happened in the early hours tuesday morning. what has the community response been? we've heard there are protests. >> we've heard there are protests and people gathering. alton sterling's sister is already speaking out and putting this in the context in her view of a racial component and an injustice. again, we have not confirmed everything yet, but that is to your question about community response is part of it. let's hear from mr. sterling's sister. >> something really need to be done and something needs to be done quick about this. not just for my brother, but for everybody. it seemed like y'all getting an okay card to just, okay, you can kill whoever you want to kill and nothing is going to be done

about it. >> nothing is going to be done about it. that is her concern, her allegation. these officers are immediately on administrative leave. a lot we don't know that we could learn at this press conference today. >> again, we haare waiting for news conference on this. we're going to bring that live when it happens. donald trump trying to do what the feds have opted not to, make hillary clinton pay a price for those e-mails. hallie jackson is with me in new york. she's got the latest from team trump. and kristin welker has the latest from hillary clinton. hallie, we've got to start with you. donald trump is not going to let this go. he was speaking yesterday. >> i always felt that hillary clinton would escape criminal charges for her dangerous and illegal behavior because i always knew and i always see and it's so sad that our system is in fact rigged. it's totally rigged.

>> told you so? that's his message? >> why would this go anywhere. he's been talking about the system being rigged for months since the primaries. he's been talking about, quote, unquote, crooked hillary. this simply validated what he's been saying all along. the question for trump though k he stay on message or will he go off script? right now the message is one that many republicans want to see. they want to see trump taking on hillary clinton. he's doing it right now. he's got this new video out too kind of contrasting comey and clinton and the comments from yesterday. he just tweeted that out. >> we're looking at some video from it. this is a moment where trump could drop the mike and say

simply look, it's crooked hillary. why does he need to take this leap and say loretta lynch, it's a payoff. she's being bribed. >> what we've seen trump do in the past and even just yesterday too coming up with these conspiracy theories, these leaps of faith or suggesting wrongdoing or raising questions about them. this is something trump has shown a pattern of doing. it resonates with people who support him. the question is whether it resonates in a general election or whether it is simply distracting from that core message, the one going after clinton going after this e-mail situation and replaying this video that we just showed you a little clip of. getting 6.5 million views in the last 15 hours. clearly people are watching. >> he then last night spoke about saddam hussein. some have said he praised him.

let's put that into context a little here. >> he called him a bad guy. but at the same time he appeared to laud how he has handled terrorists. >> saddam hussein was a bad guy, right? he was a bad guy. really bad guy. but you know what he did well? he killed terrorists. he did that so good. >> so this raises some eyebrows not just within his own party. speaker paul ryan kind of distancing himself from this, saying saddam hussein was one of the most evil people of the 20th century. >> thanks, hallie jackson. i want to stay on clinton. getting the clinton camp's reaction to all of this and i want to bring in kristin welker who joins us live. kristin, good news, bad news for hillary clinton? yes, there's no indictment. but as it relates to these

e-mails, her defense over the last year appears to be refuted by what james comey had to say yesterday. >> that's the big challenge for the clinton campaign moving forward. clinton officials say this allows us to turn the page because the bottom line is comey is not going to recommend charged. >> i need to interrupt you because the press conference is now underway. the family lawyer for sterling in louisiana is at the podium speaking. he actually just stepped away. this is the first we're going to be hearing from alton sterling's family lawyer clearly giving their family's position. earlier you showed us a bit from alton's aunt. >> i think what we expect here is a press conference with a view of what the family thinks happened, any information they may bring to bear. they have discussed things with the authorities, so they may have their view of what the authorities said. we're also working to confirm

that independently. you can see from the signs here as we pan out, stop killing us. some of the statements we've seen in the text of black lives matter. it is early yet in this case and there's a lot yet to learn. but in the legal process what we might also expect to here is whether this lawyer wants to pursue any civil suit. >> isn't it still early to know if they're going to pursue a civil suit? this happened merely 24 hours ago. >> it is the job of any good counsel to try to give to this case what they view as the victim's family, what would police would call the suspect's family, all their options. one of the issues in these cases is how investigations work, what kind of accountability there is. let's be clear. a civil suit is only for damages, what is usually called wrongful death, as well as under the federal statutes you look at

wrongful act under the color of law. basically were these officers not acting lawfully. it is certainly the case we've seen in other issues, in chicago, in cleveland, in baltimore where there are cases where the criminal process is going in one direction and not charging the officers and yet the police in the city will then spend millions of dollars to get a civil case resolved. >> why can both of those cases exist and going in opposite directions? >> the standard of proof. it is the same as o.j. simpson's prosecution. he was acquitted in a criminal context and then found to be responsible for the same acts in a civil context. they are different standards of proof. what we're seeing here, this is an issue, the question around policing and police brutality or alleged police brutality that seems to flare up when there are incidents and then it also seems

to recede. you can go online some days and this story is not on the front page. and weeks or months go by and then you see again the issue arise when you have an incident like this, which again we still are learning about. >> this is not the family lawyer but the press conference is beginning. let's take you there. >> we call this press conference to start to let the community know what has been going on, to let the community know that we are silently -- that we're going to root out all the causes of evil. this is the last time an innocent entrepreneur will be killed unlawfully by anyone in this city. right now i have the attorney for the family who wants to make a statement. >> good morning. my name is edmund jordan. i'm the attorney for sandra

sterling. i have the mother of cameron sterling who is alton's son. what we want to do today is, first of all, i want to start off by saying thank god for apple, thank god for google, thank god for microsoft. if not for them, maybe we wouldn't be here today right now as we are congregated. one of the first things the baton rouge police department did is go and confiscate the video system from triple s food mart. mr. abdullah said that they had him in his car, did not present him with a search warrant but went in and took his system. so he's confident that his video, his surveillance video shows the entire incident. that is now in the possession of the baton rouge police

department. now, there are no criminal charges pending against anyone as far as we know. certainly because of the tragic and unfortunate situation with mr. sterling, no criminal charges could be filed against him. so why are they holding onto this video? we hadn't heard them saying anything about bringing an investigation against the officers. so what we've asking for and we have other leaders who have asked for the same thing, is for this investigation to be taken out of the hands of the baton rouge police department and handed over to louisiana state police. the mayor has said he will not be involved in a coverup. and the best way to ensure there is no coverup is to hand it over to some neutral third party. i also want to thank congressman richmond because i understand last night he asked for the justice department and the fbi to be involved. that's the same thing i'm requesting for the family as well. what i'll tell you is this, i

don't think that the department knew that there was another video out there. we certainly believe there may be other videos that show this situation as well. so what i want to say is, certainly please send your prayers and condolences out to the family, because we certainly want to say -- this is ms. mcmillan right here, the mother of mr. sterling. this is cameron sterling, alton's son. we want to make sure that you send your prayers out to them because we need it. and we're praying that the truth ultimately comes out from this. we think with an independent investigation we can get down to that and that's what the family wants. so i'll hand it over back to mr. mcclanahan.

>> we're actually here today to speak to the culture of the baton rouge police department. you know, this incident is only one incident in many. what we are going to do today is root out the 1% of bad police officers that go around becoming the judge, the jury and the executioner of innocent people, period. but more specifically, innocent black lives. what i'm calling for today is that the chief law enforcement officer which is the mayor to fire the chief of police immediately. i demand for the chief to be fired immediately. i demand that he resign if he has the guts. secondly, i'm calling for the chief executive of this city to resign, to step down. he must step down because this is a new day.

we will not have in our city, the capital city, anybody who allows this type of action to take place. it will not take place. i'm calling for the ceo and the chief law enforcement, all of them to resign. i'm calling for a full investigation of this police department and this website where they go on and call black folks anything they want to call them. it's uncalled for. if you sit behind the screen of a computer, you act upon it when you get out in front of the community. we ain't going to run around scared. i will no longer tell my son when you see a police officer, say yes, sir and bow down to him. hell no. everything didn't start today. it's not going to stop today. i promise you, we will continue to act until we get the 1 percenters gone and this chief law enforcement officer gone, period. thank you.

>> mr. mcmillan wants to make a statement. >> take your time. >> first of all, i want to give thanks to all the residents of baton rouge and those who have came and expressed their condolences throughout the different meetings over the past 48 hours. i also want to clear some things up prior to the beginning. >> take your time. take your time. take your time.

>> what i really need to say, alton sterling, regardless if you knew him or not, he is not what the mass media is making him out to be. this is the -- the image of a man who simply tried to earn a living. to take care of his children. with that being said, the individuals involved in his murder took away a man with children who depended upon their daddy on a daily basis.

my son is not the youngest. he is the oldest of his siblings. he is 15 years old. he had to watch this as this was put all over the outlets and everything that was possible to be shown. and some may know alton. he was not bothering anyone. he had the consent of the store owners as well. and the events recorded of the two officers. if we could reflect on the measure of a man, it should not be judged on his past.

but mostly a man left his life and left the lives of his children. as this video has been shared across the world, you will see with your own eyes how he was handled unjustly and killed without regard for the life that he helped raise. as a mother, i have now been forced to raise a son who is going to remember what happened to his father that i can't take away from him. he is at an age of understanding.

i hurt more for him and his loss as a parent, one of the great t est is to see your child hurt and know there's nothing you can do about it. what i saw last night from the real citizens of baton rouge will forever warm my heart. we offer a complete community of individuals who will carry this burden and also stand together to ensure that this event will not go unjustice, it will not go unnoticed, especially for the future. >> no justice, no peace. >> i, for one, will not rest or

not allow him to be swept in the di dirt. >> take your time. >> i say again, i for one will not rest and will not allow y'all to sweep him in the dirt. until the adequate punishment is served to all parties involved. again, i want to thank everyone

for their thoughts and prayers. they will not go unnoticed. >> under any normal circumstances, the criminal justice system says if a person commits a crime, he's to be arrested. he's to be charged and the system will take place. i'm calling on anybody in this city with any backbone to go and arrest those two officers. if the system will work for anybody, tshit should work for m too. let a judge set their bond. if there was a murder, there should be a bond, period. let those two officers be arrested and charged with capital murder. let them hire lawyers to weasel themselves out.

thank god for youtube and iphones. without the iphones, they might have gotten away. i want them to know them and their friends -- because they run in packs like dogs, that their day of reckoning is upon them. they must make peace with their maker. it's the last time they should walk free to harm another. we will not stop until justice is served, not only for this young man that died, for all others that have died and been bruised at the hand of unlawful police officers. we want you to know this is not the beginning, nor is this the end. we shall go until we achieve victory. we shall get victory for all those involved. we shall get victory. >> i stand with scoc. i stand with the naacp, the nation of islam, we stand with all people, with our victim that has been murdered. what we are calling for, the

justice, we're calling for an economic boycott starting this friday of the louisiana mall. that's what we are calling for. we're not going to stop as brother mike mcclanahan, president of the naacp, says until we get justice. let's withhold our money starting this friday. don't spend anything at the mall of louisiana. thank you. >> your name sir? >> abdul mohammed, local representative of the nation of islam. >> at this time -- my name is gary chambers, publisher here in baton rouge. we will not supply the family at this time because of the emotional toll it's taken on the family. but there is a unified front. we have elected officials here, we have people of the faith

based community, we have nonprofit leaders here. this is not a place where we are trying to pit all of our community against police officers. we understand that all police officers are not bad. but this must be answered for. it should not take national attention for us to get an answer about a man being murdered by police officers and then for offers to puicers to p out of his pocket and shoot him at point-blank range. we will not stand for it. with that being said, if there are a few questions we will take it and start with national media first. any questions? >> what else duo you know about the police body cameras? >> as far as what we have been told by the police department, is that the body cameras fell off of them. they have not released any

footage to us as of yet. there is supposedly dash cam video as well. but we have not seen dash cam video or police body cam video. the video from the surveillance video of the store clerk was taken by the police officers. that video footage has also not been released. they took the store owner's video camera and recorder from the store. we do not understand why they took the video recorder. that is a question for us, because the store clerk should still be able to watch what is happening at his store. and so state representative denise marcel has led with body cameras and she is going to have conversations leading forward as as a results to finding out how do we get answers to what is going on with the body cam footage. we are going to set a community meeting for this afternoon so that we can be on the same page. we want all of our faith based

leader, all of our people who care, black, white, whatever your believer or ethnicity is, we believe this is a baton rouge issue and we need to come together as a city and say this is not going to stand in our community. they say baton rouge is a tale of two cities. we have seen that that is true. now it's time to begin to figure out how do we move forward and how quickly are we going to get our resolve together to do so. [ inaudible question ] >> what i believe is they should come forth and give us answers to the questions we've been asking since yesterday. in fact, i e-mailed the chief yesterday asking that the louisiana state police, an external investigation be done so that it would not have the appearance of any conflict of interest. however, i was told that wasn't going to happen. what i believe is this community deserves an answer. i don't believe they should have waited this long to give us the answers that we're asking for.

let me just say the sooner that you come out with something, then you can set the rest of the people in the community. if you don't do that, then people continue to have questions. as many videos that have come out, the worse it's going to get. yes, i'm calling upon them to come out and give us some direct answers or charge the officers. give us some information. we need to get arrest in the community. i'm calling upon them to unify the community. >> let me -- go ahead, sir. >> do you believe there's any truth to what the police are saying? >> what are they saying? exactly. [ inaudible ] >> we haven't heard a clear explanation of why the officers fired their weapons on this

gentleman. that's why we're here, because it shouldn't take so long to get an answer from our police department. >> have you talked with the family about purr cachasing a wn recently or -- >> no. i don't know the answer to that question, but it is irrelevant. if you look at the video, it certainly speaks for it. mr. sterling was not reaching for a weapon. he looks like a man who's trying to get his head up who's actually fighting for his life, a life that ended immediately thereafter, almost as if he knew what was about to happen. the video speaks for itself. >> now, as police officers, they'they e they're trained for any and every scenario. you know, they're trained. you cannot tell me that those officers had not been trained how to go upon a scene with a gentleman that may or may not

have a weapon. they're trained. but be that as it may, even if they weren't trained, two guys had him down by his arms. i can take candy from a baby. these guys did not want to take a gun from him until he was dead. i promise you, evidence will show when they arrived on the scene they had shooting somebody on their mind. because the gun came out too fast. my training would kick in and say let me talk to you first, let me use deception so i can knock you down and put handcuffs on you. whatever it may be. they did none of that. the only thing they had on their mind was to kill this guy. not only did they kill him, they walked over him. they would not do animals like that. these guys have that type of mentality, they do not need to be sitting home on administrative pay leave.

>> how concerned are you about the failure of police body cameras in this case? did it seem they fell off rather -- [ inaudible ] >> we don't know if they fell off or was taken off. what's important is we have a video that's showing you what happened. and we see an individual that's being assassinated in front of us. one thing about these cameras, because we all say it about the cameras, eric garner had the cleare esest cameras ever and t still did not indict or hold these police officers responsible. we want these individuals held responsible because this is becoming a common trend across america. but it's one we will not stand for here in baton rouge. we are here to ask them to be transparent, make sure they show us everything. where is that footage that led up until they fell off? we should see the cameras dangling. we want to see all of that.

we want it step by step to make sure they're not lying, because they have been known to lie. that's where we are. >> to answer your question, i was told that by the chief of police that both body cams fell off in a tussle. they're using them throughout the nation and they're not falling off of other officer's uniforms. i will call him immediately to stop using those body cameras, number one. >> when is the last time you spoke with him? >> yesterday. it was yesterday afternoon after i sent him an e-mail, he called me back requesting that the state police come in. he did call me back and that's when he said that the body cams had fallen off. they had some footage but the footage wasn't very clear.

so the footage that we have that's good is from the store. i think a lot of the unrest is in the fact that we do have a video at the store. and why haven't they released that video? i don't understand that. why haven't they given us some indications of where this investigation is going or will be leading to? those are some of the questions that i'm asking. also, one of the other things that came up on the body camera commission where i chair is that whether or not an officer should be able to view that body cam prior to making a statement. i was told yesterday that he had not given his statement yet. they were giving him time to get with his lawyer. that also concerns me. that also concerns me. >> what did the chief say about the request for the state police? >> he said that the state police probably would not want to take over the investigation because they had gathered a lot of the information at the scene and talked to a lot of the witnesses. what i said to the chief is going forward, we should never have another situation like

this. we should have a memorandum of understanding with the louisiana state police where the baton rouge city police backs up from this type of incident and allows them to come in initially and make those investigations transparent. that's what i'm calling for, transparen transparency. >> let me take a few moments to allow ms. sandra sterling, the aunt who raised alton sterling, to speak to you guys for a few moments. >> hello. my name is sandra sterling. i'm the aunt of alton. i raised him. i'm not pleased with what i saw. i was out there the day of and i was actually out of my body for a couple of days. i actually, when i saw this video at 4:00 this morning i was very disturbed and hurt at wa i saw. >> take your time.

>> it's a horrible thing. it's a horrible thing that happened to him. he didn't deserve that. he didn't deserve that. i commend the person that finally brought that video up. had she not brought it up, we would have been blinded. we never really would have known what happened. by those cameras being lost, it was that individual yvideo that realize what happened that particular night. it shed light on everything we didn't know. we was blinded. >> does anybody know who captured that video? >> we don't know. somebody posted it to facebook. we're thankful that they did. >> yes, sir? [ inaudible question ] >> no. we do not trust the police department at this stage at all.

they have not given us reason to trust them. when trust is a relationship based thing, it is a communication between us and a communication between them. we have not had that communication from them to us. therefore there has been no trust established as it relates this situation. yes, sir. [ inaudible question ] >> we will address each issue as it comes up. >> let me just say this to you briefly. i don't want to dismiss your question, but let me say this to you. everybody here has fought on criminal justice reform and we've all said it's not just about citizen reform, it's about community policing. so if nothing else, this is going to be one of the conversations that we're going to have as how to police interacts with every community in baton rouge, but certainly

the communities in north baton rouge. >> hold tight. >> all right. listen, we're not going to take anymore questions but we will say there's a vigil tonight at 6:00 at triple s food mart at the foreigncorner of fairfield. >> i want to bring in a crime reporter with the advocate in baton rouge. you were at the press conference. talk to us about what it's like there on the ground. >> here at baton rouge i'm at city hall right now for the press conference i think your viewers just heard. a lot of local political and community leaders expressing a lot of outrage over the handling of this shooting by the police department. i was up at the store where the shooting took place until about 3:00 this morning. large crowds out there. and getting quite testy. a lot of anger.

certainly stayed nonviolent, but people were -- >> say that again. testy? you were there outside the store where it happened and you said people were testy but not violent, correct. >> correct, yes. >> the store is open? >> yes, they're still open. the owner of the store who witnessed the shooting and spoke with us, with my colleague, he was giving out free soda and water to the protesters. stayed open into the night. >> did that witness see a gun? >> he said he saw a gun be pulled out of mr. sterling's pocket after the shooting had already happened, but that he didn't see him ever reach for the gun or draw it or anything like that. he said there had been some muggings in the area a few weeks back and that mr. sterling had a

gun for protection because of that. >> when he saw that gun, was th that when the police were present? >> he said he saw it after the shooting. he saw a police officer reach into mr. sterling's pocket and pull out a gun. >> i want to bring in reverend al sharpton. he is the host of politics nation and the president of the national action network. reverend al, is it fair to say you have been in these situations before. what do you make of this? >> the irony is i just came in from new orleans yesterday afternoon because we're planning the rallies around the second anniversary of eric garner who was killed in a chokehold here in new york by police for selling merchandise in front of a store. it's almost kind of scary two years later and we're still

waiting for a federal grand jury to decide on gardener. >> is it not too soon to say this is similar circumstances? it happened 36 hours ago. even though we've already seen video, we've seen just a very short piece. >> that's what they said about garner. there's no conclusion to garner yet. but there's a video in both situations. what we don't know is what's on the video from the police dash cams because they suddenly fell off. so what was recorded before they fell off, what happened and how did the police determine that there was life extenuating circumstances. i think the real issue here -- and it was raised by the attorney for the family, representative jordan. and many of our national action network people on the ground are talking to them -- is who's

going to do the investigation? one of the things that happened in new york is the governor of new york i think set a national precedent coming out of garner that you needed an independent prosecutor. the communities usually cannot and they've expressed that this morning, trust local police to investigate themselves >> so when you have a situation that is questionable and i think they made it very clear, they're not condemning all police but they're condemning what happened here. >> they did call for the chief of police to be fired. and the chief of police was clearly not there. >> well, again, you had some that will say different things in coalitions. i think jordan, who's speaking for the family, clearly said we're not blaming all police, but we want to see a fair and impartial investigation. i think that's going to be the determining factor. who heads the investigation? who does the investigation? because usually if local police and local prosecutors are involved, there is the answer

appearance of a conflict of interest. >> in a situation like this you basically have four parties here. you have mr. sterling, you have the police who we can see from the video were involved in this altercation that resulted in his death. you have the investigative arm of the police and potentially of other entities. and then you have witnesses. there's a lot we don't know yet. on the police side, i think their perspective would be the public and even the people in the incident are reacting to a tiny slice of video and what we believe to be potentially many many many minutes more video. on that, that's different video that could be in the body cameras if they're functioning. we don't know. and from the convenience store. on the investigative side, if it is even possible that there should be an investigation, it certainly legally cannot be done by the people who would be suspected in the investigation.

that's a big question today. how do the police respond? do they refer this to an independent body? >> we haven't heard anything from the mayor or the governor. that may be in the works. >> we don't know that. if you can take one of the reasons i raised in new york -- we had the special prosecutor after garner and now all cases. if new york, as big as it is, the governor would say you guys are right. let's have objective prosecution. baton rouge, which is much smaller, you would assume the police and the d.a. would know these two policemen that were involved. it would make a lot of sense to listen to what they're saying in terms of an independent prosecutor if something as big as new york state would do it. you don't even need the appearance of a conflict. it's too early to tell what is all there, but it is very important to establish who is going to determine what is all there when it's all released. >> before we jump to the

conclusion about where the surveillance video is from the convenience store, is it practice that after any sort of crime scene the police would then confiscate the video. a member of sterling's family said that video should have stayed with the convenience store owner. >> it's a very defeifficult question. police don't have free wheeling authority to take anything they want. they usually are taking evidence subject to a crime. in this case, whatever crime maybe alleged against mr. sterling is not going to be prosecuted because he is deceased. the question of what they're doing with video or anything else they take pursuant to this incident becomes more mixed. that does not mean based on what we know that they've done anything wrong. they would have to answer to what crime or investigation is this material pursuant to. this individual is deceased. is it pursuant to these officers? okay. a chain of custody question.

did the officers on that scene take that video? who did they hand it off to? these are important questions. and again asking questions in law or journalism doesn't assume anything wrong. if you were attorney for these officers, one of the first things you would want to do is gather up the video before your police clients spoke to anyone in their interest. they have rights too. they're innocent until proven guilty. you'd want to see is there anything in this video to suggest that mr. sterling was a lethal threat. and if any video shows him menacing people with a loaded weapon, that would be something positive for the defense of the officers. >> the question is it may show the opposite of that, which is why i think you need independent people to have that evidence. because suppose if it doesn't show that he was a lethal threat, that he did nothing wrong, then do you have people

that some in the community would feel would be suspicious of you handling that evidence. why should we believe you? and if there was no crime, then why are you taking evidence, investigating a crime that you have not charged? even though steriling though st you've got to investigate what crime you're investigating in the first place. did the store owner say he was doing something to him? there are too many questions not to have an independent prosecutor. >> we have to take a break. but before we go, that video, assuming it's in the state's hands right now, is there a legal obligation to share it with the general public since the general public has seen this iphone video taken by a bystander? >> the question will be who is in charge of all of this evidence going forward if an

investigation is warranted? sometimes the police say we have a shooting that was so clearly justified, we don't think we need to do more on it. i will community. i will reiterate there's a lot we don't know. but the video that is available suggests there's a lot of questions yesterday to be answered. >> we'll continue to break down what we do know after this break. when we return, ari melber and reverend al sharpton will be with us. you're watching msnbc. onnected . onnected . just 30 billion? so, a bold group of researchers and computer scientists in silon valley had a breakthrough they called... the machine. the machine. it changed the basic architecture of computing... putting a massive pool of memory at the center of everything. and by doing so... it changed the world.

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as a mother, i have now been forced to raise a son who is going to remember what happened to his father, that i can't take away from him. he is at an age of understanding. i hurt more for him and his loss as a parent, one of the greatest

fears is to see your child hurt and knowing there's nothing you can do about it. >> clearly an emotional and distressing video. that woman is the mother of elton sterling's eldest son cameron. reverend al, there's so much we don't know at this point. clearly it is a very tense environment. we spoke to a local reporter who was at the convenience store a full 24 hours later where there were many, many people outside. though it's not violent, it's tense. how does the community maintain calm? how does leadership in the community -- when the chief of police has already been called upon to be fired by the head of the naacp which happened just moments ago, how do they keep the community calm? >> i think the community says how do you deal with the police, also, dealing with this fairly. i think the way to do it is to have this taken out of the local hands, which is what clearly the

attorney said, and that there be a fair and impartial investigation. the only violence we've seen so far, and clearly they call for no violence going forward -- the community has not been violent, and to me is not unrest to protest when you have a man dead that should be alive, for whatever the circumstances. but the violence that we saw was this man was killed, and the community has a right to question why was he killed. and clearly, if that pattern has been all over the country and is not happening in other communities, i think it would be unnatural for people not to be raising their voices. they're not doing it violently, but doing it dramatically. i think clearly that is necessary. >> we actually have with us via phone representative edmond jordan who is representing the sterling family joining us now. good morning. thank you for joining us. clearly a distressing morning. can you speak to the next steps,

representative jordan? what has your communication with the police department again? >> i'm sorry. say that one more time. >> your communication with the police department. we heard you and other members of the community speak at the press conference. but we've heard very little from the police department. what has your communication been? >> i'm sorry. we're having some difficulty in hearing you. i understand you're saying something about the police department, but i cannot make out what you're saying now. >> your communication with the police department, what have you heard from them? >> communication? we haven't heard anything from the police department as of yet. there were some other representatives who have heard from the police department. oddly enough, both body cameras were inactive or could not record any video. so that was odd to me, that both of them would have come off. they said both came off during the struggle.

but if you observe the officer who actually did the shooting, it didn't appear he was in much of a struggle. >> representative jordan, this is reverend al sharpton. i was raising to the audience that you've raised a question of having someone investigate this outside of the local police, something that many of us have had to deal with in cases like this, including eric gardner which was very similar to this. is it not the importance of this to make sure this is a fair and impartial investigation so that the community understands that justice is the goal? i heard you very clearly say you're not clearly condemning all police. you've clearly said you want a fair process, but the community needs to know there will not be a conflict in terms of how handles the investigation and what evidence is deposited. >> let me say this to you, reverend al, that's exactly it. everybody knows a police department shouldn't investigate

itself. that's like policy and procedure 101. what i'll say is we've asked for the louisiana state police to get involved and to investigate this matter. we've also asked for the just disdepartment to get involved, congressman richmond has made that request as well. so we need somebody who is fair and impartial. the mayor has stated he will not be involved in the coverup, and i think the best way to ensure that is to let a neutral third party investigate this. >> hold on a second. the mayor has told you that he will not be involved in a coverup? >> the mayor made a statement last night to the local media saying that he will not be involved in a coverup. if he wants to honor those words, the best thing to do -- he has the power. he can request that the louisiana state police and the attorney general get involved and investigate this matter. look, just last week we had a situation -- totally different situation with a young mother

who had spanked her kids, and the d.a. decided not to prosecute and the attorney general's office said he was still looking at it. i think he decided not to prosecute as well. this is certainly a situation where the attorney general can get involved, where louisiana state police can get involved and the united states justice department. all of them can get involved and take a look at this. we need something other than baton rouge city police to take a look at this. >> thank you representative edmond jordan, representing the sterling family in baton rouge, louisiana. we're going to continue to cover the alton sterling case. when we return, thomas roberts has more. hi everybody. i'm thomas roberts at msnbc world headquarters in new york. we've just learned president obama is going to be making a statement in the white house about 25 minutes from now. we're told this statement is going to focus on the on going u.s. presence in afghanistan. president obama will be joined by the secretary of defense, ash

carter, and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general joseph dunford. we want to go back to the breaking news from baton rouge, louisiana. the deadly police shooting of a black father of five outside a convenience store. this confrontation was apparently captured on cell phone video by an eyeness, not verified by nbc news, but it was a short time ago where we witnessed the emotional news conference and heard from the family of 37-year-old alton sterling who the east baton rouge coroner said died of multiple gunshot wounds to the chest and back. >> the individual involved in his murder took away a man with children who depended upon their daddy on a daily basis. my son is not the youngest, he