good saturday morning to you. i'm craig melvin in dallas texas. 48 hours ago a man opened fire on a protest.

by the time he finished, five police officers are dead. we're learning more today about the victims and that shooter as well. he's been identified as micah xavier johnson, a 25-year-old, was a former army reservist. he was also a trained carpenter who served a tour of duty in afghanistan. in poland friday where president obama was attending nato summit he shared his own grief over this week's violence. he also shared his support for those hit hardest. >> today our focus is on the victims and their families. they are heart broken. the entire city of dallas is grieving. police across america, this is a tight-knit family, feels this loss to their core, and we're grieving with them. >> back at home, it was a tense night in many parts of this country. protests against this week's police involved shootings broke

out in more than half a dozen cities from philadelphia to san francisco, baton rouge and atlanta as well. in rochester, new york, 74 people were arrested overnight. 74, most of them for disorderly conduct. meanwhile in phoenix, arizona, police sprayed protesters with pepper spray there. back here in dallas, we start with nbc's gabe gutierrez with more details on the gunman. what more do we know about micah johnson? >> pouring over his digital trail. see behind me on the seen, fbi and atf here, streets in downtown dallas shut down and will be for several days, police say until possibly next wednesday. this area might be shut down. we're learning more about the shooter, 25 years old, micah xavier johnson. he lived in a two-story home with his mother.

he served in afghanistan, received ribbons and medals for his service. neighbors say they noticed him in a military uniform performing what appears to be tactical drills in his backyard. yesterday authorities at his home and took out several items, ballistic vest and journal that describe combat tactics. authorities do say he appears to be a lone gunman at this point. multiple law enforcement tell nbc news he does not appear to have any ties to domestic extremist groups. as for why he did this, craig, the conversation or the negotiations had with police on the scene, expressed his hatred for white police officers, felt sad about recent police shootings. he said he did it because he wanted to kill white officers. at one point he said he didn't want to talk with white police officers as part of his negotiations authorities felt they need to go in there with that robot and detonate that bomb. >> this was a hate crime, pure

and simple. what else did they find inside the home. mentioned the journal. anything else? >> ballistic vest, body armor. law enforcement tells us he went to the scene. he carried out the shooting with body armor. this is a well planned, well thought out attack and this is something the police chief said he had been plunk for a very long time. >> it will be interested to see pouring over digital footprint, whether they come across things that should be a red flag, communications of some sort. gabe gutierrez, thank you so much. let's go to joe friar standing by at baylor medical center in dallas not far from where we sit. joe. >> craig, good morning. we now know the names of all five police officers who were killed in the shooting and we're learning more about each of them. some of the newest names that have been released, senior

corporal lorne ahrens, loving father, devoted husband. his wife a detective on the police force. the oldest victim sergeant michael smith, he was 55 years old. according to reports we've read, his family asked him if he wanted to retire. he said, no, he wanted to continue working so he could help some of the younger officers. brebt thompson was -- brent thon worked for d.a.r.t., dallas area rapid transit, married a fellow officer two weeks ago. michael krol, in corrections, came to the dallas area. his family said he wanted to be a police officer because he wanted to try to help meme. tat rick zamarripa, 32 years old, a navy veteran, served three tours in iraq, mattered here in dallas, a huge sports fan. two children, a stepson and

daughter, 2 1/2 years old. we heard from his mother. take a look at what she had to say. >> he loved life. he loved his family. he loved his job. he was a happy man. he was where he wanted to be. i'm very proud of him. i'll always be proud of him for the work he did, the job he had, for the son that he was. >> reporter: in addition to the five police officers who were killed, seven other police officers were injured. we're told all of them are expected to survive. most have been treated and released from the hospital. some of their names, misty mcbride, elmer cannon, gretchena rocha. two civilians. one mother who brought her kids to the rally shielded them from gunfire and was shot in the calf and expected to be okay. craig. >> joe at baylor medical center, thank you. across the country, thousands

took to the streets in protest for a second day in a row. this was the scene in baton rouge, louisiana, last night where 37-year-old alton sterling was fatally shot by a police officer early tuesday. that officer is now on administrative leave. sarah dallof outside the convenience store where all of this took place in baton rouge. what's it like this morning? what do we expect to see there today in baton rouge? >> it's calm and quiet so far this morning, craig, as people stop by to pay respects to alton sterling to take photos. we are expecting a crowd together as the day goes on and more demonstrations expected as well today. this after an active but overall peaceful night. the first night we have seen officers in riot gear. it was tense at moments, particularly when those protesters moved in to plok an intersection and police began removing some people, taking

them away. however, when officers fell back, so did the majority of the cro crowd. they were calling for justice of alton sterling, calling for the arrest of the two officers involved in the shooting. this followed a day of gatherings outside the convenience store where he was killed. earlier in the day local leaders called for nonviolent protests including an economic boycott of local malls and walmart stores expected to last through the weeke weekend. >> if we can put enough pressure, economic pressure on the chamber of commerce, we believe they will put pressure on the chief of police, district attorney to bring about a resolution in this situation here, even if they have to sacrifice those two officers, which really wouldn't be sacrificing, they would just be getting what they deserved. those two officers he referenced

involved in the shooting are on paid administrative leave, which is standard in a case of an officer-involved shooting as the investigati investigation. leading the event, a lawmaker on the street telling me he has confidence in the doj. back to you. >> sarah dallof in baton rouge, louisiana. sarah, thank you. police robots. how they work and the ethical debate on using them to help kill suspects like here in dallas. ♪ ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for up to 72

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the impact of the dallas shootings felt throughout the country today, even celebrity circles as well. native texan beyonce, beyonce from houston, which is about 4 1/2 hours from where i sit posted video and statement on instagram page writing in part, every human life is valuable. we must be the solution. every human being has a right to protest without suffering more unnecessary violence. to effect change we must show love in the fate of hate and peace in the fate of violence. facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg weighing in, "images are graphic and heartbreaking and shine the light on fears millions of members of our community live with every day. it reminds us why coming together to build a more open and connected word is so important and how far we still have to go. that coming from mark zuckerberg. you may recall facebook lives,

extra stream feature, was actually used earlier this week to show moments after fland ro castile. that tactic with the robot getting a lot of attention this morning. thursday there was this robot, it delivered an explosive device to the suspect's location. i think we can show where that went down. second floor parking garage from where i'm sitting now, there's the garage right there. they sent in a robot several hours after trying to negotiate with the 25-year-old. at the end of the arm of this robot there was an explosive device used. they detonated that device.

they killed what's believed to be the first time on american soil. haley from "time" magazine, your latest article entitled "when can police use a robot to kill a suspect." i know you spoke to legal and robotic scholars about this. what did they tell you? >> the short answer to the question and the headline is we don't really know. this is by all counts the first time police have used robots in this way. we don't know exactly what kind of robot they chose to use or what explosive device they used. we d'oh know these robots weren't intended to be used for killing. they are intended as defensive robots to dismantle bombs, surveil suspects, things like that. this was equipped with some sort of explosive device and sent in there. there's really no guidelines object when that should be used, when it was used in the past.

we're in totally uncharted waters here. >> we're showing the picture of we don't know if this is the actual robot that was used but it was a robot like this one. i know one of the professors you talked to raised the question about why deadly force had to be used and couldn't the robot be used to deliver some sort of nonlethal agent. another said she was concerned about what this means for future cases. what are some of those concerns? >> well, on one level, we shouldn't be surprised when weapons of war, military weapons return to us here in our police forces. we've seen that for years with the militarization of police, see police come out with armed vehicles and weapons you really would never have seen on the streets of the united states 20, 30 years ago. we do have a tendency to take the weapons we use in war and return them back to our streets. there is a major concern there. where do we want to draw the

line. where is it okay if we use drones on u.s. soil and drones in what capacity? for years we've been using drones to have targeted executions and killing in afghanistan and yemen and different places in the middle east. obviously those technologies could potentially be used in the u.s. there's all kinds of reasons we don't want to allow that. the robot issue is slightly different because these robots weren't designed to kill. they were designed as defensive tools, but they are already being retrofitted in the field. i talked to one source, peter singer at new america saying he spoke to soldiers in iraq who outfitted one of these robots in exactly the same way we saw the dallas police do, put a bomb on there with duct tape and sent it down an alley way to kill a combatant. so we're going to see this line

blurring. as many of my sources said, we need to start codifying what's okay, what we feel okay with, and how we want to use these weapons of 21st century war here back in america. >> we should note here according to the police chief and the mayor, i mentioned this as well, through that news conference yesterday, that this was in the opinion of the officers on the scene here, this was an option of last resort. they had lost a number of lives so far that night and they had negotiated with the shooter. they had not see any other resolution that might prevent the loss of more human lives, the thinking being sending the robot in at this point was their last option. again, this according to police. i think you raise a very interesting point. i mean, the fact that we have been using drones overseas for some time now to take out enemy

combatants, that being the language of the u.s. government. we know some civilians have lost their lives as a result as well. how is this different? how is using a robot different from using a drone to accomplish the same goal? >> absolutely. you make an important point. almost everyone i spoke to, in this case you have a man you know is an armed and dangerous shooter. he's in an area where they couldn't get to him safely without risking more -- without putting officers lives at risk. they felt like this was the best option. from everything we can tell, this wasn't something they had planned ahead of time. it was really an innovative strategy to take an existing tool, this robot, and send it in. on some level, a lot of people say in this case this is okay. we feel okay about the use of the robot here. but what about the future. you know, is this going to become a thing where we just use robots to kill people who we

know need to die anyway. as one of my sources said, if we can equip this robot to send c-4 into an enclosed area, why couldn't we have equipped him to go in with some sort of device that released a substance that would have knocked this active shooter out, just made him pass out and we could have taken him alive and known a lot more about the situation that we're in now. >> the chief concern being that this goes from being an option of last resort to the first option for some police departments around the country. haley edwards from "time" magazine, a fascinating read. thanks for coming on and talking to us about it. >> thanks for having me. different messages. the reaction hillary clinton and donald trump have had to this week's tragic events. ♪ uh oh. oh. henry!

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welcome back to dallas, texas. i'm craig melvin here. it is a city desperately trying to come to grips with the reality of that deadly assault. those assassinations on members of its police force. a gallup poll earlier this month before recent shootings, gallup poll highlights confidence in police. 52%. whites, however, far more positive about law enforcement, 62% having confidence in police, for the second straight year 39% of nonwhites expressing confidence in police. more on what those numbers mean a little bit later in the hour. the events over the past week are having a ripple effect on the presidential campaign as well. for that we turn to frances

rivera, she's at msnbc headquarters in new york this morning. francis. >> craig, thank you. hillary clinton and donald trump both canceled events they were supposed to hold yesterday because of the shootings in dallas. however, they have addressed deaths of police officers as well as deadly shootings in minnesota and louisiana. joining me now from our bureau in washington is nbc's hallie jackson who is covering the trump campaign. halle, good morning to you. i'm sure we're hearing from donald trump but with a more b subdued tone. >> reporter: we are. it's more subdued than other shootings in the past, other national tragedies. trump out with a statement early in the day and a video statement he released on facebook, clearly scripted, clearly crafted in order to strike a very deliberate tone. he talked about the need for inclusiveness but also talked about the need to restore law and order in this nation and emphasized focus on law

enforcement as well. for trump this has been over the last 24 hours or so, a sign of his growing influence in his circle of advisers. people like his top aide paul manafort, his son-in-law jared. >> is the trump campaign giving you an indication how he might tackle these issues throughout the election? >> he hasn't yet, for example, gone after the president or hillary clinton the way you have seen some do, including one of his advisers blaming hillary clinton for the divisiveness in this country. this is something politically you see some republicans try to use as an opportunity. senator marco rubio who i spoke

with yesterday in florida have backed off from that saying the people that are to blame, person to blame for the shooting in dallas is the person who did the shooting. when you look at where the republican rhetoric is, where the democratic rhetoric is, it seems now notably they are taking a step back. it has been less inflammatory in the past on both sides of the aisle. >> a lot after this, a lot to reflect on as well. nbc's hallie jackson in washington, d.c. hallie, thank you. community outrage, reforms in jeopardy that could be lost after this week's attack. ♪ take on the unexpected with a car that could stop for you.

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protests breaking out in a half dozen cities in response to the police involved shootings in minnesota and louisiana earlier this week. in atlanta yesterday an estimated 200 demonstrators blocked traffic. in phoenix, arizona, police pepper sprayed protesters in bean bags, three people arrested there. six others were hurt in the chaos there in phoenix. meanwhile in rochester, new york, 74 people were arrested for disorderly conduct. two of the protesters were also charged with resisting arrest there in new york. meanwhile back here in dallas, this is very much a community reeling from the fatal shooting targeting police officers. it was the deadliest attack on law enforcement since 9/11. nbc's sarah rosario has the latest. police describing the gunman as a mobile shooter. we learned yesterday he was essentially after leaving the streets going from one floor to

the other picking off officers here two or three blocks from where i sit. what else are they saying about this shooter? >> well, that's right, craig. police are saying that 25-year-old gunman acted alone. you may remember his gunfire was originally mistaken for that of snipers, which was why police are calling him a mobile shooter. while he was killed by police detonated bomb, today we're learning a little bit more about him. he's a veteran from the war in afghanistan. he also has a serious grudge against cops and white people. screams, gunfire, fear, and chaos the result of what police are calling a well planned attack by micah xavier johnson, taking the lives of five police officers and wounding seven more. >> this was a mobile shooter that had written manifestos on how to shoot and move, shoot and move, and he did that. >> two others were also wounded

in the killing spree taking part in what started out as a peaceful protest over the shoogts shooting deaths of black men in louisiana and minnesota. >> saw people running various ways and ducking and hiding behind walls. >> as demonstrators ran for cover, he was in a parking garage, killing him by an explosion with a bomb detonated robot. >> seems the sole suspect has received his justice. what will be important is to ensure that there are no other potential co-conspirators. >> three others detained in the question but they haven't said whether they played any role in the attack. at a moment of silence in the rangers game, governor lit up in blue, a memorial, people putting flowers and letters on police cars. texas is a tough state.

just like we've overcome so many challenges in the past, we will overcome this challenge with the future being even better than the past. >> a past which now includes the deadliest day for u.s. law enforcement since 9/11. for now most of downtown dallas, as you mentioned, remains on lockdown with investigators still searching for evidence and looking for answers. if you take a look behind me atf has set up their mobile command unit here. president obama is ending his europe trip just a day early so he can come here to dallas early next week. he's expected to meet with the governor here as well as victims. reporting live in dallas, sarah rosario. craig, back to you. >> sarah, thank you so much for that. i want to bring in texas state senator west now. senator, good to see you. we were standing and talking i feel like just a few hours ago a few feet from where i'm sitting. you got to houston pretty

quickly. west dallas, your home district, how are the people in this part of dallas, how are they doing, how are they coping with what happened thursday night? >> the the reality, people still in kind of a daze. this is unbelievable, surreal, given that the police department in dallas has been responsive to some of the issues between law enforcement in the minority community. i think you've quoted statistics as it relates to the number of -- decreasing the number of complaints against police officers in the dallas area and you've also had guests on that have talked about the number of different programs that have been initiated by this chief of police. >> do you think that some of those reforms, and again for folks who might be joining us, dallas is one of the few cities in this country held up by some

as a model, to a certain extent, of how you bridge the chasm between the police and the community. complaints of excessive force down in dallas, texas, over the past five or six years. murder rates down. all the key indicators have been down here, a lot of them have been down here. do you think what happened here thursday night, friday morning does anybody to jeopardize the progress that has been made in dallas, texas? >> no. i think what ends up happening, dallas will probably be ground zero for reform in this country. i know national governors association is meeting next week. i'm hoping one of the items on their agenda is to deal with this particular issue, not only in the state of texas but throughout the entire united states. there must be coming together -- these officers and the victims in baton rouge and also minnesota should not have died -- should not die in vein. it's great to have these conversations, but the question

is what will we do in the names of these victims in order to make certain this doesn't happen or we reduce the chances of this happening again in our country. >> you know, i'm going to ask you a question just to piggyback on what you said. not to sound callous. but if there is someone who is hell bent on wreaking the kind of havoc that was wreaked here in dallas early friday morning, someone who appears to have trained, someone who drew on their tactical knowledge in the military, can you reasonably be expected to stop a guy like this from doing what he did friday morning? is there anything that we can do to stop this? >> obviously i am not a professional as it relates to how to deal with these type of situations but a reasonable person basically said there's not a lot of person you can do if someone is hell bent on this

type of callous behavior. when you begin to think about what happened with this shooter, this shooter wasn't just shooting at dallas police officers, this shooter had it in for law enforcement across this country. i want people to recognize it wasn't just focusing in on dallas law enforcement but law enforcement across the entire country. we have got to make certain that we deal with this racial divide between law enforcement and the african-american community in this country in order to come to a reasonable solution so we can protect citizenry and make certain we protect officers also. >> senator west, before i let you go, i know that you're aware of the lieutenant governor's remarks, lieutenant governor dan patrick here in texas made some critical remarks of the protesters here saying essentially, and i'm paraphrasing here, that they were hypocritical in thinking

that the police they were protesting against, in his words, should be expected to protect them when all hell opened up early friday morning. he's caught a lot of flack for those comments. i know you had a conversation with him at a prayer service yesterday. what did you say to him? what did he say to you? >> well, let me put it like this. i think that if you were to talk to him again, he would say that those were poorly used words. i don't think he used the correct terminology. i would hope that y'all would visit with him again to see whether he retracts those words and puts them in context. i think he will based on the conversations we've had with him. >> the invitation to the lieutenant governor to do just that. state senator royce west. senator, thank you for your time. our thoughts and prayers continue to be with you and the people of dallas, sir. >> thank you.

>> let us get to st. paul, minnesota. st. paul, minnesota, the site of another fatal police shooting that led to the death of an african-american man this week. nbc's blake mccoy on duty for us outside the governor's mansion there. blake, the governor has been getting some pushback over some comments that he made about that case. tell us about those comments in his administration. are they saying anything more? >> well, that's right, craig. the day after this shooting, the governor came out, stood with protesters, heard what they had to say. then he said he does not believe that the shooting would have had the same outcome had philando castile been white. he says we need to discuss this racism and he does believe race played a major factor in the shooting. in the hours later law enforcement pushed back calling those remarks irresponsible. i had a chance to ask the governor about that pushback and whether he regretted those

comments. he says, no, he stands by them. he says that is his belief based on the facts he has seen so far. just to give you an update on where things stand now, we have seen protests over the last several days. this is the governor's mansion behind me. you can see signs. people have police tape all around the fence. they are calling for justice for philando castile. joining them last night was the reverend jesse jackson making a surprise appear absence. this -- appearance. this is what he had to say. >> don't let it break your spirit. there's this tug-of-war in the soul of america. we're going backwards by fear and hate or forward by hope and healing. we must make a choice. but don't turn loose. we've learned to survive apart.

now we must learn to live together. we must learn to live together. >> governor mark dayton and protesters here are calling for the justice department to step in and lead this investigation. so far the justice department, though, is resisting those calls, saying they have faith in the state agency, bureau of criminal apprehension currently leading the investigation. the justice department says they are monitoring things and will step in and assist if necessary. the officer who fired those shots has been questioned. we do know that the officer was not wearing a body camera but there is dash-cam from his patrol car and a second patrol car. that dash-cam video apparently has audio. that is being reviewed as part of the investigation. the county attorney here in ramsey county, minnesota, is calling for this investigation to not only be thorough but to also be quick. he says the community is demanding answers and they deserve them in a timely manner.

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the demonstration. so far we have not heard back. i'm joint now by louisiana representative jordan. state representative jordan we should note here the attorney who is acting as a spokesman for alton sterling's family as well. thank you so much for joining me, first of all. the entire country watched the other moronic as mrs. mcmillan's son cried for his dead father. it touched us all in a guttural way. how is that family coping this morning? >> i'll tell you, everybody is having a difficult time. i talked to sondra just this morning. also talked to quinnyeta yet rmt we were with the governor at the state capital. everybody is having a difficult time but moving forward.

>> has the family reacted to the shootings here in dallas? >> you know what, they reacted. but frankly, what happened in dallas is something separate and apart from alton sterling. i think we need to be careful not to conflate the two. there was a rally. but as i understand it, the rally had ended. it was a peaceful rally, then the unfortunate and tragic incident happened in dallas. but i don't think those two should be intertwined. i think that's something totally separate and apart than rallies for alton sterling or philando castile. >> even though many of the protesters here that i talked to say they gathered in part because of what happened to mr. sterling there in baton rouge. you think they should be

complete separated? >> i think it should be separate. that was the event everyone was gathering for. as i understand it, the protest had ended. people were walking -- when ther decided to -- to take action. so i'm not sure, you know, even if they have determined that he was even part of the rally. but even if he was, look. we are calling for peaceful protests. we are not calling for anything dealing with violence, but i -- >> you know what? i think that is a skype interview, obviously. i think we just lost the connection there and try to get him back at some point. we do have him back? mr. jordan, are you still with me? >> i'm with you. >> continue where you left off, sir. go ahead. i'm sorry. >> i'm saying, look.

i think those are things separate and apart. we were certainly saddened bit events in dallas and don't condone the actions of that gentleman in any way. but i think we need to focus at least here in baton rouge, we want to focus on the issue of alton sterling and the baton rouge police department, and that is where our focus is right now. >> really quickly here while i have you. i know you've been trying to get the surveillance camera footage released. where are you with that and what are investigators telling you about if that will happen and, if so, when that will happen? >> you know what we haven't spoken -- investigators haven't told us anything of when that will happen. i think now that it's in the hands of the fbi and the justice department, you know, i think they are going to be very private with that and keep it close to the vest. we certainly they would release it all because we have two other videos that are out. so i don't think there is any

need to hold it. i think it should be released to the public and so that is what we are going to continue to ask for. >> state representative edmund jordan, thank you, sir. >> thank you. come to america. in the wake of this week's events, believe it or not, one country now telling its citizens to be careful traveling to the united states of america. that's next. ♪ ♪

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in the wake of the officer-involved shooting deaths of two young black men in louisiana and minnesota earlier this week, the bahamas has issued a travel advisory for citizens heading to the united states they released a statement asking for young men, quote, to exercise extreme caution in affected cities and their interactions with the police. do not be confrontational and

cooperate. that coming from the government of the bahamas. president obama, meanwhile, cutting his european trip short in order to visit dallas next week. nbc's ron allen is valve tralfitralf i -- traveling with the president. ron, what have you heard about the details of the president's trip here to dallas? >> all we know, craig, is that he is going to travel there sometime early next week at the invitation of the mayor. perhaps tuesday, wednesday, we are not sure. we hope to get more detail. of course the president has spoken out about the violence in the united states from poland on several occasions and expect to her from at 12:30 eastern when he will hold a press conference in poland. questions about dallas will be a part of that, i think think. the president feels he needs to be there hands on. >> president obama, once again, will come here and play consoler

in chief, a role that he has had to play far too many times. ron, thank you there in poland, traveling with president obama. that is going to do it for of this hour of msnbc live. joy reed will be asking congressman elijah cummings what the tragedy here in this city will mean for the gun control debate in this country. that's next here on msnbc. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink

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