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continuing msnbc coverage this hour. i'm steve kornacki. 125 days now until election day. topping the agenda, hillary clinton back on the attack. the setting? atlantic city, new jersey. the subject, donald trump. and what she's calling his shameful record in the world of casino gambling. >> what he did here in atlantic city is exactly what he will do if he wins in november. so we can't let him roll the dice with our children's futures. we need to write a new chapter in the american dream, and it sure cannot be chapter 11. >> but it wasn't just what clinton said this afternoon that's making news. it's what she isn't saying. still, no response from clinton to that scathing rebuke from the director of the fbi who yesterday contradicted claims that she's been making for the past year about that private e-mail server she used as
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secretary of state. how long can she keep up the silence? >> we have seen nothing but stonewalling and dishonesty from secretary clinton on this issue. n that means there are a lot more questions that need to be answered. >> also on the agend aveepstakes news this afternoon. we'll tell you which key republican just said thanks, but no thanks, to donald trump. and we'll preview one would-be vp's big audition tonight. >> being vice president means you have to go to meetings, deal with congressmen. i used to be a congressman. i know what it's like to deal with congressmen. i don't want to spend the next four or eight years of my life deal with congressmen. breaking news out of baton rouge, louisiana. the governor calling for calm after what he's calling disturbing video surfaces that shows a deadly police-involved shooting of a 37-year-old black man. the family of that man calling for the mayor's resignation and an independent investigation.
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>> something really need to be done. and something need to be done quick about this. and not just for my brother, but for everybody. >> the governor, the mayor and the city's police chief all announcing that they will be handing the investigation over to the u.s. justice department and to the fbi. a live update from baton rouge in just a few minutes. we begin with hillary clinton in atlantic city. today, she stood in front of what used to be the trump plaza hotel and casino on the boardwalk in atlantic city. and she highlighted trump's corporate bankruptcies and what she said was his failed business record in atlantic city saying it's an example of why he shouldn't be trusted to run the country. >> remember what he promised. i'm going to do for the country what i did for my business. well, we should believe him, and
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make sure he never has the chance to bankrupt america the way he bankrupted his businesses. >> and kasie hunt is following the clinton camp today in atlantic city. so, kasie, we've seen a couple of speeches like this from hillary clinton. she goes after one particular area of weakness, at least as she defines it. today his business record. >> that's right, steve. and there's honestly plenty to find here in atlantic city to speak to this. these casinos she stood in front of, she talked about how just down the boardwalk is the trump taj mahal, the only one of the three once trump-owned casinos that's still currently is in operation. and it went through a bankruptcy in 2009. its employees are now on strike. i made maybe the mistake of staying there last night to see how things had deteriorated. i would definitely say that if i was writing a trip adviser
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revie review, i'd have plenty of things to add to such a thing. hillary clinton is trying to undermine the one thing that donald trump has going for him with americans. and that's his strength on the economy. they rate him more highly on the economy than they do her. she knows she needs to work on that because the reality is the story of atlantic city is deeper than just donald trump. it's also a story more broadly about the american economy and helps explain why voters are so unhappy with the direction of the country. but, steve, a lot of this, what happened here, this was one in a series of these speeches hillary clinton has been making. but of them all, it frankly has had the least impact only because of that e-mail controversy that's still shadowing over her. of course, director comey now scheduled to testify on the hill tomorrow. the question politically is whether or not this issue with her e-mail is something that voters already know a lot about,
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already have come to terms with, or is it something that they're going to adjust to and potentially sway a lot of these swing voters. we talk to some swing voters in ohio to get a sense of that. take a look. >> after seven congressional investigations, i think they've gone a little overboard, but, no, i don't think she got special treatment. >> i think she's getting her way out of a lot of stuff. at some point it has to come back to her. >> so a little bit of a sense there from both sides. one person who thinks, she's getting -- if anything, treated unfairly because she's a clinton and the other one saying, the system might be rigged. of course, that's how donald trump has portrayed this, steve. >> it's been a story for about two decades with the clintons. whenever you have one of these controversies, you have two very passionate sides to it. kasie hunt in atlantic city, new jersey. as you just heard, hillary clinton today mum on the subject of her e-mails. and those scathing comments from
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the fbi director james comey yesterday. how long is clinton going to be able to duck the allegations of the impropriety that have been leveled against her? comey yesterday giving us some hard numbers on the contents of clinton's private e-mail server. >> from the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the state department in 2014, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. eight of those chains contained information that was top secret at the time they were sent. 36 of those chains contained secret information at the time. and 8 contained confidential information at the time. that's the lowest level of classification. >> a lot of numbers there from the fbi director. break them down for you. he is saying 30,000 e-mails
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turned over from clinton's server to the fbi that they looked at. they found 110. 52 different e-mail chains, 110 e-mails in total that contained at the time they were sent, that confeign ta contained confidential information. 36 contained secret and 8 chains that contained top secret information. remember, hillary clinton for the past year has been making the claim that at no time did she send any e-mails with confidential markings on them. what comey said is in direct contradiction to what clinton has been saying for the past year. >> i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. there is no classified material. so i certainly am well aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material. >> and that's not the only claim hillary clinton has made about her e-mails that's been
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contradicted by investigations previous to this. there was an investigation by the inspector general of the state department who said that hillary clinton's claim that her use of private e-mail had been approved by the obama administration. they found no such approval. so there are questions here for hillary clinton to answer. there are outstanding issues here. but so far, her campaign and the candidate herself, they have been quiet on what the fbi director said yesterday in his decision, despite all that he said there, his decision not to recommend charges against her. only this statement coming from the clinton campaign. we are pleased the career officials handling this case have determined that no further action by the department is warranted. it was a mistake to use her personal e-mail and she would not do it again. we are glad that this meratter now resolved. we'll see if it is resolved when it comes to the political world. i want to bring in political
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correspondent dan balz. the matter is now closed. there are some issues here, new issues raised by the fbi director she hasn't responded to specifically. >> no, and there's no evidence that she's about to respond to them. and that's in keeping with the way she's handled this from the beginning, steve. it's one of the reasons this issue has continued to dog her month after month after month. and probably will stay with us and her through the duration of this campaign, if not beyond that. she does have questions that she now has to answer. she will do it presumably on her own time and in a setting of her own choosing. but there's no question that the questions are going to come at her and that the republicans will continue to do what they're doing which is to prosecute a case that director comey said no real prosecutor in a court of law would try to prosecute. >> that's the other question here. we look at the political fallout. the reaction from republicans. obviously, they don't like this recommendation from comey. you have some republicans in
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congress right now saying their various committees might take a look. also paul ryan suggesting in light of what james comey said, shouldn't have access to security briefings during the campaign. let's listen to paul ryan here. >> look, i was on the ticket in 2012. after the convention, you get the full deep classified information as part of transition. as part of being a nominee. i think the dni clapper should deny hillary clinton access to classified information during this campaign given how she so recklessly handled classified information. >> that's not an insignificant recommendation the house speaker is making. obviously a lot of political ammunition for republicans here. is there a risk they go too far in their response to this? >> well, i think there is a risk in that, steve. in some ways, they continue to ask for things that they probably know aren't going to happen as opposed to focusing on
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what director comey provided them, which was a pretty devastating account of how she and her aides handled this information in their e-mails. there was a lot in there as you pointed out that contradicted what she has said in the past. and it seems to me that focussing on that is probably more useful politically than trying to go for things that aren't necessarily going to happen or likely to happen. >> we're in this interesting situation where donald trump's campaign when it comes to responding to news developments like this, it's not necessarily the most organized or disciplined campaign we've ever seen. a lot of republicans privately express something dismay that maybe he's not taking advantage of this to the degree that a different candidate would. is there maybe a reaction from congressional republicans, a bit of political overcompensation for what they think their presidential candidate is lacking? >> i think that may be part of it. but i think there's just genuine outrage on the part of a lot of republicans. a lot of republicans had in
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their own mind the idea there was going to be a prosecution. at least they were clinging to that hope that would really be, you know, something that would knock her out of this race. most legal analysts who had studied this matter ahead of time had concluded it was unlikely there would be a prosecution. so the republicans may have had a false hope about what the outcome of this was going to be and now in a sense they are overcompensating for that themselves as opposes to simply overcompensating for what they may think may be a lack of an organized or sufficient response on the part of donald trump. but there's no question that donald trump is going to continue to hammer on this every day that he's out there. >> all right, dan balz from "the washington post." thanks, as always, for the time. still to come -- president obama now planning to keep an additional 3,000 troops in afghanistan after he leaves office citing a taliban resurgence there. what that means for the u.s. exit strategy. plus, bernie sanders still a candidate for president.
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we're following breaking news out of louisiana. the justice department now saying that it will investigate the death of an african-american man who was shot and killed by police. a witness recorded it. a word of warning, the video we're about to show is graphic. it's a cell phone video. it appears to show the incident from last night in baton rouge. this is not yet verified by nbc news. we do not know what happened before or after what is shown in the recording. all we have is this recording. it appears to show officers tackling alton sterling before shots rang out. one officer appears to shout a warning, he's got a gun. that's a cell phone video. we've not yet verified by nbc news the details. nbc's tammy leitner is there. we're trying to piece this story
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together. we've got that video there, some anecdotes floating around. what do we know right now? >> reporter: steve, just in the last hour, a second video of the shooting has emerged. it was shot by the owner of this store. now i did watch the video. it is way too graphic to show you, but i can tell you what i saw. what i saw was two police officers throw alton sterling to the ground. and then you hear and see a number of gunshots. it sounded like six. after that, one of the officers reaches into alton sterling's pocket and pulls something out. according to the store owner, this was a gun. we watched it and couldn't tell what it is. i said you were here and saw the whole thing. was alton sterling behaving aggressively toward the police officers. let's listen to what he had to say. >> he was confused. he didn't know what was going on, what they were out there for. he was asking them, what's did i do wrong? and they didn't take the time to answer any of his questions or what was going on, why they were
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doing that. >> reporter: i'm guessing that you are hearing a lot of horns. there have been people out here all afternoon, hundreds of people coming and going. they are encouraging people to honk their horns. they have signs. they want to see this investigated. but these are peaceful protests out here. nothing has gotten out of hand. and there's supposed to be a vigil in the next couple of hours. steve, back to you. >> the people you're talking about, yes, we hear those horns honking behind you. with the justice department, with the feds basically coming in and saying they're going to take over, they're going to look at this and investigate, are the people down there, the people around you satisfied with that? >> you know, people are out here, and they're talking about alton sterling. everybody in this community knew this guy. he was 37 years old. he was a father of five. for the last six years, he stood out in front of this convenience store, and he sold music to
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support his family. so he was definitely part of this community. a lot of people know him. and they're out here showing their support for his family. >> tammy leitner in baton rouge, louisiana, thanks for that. earlier today, some of alton sterling's loved ones reacted to the shooting. light take a listen. >> as a mother, i have now been forced to raise a son who is going to remember what happened to his father that i can't take away from him. >> it's a horrible thing that happened to him. he didn't deserve that. he didn't deserve that. i xhpd the person that brought that video up. we would have been blinded. we never would have known what really happened. >> and we're joined now by gary chambers, the publisher of the rouge connection, a black-owned media outlet in louisiana.
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let me ask you that question about where the investigation is going right now. you have the local authorities, the state authorities basically ceding control of this to the justice department, the u.s. department of justice. are you confident in the investigation that's going to result from this? are you confident this is so far being handled the right way? >> i think that it is a good sign that we're moving in the right direction. i think what we asked for immediately yesterday morning, what we found out about everything was that this case be taken out of the hands of brpd. police departments should not investigate itself in a situation like this of this magnitude. when you see that video, what happened to alton sterling, it's troubling. and police officers who have relationships with one another should not investigate each other. we're satisfied the justice department has stepped in. it's the first step in the right direction and glad it hasn't taken weeks or months to get to that place. >> we are seeing this one video
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apparently now. just hearing there's a second video that's emerged. we're trying to piece this together like everybody else is. what do you know in terms of before this incident last night? did you know this family? did you know this gentleman? can you give us a sense of him, his role in the community, anything like that? >> i'm missing you a little bit, but i think you're asking me the atmosphere of the community? >> yeah, and also more specifically, this man himself. did you know him? did you know his family? have you spoken to them in the last day? his role in that community. >> i have talked with the family extensively in the last 24 hours. they're heartbroken. his son is heartbroken. his children are heartbroken. the community is heartbroken. i did not personally know alton sterling. my role in the community is pretty much to advocate for the concerns of the people of north baton rouge. north baton rouge is a community
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that's lost hospitals, emergency rooms, economic development and things of that nature. so what you're seeing is not just a response to the death of alton sterling but a response to a community that is at a tipping point, where they are fed up with what has not happened in our community and just two months ago on earth day we saw a police officer beat a young man in the back of the head. n he and he's back on the job with brpd. they're frustrated with what's happened. that's why so many are showing up. this is a good step in the right direction but we need an indictment for these officers. >> gary chambers in baton rouge, louisiana. thank you for that. meanwhile, more than 8,000 american troops are going to remain in afghanistan when the next president is sworn in in january 2017. president obama announcing today the u.s. will slow its withdrawal of troops from afghanistan calling the security situation there precarious. >> and i strongly believe that
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it is in our national security interest, especially after all the blood and treasure we've invested in afghanistan over the years that we give our afghan partners the very best opportunity to succeed. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel is in istanbul, turkey, with the latest on the announcement. >> the president described this as an adjustment. when it comes to the war in afghanistan, there have been many adjustments. sometimes it's called the forever war, and it appears to be living up to that reputation. this is already the longest war in u.s. history. 15 years in that country. troop levels were supposed to go down by the end of this year to 5,500. instead, that number has just been raised to 8,400, an increase of nearly 3,000 troops. and it reflects the poor security situation on the ground in afghanistan. afghanistan is facing three
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different terrorist groups, threats from al qaeda, which is much diminished but still there. the taliban, which has been resurgent and capable of carrying out high-profile attacks, and now isis is there as well. so the military recommendation was, which the president is using as the base at least for his decision, was that the situation is precarious. and now it will be up to the next president to try and wind down this conflict. but in discussions that i'm having with u.s. military officials, it seems like u.s. troops could be in afghanistan for a very long time. there's even talk about making afghanistan a long-term base for conducting counterterrorism operations across the region. steve? >> richard engel reporting from istanbul. thank you for that. news out of the sports world to tell you about this hour. olympic star oscar pistorius sentenced for the murder of his girlfriend after an appeals court overturned his initial conviction. this has been a legal battle full of twists and turns.
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coming up, how long is pistorius going to be behind bars? plus, with the republican convention less than two weeks away, the veepstakes is in full swing. we're going to break down trump's potential short list, including two people who now say they don't want to be considered. eve doesn't. because aleve can last 4 hours longer than tylenol 8 hour. what will you do with your aleve hours?
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here are the headlines at the half hour. the justice department says it's going to investigate the death of an african-american man who was killed by police overnight in louisiana. officers appear to tackle and then shoot 37-year-old alton sterling several times outside a convenience store in baton rouge. authorities say that he was armed. a medical examiner has ruled the death of a navy s.e.a.l. trainee a homicide. james lovelace died in may. according to the m.e.'s report, the instructor dunked him under water repeatedly. the investigator said it could
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have been an accident. the instructor has been removed. former olympian oscar pistorius has been sentenced to six years in prison. the south african sprinter and double amputee was convicted of killing his girlfriend more than three years ago. he could be eligible for parole after three years but prosecutors can also apeelg for a harsher sentence. the fbi director will tell congress tomorrow about the bureau's investigation into hillary clinton's private e-mail server. james comey is set to testify before the house overnight committee. that coming two days after he announced he will not recommend criminal charges be brought against hillary clinton. and clinton, meanwhile, going after donald trump today over his business record, accusing trump of walking away with millions from atlantic city through bankruptcy. clinton also warning that he would do to the country what she says he did to atlantic city. also breaking news to tell you about this afternoon. donald trump's campaign announcing a $26 million
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fund-raising haul for the month of june compared to the $40.5 million the clinton campaign says it brought in last month. now we should point out, according to a statement from trump's campaign, his fund-raising push really began in the final week of may, meaning trump would have had an extra week on clinton if we're comparing their totals there. meanwhile, trump's potential list of vp contenders, it is shrinking this afternoon. two potential running mates taking themselves out of the running. nbc news confirms this afternoon that senator joni ernst of iowa does not want to be vice president. this coming just days after she sat down for a meeting with trump. a meeting that stoked plenty of vp chatter. and also senatorob corker of tennessee campaigned with trump just last night but he has now crossed his name off the list this afternoon as well. nbc's kelly o'donnell is on capitol hill with the latest. bob corker was with donald trump
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last night. that got a lot of people talking. and now less than 24 hours later, he's shutting that talk down. >> well, senator corker told me and other reporters here he wanted to go through the process. he felt that that was important to do for the party, to explore this. but he felt all along he was probably not the right fit and probably not bringing the right skill-set. and he basically focused on the fact he thinks of himself as more of a policy person, a substance guy as he described it, and he knows in this very contentious political year, overt hardball politics is what informs the campaign trail day in, day out. that wasn't something he saw himself wanting to do. also said he didn't think of himself as the big speech guy in a folksy way. he's from tennessee. he was an early front-runner, at least publicly because he brings some experience as a businessman, a real estate developer himself before he came to the senate, and he chairs the senate foreign relations committee. could have offered some foreign
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policy knowledge to donald trump. but i'm told by him that he was able to contribute some ideas and speak more frankly with trump and trump campaign officials once he let them know yesterday at the beginning of his meetings that he didn't see himself in this role. here's part of the conversation. >> i began each of the meetings saying, look, i view myself as much better suited for other kinds of service, and i'm so honored to be considered in this way. so i began each of the meetings in that way. and some ways it was disarming, and it caused me to have a different kind of conversation with them. instead of it being, a, quote, interview, if you will it was more of an, all of a sudden, we were talking about things in a more personal level, and i think in a much deeper way. >> senator corker also told me
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that donald trump received his information, that he didn't want to be considered further in a very business like and professional way. they remain on very good terms and he praised the trump family and said that his contact with them was impressive to him, and he said the caricature, that's was his word, of donald trump that is seen publicly and in the media is very different than the person he felt he got to know. there's a new friendship there. he also gave us a date to look for. he thinks friday, july 15th could be a target for trump to resolve his decision on a running mate and it won't be bob corker. back to you, steve. kelly o'donnell, thanks for that. also on the veepstakes front, an audition tonight. donald trump set to campaign in cincinnati, ohio, with newt gingrich. let's take a look then at newt gingrich, the former house speaker, one of the candidates for the vp slot on trump's ticket. let's go through some of the pros and cons as trump looks to
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newt gingrich. similar style. similar philosophy. look at newt gingrich. he's defined himself as an anti-establishment figure. talks about political revolutions, about sweeping transformations, disrupting bureaucracies. when you look at the overall tone of newt gingrich's message, the style of politics he practices, there are a lot of similarities there to the way donald trump talks, the way donald trump approaches politics. also philosophicaphilosophicall gingrich has tried to align himself closer to donald trump in the last few days. for instance on the issue of trade, changing his position on trade, trying to go into alignment. that's one of the pros there if you are trump looking at him. another, washington experience. this is something trump said he's looking for, he'd value. newt gunniingrich was the speakf the now, congress for 20 years. first elected back in 1978. served through 1998. plenty of d.c. experience there as well. now the cons. why would donald trump maybe
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have second thoughts? well, there's no other way to put this one. marital history. he went with newt gingrich, you'd have two candidates on the republican tickets each with checkered pasts when it comes to their personal lives. newt gingrich was running. there were questions, allegations he sought an open marriage from one of his wives. the circumstances of one of his divorces with his wife suffering from cancer at the time. that has been an issue in his political career. donald trump already has a gender gap problem. would it make it worse to put newt gunning riingrich on there? the other, age. newt gingrich 72 years old. you'd have two candidates over 70 years old in terms of appealing to a younger generation of voters. would that be a liability? and also newt gingrich, he has the congressional experience. another one of the cons is the way it ended in 1998 after republicans suffered a pretty bad midterm election.
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an unexpectedly bad midterm election, one defined by the clinton impeachment drive. newt gingrich essentially forced out of his job as speaker, forced out of congress by his fellow republicans. not necessarily something that would recommend him for this job. but let's talk more about the veepstakes, about the big audition tonight. the best person i could think to bring in to talk about newt gingrich is somebody who served with him in those years. tom davis was a republican representing virginia in congress. he was elected in 1994. the republican revolution year. the year that made newt gingrich speaker. you came into congress just as newt gunniingrich became speake. when you hear he may be on the republican ticket as vice president, what's your reaction? >> i think he's certainly more articulate that trump. a little bit more disciplined. probably helps on the intellectual side with the conservative wing.
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but this race comes down to florida, ohio, pennsylvania. you know, where does it help in those areas? this is, after all, an electoral vote contest. newt is better than a lot of the names mentioned. as you noted, younger voters are key in this. hillary clinton has a problem with younger voters. sanders seems to claim, does this help or hurt? and that's part of the equation yet to be determined. >> the newt gingrich you served with in the 1990s and people who remember that era remember the government shutdown. he forced that confrontation with president clinton. he was part of the decision to pursue impeachment against president clinton. that newt gingrich, has he changed over the last 20 years? do you see somebody who has grown, who has changed in any way? >> i don't think there's any question he's probably mellowed and changed and moved from a disruptor to somebody who had to put work product through congress at times we passed, you know, welfare reform, balanced
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the budget. newt, i think, has all of those factors with him. he was able to produce work product. understands washington. and has remained as an outsider even through those times, yet he knows how to govern. >> if donald trump or paul manafort called you up and said, tom davis, who would your pick be? what would you tell them? >> i have to talk with who would accept it? i'd take a kasich or rubio or something like that to cement things. out of the blue, shelly moore caputo from west virginia. i think she cuts a very good figure. experience in washington. certainly from a state that trump will carry, but more importantly in that, a woman, well educated and articulate. somebody they ought to be considering. >> tom davis, former congressman from virginia. thanks for the time. coming up, the clinton campaign says they're not going to pressure bernie sanders to formally end his campaign. it's been weeks, though, since clinton became the presumptive
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democratic nominee. and still, sanders is hanging in there hoping to have some impact on the party at its convention this summer and beyond. the pressure on bernie sanders to drop out, the question of whether it matters. our most important number of the day is an interesting one. it's coming right up. i found her wandering miles from home. when the phone rang at 5am, i knew it was about mom. i see how hard it's been on her at work and i want to help.
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i want to take this opportunity this afternoon to applaud secretary clinton for the very bold initiative that she has brought forth for the financing of higher education. this proposal combines some of the strongest ideas which she fought for during the campaign with some of the principles that i fought for. the final product is the result of the work of both campaigns. >> bernie sanders today finding some common ground with hillary clinton, backing her plan for debt-free college, but still
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bernie sanders stopping short of endorsing his opponent for the democratic nomination. hillary clinton now the presumptive democratic nominee. sanders also met with some boos today when he entered a close-door meet with democrats in the house andefended his decision to stay in the presidential race and withhold his endorsement. so this question of bernie sanders holding out. when will he endorse? how will he endorse? what does it matter? it takes us to the most important number of the day. the big dramatic reveal. 30. 30 as in it's been 30 days now since hillary clinton hit that magic number, had the delegates she needed to become the presumptive democratic nominee. 30 days and bernie sanders still no closer it seems to endorsing her for president. here's the interesting thing. remember in those final days, the democratic contest, all of that panic among democrats. oh, my goodness, bernie sanders needs to drop out soon. you're not necessarily hearing that anymore. here's why. because this is what's happened
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in those 30 days since hillary clinton became the presumptive democratic nominee. ing elizabeth warren who is a hero to many of the same people that voted for bernie sanders in the primary. neutral all through the primary. hillary clinton hit the magic number and elizabeth warren hit the campaign trail with her. president obama, we saw it yesterday. he came off the sidelines. he's fully engaged now. he had this bill rally. democrats like that one a lot. and the vice president joe biden is set to hit the campaign trail later this week also with hillary clinton. so bernie sanders is holding out. but some very, very big-name democrats with very strong followings in the party and even outside the party in these cases coming on board. what has that meant for hillary clinton? she's expanded her lead over donald trump in the polls. when she became the presumptive nominee, we were seeing a razor-tight race between hillary clinton and donald trump. that's where that fear about what's bernie sanders going to do came from among democrats. trump, of course, he's had a
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very rough few weeks. hillary clinton in terms of getting support from those people. she's had a good few weeks. she's in a better place. it raises the question, how important is it really that bernie sanders endorse her if you are a democrat? it's taken him 30 days right now and counting. he hasn't come on board. they say, hey, hillary clinton was on board in four days back then. i can't believe it's taken him 30. this is a big problem if you're a democrat. back in 2000, heated primary between george w. bush and john mccain. took john mccain 56 days after bush became the presumptive nominee to endorse him. longer than it's taken bernie sanders. go back to 1992. here's a candidate right here, jerry brown, the governor of california, ran against bill clinton. won a bunch of primaries. heated primary campaign. went all the way to the convention refusing to endorse bill clinton. refused to endorse him at the convention or fall campaign.
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never endorsed bill clinton and for all the fear about what that was going to do, bill clinton had no problem getting elected. that's maybe an omen hillary clinton wants to keep in mind as you have that issue of what bernie sanders is going to do. so far, 30 days and counting, bernie sanders hasn't endorsed. coming up, colorado is one of the key states that could decide this election. and my colleague jacob soboroff is out there getting a feel for the political divide that you can actually see straight down one county line. we'll take you there next. on mag great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started. we're legalzoom and we've already partnered with over a million new business owners to do just that. check us out today to see how you can become one of them. legalzoom.
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we always talk about battleground states in presidential elections. how about battleground counties within battleground states? a perfect example is in colorado. both candidates already spending time and money to win over voters there. and also hitting up the state last week. clinton and trump both there in colorado. here's a perfect example of what we're talking about. two counties side by side. weld and boulder, but they couldn't be more different politically. and jacob soboroff hit both counties and talked to people in both of them in his new series "up for grabs." he joins us from i-25 in colorado. he's traveling the state all week. you're straddling the line between those two counties. the state is up for grabs. there's a red county, blue county. probably two different worlds in
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both of them. >> that's what's so interesting when you look at why colorado is up for grabs. i'm having deja vu. one of the last times i was on this road we were heading to the multidistrict convention in april when we saw ted cruz clean up here. that didn't work out so well for him. why this state is up for grabs, these voters are evenly divided. 1 million unaffiliated. 1 million registered democratic and 1 million registered republican. you can see that no clearer than on i-25 which straddles boulder county and weld county. i went there to see what the pulse of the voters is there. to understand the political divide here in colorado, look no further than here, east county line road in erie. this side of the road is boulder county, one of the most liberal. and this side is weld, a reliable conservative stronghold. >> we're on the far southwestern portion of weld county. >> the weld county side of the weld county line road?
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>> yeah. >> what is life like out here? what do you do? >> we're dairy farmers by trade. our family has been farming and dairy farming over 50 years. people don't understand those dynamics of where the food sitting on their plate how it gets there. such a difference in terms with politics and economics of how that transition was. >> this is a traditionally red county, though. >> yes, it is. very red. >> you think it's going to go trump? >> i think there's a good likelihood it will. >> have you started to think about which way you're going to go? >> i'm going to wait until november. i haven't heard a whole lot about ag policy from either side. i'm waiting. >> if you had to pick today, you know, standing out here living your life, would you be able to make a decision one way or the other? >> not right now. >> what is life like in boulder? what issues do people care about? >> ecology. >> what else? >> we -- recycling. >> bicycling. very important.
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>> what are the issues important to you guys? >> all the issues that bernie has talked about. bernie speaks for me. so when you -- >> when you talk about bernie issues, what are you going to do in the general election between hillary clinton and donald trump? >> i don't think i have to decide that. cross that bridge when i come to it. >> have you thought about what you'll do? >> i'm going to cross that bridge when i come to it. >> i like the meteor option. >> the meteor? >> like a meteor is going to hit earth. and that would be better than trump or hillary. >> steve, i missed the news cycle where the meteor was polling well against donald trump and hillary clinton. i learned about it in boulder. what these people point to when they'd vote for a meteor instead of trump or clinton. there's a lot of unaffiliated voters. candidates have been here in the last week. hillary clinton and donald trump were here and both spending money and their allies are spending money in this state already to win over voters.
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our next stop is in colorado springs, home to a huge amount of evangelicals. we'll have that tomorrow. >> jacob soboroff. a little audio interference there. i'm hoping that's not the sign of a meteor making its way. what a strange thing to say. jacob soboroff in colorado. we're going to squeeze a quick break in. we'll be right back. it's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. at just 12 years old, greg began building ponds with his dad. by the time he was 25, he had a booming business call aquascape. a family drama, the recession and a building collapse almost ended it all. see how he turned everything back around on "your business" sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? our new cocktail bitters were doing well, but after one tradeshow, we took off. all i could think about was our deadlines racing towards us.
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and that's the way i want it. >> donald trump in atlantic city. two things synonymous with each other. hillary clinton trying to make donald trump and his atlantic city past a liability, going on the attack in atlantic city today. we thought we'd take you quickly through the story of donald trump and his rise and fall in atlantic city. it all started 40 years ago. legalized gambling in atlantic city. first east coast city where that happened. donald trump moved in pretty quickly. by the mid-1980s, he opened up his first casino. we can show that's. 1984, trump plaza opened. a year later, he opened up a second one, trump's castle, and then that's when he made his big gamble, big bet in atlantic city. the trump taj mahal. this was an enormous structure. he took on an enormous amount of debt, his company did. within a year, the first bankruptcy filing from trump taj mahal. then the second, the third in 1992. trump did stay around in atlantic city for a while. his role was reduced in 2004.
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he was basically out in 2009, and all that story there coincides with the rise and fall of atlantic city in modern times. a boomtown in the '80s, the '90ss. competition from other states and other places to gamble now. atlantic city not what it used to be. not as easy to make a fortune there as it once was. that's going to do it for this hour. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's wednesday, the last big variable for hillary clinton is done. just how damaged is she? and could it get worse? this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd in new york. welcome to "mtp daily." a lot to get to this hour. president obama has to pull back on a major campaign promise when it comes to our military presence in afghanistan. we've got a major shak i