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and killed by police on tuesday night. the shooting captured on video. it was at the peaceful protest thursday night right here in dallas a short way from where we are that a shooter went on a rampage targeting law enforcement, killing five pleuros wounding another seven individuals, two civilians. tonight we know at least two of those wounded officers have been released from the hospital. it's been an emotional day here in dallas as residents have paid their respects at memorials. later tonight in washington, there will be a vigil at the national law enforcement memorial to honor the fallen officers. tonight we are learning new details about the shooter. gave gutierrez is covering that. what is the latest we know? >> we're learning more about his history while he was an army reservist. we spoke with a lawyer who says that he represented micah johnson pep says that the -- he was accused of sexual harassment, johnson was, back in 2014. back in april of 2014 while he was in afghanistan.

and he was prematurely sent home from afghanistan because of these allegations but military sources say that he was honorably discharged the following year and that he was never convicted of any criminal offense burks in those documents from those allegations, his accuser asked that she requested a protective order and wanted him to get mental help. we're learning new details about the possibility that you know, some of his history here with while he was in the army, he served a tour of duty in afghanistan. and right now, authorities are going through his digital trail. yesterday they found ballistic vests as well as ammunition and a journal detailing combat tactics in the two-story home that he shares with his mother. >> the complaintent in the case of the woman who saw the a protective order, that was while they were both deployed in afghanistan? >> yes, she was a female soldier

in afghanistan. >> that phrase was the thing that sort of linked out to me she said she wanted him to get help for mental issues. >> right. we don't know the any details of it. it wasn't detailed in the documents that the attorney read to us. we don't know anything further. we do know again that he was not dishonorably disarched or anything like that. lis attorney told us he offered a plea deal to the army but nothing ever came of that. he says it's possible he was discharged the following year, he wasn't sure, but he said that's when his service contract may have expired. >> the gun some information about what was found in the certainly, right? we know that there was a combat tactics journal. we know that there was i had heard bomb making materials. i think that's been confirmed, as well. what do we know about the duration of time this was being plotted? >> that's what eth investigators are looking at right now. neighbors say they saw him in a military uniform doing what

appeared to be tactical drills in his backyard. so or over the span of several months, you know, the question right now that investigate issues are looking at is how -- what was the progression? did this somehow -- was this something that he had been planning for a long time and really authorities haven't gone flow that so far. >> gabe, thank you so much. reaction to this tragedy has been mouring in across the country but especially here in texas. here's what governor greg abbott had to say yesterday evening. > we as a people need to move forward and live our everyday live knowing that texas is going to be greater going forward, unaltered, unaffect by this act of cowardice. second is like what we showing right this moment, we need to toe replicate this on an ongoing basis. showing that we as a state of every people of every color of every background, that we unite

behind the core principles that make the state of texas a truly exceptional state. >> joining us now dallas county judge clay jenkins. is he head of the government in dallas county. judge jenkins, thank you for your time. first i want to start out and ask how you're doing. >> i'm doing well. i was not one of the people out there risking hair lives in the street that night. but they're doing well, too. we're really feeling that support from the community. that's helping a lot. >> i thought governor abbott's comments, there's a key part there which is we've seen the ways in which moss atrocities and we've had a number you have them, be precipitate this kind of panicked fear among people. they start to second-guess their ordinary routines and start to move into kind of bunkers. and his call i think to not allow that to sort of take hold here in texas. >> absolutely. the shooter chose his course of action. now we get to choose our

response. we can't let his active hate rip us further apart. we can use this as an opportunity to bring people closer together. so what i've called on our community to do is if you're white, try to imagine what it's like to teach your middle aged children or i'm sorry, your middle school-aged children a new set of rules or a different set of rules than a white family has or an asian-american family has to teach their children. if you're not a first responder family, think about that feel of wondering if your loved one's coming home at night. if we look at this through others eyes, this is an opportunity for us to use this to draw closer together and build a stronger dallas and a stronger country. we've got to seize on that because we can't let this make us second-guess one another and second-guess the values that make us uniquely americans. >> how would you describe the sort of political dynamics of dallas county? >> dallas county is a progressive blue county in a sea of red. but it's a very diversity

county, 45% hispanic, 25% african-american, 25 percentage glow non-hispanic. it's very diversity and people get along well here statistically compared to other diversity urban areas. but there are still racial division in this county as there is everywhere in america. >> where do you see this going for this area? i mean, one of the things i've been thinking about is you have a chief of police here who personally has suffered through unpeekable tragedy in his own life. he has also stewarded reforms a model for the nation. he has faced tremendous criticism from the police you know for doing so. where does this police department now go? >> i think we have an opportunity as a police department and as first responders here in north texas to take this as an opportunity to truly engage in innovative ways with the community.

the community is very open and appreciative of the sacrifice paid by the officers. and so to seize on that and to look at ways to communicate more effectively with the community, to look at our training to see if we can train officers on deescalation as we look at new opportunities for conflict. if we can look at ways to reward officers for not arresting people but for defusing a situation. there's a host of things that we can do, and now is the time for us to seize on those opportunities and do them because i know that north texas loves these officers right now, and is backing them more than they have in a long time. we can all feel it, and it's appreciated. >> judge clay jenkins, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we want to show you the scene at the mass of healing in dallas led by bishop kevin farrell. let's listen in for a moment.

♪ knbc got an excluesive interview with dallas mayor mike rawlings. let's take a listen to that. >> other police officers that have died. you know, having five at one time is heart wrenching. but the connection with race makes it so challenging. that we've got to talk about race but we have to talk about it in a way that builds us up, that helps us get over this bridge, and that's a tough one. >> joining us now is minister dominique alexander, president and founder of next generation action network one of the organizers of the dallas protest. reverend, good to have you here. >> glad to be here.

>> how are you feeling? >> you know, it was -- we've been protesting for some time here in dallas and throughout the country. you know, never in our wildest dreams like i've said before that we'd think that you know, in our efforts to save lives will you know be this tragedy will come towards us. you know, but we've been saying for years now that the issues are issues in our country. and we've been asking people at the federal, state level and county and city to address these issues so that these issues don't peak up to it. many people have different ways that they channel hurt. and we know them and until our government addresses these issues, the sad thing is that we're going to continue to have these issues and we need to to address them. >> did friday night change anything? >> it didn't change anything because we've been saying it so

long. we've been talking about these issues and saying that they will come if we don't address these issues. people are tired of officers being able to go away and get paid vacations when they shoot us down on the ground. you can see that through the actions of protests and throughout the country. enough is enough. we're tired of these issues being not addressed. >> is that -- it's interesting you say that because this march was organized here in dallas. it was a peaceful march we should reiterate again. it was in the wake of two incidents far away, baton rouge anfal con heights, minnesota. there's been a lot of praise for dpd under the stewardship of chief brown. what is your perspective? >> i wouldn't say that. police associations and many people were calling for his resignation a couple of months. back in october, we was told that dallas police and city of dallas was at its ten-year low versus crime. next few months later, dallas need the state troopers and the

fbi to come in and help assist the murder rate. so there are many things. officers are leaving. many things that addressed from a community standpoint when it comes to community organizations addressing police brutality were never brought to the table. girl scouts of americas, boys and girls clubs are brought to the table. we're never brought to the table addressing police brutality in there community. i would not say that. i would stand up for our community in addressing these issues but i will be definitely prayerful because of the situation that he's going through right now in his department. but at the same time, that we have been addressing this issue for some time now in dallas. and dallas has a very fine way of covering up police shootings like clint allen. >> i know there's been clint allen is one and there's been a flub of incidents. after what happened on friday night, what do you say to someone, a police officer or a police officer family member who

says look, if police officers act aggressively at times or if they act jumpy or they jump to conclusions, right, this is the background context that's been forming that. right? this thought that around any corner in america, there could be someone with a gun trying to kill them. >> well, let me tell you this. regardless of the fact is that police and law enforcement volunteer to rick their lives in america. and any kind of job you have, when you know what your responsibility is and the stakes at risk of every job. i say to this, if that is not what you are willing to sacrifice, then this is the wrong contemporary path for you because the one thing that you do are -- your you're commissioning to protect and be the people just like with lieutenant dan patrick said when people were run bag can into the thing, they're a hypocrite because they wanted the police to protect them. what are you trying to establish

here in texas? are you trying to milty rise our police or to protect and be the people? they did what they were supposed to do. and no one was hurt. you know -- >> you feel they protected and served on friday night. >> they protected and served. however, at the same time, what happened that night no one, no one in our wildest dreams would have thought that happened. it's time for this community to stand together. it's time for this community to have real dialogue and real actions from that dialogue. and bring the change that is needed and not bringing out the local pastors addressing the issues that don't be in the community when these issues are brought up. >> i want you to be clear and just give you one more second. it sounds like you feel like the moment will be swept under the rug. >> yes, it's always because the people that's addressing the issue in dallas and all across the country, the activists are not listening to. they bring the people in to represent the community that's

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a fe few define all of us. the demented individual who carried out those attacks in dallas, he's no more representative of african-americans than the shooter in charleston was representative of white americans. or the shooter in orlando or san bernardino were representative of muslim americans. they don't speak for us. that's not who we are. and one of the things that gives me hope this week is actually seeing how the overwhelming majority of americans have reacted with empathy and understanding. we've seen police continue to reach out to communities that they serve all across the country and show incredible professionalism as they're protecting protesters.

we've seen activists and grassroots groups who have expressed concern about police shootings, but are also adamant in their support of the dallas police department. and so as tough, as hard, as depressing as the loss of life was this week, we've got a foundation to build on. we just have to have confidence that we can build on those better angels of our nature. >> nbc news correspondent ran allen is traveling with the president in warsaw today. ron? >> reporter: chris, can the president said been a tough week and that's why he's going back to dallas to the white house early next week. he tried to put the events in perspective for the american people saying that the people who carried out those attacks, for example, in dallas and in

baton rouge and in minneapolis aren't representative of what america is all about. this issue of policing and race has been a tough one for president obama throughout his time in office because he fundamentally believes there are biases in the criminal justice system but at the same time, he says that's not an indictment of america's police officers, as you know, law enforcement has been very critical of him for not always having their back. generally he said that race relations in the country toot are not as bad as people say they might be. he talked about how back in the '60s, there were police who were beating up peaceful protesters and that's not happening now. there were riots back then. he generally tried to keep moving the country forward through this difficult week saying that we have to just keep things in perspective and try to keep moving forward. he also raised the issue of guns, something he's going to faus a lot of pushback on, saying that in fact, guns he believes do contributor to the problem, do add to the carnage. and despite the criticism, he says he's going to continue talking about that issue.

the bottom line, the president heads back to the white house, then heads to dallas next week. and he also said he'll convene meetings at the white house next week trying to ease some of the tension between some of america's police departments and the communities that they serve. chris? >> nbc's ron allen traveling with the president in warsaw, poland. thank you. joining me now is texas congressman mark vee see and good to have you here. thank you for being here. >> thank you, chris. >> we are not in your district. your district is in dallas. >> yes, nearby. >> what are you hearing from your constituents? >> people are sad. people are really confused about why this happened. everyone that i know the constituents that i represent that i be, they have a great relationship with the police. they like the police. there are incidents from time to time that bother them. but they have a great relationship with the police and it was very disturbing for them to see this. i know that for me being a north texan native, i'm second

generation fort worth, i live maybe 30 minutes west of here at most. i know this is the saddest day that i can ever remember in north texas history. >> the president's remarks struck me as interesting because there has been so many times it appears to me over the course of his presidency when things feel like they're spinning out of control or feels panicky and the president is steadfast in always sort of being mod due hated and calm where he has this sort of optimism. do you see that as part of his role rhetorically right now. >> oh, i think that his role is definitely to calm the nation, to make sure that everyone knows that together, we can work through this and in my opinion, the president, if you look at some of the things that he has done particularly when it comes to trying to improve relations between the police and the community, he's done an outstanding job in that role and i'm glad that he's the president at this time. >> but what do you say to

someone who says, how can you say he's done an outstanding role? we're two years past what happened in ferguson and look where we are. >> if well, if you look to dallas, texas, for instance, you know, despite the tragedy that happened here which was terrible for those five law enforcement officials that lost their life, police chief david brown, he's put together some great community policing initiatives here. we've seen complaints lower by about 6 had% or so. we've seen a much more transparency under david brown and i think that dallas has been a model in many ways and for other departments to mimic around the country to really help improve communication between the black, latino community and the police departments. >> at the federal level, the president impaneled a tack force and meeting them with them again. you're a member of congress. what steps can concretely legislators take. >> i think that we really need to have a more robust justice

department farce them and the community policing initiatives that they do. just west in fort worth where i live, the fort worth police department is part of a six-city initiative that the justice department is working on right now dealing with community policing and i think that we need to more initiatives like that. of course, that costs pone. the justice department can only do so much with the money that they have. i think as members of congress, we need to to appropriate them more money so we can really do something about this because i think there's a lot of potential there and despite a lot of the negativity and conflict that you see on television oftentimes, i think that regardless of where you stand on the issue, that both sides want to see this come to an end as far as the tension that we see between the police and the community. >> congressman marc veasey, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> how the escalating use of

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great example of a department has taken the issue of police shootings seriously. and has engaged in an approach that has not only brought down their murder rates but also drastically reduced complaints around police misconduct. >> that was more of president obama's remarks from warsaw earlier today. praising the dallas police department as a model of what 21st century policing should be. in those remarks, the president announced he'll reconvene his ferguson tack force next week. it's been more than a year since that group released its recommendations. joining me now, radially balco, author of "rise of the warrior cop a militaritirization of america's police forces," and an-eugene o'donnell professor at john jay college of criminal justice. bradley, first i want to take this moment to praise your book, an exceptional book and everyone should read it. it changed my mind and opened my

eyes to a lot of things. that said, i want to play devil's advocate here. i think eugene may want to chime in, as well. when you look at what happened here on friday night, one citizen with it appears two firearms, one military style assault weapon and a handgun, carrying out the level of mayhem, death, violence and destruction. how can you say to police departments, you need to dearm, you need to get rid of your military style vehicles, you need to get rid of the kind of robot that was ultimately sent it no kill the suspect when citizens can get access to arms that would make them essentially superior in weapons to the force that they are facing? >> yeah, well, look, i don't think anybody even the harshest critics of miltirization think that police shouldn't have s.w.a.t. teams or shouldn't have bulletproof vehicles. the argument against

militaritirization is not that the stuff shouldn't exist in police departments. it's that it should be used in the appropriate circumstances. it should be used when lives are at immediate risk. when you're using violence to defuse an already violent situation. my book, most of the criticism in my book is directed at the use of this kind of gear and these kinds of tactics to for example, serve warrants on people suspected of low level drug crimes or serve even administrative warrants to do things like alcohol inspections or a raid fraternities where they suspect underage drinking to raid sort of entire communities where police expect there's relatively low level drug activity going on. so the idea that you know, a city the size of dallas, i don't think anybody would argue they shouldn't have a s.w.a.t. team or this kind of gear. that said, you know, this was a peaceful protest. the police officers were targeted because they were police officers. and that would have happened you know, the killer could have

chosen any sort of public event where there would have been a lot of police officers. it's tragic. it's all of, particularly awful because dallas is a forward thinking police department. what is the alternative? do we have cops showing up at peaceful protests in full riot gear where they sort of dehumanize themselves to the protest? we do will live in an open society. that requires a little bit of risk on our part and the part of law enforcement. so it isn't about the possession of the gear itself. it's about how it's used. it's about the mind-set that police departments and officers can sometimes get into when they use it. and just being aware of that and guarding against it. >> eugene, i'm curious to hear your response to that. >> these are real issues and the problem with -- and i don't mean to say the problem but this dialogue, when you politicize this dialogue and front load

this dialogue with answers that have to be the answers and the libertarian argument is certainly that argument that no matter what we do, the libertarian formula has to be at the end that's not a responsibility way to do public policy. you can make interesting points and carry that as far as you want. to take you back to the other night, if you joined this coverage live this was a city literally in terror. we didn't know who these people were, how many of them there are were, the scope of this and the police were in the situations they were making it up as they go along. that's the nature of the work that they do, and the nature of our country is that you have this extraordinary firepower available to anybody. this is not about legitimate gun ownership, about nra people. this is about in our country uniquely in the western word, people can get these weapons and put a city under siege. what is more terroristic than the police cannot protect themselves and therefore, they cannot protect you? and these are real life issues. and radially has made very good

and true points about penny ante drug raids. but we can't continue to have liberal democratic or conservative or ideological conversations that become just about scoring points and being good debaters. the cops have to actually protect these communities. >> right. but the question then becomes -- i mean to sort of respond using radially's point and radially, i'll get your counter. you know, part of the issue it seems to me, eugene, there's a little bit of when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. so what radley drived in his book is is departments get access to s.w.a.t. gear and surplus military equipment partly through a partnership with the federal government. there's a temptation inevitably to use that and you end up with no knock raids for a minor drug offense or administrative warrant. there is kind of, do you think that is a temptation for a department when it has access to certain kind of equipment 0 start using that equipment more

than it would necessarily need to? >> well, absolutely it will change the ethos of policing. it absolutely will. when this was debate was in full throat a couple years ago, beyond this minor argument, there lfrs an implication that there was something sinister, that the cops were up to no good, that they snuck these weapons in, that they had some conspiracy. that's what went on in the crazy parts of social media. so we have to have a responsible conversation about this and not have that kind of hysteria. but yes, yes, we don't want to have the north of ireland. we don't want to have south africa where the cops used to drive around distanced in armored vehicles. that's the last thing we want. the irony here is the police died probably some of them because they were not sufficiently protected by gear. but we've got to strike a balance and have to have a realistic conversation. and these ideological debates are not helpful when you've got to make real public policy.

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transpack partnership but were denied after establishment democrats were overruled saying such language would embarrass president obama. joining us alex seitz-wald. i was following a lot of folks who were there last night and i was up very late and i couldn't believe they were still voting at 1:00 a.m. or 2:00 a.m. central fim. >> we gavelled to the close at 1:41:00 a.m. last night or i guess this morning really. it's a bit raucous in there. there was a seven-hour delay. a lot of people were anxious, they were frustrated and then you have a section in the back that's reserved for the public. a lot of bernie sanders' supporters have slowed up, they're booing, they're walking out. they're yelling shame. so you know, all those delays are happening as negotiators are working out stuff behind the scenes and then have you 24 very colorful scene in front of the cameras, as well, chris. >> what are the big take-aways in terms of what sanders' folks have been sort of successful in

and where they have been not successful? >> so i think sanders can feel pretty good about what he's gotten so far. i mean the big win for him is obviously minimum wage yesterday but he also just a few moments ago got a win on marijuana that creates a pathway to legalization. clinton has not supported that in the past. there's language on social security expansion, wall street breaking up big banks that he wanted and also a ban of the death penalty. that's something clinton has not personally come out against. a bunch of smaller issues some of which we haven't gotten to yet. we're expecting a late night tonight on fracking and carbon tax. but overall, sanders stay maryland this race. a lot of people doubted whether he would have leverage after waiting so long not endorsing hillary clinton. but i think he proved that he did get some of his top priorities even though he failed to gett pp which was his number one priority coming in. >> political reporter alex seit

can z-wald appreciate it. joining me now, ben jealous, a bernie sanders delegate in orlando. alex just mentioned there's been some movement on some criminal justice planks in the platform. what's gone on? >> we've actually made a lot of progress here. we just had what i would call a moment when we had everybody up on the stage here. clinton supporters, bernie sanders supporters, all in unity. all voting unanimously to support real police reform language in our platform. we're talking about requiring d.o.j. or we want language requiring d.o.j. investigations for every suspicious or questionable police killing. you know, actually getting the data collection. you know that we've been fighting for, getting weapons of war out of our communities. and this was put together by

myself but also maxine waters and the clinton campaign and like the victory on the $15 minimum wage by mary kay henry a supporter of the clinton campaign, we've seen some very big issues that bernie sanders has been fighting for is both camps come together and have a great feeling of you know aught in contrast to some of the other moments we had this morning. >> it's interesting to hear you say that. i'm watching this footage. it's also striking to me, i was watching this play out with dispatches last night of just how remarkably substantive this moment is. i mean, you have people in a room, you know, arguing it out about the basics of policy, the basics of pretty gran knew lar terms about what age people might be able to buy into medicare. it seems a world away from a general election campaign thus

far that has been fair berest of that in general. >> look, what we're seeing the process here of creating consensus at the very base of the party, marijuana decriminalization, frankly, pathway to legalization was so important because at the base of our party is very important. and you know, the realities is a bunch of clinton supporters came over to you know, folks hoks have been associated with our campaign in actually pushing it through. and so our campaign has created all of this energy for all these new people into our party and we want to keep them in our party. and the way that we keep them in our party is we listen to them, respect them and make sure that the platform reflexes many of their ambitions for our country. >> ben jealous, former president naacp, a sanders supporter live in orlando for i think the second day of the platform committee meeting there. it's going to go early into the

morning. ben, i appreciate you taking the time. thanks so much. >> thank you, chris. bye now. >> we're joined by california congresswoman barbara lee, a hillary clinton supporter and a member of the platform drafting committee. congresswoman, can we start on tpp? here's how i see it. i think there is strong opposition to tpp among the base of the democratic party. i think there is strong opposition in both houses of congress. and both bernie sanders and hillary clinton are on the record opposing it. is the only reason opposition to it is not in the platform because the president of the united states supports it and at the end of the day, he's the most powerful democrat. >> >> first, chris, let me just say, believe it or not, i still haven't endorsed either secretary of state clinton nor senator sanders. i wanted to wait. >> i'm sorry, i misspoke. >> that's okay. i wanted to wait until this process in terms of helping to write the platform could come together so that i could help

bring both the clinton and the sanders people together on the very critical issues because of course, as a progressive, as a former co-chair of the progressive caucus i really want to see this platform in the direction that i think the american people can embrace. and i'm very proud of what senator sanders and secretary of state clinton have done. and then process has been very inclusive. it has heard from a variety of people and constituencies and it's going to be, i believe, a very good platform for everyone to embrace and to bring consensus between the candidates and the constituencies. there have been differences on a variety of issues. of course, the majority of labor and senator clinton agreed on a platform position on tpp. i personal liam one in congress who opposes tpp and i'm working to whip against it and not bring it up for the lame duck session. but there were many, many differences of opinion on how

this should be framed in the platform and so what was put into the platform was inspired by senator clinton and the majority of labor. but let me just say also that there are so many good provisions in this platform which your previous speaker laid out. when you talk about a platform that states very clearly abolish the death penalty, breaking up the big banks, it's a platform that really focuses on economic security and income inequality by the $15 minimum wage plank. we talked very clearly about education and making college affordable, community colleges and minority serving institutions affordable. when you look at the overall platform as it relates to women, we in the platform say women should have a right to access a full range of reproductive health services including abortions by repealing the hyde and helps amendment. so i'm very confident that we're going to move out of here with a

platform that everyone can embrace and our nominee will be able to move forward and beat donald trump in november. >> all right. congresswoman barbara lee joining us from orlando tonight. thank you very much. >> thank you. there is much, much more ahead. don't go anywhere. we will be right back.

last night, i had the opportunity to discuss this week's tragic events with homeland security secretary jeh johnson. i asked him about the shootings, and the peaceful protests that pro seeded that attack today and their impact on police departments across the country. >> in terms of what's happening now in dallas, i think it's important for us to note just as the shooter last night not representative of the movement movement to peaceably bring

about change with person police practices, police officers who engage in excessive force are not at all representative of the broader police force that serves and protects us on a daily basis across this country. that happens in communities large and small. police officers serve and protect the public. they are public safety officers sworn to possibly risk their lives at a moment's notice. and so on a day like this, it's important not to paint with a broad brush those who are seeking change through peaceful means as directing violence and hatred toward police officers, and it's important not to brand all police officers for the actions of a few. >> you head up a department that was, of course, somewhat controversially created in the wake of 9/11. it is part of your job in the

government, along with i would say the department of justice and the fbi, to protect america from terrorism. there are many people who call after various mass shootings -- charleston after dylann roof, san bernardino, orlando, dallas -- this term, what did it mean to you, was this an act of terrorism? >> well, there are many different definitions of terrorism. this was clearly an act of hate. we know that from the statements the individual made himself about the police, about white people. the investigation is still early. it's less than 24 hours old. i think we want to know a bit more about this individual's affiliations, who he may have been in contact with. we can, i think, say at this point, as you noted earlier on the show, that the individual does not appear to have any links or affiliations with any foreign terrorist organizations,

isil or al qaeda. but it's still early in the investigation and i think we want to know a lot more. law enforcement, federal, state and local, is working overtime to learn everything possible there is about this individual before we put that type of label on this particular act. that is not to say that what happened last night in dallas is any less terrible than an act of terror. but there's more to learn, i believe. >> i just mentioned having gone through the massacre in charleston by an avowed white supremacist, two mass shootings, san bernardino by people who pledged allegiance to isis, last night's murder by someone who said they wanted to kill police officers, white police officers -- >> let me say this chris. i've said this for some time now. the global terrorist threat that we face is evolving to include terror-inspired attacks.

those who self-radicalize and for their own reasons commit actions of mass violence. very often the label we choose to put on something depends solely on the motive. though the actions could be the same, the weapons could be the same, the victims could be the same. and so in that respect, it's becoming more complicated to put labels on a lot of the mass violence that we see and it reflects the evolving nature of the threat we face here in the homeland. >> this gets precisely i think to my point about your job, which is you are tasked preventing, and the fbi and many arm of the government, are tasked with preventing attacks. how can you prevent a lone individual, self-radicalizing along whichever ideology, armed with a weapon perhaps legally

obtained frrk carrying something like this out? >> chris, it's a whole of government approach. in fact, when you were conducting one of your last interviews, i saw one of my vehicles drive by in the backdrop there, one of our federal protective service vehicles. it's a whole of government approach. militarily we take the fight to terrorist organizations overseas. we're going to continue to do that. we're taking back territory, we're killing the leaders of the islamic state, those focused on external attacks. but here at home, it includes the law enforcement effort, federal, state and local. i also believe it is critical that public vigilance, public awareness, is something that we continue at. public vigilance and public awareness can and has made a difference. it's important that we continue to build bridges to various communities across this country. not just the american muslim community but a number of communities where there is somebody in their midst who may be turning toward violence. this is a whole of government

effort and we're going to keep at this. but you're correct to note that the situation and the environment has changed since the department of homeland security was created in 2003. and we've got to adjust to that and we are adjusting to it. >> that was secretary of homeland security jay johnson. msnbc's continuing coverage of the shooting in dallas will continue in just a moment. stay with us. your car got rear-ended and you needed a tow. did your 22-page insurance policy say, "great news. you're covered?" no. it said, "blah blah blah blah..." the liberty mutual app with coverage compass™ makes it easy to know what you're covered for and what you're not. liberty mutual insurance. hello welcome to holiday inn. running our own business, we've been traveling a lot. a hotel looking to help small businesses succeed is incredible. thank you. holiday inn is an extension of our team.

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