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good morning, alex witt msnbc headquarters. 8:00 a.m., 5:00 a.m. out west. here is what's happening. protesters took to the streets in half a dozen cities overnight. they were speaking out against shootings. marshes happened in baton rouge, louisiana, atlanta, georgia, philadelphia, pennsylvania, st. francisica. a black man shot and killed. 0 people arrested for disorderly conduct. elsewhere in the country phoenix, arizona, police turned tear gas and pepper spray on that crowd gathering last night. in dallas more details emerging about the man who killed five police officers and wounded seven more in thursday night's shooting. mike xavier johnson former army reservist, 25-year-old served a tour of duty in afghanistan.

he was also a trained carpenter. before the attack he was working as an aide for children with special needs. he was killed when dallas police sent a robot explosion. president obama cutting his trip short at a nato summit. >> police across america feel this tragedy to their core and we're grieving with them. i'd ask all americans to say a prayer for these officers and their families and keep them in their thoughts. as a nation, let's remember to express our profound gratitude to men and women in blue, not just today but every day. >> let's go now to reporters out in the field covering the story for us. start with you, craig, right there in dallas. what is it like on the ground there? how does it feel and how are people reacting today?

>> reporter: i've talked to a number of folks here at the site where we are, over at the hotel where we're staying two blocks away. this is all, naturally, anyone wants to talk about. there's a similar sentiment, same sentiment i've heard in other place that is have dealt with tragedies like this, whether it's orlando, charleston, we are going to get through this. this is something that ultimately will make our community stronger. president obama, we heard that sound bite from him. word he's cutting that european trip short to come to dallas at some point next week, find out precisely when that's going to be. also told later today, early tomorrow we should start to get some information on the funeral services for some of the victims. more on the victims in just a moment. when the president ordered the flags to half-staff yesterday at the white house, alex, it was the 67th time that he has done that since taking office.

that's the most of any president in the history of this country. i want to show you a little more behind me here. we're starting to learn a little more about how the situation unfolded late thursday into early friday morning. that's a look throughout trees there at the parking garage. that's the parking garage the 25-year-old gunman was cornered on the second floor of that parking garage. that's near el centro college. police apparently started negotiating with him around 11:45. it was before midnight. as you indicated. several hours later feeling they had no other alternative, fearing if they were to go in that they would lose even more officers, they decided, to our knowledge, for the first time ever, on domestic soil to send in a robot that had a payload attached to it detonating a bomb on the second floor inside that

parking garage to kill the suspect. that's the very latest on the investigation here. twenty blocks still roped off here in downtown dallas. no word on when that is no longer going to be the case. of course you've got a number of folks that haven't been able to get their vehicles out but you still have what is being described to me as a very active cream scene. >> you know, it's interesting, craig, i have a friend right now texting me traveling through love field, does not live in dallas, and is so, you know, concerned about the situation, offering ideas of what can be done and talking about this great city of dallas and how they have handled it. it is remarkable -- this is evidence of how this is on everybody's minds across this country today. >> yeah. it's one of those things where you spend time talking to folks who come up and say, i saw you reporting. have you guys seen anything like

this before? the reality is, you have to tell folks, yeah, in fact, just a few weeks ago, there was orlando just a few weeks before that. folks here in dallas, and it sounds like you know this, have been do too dallas a number of times. they are a resilient bunch. first of all, if you live here, you have to be resilient to endure the heat. it's 100 degrees yesterday, expected to be just as hot today. but the people of dallas, the people who live here, they will get through this. >> i have to say, i do have cousins that live there and they are good stock. good to see you. let's go to joe friar, university medical center in dallas. let's talk about those in the hospitals. any updates on their condition? >> good morning, alex. in addition to the five police officers who died, we know nine other people were shot and injured, all survivors. seven of them were police officers. a hospital is not releasing more

information on their conditions. according to officials, it appears most of those injured have been treated and released from the hospital. we are learning more about the five officers who died now. we know all their names. present thompson, an officer with d.a.r.t., dallas area rapid transit. he had just gotten married two weeks ago to another officer. four others with the police department, michael krol, grew up in the detroit area, corrections office for the jail there, moved to dallas, wanted to be a police officer so he could happen other people. the oldest victim sergeant michael smith, 55 years old. according to reports, he enjoyed doing this because he liked helping the younger officers. another victim senior corporal lorne ahrens, loving father, devoted husband. his wife is a detective on the police force. before working in dallas many years ago he was ensouthern

california at the los angeles county sheriff's department. they put out a statement yesterday sending their condolences. the final fifth officer, patrick zamarripa, u.s. navy veteran, served three tours in iraq. we heard from his mother. take a listen to what she had to say. >> he loved life. he loved his family. he loved his job. he was just -- he was a happy man. he was where he wanted to be. >> i'm very proud of him. i'll always be proud of him, the work he did, the job he had, the son that he was. >> in addition to the five police officers who died again, nine people were injured, seven officers, two civilians. we don't know all of their names yet but we do know the names of some injured. misty mcbride an officer, jesus retana, all of them we're told

will be okay. >> thank you for that news, thank you so much. the attack marks the deadliest against police since 9/11. the gunman they say acted alone. gabe gutierrez in dallas for us. what more do we know about him, gabe? >> alex, good morning, mike xavier johnson, 25 years old. he lived about 20 minutes from here in a two-story home with his mother where he had lived for many years. he was also an army reservist for six years. he had been the recipient of several awards and ribbons and medals. but neighbors said they had seen him in a military uniform in his backyard doing what and to them to be training exercises. they also said he spoke about his guns. he had several guns in the home. yesterday authorities were at the home and took out a ballistic vest and journal where he described some military exercises as well.

now, investigators did say late yesterday that he was a lone gunman. now, earlier yt din the day you recall reports there were two snipers picking off police officers. now authorities say it was johnson. he was a shooter who knew how to move and went to several locations before he ended up being cornered in that parking garage behind me. so the investigation is ongoing. the fbi on the scene, atf, several streets in downtown dallas remain closed and will be for several days. authorities also say that they do not believe johnson had any ties, any domestic extremist group according to multiple law enforcement officials but they say they may not fully know exactly why he did this. in his conversation with police during that negotiation, he said he did it because he was upset about recent police shootings and he wanted to kill white

police officers. alex. >> hard to put logic to a situation like this. i know investigators will try. thank you very much. we appreciate that, gabe. let's turn to baton rouge, louisiana, one of the many cities where hundreds marched in protest overnight. sarah outside the convenience store where alton sterling was fatally shot by police early on tuesday. sarah, good morning. first off, set the scene for us. any folks out there this morning? i know there are those coming by and paying tribute throughout hess last few days. >> reporter: it's very quiet at the moment here, alex. we expect this parking lot behind me to fill up, people stop by and take photos and pay their respects, picking up from gatherings held here since tuesday. more demonstrations planned in baton rouge this after an active but overall peaceful night, the first night we have seen law enforcement in riot gear. it was tense at moments last

night, particularly when protesters blocked an intersection and police ordered them on. some of those people were removed by police, taken away. when officers fell back, however, so did a large portion of the crowd. everyone dispersed in the early morning hours. those demonstrators while active calling for justice for alton sterling, calling for the arrest of officers involved. the mother of his oldest son shared her reaction to the events of the past few days. >> it makes me feel good to know that the community is coming together as one. i appreciate -- i really appreciate it because he was truly loved and they are showing he was loved. i would appreciate if you're going to do it, do it without the violence. you know, just do it and let's be together. let's be on one accord. let's be a team without any

chaos or anything else. >> reporter: local leaders encourage nonviolent protesting including an economic boycott and withdrawal that began yesterday and is extended through the weekend. a boycott of local malls and wal-marts, alex. one of the organizers tell me if they don't respect our humanity, they will respect our dollar. >> sarah dallof, thank you so much in baton rouge. police robots, the ethical concern and how they were used to kill the suspect like they did in dallas. (vo) my name's nick

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a second night of protest largely peaceful.

rochester, new york, arrests made because of disorderly conduct. singing, a praying, chanting filled city streets coast-to-coast, criticized police brutality after two deaths during police stops in louisiana and minnesota. they condemned the violence in dallas and any further attacks against police officers. dallas police thursday night exchanged gunfire with the suspect. he was holed up in the downtown garage after the initial attack. early friday morning police made a tactical decision for what may be the first time ever here in the u.s. they used a bomb on a robot to kill the shooter. tom costello has our report. >> with five officers dead, 14 people injured, and unable to get a clean shot, dallas police turn to overseas battlefield tactics to take out the gunman using a robot to deliver and detonate an explosive. >> other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger. >> in recent years s.w.a.t. teams have come to rely on robots, send in cameras to

locate gunmen, investigate suspect bags. scott reed, spent years with lapd, s.w.a.t. >> they made a good decision. have you to neutralize him. >> delivering the bomb was not in the original intent. robots have been around for decades but battles in iraq and afghanistan a far more robust and capable product. now bomb squads and police departments around the country are using this technology every day. outside of washington the montgomery county, maryland, bomb squad has a small fleet of remotely operated robots. >> this is our largest robot, basically a front end loader. >> from very big to small, equipped with microphones, clause, whatever is needed. >> anything a human can do we think our robotics are cap capable of doing.

clasps, pick up a small beaker of unstable chemicals or pick up a big box and open a car door. >> and in de los take out a cop killer. the question for s.w.a.t. teams nationwide tonight is whether dallas marks a watershed moment in police tactics. tom costello, nbc news, washington. let's bring in msnbc law enforcement analyst jim cavanaugh, retired special agent in charge and also former hostage negotiator. i'm curious about this. are police forces trained to use robots to deliver lethal force? >> no, it's very unusual to deliver lethal force, especially with an explosive on a robot. now, robots are capable of mounting a shotgun. that's usually used to disrupt a bomb or suspicious package. that was the main use. bomb squads have these and they have various disrupters, claws, tools, fix a shotgun, shoot a package. that's the main use. s.w.a.t. teams have smaller robots and we use those on our tactical teams that are much

smaller, a few inches across with treads, wheels. used for reconnaissance. small tactical robots and tools for reconnaissance. but these larger robots that we've used these to negotiate with barricaded suspects or go in a hallway and see if someone is in there if we just needed a larger application. we've negotiated with people from the camera and the video on the end of the robot while you're sitting at the command desk you can actually watch negotiation from the robot with the suspect if it's set up right. >> but given what happened here, now that we've seen this done in dallas, do you think it will be the start of being implemented, this kind of tactic more? >> no, i really don't, alex. i think what was so unusual here, one thing is the location they got this shooter in, the parking garage. a completely brick and cement enclosure. it's vented. there's no people there above or below. they have got it all evacuated.

it's a very tight, a very unusual box he was in with no access. he could lay low. their only access might have been a ramp. so it was a very unusual location. also the fact that scott talked about as much is this guy alleged he had iuds bombs placed across dallas. if you're the commander, you've got to weigh that. is this guy in there? can he detonate these bombs? does he really have them? you don't know. can he detonate from a cell phone? that's an uprisk, acceleration. main consideration is not throwing tactical officers to get shot with a rifle, sks rifle that's already shot 11 officers. that's the smart money and that's what tactical teams are going to do. they are not going to give you the shot. they are going to get the shot. in this case they didn't have the shot, didn't want the emergency or delivered assault team go in with flash bag and 2011 your officers are killed by a rifle and you kill the guy, that's a losing proposition.

so in this unique case i think it was a good decision. >> okay. in terms of the discussion in the aftermath, how many times have we discussed about the ethical and moral conflict of these drones overseas. do you think that kind of conversation is going to erupt now over the use of this bomb robot? >> i think it's a good intellectual discussion but at some point it gets silly. terrorists strap a bomb on their chest and run into a restaurant. are we supposed to strap a bomb on our chest so we're the same as them? no, we use a missile from a drone or jet fighter to take out the terrorist leader. we have technology. we can use technology. if we have a better rifle and better rifle scope we're going to use it. if the military has better surveillance intact cal police we'll use them. if we have tools and we had tools, we can throw into a barricaded situation with a camera and we can watch it,

secrete it in there, alex, the military has been trying to develop little bumblebees and dragonflies that can fly in windows with a camera. think about the value of that for police and gunman, a dragonfly, fly around, someone holding hostages in an apartment, go in a hallway, go inside, come out. should we not use that? i think we should use everything we can use technologically if we can save lives or stop killers. we all have to be concerned about innocent lives. that's the way s.w.a.t. teams operate. they are operating to keep that down. innocent lives stop the killer, not necessarily kill the killer. if he wants to surrender, great. that's his first choice. if he won't, he'll be apprehended or caught, killed or blown up. >> i saw a robotic camera on a fly. i thought, i wonder how long

before that will be implemented in police tactics, in their arsenal. jim, always good to talk to you. thank you so much. >> thanks, alex. ironically thursday night before the ambush dallas police department tweeted pictures to show how peaceful this protest was. this one even shows those two officers posing with a protester, no apparent sign of any problem at all. pictures have been liked and retweeted almost 8,000 times. reaction to the pictures includes this tweet that includes, thank you, and sorry for your heartbreaking loss. please don't allow today's events to change this picture. the tragedy in dallas is reverberating around the globe and forcing president obama to cut short his overseas trip. that's next. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants

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people were arrested, protesting the victims of the killing of the african-american men. there was no property damage. as for the president he's cutting his european visit short to visit dallas. let's go to ron allen in warsaw, poland, with the president. i guess the president got the official invitation to visit dallas, right? >> reporter: he did, from the mayor. he had been in touch with the mayor moments after the incident unfulled in the early morning hours here late night in dallas, of course. the president is essentially taking a day off of his plans here. he's in poland now, traveling to spain later tonight and will be there tomorrow. obviously the situation back in the united states is urgent and requires his attention more directly, the president has assessed. we believe he's going to go to

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a lot of people who participate with these meetings say he's empathetic and approaches them as a husband, father, parent, and real human being. can you imagine the weight that's placed on him in these sessions. beyond that, he'll probably lay a wreath or pay tribute at a public memorial, perhaps make public statements. the white house is saying also when he returns to washington from dallas, the rest of the week there will be meetings about issues of policing, protests, about what the president sees as racial bias, disparities, issues of grave concern to the president and issues still dividing the nation. so that's going to be his focus. soon home because of the urgency. >> given this president is a very devoted father and husband, unenviable task speaking to the loved ones of those lost. how will events impact presidential race?

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welcome back, everyone. i'm alex at msnbc headquarters in new york. we're learning more. five police officers died, seven more injured. micah xavier johnson who was killed after hours long standoff with police was a native texan and former army reservist who served one tour of duty in afghanistan. more recently johnson had been working as an aide to children and adults with criminal needs. he no criminal record. after the shooting police found a stockpile of weapons and bomb making materials in his home. johnson's aunt told reporters that the family is, quote, so shocked about the shootings. police officers respond to some of the worst moments in police officers lives. their efforts are often met with little thanks. in the aftermath of thursday's attack in dallas, the city's

police chief david brown said he's seen a change. >> in the police profession, we're very comfortable with not hearing thank you. from citizens especially who need us the most. we're used to it. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you so much for the sacrifi sacrifice. i appreciate you. i love you, and i'm so glad that you guys are here. >> so today feels like a different day than the days before this tragedy, because you're here. because dallas is a city that loves. we need citizens to show off that they appreciate their sacrifice. our officers are going to need counseling for a very long time.

our officers are going to need to hear from you more than just today that you appreciate their sacrifice. so i want to say what i experienced during these last 24 hours is heartfelt from you all. i want to say thank you to all of you for your support today. we feel this today. this is something you've shown us that you really do care. so thank you so much and godspeed. godspeed. thank you. thank you. thank you. >> those heartfelt words of dallas police chief david brown in the wake of one of the cities and this nation's darkest days. donald trump and hillary clinton both canceling events they were supposed to hold yesterday because of the shootings in dallas. however, they have addressed the shooting deaths of the police officers as well as the deadly police involved shootings in minnesota and louisiana. let's go to msnbc's kasie hunt

covering the clinton campaign for us and joins me from washington. let's talk about clinton's latest remarks. what can you tell us about them? >> it's really kind of a reflective pause in this campaign, alex, as the nation takes in this tragedy and both candidates stepped away from the campaign trail. hillary clinton was supposed to campaign yesterday in scranton, pennsylvania, with vice president joe biden. that's, of course, his hometown. the campaign went back and forth, should they cancel the event entirely, do it differently. at the end of the day they decided not to do it but did keep an appointment with ame church conference in philadelphia. this was a gathering of faith leaders. at the end of the speech she was almost preaching from the pulpit to african-americans talking about police involved shootings and police communities in the country. take a look at what she had to

say. >> police officers across the country are pouring their hearts into this work because they know how vital it is to the peace, tranquility, justice and equality of america. they are trying to tell us, and we need to listen. people are crying out for relief from gun violence. gun violence is ripping apart people's lives. they are trying to tell us, and we need to listen. >> you hear her there talking about gun violence. this was not necessarily a speech about gun control like we've heard in the wake of some other tragedies. as you do look back towards those, it's pretty clear this campaign has been driven quite a bit by these outside tragic events, whether the events in brussels, san bernardino, what

happened in orlando, now dallas. it's really -- i think we've reached a moment that feels a little bit different than some of the others. that's pretty clear on the campaign trail, alex. >> i really agree with you, kasie, thank you so much. let's go to hallie jackson from the trump campaign, joins me from the bureau in washington. good morning to you. what's mr. trump's message here? >> reporter: it's interesting playing off what kasie talked about, you're talking about, idea more restrained response from our politicians, that is also what you saw from donald trump who canceled all of his campaign events in florida. he released a statement, his campaign did, a statement very notably subdued. remember after orlando shootings trump came under fire for saying something like or tweeting something like told you so, saying he predicted something like this would happen. we didn't see that from trump this time. instead what we saw was a statement that tried to be

appeal to be more inclusive and followed it up with a little bit of a video statement he posted on facebook, too. watch. >> racial divisions have gotten worse, not better. too many headlines flash across our screens every day about the rising crime and rising death tolls in our cities. now is the time for prayers, love, unity, and leadership. our children deserve a better future than what we're making them live through today. >> reporter: so trump trying to strike inclusion here. he called for restoration of law and order. we do expect to see donald trump back out on the campaign trail next week obviously with veepstakes swirling. >> i listened to donald trump there, he's definitely scripted and that's not what we're used to seeing with him. he's usually very much off the cuff. he may have notes. to what do we attribute this posting, advice from those who

came on board. >> yes. >> that's what you think. >> i think it's a clear, alex, of the sign of growing influence of his team of advisers as he makes this turn towards the convention and to the post convention. donald trump has said to me and others repeatedly he feels as though his campaign hasn't actually started yet and won't really start until after the convention. i think what you're seeing from trump in this instance are people like paul manafort, people like his son-in-law, who has grown increasingly important, communications director jason miller, trying to direct trump into what we've been talking about frankly for months, this idea of him being a more presidential type candidate and being more scripted. it's a sign that is happening, at least right now. >> all right. we mentioned that convention starting in nine short days. thank you, halle, for that. outrage in minnesota. the lingering question stemming from police shooting of motorist philando castile and the outrage from a woman who witnessed it

all. >> i would like for that police officer to look me in my eyes, look me in my eyes, officer. my hands are up. why?

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shooting? >> alex, good morning. we do know that officer has been questioned and that take state agency called bureau of criminal apprehension is leading the investigation right now. outside the governor's mansion here you can see a few lingering protesters. protesters have been camped out since that shooting wednesday night. the governor initially came out in support of the protesters saying he does not believe the shooting had happened if castile had been a white man. he got a lot of pushback, particularly from law enforcement saying he didn't know the facts. the governor told me yesterday he stands by the comments. he believe the shooting was racially motivated based on the inform we had. we are also hearing from the girlfriend who shot that video in the front seat of the car. we asked her what she hopes comes out of this investigation and what she wants to hear from the officer. take a listen. >> i would like for that police

officer to look me in my eye. look me in my eyes, officer. my hands are up. why? why, officer? i don't want anything from you but an apology. i want a public apology from this man. >> reporter: that officer does have an attorney, and we have not heard publicly from him via statements or any other way. yesterday joining the press conference -- joining the rally here last night was the reverend jesse jackson. he made a surprise appearance speaking to the crowd. we asked the crowd what they hope comes out of all of this. they say change. they want to see officers held accountable. frankly in minnesota, we have not seen any charges brought against police officers and there have been a variety of

reasons. the prosecutor did tell us yesterday, he said the bar for charging a police officer in a case like this is incredibly high. the state statute protects officers when they are doing their job and in the course of doing their job. he warned people that that bar is very high. it seems to lead bo we may not see charges here and people need to be prepared for that. he hopes some justice or resolution will come out of this. >> you can look at it person-to-person. i hope diamond reynolds get something of an apology from the man. it doesn't mean guilt, admission, but an apology should be forthcoming. thank you so much. the response to the police involved shootings in louisiana and minnesota includes donations to online fundraisers. a go fund me to provide college fund for alton sterling's five children has already raised $645,000 from some 22,000 donors. there are also two go fund me accounts for the family of

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even yesterday i spoke about our need to be concerned as all americans, not just racial disparities in our criminal justice system, i also said yesterday that our police have an extraordinarily difficult job. the vast majority of them do their job in outstanding fashion. >> president obama yesterday addressing the deaths of police officers in dallas and the deaths of two african-american men shot and killed this week by police, one in baton rouge, louisiana, and the other in a minneapolis suburb.

let's bring in eddie, chair for center of african-american studies at princeton university and donte barry, executive director of million hoodies for justice. gentlemen, thank you for joining me. eddie, i'll begin with you. the president said all americans should be twubld by shootings in louisiana and minnesota. do you think they see killing of african-americans by police as an issue now? >> i don't think so. i think when you look at the content of the president's initial press conference, he was in some way trying to convince americans of racial disparities of criminal justice because he wasn't talking to black folks. we all know that data. we don't feel unequal treatment, we know it. we have evidence of it. look at the recent reporting around response to governor of minnesota's claim that if philando was a white driver, a white motorist, he would still be alive today. law enforcement said that was irresponsible. rudy giuliani wouldn't even

concede the claim. part of what happens here that we have to always convince a certain segment of the population of the united states that racial discrimination, that racism actually exists and has a disproportionate impact on our lives. we have to do that in the midst of grieving. you can imagine how that can make you rageful. >> oh, yeah. >> because it basically suggests that those folks who hold that position actually don't value our lives in the way that they should. and so part of what we have to do, alex, is have an honest conversation about why that's the case. that many of our fellow americans are not convinced -- are not convinced that black lives are not valued as much as other lives in this country, when the evidence is overwhelming that that is the case. >> especially that which we see now on social media and cell

phone video and the like. dante, i'm curious about that which happened in dallas. it was a peaceful protest. this action rang out. it was horrific and heinous in the way it destroyed lives. are you worried there will be a further wedge driven between police forces and the black community as a result of dallas? >> i think the reason why black folks are on onstreak right now is because our dignity and lives and humanity is on the line. so i actually think we need to be centering our conversations how to restore democracy in places black people have been excluded from. so we're able to get to the root cause of that problem. we're going to continue to see black people and our allies on the street, because this is a movement dedicated and determined to build -- to reimagine what democracy looks

like with black people in leadership and black people at the center of the conversation because we know that anti-black racism is pervasive, not only in our criminal justice system but every fabric of our lives. so until black people have the full -- their full humanity, justice and freedom, we're going to continue to see black folks on the street marching, organizing, and turning out in ways that we haven't seen before. >> gentlemen, i want to ask you both quickly if there's something you can both offer up as a way to avoid this issue becoming an us versus them on what continues. what can be done? eddie, you first? >> i think we have to confront our history honestly, july 1967, president johnson convened the current commission. they issued their report a year later. that report talked about the incredibly difficult relationship between police and

african-american communities. that report talked about the existence of structural rationism, enduring legacy, not om of jim crow but slavery. until we honestly confront this and stop this rhetoric to try to maintain white innocence, until we stop doing this, we can't, in effect, achieve our country. in other words, we have to stop being adolescent and in a mature way confront the ugliness of who we are. >> okay. dan dante, your thoughts? >> again, we need to look at the root cause of this problem, right? that's white supremacy and patri. we are seeing police not be accountable. we are seeing police with assault rifles and military grade weaponry that are being used to patrol and occupy our communities. so i think when we really get to

the root of this, we really need to think about how are we creating safer communities? where our folks, citizens, feel they can live with their dignity and with justice and liberation. >> okay. well said from you both. million hoodies movement director dante berry and eddie, thank you very much. we'll continue coverage in a moment taking a look at people's confidence in police and what can be done to restore. see you back at noon eastern. xxxx