and memorials for the slain officers are springing up around the country as are demonstrations honoring the two black men killed by police in minnesota and louisiana. some have turned violent. this hour, we have all angles covered, including eyewitness accounts of thursday's shooting. how the latest massacre is requiring change. joining me is eddy bernice johnson who represents part of this city and surrounding areas. thank you for coming on. you and i spoke by satellite in the hours after this happened. how are you coming to grips with all of this in your mind? >> it is very difficult. it is very clear the city is in mourning. i felt it more after i came home to see how everyone has come together. i just left the police department where he is meeting with the delegation, the city manager and all the people have

come together like one family. we are all in grief because what we are aware of is that the victims families are having to deal with this in a very different manner. we are a long ways from getting back to where we were. there is a great deal of emotional repair that we have got to do for everyone around here. >> reporter: at the memorial at police headquarters, i saw so many people break down in tears. you can understand why. >> people are just standing on the street embracing and talking with each other. i went over to the police headquarters, you have to go around people to get in. the soul of this city is together. i think it will have great impact for a long time to come. >> reporter: one of the things i see every time i cover these stories is when you talk to the

families of the victims, they want to know that their loved one did not die in vain when they have died in such a sudden, horrible, public way. we have just heard president obama, who was in warsaw, and one of the things he said is we need to find construction actions. you just came back from washington. what do construction actions work like, look like? >> i sfouppose a construction action looks different to a lot of different people. construction action to me does mean getting more weapons off the street. i can't help by come down to two he areas of focus. one, we are not addressing the mentally ill and certainly not in my state. we did pass a piece of legislation this last week. it has not yet become law. that's one area i just cannot

get away. every major multi-killing that we have seen in this country, once they examine the person's personality and behavior leading up to the incident, it points to one thing. they needed mental help and attention. >> reporter: congresswoman, you know that issue, of putting some constraints on guns, weapons designed to kill and not to harm. all those issues we have talked about so much. nothing changed after a bunch of 1-year-olds were blown away in their own school, a colleague almost lost her life and others did. after people who are having a christmas party in san bernardino at the hands of someone whom they had thrown a

baby shower. >> that's the same thing we must do. we must do something about war weapons being so easy to attain. >> reporter: is there anything you heard in washington that leads you believe there is a will to do that that wasn't there in these past instances? >> i cannot be honest and say that i think that has happened. i must tell you that i cannot give give. the will and the desire to do sothing about addressing this proliferation of weapons on the street. we just cannot give up. we must continue to try to see what we can do to make sure that these weapons that are not for sports do not come to the street and certainly not in the hands of people who have mentally ill.

a background check and if people are prohibited from doing other things in the free world, they certainly should be prohibited in buying a weapon. it is so easy for me to see that but it seems so difficult for the republicans to see it. >> reporter: congresswoman, eddie b eddie bernice johnson. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> reporter: victims are still recovering in the hospital. tammy joins me from baylor medical center. what can you tell me. >> reporter: there are still police officers. police officers from all over the state are worried about their fellow officers, specially here in texas. we had a chance to speak with jime castillo. he described the moment for me when he got the call and rushed over here to the hospital. this is what he found.

>> my brother, also a police officer. i was like, wait a second, my brother is out of town. good. then, the emotions start kicking in. please don't let it be somebody that i know. as soon as he comes arnold the corner, he had that look and he knows that lorne is a dear friend of mine. he had that look. he puts his hand on my shoulder and i knew it was going to be bad. i said, who is it? he said, it was lorne. i said, it can't be lorne. >> reporter: he is describing veteran police officer lorne aarons who passed away in this shooting. he has known lorne. when he trained him and they were out on a training exercise and they were hiding in the bushes and lorne said, don't

worry, jaime, i've got your back. >> thank you very much, tammy. appreciate that. >> tammy with the latest on the victims who are still struggling. we kn we know more about the shooting. a troubling past about 25-year-old michael xavier johnson. he was accused by a female soldier of sexualarassment. the accuser did receive protective orders. he was given be an honorable discharge despite the army recommendation against it. you have been doing incredible reporting here. i want to start with what we have just been seeing here. it is almost hard to believe what unfolded behind us. there were fbi agents out there.

they are continuing to collect evidence. the complexity of an investigation like this where so many people are involved and so many city blocks. it may be a while before we know. >> they are walking the streets, mapping the streets. the streets are still closed. it was extraordinary to me to drive in today. i came in -- this is the first time i came in, because i have been down here for 48 hours before and after the shooting. it is sort of extraordinary to see my streets closed off, to see my downtown a crime scene, to see fbi agents walking slowly mapping and marking downtown, to hear it referred to as a crime scene is extraordinary. >> reporter: i looked out of my hotel window last night to see the police lights and to see the city, the streets almost dead. people were not coming here. the only thing i saw was media. it was so very striking. then, you go not far from here. you go to police headquarters. you see people coming together. strangers hugging each other,

crying. i know that you were down earlier today. people donating. >> i was at dallas police headquarters when the mayor showed up. the mayor went to meet with some officers. to see the mayor surrounded by tv cameras and to see the mourners and well-wishers and the outpouring to see families walking towards police headquarters just to say how awful they felt, to hug officers. there was an army officer standing out there in a solid, constant silent salute. it is devastating. you have a lot of healing left to do in the city. we haven't even buried our dead yet. we haven't gun to comprehend the grieving. this is a crime scene but it is also a memorial. it is also going to be a couple of days of burial. there is going to be a

candlelight vigil in front of city hall put on by the dallas police association. i was with the president, ron kingston, about a while ago. we were driving the streets looking at these streets that are closed off and state troopers and police officers guarding anymore to make sure no one violated the crime scene. they started to weep, which is sort of something that everybody does the longer you talk about it. the more you think about it. this is -- it went from being something so frantic and hectic. we are just a block away from the crime scene itself, from where he was holed up in the parking garage. i was there when the robot detonated the c-4. to think about the fact that this is happening in my city. it is still hard to comprehend. >> reporter: a lot of people are going from shock to grieve.

i was down there. a lot of people were in tears. they wanted to talk to me. a bit of catharsis, i think. i walked up to a d.a.r.t. officer. a dallas area rapid transit and they lost for the first time one of their own. at first he was welcoming and then he just shook his head. how does this city start to process. the funerals will be held. the church services will be held over the weekend. >> let me say, the multi-faith service with the mayor and the chief and my rabbi yesterday at thanksgiving square was extraordinary. i was with the mayor yesterday morning at 6:00. the mayor was very grim at that moment. he was very sad and you could almost tell very angry. as the morning wore on and he was talking to people and went beyond the statistics of the number injured and the number killed, and trying to prepare for that service at thanksgiving

square, where he delivered the most rousing and healing sermon that i have heard a mayor in this city ever deliver, in my lifetime, anyway. you could see a need and a desire and a will to transition from grieve and anger and shock and healing. we have five funerals ahead of us. that's going to be devastating. i was talking to a few officers. they have not slept. they have barely eaten. they haven't compre henldhended lies ahead. i wasn't alive whether president

kennedy was killed. it sparked a tremendous change. the mayor started something called goals for dallas. major johnson tried to push us beyond and create a new and vital city, beyond the ugliness that led to 1963. that's going to be the challenge. the mayor did an extraordinary job yesterday in pushing us gently in that right direction. >> it is always extraordinary to see how americans rise to the occasion after terror and horrible things. good things can come. >> robert wolonski from "the dallas news." thanks for all you have been doing to enlighten people. >>. >> reporter: joining me is mark claxton, a director of the black lives alliance. how do you take something as horrible as what happened here and the horror of what happened in baton rouge and st. paul and

turn it into something good? >> it is a tremendous challenge. these are dark days in dallas. the police officers are going through a grieving period, a mourning period and also an increased sense of vulnerability. what makes it unique and what makes this police profession so unique is that in other professions, if you have this level of work place violence and fatal shootings and killings of your colleague, the next day, the office is shut down and they are sending grief counselors and psychologists in. an opportunity to heal, to mourn, to grieve. in the police profession, the next day is, you have to get back to business as usual as best you can in the midst of grieve, pain and anguish. you have to go and perform with excellence and protect and serve

the community. you have to defend the constitution. you have to move on in the midst of your grief and somehow find a way, find the strength, find the kurnl, find whatever is in you and find a way to look ahead for the colleagues that lost their lives in battle. the nation is mourning and the entire law enforcement community mourning just as hard. >> reporter: i talked to a father and son separated. the dad saw one of the officers shot shot in front of him. he talked about officers moving them and going into the line of fire to a safe place. we have heard so many stories

about officers that moved toward the danger, not away from the danger, and saved lives in the process for sure. how do you help people reconcile those kind of stories with the other kind of stories and what we have seen and what has sparked so many of these protests over the last week or so? >> it goes to show you, this profession is so diverse. you have bridge to gap between the community and police. you may have issues. the law enforcement community does have issues as far as some of the mode of operations across the nation. you may have issues that relate to race. you may have a whole set of issues. you may have a community that is calling for change and calling for something different.

you have a wide range of community that understand law enforcement as i do and my family and the extended community r community. you find yourself as a professional police officer having to always be mindful that you walk a fine line that balances the need to provide professional police services had which often times are very intrusive and evasive. you want to make sure you have a strong emotional and ethical connection with the community that you serve. it is a fine line. that's what makes this profession of law enforcement quite distinct and quite different. it is something that the best police officers are able to do and man nlg throughout their careers. >> reporter: mark claxton, thank

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the tragic death of five police officers. joining me now the police chief. it is a broad question. how do you think the dallas force is doing today? >> i have said over and over again, our hearts are heavy. we are not doing too well. we are trying to strive and concern to serve the citizens of

dallas. we lost five glat officers, some of the finest officers you will see in this city and across the nation. many families, they lost a brother or a son or a husband. we here in the family of blue lost a friend, a peer, part ner, one we could count on on that tragic day a couple of days ago. our hearts have been really heavy. our condolences go out to the family, loved ones across the united states. it has been very tough in dallas trying to pick up the pieces. we are looking ahead to next week. he know the troubles won't be over any time soon. >> in the meantime, you still have streets to patrol and you still have an active investigation that is on going even hypbehind us.

there is so much. you keep are emotion ns check and do your job. >> i think you have seen how professional the officers are. we have incidents like this to find our outcome. more than that who come to the city every day to protect them. it is hard. it is something that i wouldn't wish upon anybody. we have many officers out here who are really feeling the pains of this, because, in 27 years, of law enforcement, 25 here with dallas. i have never felt this way. i have never had a feeling like this that aches and it feels

like a nightmare that i can't wake up from that i can't believe that five officers. five heroes that went and ran into a storm to incapacitate an overwhelming threat of suchl a type of firearm. >> i have talked to officers. they can't eat. they can't sleep. are you doing okay? >> every time i lay down to try to go to sleep, i find myself thinking i slept a long time but it has only been two hours or so. it has been very difficult. the officers i have talked to, they are experiencing that. they can't. we are in a state of shock and disbelief that this has happened right here in our great city where we have done so much work for community engagement and community policing and trying to be professionals. not without error. not without falls, not without challenging. we are striving to do the best we can and this tragedy would

visit our city in such an enormous way, inprecedented. >> this is a police force that has been held up as an example of moving community policing forward. i have to ask you about some criticism that's been out there, including from a member of the texas congressional delegation who said, you know, in this community policing era, we saw pictures of them, police officers, having their photos taken with the demonstrators, with the marchers. we saw them engaged and maybe they let their guard down. when you hear something like that, how do you react? >> that's probably ill-informed. the nature of policing has many inputs and produces many outputs. that's just one way. you break down barriers with people in different environments and police officers have the best gauge for that. so taking a picture, taking a photo to kind of downplay or reduce some of the stress and the fears that people may have

in protesting where they may fear the police or police may have preconceived ideas and notions, it breaks down barriers and challenges. so i would argue against that point of view, about what officers were doing. we are so professional. we have expert planners that plan these events all the time. week after week, there is a protest here. we are always planning them. we have experts that are well and sought out around the nation on the many major events we have had here. we have had numerous black lives matter protests, numerous. we have handled it with professionalism and we gained accolades about how we handled it in comparison to cities that had problems. i would argue against it, about the professionalism and the preparedness of dallas police officers and how we approach things. we will never get rid of the

community engagement component and the community police component. the same thipg was said about, why aren't we engaging? then when we embrace, they say, why don't you push away. we have to be fair and impartial and put out trust and legitimacy in the public. we expect reciprocity. >> i didn't spoke to anyone who didn't have words of praise for the dallas police department. i hope you are feeling the support of the country and the folks that have been turning out in droves to pay their respect. deputy chief malik aziz. thank you so much. >> thank you so much for having me. witnessing this deadly attack first-hand, i will speak to keller next on who was attending thursday's demonstration when the shots range out. pain got bad,

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i'm chris jansing live. we are hearing more from those that witnessed the dallas shooting live. we have a man who witnessed this live with his son. where were you and what did you see and hear? >> the entire rally and protest was very peaceful until the end. i heard what i recognized to begun shots. i saw a lot of mayhem, running, the police running towards the action. i just tried to get out of there. >> did you grab elijah. i said, son, we have to run, we

have to run. like i was telling someone else, children, they can be very disobedient in the easy situations but when it was the worst situation, he was perfectly obedient. he was running a little bit faster than me even grchlt sh what goes through your mind in a moment like that or do you think? do you just react? >> i don't think you any. i think you just react. you start to move and start to think if the gun shots are coming from this way, i need to get him on this side just in case anything happens, then i'll be a shield to him. initially, it is just instinct. >> elijah, how are you doing? >> good. >> he is going into first grade. >> first grade. >> i am surprised it didn't go through your mind something else happened. >> anything could happen. i could have ended up in a wreck on the way there. something could have happened

anywhere. i don't want that to keep me from being able to live. >> now, this is a city that is in mourning. there are five funerals that we have been saying are going to happen over the course of the next week. you have a 5-year-old. what can be done in this community to heal? >> i think the thing that needs to be done is we have to learn to get beyond segregation and get beyond our preconceptions about one another. we have to get to know one another. love has to come to the city. even more, like you mentioned, we are mourning. what people don't understand about mourning. i lost a little brother a few years ago. what people don't understand, you continue to mourn for your whole life. right now dallas is eery. you don't feel the presence of the police like you normally do. what i'm afraid of, in two to

three weeks or months, we are going to forget this happened. right now, people are passing out waters to the police officers. people who would never have -- in my opinion, would have never noticed me walking down the sidewalks or greeting me. hi. how are you doing today? what happens in two or three months when the initial shock leaves? do we go back to the same hate or segregation and officers treating african-americans wrong? do we go back to the same process. >> are you hopeful? >> i am just based on what i've seen through social media. you guys found my wife to get in contact. it is a little easier to get in contact with you than you want to. as far as my hope, i am because office positivity. at the same time, i have had people that have inboxed me, you

are an uncle tom. and inboxed me, america doesn't need christianity. to that, i say, i'm not trying to tell people not to be upset. o i'm not trying to say the murders of alton sterling or mr. castile were justified. the answer is not in retaliation or hate. too many of us want to hate. what i've decided, i know there are people that want to hate. i am going to have to love or want to love as desperately as they want to hate. >> having lost a brother, you know what loss feels like and what these families are going through. >> i hate it for the families, not just for the officers and not just for the african-americans, the countless african-americans that are losing their lives to police brutality and murders. i hate it for these families. it is an emptiness around the

holidays. my brother's birthday is july 12th. i'm already feeling the sting just now anticipating it. sometimes we are unempathetic. i hate to hear someone say, that's what those cops get, that's what those pigs get. how can you have those percepti perceptions. >> i have friends that are police officers and friends that sell drugs and friends in the clergy. i don't want any of them to lose their life. i don't want any child my son's age for their mother or father to tell them that mommy or daddy is never coming home again. >> thank you for coming and thank you for bringing elijah. he is doing great. >> and hungry as usual. >> and adorable, which i guess doesn't change. it is a good reminder as the rest of us sometimes move on, this is something that these families will live with for the rest of their lives. >> thank you so much. >> thank you very much.

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meeting next week between police officials, activists and civil rights leaders focused on improving relations between law enforcement and the communities they serve. joining us now, congressman, joe crowley, a member of the house law enforcement caucus. always good to see you, congressman. for people who don't know. the president began this task force on 21st century policing. tell us why or if you think this is the time to try to move this forward. >> i think it is part of the answer in terms of addressing the issue of violence in our country. particularly as it pertains to the police departments around the country. here in new york with the great commissioner we have, we have been fortunate to see steps taken of new training, additional training in the wake of what took place on staten island, the gardner incident. i happen to represent the police academy here in queens. i was taking a tour of the brand new facility, state-of-the-art.

i stumbled into a role play that was take place. the federal mounties were there at the same time ensuring the type of training our police officers are getting are much more sensitive to ratcheting down and trying to deal with these issues in a different way. it is going to have a beneficial effect here in new york and around the country as well. >> what is the role of congress in this? is anything done differently? will money be apportioned differently? are there laws you think we need to look at? >> there are a number of things we can do. there is a connection of what we have been fighting for which led to the sit-in. the issue of gun violence. there are too many guns on the street. we will learn more about what the individual in dallas was thinking or not thinking, his

past record or other incidents he was involved in, which would lead to why did he have access to these weapons in the first place, a gun that put the police in a very difficult situation where he had nmore ammunition o fire power than they did initially? something needs to be done to address the issue of guns in our country. we are hoping we can have the expansion of background checks. that's a tool to help law enforcement insure that individuals out there don't have those weapons. >> i have to ask you the question that i asked one of your colleagues at the top of the hour. it didn't happen after first graders were killed in newtown. it didn't happen after one of your colleagues was shot and nearly died in arizona. it didn't happen after people who were having a christmas party in san bernardino. it gets to be talked about. nothing happens. is there something about this, what's happened over the last week, na you think could change the equation, even in this hyper partisan political time. >> i think there is.

what we saw happen in orlando, minneapolis, and louisiana, what we saw happen in dallas, there are connections to be made in some respects and this time the american people are looking for the congress to work towards solutions, not perfect solutions but to show that the congress understands that we need action. we need something to be done. i can tell you, chris, it is not going to be business as usual in washington. we saw that with the sit-in. that was an incredibly unusual event that took place. i was proud to participate in. we have seen continued action on the floor to use regular order to bring attention to the issue of gun violence in america. we are going to be doing more next week. we are not going to rest until something is done to address the issue of gun safety and gun violence in america. that's our commitment and the commitment of our caucus. >> congressman, joe crowley, thank you so much. i appreciate you coming out on a

saturday. the toll thursday's attack has taken on the african-american community in dallas after a peaceful call for change quickly became the scene of unthinkable violence.

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biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. we are back live in dallas. the shooting is very fresh. i want to go to msnbc's trumaine lee. you have the african-american community dealing with these two different issues, the events that led to the protests that happened here and the massacre, the ash bush that ended it. >> that's right, chris. i'm here on the south side of dallas. the traditional heart and soul of the black community in this city. behind me at the dr. martin luther king jr. center. they gathered here to celebrate the anniversary of the unveiling

of a statue in dr. king's likeness behind me. it was clear they had other things on their heartings and souls and mipds. how do you reckon with the idea that folks all across the country, including in this city, have been rising up against what they see as the overuse of police violence. in the same token, in an unspeakable tragedy, almost universally, how do they wrestle with the idea that five officers lost their lives? there is hope. there is prayer. so many said, there is a call for action. something more has to be done. i spoke to a few people about this very idea. let's take a listen. >> if we can build up the respect with one another, respecting the fact that your life is just as important as my life. the way you treat one person ought to be the level ground of treating all people, then when we come to that understanding, we have love. we pray for peace. we pray for love.

it has to be action, after everything is said and after all t of that, it has to be action. >> among the faithful who every single day dedicate their work and lives to trying to make this community better and whole, there is a piece missing in their heart to those killed and people killed by police. there was a mn killed not far from here. community, per usual, rose up. not much happened. how do they pivot and move forward? perhaps white americans don't recognize what's happening in these communities, don't recognize deep hurt and pain so many face every day not recognizing the true black experience.

for so many, little has changed. chris? >> little has changed. do you find any hopefulness in the feel you are talking to trymaine, that this time it might be different? >> there is some hope. in one sense, there is a degree of respect for young people who have kind of broken away from business as usual. they are standing up and making their voices heard. there is hope in the love that the community has shared with itself and other communities. we've seen in prayer vigils this week, black, white, hispanic, the clergy, people from the business community and everyday folks, really coming together to try to boost their spirits and their souls. you see people hugging officers and there seems to be this sense that together, there is the will, the courage that something can change. it is not so far out of reach. specially the young people on the front lines in these communities who have so many interactions with the police. what will change?

as we all know so well, the list of dead, young black men continues to grow. they continue to lament their loss in the community. hashtags are formed. the media, we descend on these communities for a few days and then we leave. it is not that the folks can't imagine a time that will be better. everybody has access to opportunities and people aren't dying in the streets. i was talking to a woman in the south about the deep history, the racial violence. she said, it has never not been like this. can this moment be a tipping point? can things change? >> nbc's trymaine lee, thank you so much. this week's police-involved shooting of two black men sparked protest ns more than half a dozen cities. in rochester, new york, 74 people were arrested, most of

them for disorderly conduct. in phoenix, police clashed with protesters, spraying them with pepper spray. moef most of the protests were peaceful. joining me syndicated p columnist and author, earl, lafari hutchenson. as we wrap up these two hours of where we are and where we are going, what does the last week mean to you? what are you taking away from it? >> i heard one of the commentators say, it is not doom and gloom. sometimes it takes tragedy. sometimes it takes a deep hurt. often times, people do come together. we heard and we have seen and we have clergy.

they have asked one question. where do we go from here? how can we stop this? how can we ensure there will not be another dallas or baton rouge or minnesota or some other city? i think really the answer is this. brinli bri bridging that gap. reaching along the lines, talking, understanding. i keep hearing over and over, understanding na a life is a life. whether it is a man and woman in the blue uniform, which we must respect or a young person out there that's committing no crime and unfortunately often times are in harm's way. how can we come together and get this understanding and imbed in people that a life is a life and respect that. one of the nings ththings has t out of this. tragedy, something that has been tearing communities. yet and still, people are talking across the lines.

i think personally, that's a good thing. >> i had this conversation with a well-known black leader. he said, i believe in dialogue and i believe in talking. we are talking ourselves to death and nothing changes. maybe it was because it was just hours after what had happened here. beyond talking and dialogue, how do you change hearts? >> actually, chris, i disagree with that. people say, oh, well, nothing has changed. that's not totally true. actually, two things have changed that i think we need to keep our eye on. one, we know that a lot of young people, the millennial generation, they are very aware, paying attention, getting engaged in terms of protest or the political process. dallas has a fairly good record for the police department in terms of actually getting it and

trying to really move proactivity on reforms within that department. use of force, complaints, dialoguing and changing policies. we need to see more of it. city officials need to do more leaders need to continue. they are pressing, pressing, pressing for change. i disagree we are not seeing any change, nothing stays the same. i think there is progress in other areas. the problem is making sure we keep that progress going. >> it is good to end on a hopeful note. earl ofari hutchchinson.

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