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>> 12 officers shot in an ambush. five killed. demonstrators fleeing. >> go. go. go. run, run, run. >> three suspected gunmen in custody and one is dead. >> i was walking and the sniper just started shooting. all of thes were getting shot. >> and police describing a possible motive. >> he wanted to kill white people especially white aufr officers. >> one of the shooters, police searching for other accomplices. >> the entire city of dallas is grieving. police across america feels this
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loss to their core. it has been a rapidly change series of events. five officer dead, four with the police department and the fifth with the dallas area rapid transit system. police said the attack appears to be coordinated using multiple snipers shooting down at the crowd. three suspects are in custody. the mayor says they are not cooperating with law enforcement. a fourth suspect died after stand off with police. the chief said that he died when police sent in a bomb robot and detonated it near the suspect. he also said it was in direct response to police involved shootings. >> he was upset about black lives matter. he said he was upset about the recent police shootings. the suspect said he was upset at
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white people. the suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. >> we have comprehensive coverage for you. let's start with jacob who has been in dallas throughout the night. what can you tell us? >> reporter: so it started of course last night at 7:00. at organization, black lives matter and others organizing this protest. from 7:00 to 9:00 it was to take place. a block away it ended at 9:00. the organizers told everybody it is time to go home. seconds after that the witnesses tell us they thaeheard the shot. ip went on for 60 seconds or longer. we had 12 not and five killed
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and seven in the hospital. we have two civilians who are injured. one of them is a woman. we have now heard from her sister who tells the story that she was leaving and heard the sholts and covered her chirchful those who were jir r injured, the transit authority saufr is who is at the transit and nigh club. you can see the pain on the
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faces who have now had to deal. you heard there what you haefrd in the introdeks the three that survived are not copperlating with police. a bomb, he says he did it because he said he hated white people. he was concerned about recent shootings. he wanted the kill white people especially white aufrofficers. >> obviously this is something that came out of the hostage negotiator trying to get him to say anything. >> he said he did this alone? >> reporter: right. and police don't want to give too much information because the investigation is ongoing. earlier today the police chief
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said that the three suspects were not cooperating but he believed they and fourth were working together, they there, in fact, were four gunmen. there were 14 people shot in a very smaum amount of time. the police chief were leading us to -- he claimed he was working along with no other organizations. they said they didn't want to talk more about the relationship between the other suspects and whether they believe there are more suspects out there. the latest is that the chief weren't are they weren't comfortable cht they thought until they were con fi debit
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demt dent that has any of them. >> david cats, the founder of global security group, it's good to see both of you. and because of your experience as a hostage negotiator, give me your take on the extent of what police were willing to tell us about what that hostage negotiator got that. >> i don't hate that he wanted to do. that's part of his motive. he is there prior to doing premeditated. i would be more skeptical about him acting alone. we are not quite sure about that. you know, you discussed the report of trianglated shooting.
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we don't know if any other firearms have been recovered from the other three people that spliegt decharg -- were they transporting him? we don't have the answer 20 that. the decision to put a bomb in a robot, you know, like bullets coming out in an indoor garage. some times it is only a ramp or he could have blocked a stairway. so if he was laying low it might have been hard to get to him with the long rifle so they had.
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>> i wasn't once you wf -- you, that's what a profession nam team will do. you talk morris ks if hostages are about to be killed. you'll win that if you use your tactics right. it the last time i remember explosives moouves was at the headquarters in 1985. i was at the explosives division. i remember we refused to give explosives to police. we got them and they turned out
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to be a mess. it is such an unusual tactic. it was one guy in a place they could control that they didn't allow their officers to be subject to gunfire. it turns out to be the right decision at a critical moment. >> and we have seen a gunman essentially talking and shooting at an officer. what do you see when you watch this video? >> he is in a position where he can take cover. the officer is unaware. he is sneaking up on him. he is attacking him in a most cowardly manner possible. >> does it suggest to you someone who is experienced? >> some say it is highly trained, highly experienced people. you could take somebody and get them to do the same thing. it's mot that hard to teach somebody to fire a rifle.
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they could have a little bit of a personal movement. he is crouching low and moving to what appears to be a technique, a movement where you can move forward and shoot rapidly and accurately. there's no way to look at that and say he's a well trained guy. >> so much more to learn about that. thank you, gentlemen. i want to bring in gary thomas, the police of chief and emergency management. if i can start with you and our our thinks, but how is everybody doing right now. >> well, it was a tough day, a
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tough night. as much as you audiocassette about it you really can't imagine what it was like. this is un. >> chief spiller, tell us about officer dart. >> officer thompson was a great officer. he has been with us since i believe about 2006. he was on duty downtown watching the protesters as well as taking care of police duties at one of our transit centers where our buses come into. he was married about two weeks ago. it is very unfortunate events that occurred.
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we are taking care of other officers that were injured and our prayers and thoughts are with the dallas police department also for the loss of their officers and. >> and you said he was recently married. tell us how do you move forward? how do you help officers deal with this and continue to do what dhay, which is to make the system safe. >> the officers have a gate deal of pride and they know they have a job to coabdomen expected to go back out and do it today, tomorrow and the nks week and next month it is to make sure those folks get to where they need to go safely and
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effectively. so they take a great deal of pride. they are very professional people. you know, we'll have the could be sell locounselors available. we'll support them but they are a strong, good group of people. >> and as we look -- i don't know if you can see it but there are some of the people who where are shot at the hospital and a line up of police officers saluting them. we spoke every night about how heartbroken everyone is. what is your message to the peec people of dallas this morning? >> we thank everyone for their outpouring of support for our officers as well as that of dallas police. you know, this is unusual for the city of dallas in the north
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texas region, something totally unexpected. you know, it is like a death punch. we will recover. we will make sure we are communicating with the officers out there even performing their d day-to-day shootings. it is one of those things that we are going to overcome. they still hold their heads high. we received outpouring of support across the united states, canada, england from police as well as civilian personnel. i thank the supporters there. it is important that we support the family ts of those injufami injured and police in general. >> how are you doing this
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morning? have you even been able to process what happened overnight in your city? yeah. >> yeah, we were doing an interview and he said there is a helicopter above. there are a lot of other things i did notice. my heart is with thompson's family as well as the rest of our officers and with that of dallas but, you know, we are going to get over this. i'm sure at one point as i slow down it will hit me more and my perspective may be different at that time but i grief just like everyone else.
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we lost a valuable member of oufr team and the law enforcement profession. we'll get there. with the help of my agency and the citizens i think we'll be just p. >> the nation grooufs with you. thank you so much. our decent sympathies. we have dave who has been on the scene overnight and talking to some of the people who witnessed what has unfolded. what can you tell us? >> reporter: yes. i am here with one of the organizers of last night's rally. you have been organizing these rallies, you say this is among the largest you have put together. >> absolutely. we started 40 hours ago.
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before we knew it we had hundreds and more hundreds and pushing a thousand. it is amazing how quickly it grew. >> and it was a peaceful rally. >> it was to network with each other. it was peaceful, nonviolent. we were working with police. police were commenting how nonviolent the protest was. we go back down to the old courthouse and we turn around and we were in the last stretch. i mean the protest was there. i'm standing there with a sergeant from the police department. we had just been talking about how peaceful this protest was and then all of a sudden, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. i look up and i saw what i believe were two police officers drop. >> reporter: right in front of
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you? >> it was close enough where my reaction was to grab my stomach and my chest to make sure i hadn't been shot. the sergeant runs to the shooting. i run backwards. i had a cross in my cross that was about 10 feet tall. i was screaming active shooter, active shooter, run. acti active shooter. i back up. my wife was in that crowd. i lost contact with her for three and a half hours. >> reporter: you last cob for three nar hours e -- everyone wants to know how something to beautiful can turn so evil so
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quickly. by the end of the night i found myself just sitting there crying with my head in my hands and just enjoying a better porld. >> you can compete. it's devastating for families to be suffering. it's devastating. >> and the police chief said the gunman told them he was targeting police officers and not just police officers but white police officers. when you hear that at your rally he also said he was upset with the black lives matter. when you that what's your
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reaction? >> it is unexunexable. it brings about nothing except death and we have no kwater with those that bring about death and destruction. >> reporter: how did you reunite with your wife and what was going through your head? >> i did an interview here and my biwife saw me on television. she called the television studio and that's how she fgot in touc with me. >> how do your organization move on? what's next? >> i think we just have to --
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gubs rant solving no problems. guns ain't solving anything. that thank very much. chris, i will send it back to you. certainly we are hearing stories. >> thank you so much. we have other breaking news that has just been handed to me. at the u.s. capitol there is police activity. there is an unconfirmed report that there is a woman with a gun but the capitol area, we are told, is on lockdown and the
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capit capital visitor vecenter. they are told to move to your office. if you're not near your office take shelter to the office nearest to you. silence your mobile phones. the buildings are locked down according to the house, radio and tv gallery. it says no one will be permitted right now to enter or exit. right now we have another situation at the u.s. capitol that you are expected to do. we'll have much more including talking to two eyewitnesss who were there when the shooting broke out. that's next. we were coming from the rally. we were believing. clean food.
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we are continuing to follow breaking news at the u.s. capitol which is in lockdown. that includes the visitor center that would have opened already during the busy tourist center. there is an unconfirmed report of a woman with a gun. we'll bring you that information as we get it. police describing a possible motive for one of the gunmen involved in last night's shooting. before being killed in the stand off that suspect told a negotiator he was upset over police involved shootings and wanted to kill officers, specifically white aufrofficers. the mayor says they have not been cooperating with police. four police officers and one transit officer are dead after that ambush carried out by multiple snipers.
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several other officers were wounded. no shots were fired at the end of a demonstration. thank you so much for joining us. let me start with the obvious question, how are you doing? >> i'm doing well. i'm a little bit tired. we are going on 20, 24 hours but we are holding off. i'm alive. that's definitely a blessing. >> tell us where you were when you realized something was very wrong. >> i had a camera in my hand. i was headed east on commerce. i realized something was wrong and i saw people running me. >> what did you hear and at one point did you realize it was something potentially deadly? >> i heard a loud sound. i didn't realize it was a
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gunshot. when i saw everybody rushing towards me we all huddled together. it wasn't until after that someone said they are shooting and i realized something is taking place. >> were the two of you together? >> we actually were not together. he was up on the steps -- well, closer to where the speakers were and i was on the grassy area in the crowd. i had actually started to leave and walk towards our car when i heard the first loud pop. it didn't even sound like a gunshot. i heard the police cars and at that point i thought to myself, this is extremely real. i need to find some place and get out of harm's way really quickly. >> and we see in this video some people running for their lives
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and others looking for a place to hide. >> well, it was a little bit of both. i got through the middle of the crowd because i didn't want to be part of the stampede. i was waiting to see what direction things were coming from. i immediately called him and we coordina coordina coordina coordinated. we were planning to meet by our car which happened to be in the lot by the parking garage where the shooting was happening. we ended up in the greyhound station in a locked room until everything died down and pretty much for the rest of the night. >> describe what it was like in the locked room. gl it was hot. it was a very tight space. one of the employees came from the back door and startled
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everyone. we didn't realize someone could come in. when he came in a moment of frightened happened. outside of that it was hot. didn't go out because of potential danger taking place! and did you realize what was going on or the situation was so chaotic that even with smart phones and technology people may have had it was impossible to really know what was going on? >> go ahead. >> well, where we were our friends were hitting us up on social media, are you okay? are you okay? we had other friends that were down here. our families and friends kind of kept us up to date with what was going on. you know, i was watching a little bit -- we were watching a little bit streaming on our
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phones but we wanted to conserve our batteries. >> we are glad you're both okay. i'm sure at some point you'll be able to regroup. we are glad you're okay. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. let's bring in chris van horn from kxas in dallas. a lot has happened. bring us up to date. >> reporter: they have the one suspect they killed with that explosion on the second floor. they won't say how many other suspects they might have in custody or if they will be pursuing anyone else. they will pursue just about everyone. this is about a 20 block area closed off and this is a massive
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crime scene. this is on the northeast side of the campus. this is on the ground out here. the big news is five were killed and all of the others that were injured, most of them have been released, none of them are critical. that is good news. the mayor and chief of police, the city here is heartbroken. you can certainly see the somberness knowing most of these officers were wounded. >> there are no words to describe the atrocity that happened. do you can certainly understand that. let me play what the chief said when he was describing a
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possible motive. let's listen. >> he was upset about black lives matter. he said he was upset about the recent police shootings. the suspect said he was upset at white people. he stated he wanted to kill white people especially white officers. >> this is so different than what we saw. we just heard from the organizer a short time ago saying they were so pleased with the way everything had gone and in your city it's a pretty good relationship between the police and the community. >> it is. unfortunately the murder rate has been high. one of the way they have been trying to improve the safety is
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getting them and we knew officers were taking pictures of the protest and rally last night. they definitely worked with police on this because police officers were shutting down the streets making sure these protesters were safe while expressing their first amendment rights. it is a good relationship dallas police tries to have. >> thank you so much. that was chris vanhorn. as we look at what our community, is there a difficult when we saw, which i thought looked so heartening was when police officers were taking pictures. people were protesting police brutality. they wanted them to feel as though they were part of this
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how do you find that line? these are horrible people who committed a horrible achlt. you have to do this to bring the police and community closer to together. >> i think it depends on those. they are working to make sure it is defending the public, whi. if you look in contrast what we had last night here in new york city, unrestrained, unplanned, an absolutely chaotic mess. tieing up trask, big contrast. the pro pestest protest will be
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done peacefully. >> and they have two men and a woman in custody who are not cooperating. it is clear they heard quite a bit from the one suspect who was killed when they sent in that robot but how do you approach a situation like this? how will the interrogators, negotiators, whatever term would be proper, the police officers who go in and are speaking suspect. >> they are grabbing information from the desiesed person. we'll see it from his home or apartment. if the three people in custody
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have asked for council we'll have their identities. are you able to demonstrate any probable cause. their briefcase, purse, wallets. the tectives will do all of that. the police chief says it may mean they asked for council and they are shutting up but they will find out a lot about this deceased shooter and what we still don't know is how many people were pulling the trigger there. are these people trigger pullers or conspirators but not shooters? we don't have all of these facts yet. >> thanks for being us with. the story was told online with a
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scrambling. >> they just starting to bend over. >> you can see what a terrifying and chaotic experience that was. in all 12 officers were shot, eight with the city police department and four with dallas area rapid transit police department. five of them died. at least three in custody and a fourth suspect died after officers detonated an explosive close to him. the police chief said he told police he wanted to kill officers. >> he expressed killing white officers. he expressed anger for black lives matter. none of that makes sense. none of that is a legitimate
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reason. >> we have been following this sto store as it continues to develop online. it was that video that we saw of castille who was shot by a police officer as he sat in his car. peaceful protests last night and now we are seeing so much others live streaming in the aim way. yeah, we have seen the wide streaming capabilities. all you had to do is go online. you could watch this unfold as it happened. one video in particular that we have been showing, showing the viewer. i want to be clear that we have cleaned this video up. when it was live available
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online you could see police laying in the streets. you can see carnage. at one point when a gunman was hold up they asked them for any live units of where their are. the fear is that the gunman could have had a cell phone that could have carried all of this video. the technology has passed us by and law enforcement around the country will have to deal with this issue now. it is especially sad. it they were protesting in coordination with some of the black lives matter officials there. they were live tweeting out as people made their way through the city when shots rang out. this is something that everybody is having to reassess.
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anyone involved in these senseless murders will be held fully accountable. justice will be done. >> that was president obama speaking in poland this morning. meantime the two presidential candidates will not be campaigning today because of the shootings in dallas. clinton postponed her appearance tweeting i mourn for the officers shot doing their sacred duty to protect all who serve with them. earlier this morning trump tweeted prayers and condolences to all of the families devastated by the horrors we are watching take place in our
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country. what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, last night was a very difficult time for us all as we watched what was seemingly the dallas police department and dart, which is our local transportation police, working with the people of dallas to say we can look at this national circumstance. we can walk together. we can understand. we want to avoid dallas, texas, not getting what is a nalgs wtie problem. the officers ran to the problem instead of runs from it. we gr thanks for the their duty and service. our dallas community has a way.
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we are very loving, open people. we have to heal ourselves but so does the country. >> reporter: appears, from the words of one of the shooters at white police officers. and you said in an interview with the local tv station, they tweeted you said, these criminals targeted our officers and we cannot and will not tolerate this. what can be done? >> well, what can be done is the communities need to and can heal themselves. without outsiders, without agitator agitators, the dallas community can come together, our awesome police chief, david brown, is seen as a positive force. our mayor, mike rawlings, can walk into any area of town, and ask that people come together. our leaders in churches, in synagogues, can come together as we have.
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we found a way to heal ourselves from the past. dallas has been a part of probably some defensive times. of i believe we're going to do this, because we recommit ourselves just as the police department did, who sacrificed above all to work and walk with people throughout this process. but it's going to take a lot of understanding on both sides. we simply don't want what happened in dallas to spill over anywhere else in the country. and so the processes of loving people and with people with resolve is what this is about. we will handle this without blaming someone or pointing the finger. the pointing of the finger is at criminals. and criminals are in all of our midst. and we've got to correct that. >> in the meantime, we had expected to speak with you just a little bit earlier, but the u.s. capitol went into lockdown, and can you tell us anything about that? what are you hearing? have you heard anything from cop
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tal police? >> yes, as a matter of fact, there was a person of interest who was reported to have a weapon of some sort. a woman that was entering the building. and so taking the appropriate precautions, the capitol was shut down, put on lockdown. and evidently they have now lifted that. and so i was able to come here and i'm delighted to be with you. >> but to your knowledge, there wasn't any real and present danger to the people who were inside the capitol? >> it's hard to know. i think they acted off precaution, and the caution of information. and for that i give thanks. >> let me just ask you, finally, congressman, because there are a lot of americans on edge. obviously, your city, the city of dallas, is on edge, and understandably so. but all across america, what has happened with the police shootings and the loss of black lives have caused the protests that we saw last night. peaceful protests until what broke out at 9:00 dallas time. but what do you see then as the focus of the larger
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conversation? you say dallas is going to heal itself, and i have no doubt that if we saw here in new york, after 9/11, cities do come together, people come together. but there is a reality here that there are more shootings like this since ferguson that we continue to see violence, that we continue to see hatred spilling out on to the streets. do you think it can just heal itself? >> you have alluded to many of the credentialing that we have seen of where police officers and citizens were engaged in conflict with each other. this was the reverse. this was directly aimed and targeted at police officers. so i think that we're going to have to understand that whether it is a suspect that is being taken into custody, whether it is the police in doing their job, or whether it is a citizen
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involved in some altercation. we've got to look at the facts and let those communities heal themselves. and they want to. and they have. but what happens is, is that the social media, the outbreaks, other people act out around the country. and in doing so, i would just remind us, our police have to be cognizant that their presence and their actions do have consequences, but likewise, people need our police officers to fully do their job and not back away. and so there has to be a recognition on both sides that we are all -- we all live in glass houses right now. even here in the united states capital. every one of us are vulnerable. and we need to look at each other and act responsibly with each other, and literally to be responsible in the way that we have responded. now, how do you heal yourself? you heal yourself because the
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leaders of this country need to talk about healing, not dividing. and when you point a finger, you divide. so we need to heal, and that's what we intend to do in dallas, texas. our mayor does. our police chief does. and i think you will see our city leaders, including our religious leaders talk at church on sunday morning about how we've got to come together for the sake of not just this country, but our children and the kind of life we're going to live. >> congressman pete sessions of texas, thank you for taking the time, sir. two police-involved shootings brought people to the streets of dallas. we'll have more on that, next. in a world held back by compromise, businesses need the agility to do one thing & another. only at&t has the network, people, and partners to help companies be... local & global. open & secure.
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>> as are we. that's the daughter of one of the officers wounded in last night's attack. we can't forget that the ambush in dallas happened during a demonstration to protest police-involved shootings. it wasn't just dallas. protests across the country, including here in new york, in washington. of course, there was the shooting in minnesota, where ph philando castillo died. it has been a very difficult week here across the country. and kre difficult today as dallas deals with what has happened on its streets overnight. that's going to wrap-up this hour. i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts picks up our continuing coverage as we do throughout the day cover this tragedy in dallas. thomas? chris, thank you. it is the deadliest day for u.s. police forces since the 9/11 terror attacks. hi, i'm thomas roberts live at msnbc world headquarters in new
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york. we have new details in our continuous breaking news coverage about the ambush sniper-style attacks that happened in dallas. now, this is all going -- all taking place really quickly as we just got a press briefing from the mayor and police of chief just a short time ago. look at the scene from last night. the chaos as panicked protesters were fleeing the scene. i want to bring you up to date on what we know this hour. we did hear from the dallas police and mayor a short time ago, shedding new light on the possibility of a motive for one of the gunman killed after a long standoff with police. >> he wanted to kill officers. and he expressed killing white people. he expressed killing white officers. he expressed anger for black lives matter. >> now police also revealed that after an hours-long standoff and negotiation with one of the suspects, theyai