as painful as this week has been i firmly believe that america is not as divided as some is suggested. hello. i'm here at msnbc headquarters in new york. president obama capped what has been a devastating week with the

deaths of two black men and the ambush attack on police officers in texas. it was a week of unspeakful violence and outrage. there were two fay it will police shootings of the two black men, alton sterling and philando castile. the shootings left a trail of sorrow. this is alton sterling's 15-year-old son and philando's mother. >> would this is happened if the driver or passengers were white?

i don't think it would. i think this kind of racism exists. >> we cannot allow black men to continue to be slaughtered. this morning i woke up to my wife literally crying. >> this is not just a black issue. it is not just a hispanic issue. it is an american issue. >> by thursday america was a nation on edge. it was a day and night of protests with an urgent message, black lives matter. in downtown dallas a crowd estimated of more than 800 people marched through the streets. there was passion, but there was also peace in a week of us against them, black versus white the police and protesters in dallas seemed determined to get along. >> when officers asked that we with stopped for our own safety

we did so. it was a peaceful rally and peaceful protest. >> demonstrators marched peacefully, dallas police by their side. just before 9:00 p.m. as the march was ending the crack of semi automatic fire. >> all of a sudden there was gunfire. there were shots ringing out it felt like from every direction. we didn't know which way to hide or which way to go. >> we started to run and grab kids. we didn't want anybody to get hurt. >> one mother was shot and injured shielding her children from the bullets. this father and son lost each other in the crowd. >> what was the most terrifying part of it? >> the most terrifying part was us being separated and not knowing where the bullets were coming from and seeing an officer drop right in front of do you. >> as protestors ran away police

ran towards it and it became clear the shooter had police officers in his sight. >> there had to be five or six cops. they were all shot down. >> how many shooters were there? >> somebody is really armed. >> the police scanner burst into life. >> we don't know where he is at. >> in this chilling gun there he was, rifle in hand, moving the tactical military precision. by now more police had rushed to the area. s.w.a.t. gear, warnings went out, stay away from downtown. >> there are four police down. >> four? >> that's a cop. >> they witnessed what happened next. >> it's a sniper from up here somewhere. >> it's a sniper? >> no one seemed safe. one man prayed in the parking

garage. behind him the sound of sirens and more gunfire. by 10:23 there were reports of four officers shot. a few minutes later it was ten officers shot, three of them dead. the police chief said he believed there were two snipers. >> they're shooting. >> on twitter police posted a picture of this man in a camouflage shirt who was apparently carrying a long gun, possibly a rifle with a message, this is one of our suspects, please help us find him. mark hughes is seen gifg him his rifle. he was a protester who had a license to carry the weapon. after being questioned by police hughes was released. the grim numbers continued to rise. 11 officers had been shot and

police announced the death of a fourth officer. >> inside the el centro building. >> police converged on the el centro college. >> get out of the stairwell. >> something shooting at el centro college. >> everything is lock ds doed d. >> police took a fe mel into custody but a male was still at the scene. the drama switched from shooting to talking. around midnight police say they are negotiating with the alleged shooter. >> the police stated we will eventually find the ied's.

>> impro vised explosive devices. he stated he did this alone. me gauc negotiations broke down. they sent a robotic device armed with a bomb into the parking lot. >> the suspect is deceased as a result of detonating the bomb. >> with the sniper dead police turned to their own losses. in a powerful moment officers saluted their comrade outside the hospital where president kennedy was announced dead more than 50 years ago. 12 police officers were shot and five dead. as the sun rose dallas mayor mike rawlings announced the

deadliest day in law enforcement since the world trade center in 2001. >> i want to say first of all thank you to all of the emergency personnel that have worked through the night and their calm determination to make our city safe. >> the shooter identified as micah xavier johnson. he was a member of the army reserve records showed. it is hard to explain the unexplainable but chief brown sited the shooter's own word. >> he was upset about the recent police shooting. he stated he wanted to kill white people especially white officers. >> reporter: they swept downtown for bombs. nothing was found. the mayor said johnson was the lone gunman. >> i have no information about

any koe conspirators. >> there was a lot of talk. >> the past 24 hours in dallas has been a variable tale of two cities. on the one hand it's the tale of -- heroism of police officers and at the same time it's ban tale of cowardness by an asasseasasse s s -- asass sen. >> many wondering what it will take to finally stop the violence. i want to remember some of the too many lives lost to violence. alton sterling was killed in baton rouge, louisiana on thursday. he had sold cd's for years. he was remembered as a joyful

and generous man by his family. sterling's family and friends held a second-line parade in baton rouge to honor his life. philando castile was 32 years old. he was a kind gentleman who cared deeply about the children where he worked as a kitchen supervisor. phil was engaged to be married. his daughter and four-year-old were in the car when he was killed. officer thompson was 43 years old and had just married a fellow officer two weeks before he was killed. officer thompson had trained police officers in iraq and afghanistan and had been an instructor at a texas police academy before joining dart dart. he was remembered as a great officer who served admirably. pat tri zamaripa served

three tours in iraq. he had two children, a two-year-old daughter and stepson. his family remembered him as a dedicated passionate police officer. officer crowl worked for the wayne county. michael smith served with the dallas police department for 28 years and served in the army 7 years. lauren served since 2002 after spending ten years with the los angeles county police department and was remembered as a big man with a big heart. stay with us. up next we'll hear from political leaders reacting to this week of violence in america and the cofounder of black lives

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reaction continue to pour in following repeated acts of violence this week. some politicians may surprise you. >> this has been to tough week first and foremost for the families who have been killed but also for the entire american family. >> a few perpetrators of evil do not represent us. they do not control us. the blame lies at the people who committed these vicious acts and no one else. as the president rightfully said, justice will be done. we also have to let to healing be done as well. >> we are one people. we are one family. we are one house. we must learn the live together as brothers and sisters if not

we will parish as fools. >> let's start here. let's take a moment to pray for all of the families and the loved ones suffering today. >> we can begin to truly confront this. confront it by knowledging the truth that despite progress on fronts many americans feel they are treated differently because of the color of their skin. >> every american has the right to live in safety and peace. the deaths of alton sterling and philando castile make sure how much work we have to do to make sure their safety is protected. >> it is to unify us as a country. >> it is more dangerous to be black in america. it is substantially more likely to end up in a situation where

the police don't respect you and where you could easily get killed. i think some times for whites it's difficult to appreciate how real that is, how it's an every day danger. >> one of the things that gives me hope this week is actually seeing how the overwhelming majority of police have reacted. >> respect, decencies, compassion, humanity. if we lose those fundamental things, what's left? we need to take a moment here for reflection, for thought, for prayer, for justice, for action. right now let's let justice be done and also let healing occur too. >> left bloody, unconsciously police officers.

each time i would see a police officer on capitol hill or some place in louisiana or texas, in ohio, where ever, i said thank you for your service. >> janing me now is elisia garza. you just heard that monotoj of political leaders on both sides of the political spectrum. were you surprised with the exception of some people on sort of the extreme end, were you surprised at how uniformly positive most of the reaction has been after dallas? >> no. i'm not surprised. i think what i'm exsielted and happy about is that the narrative is some how a hate or terrorist greoup is a message that seems to be dwindling away.

i think majority of people understand what it is that we are up against and what it is that we a fighting for. i think the majority of people in this country understand we are not anti police but we are anti people being murdered in our communities. i think the majority of american people understand we are at a cross roads and that that cross roads is really which way are we going to go? are we going go backwards in the direction of further challenges of people being able to come together and have the things that they need for their basic human dignity or are we going to move forward and figure out solutions to some of the many challenges we face as a society. >> and black lives matter felt it important to really tweet out an explicit message saying that black lives matter stands for

peace, justice and freedom. i want to plague you with what president obama said and having to couch the black lives matter movement. take a listen. >> americans of all races and all backgrounds are likely outraged by the inexcusable attacks by police whether it's in dallas or any place else, that includes protesters. it includes family members who have grave concerns about police conduct, and they have said that this is unacceptable. there is no division there. >> do you worry ever, alicia that what happened in dallas will have a chilling effect on people's willingness to protest

over police involved violence? >> no. i don't worry it will have some kind of chilling effect. i think what the incident in dallas has done is encouraged us to look out for each other and to be one together in our fight to make sure we are able to achieve a transparent, accountable and safe mode and methodpolicing. and until we get to that point i don't think it will have a chilling effect. i do hope, though, that as we move forward that part of what we are doing is remembering that we have some issues that we need to solve and that in our grief and in this time of mourning that we also remember very clearly that we are, again, at a cross roads where we get to decide which direction this country goes in. >> and while we are there when

people who consider themselves people of the left, people of the right really are coming together for the most parent around this idea that there is a core problem that has to do with race. what would black lives matter want to see done if we have the space to get something done? what would black lives matter want to see specifically done? >> uh-huh. i think there are a range of things we would like to see done. the things i would like to highlight today is we don't want our lives to be dominated and inan dated by the criminalization that many of our families face every single day. what it has to look like is transparent and accountable policing so that the way we get there are through mechanisms like through community control of the police. the other way we get there is by making sure that our funding formulas are balanced. in the city that i'm from, 40%

of our city budget go to policing. we are having an extreme housing crisis. we are having extreme crisis in terms of employment. we need to right size how much money we are investing into law enforcement in our communities. and then the final thing i would offer here is i think it's important to make sure we are demilitarizing the police. we don't want the people protecting and serving us using weapons of mass destruction in our communities. those types are not necessary and we need other way to keep each other safe. >> as you do your advocacy do you hear from people connected to police departments who themselves want to see some of these changes? >> i do. i hear from police officers who lament about the culture of silence that there is around

some of the police violence that we are seeing around the country. i hear police officers saying that they also are really co concerned about the degrees of racism that they encounter in their own departments and i hear police officers saying they are concerned as well about the lack of services and supports for officers. and so what that then looks like is you have officers who are going into communities already trau traumati traumatized, around under the impression they are under attack. these are things i think as we come together as people who want to see the similar goal of transforming policing we can address right this minute. >> here is hoping it produces something positive. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. up next we get a historian's

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joins me now is nbc news michae michael. i want to start with as a historian how it struck you to see the events in dallas unfield given the fact that the last time dallas was in the national consciousness was the assassination of john f. kennedy. >> right. john kennedy, 1963. it seems like a lifetime and a half ago. i think about history all of the time. i think it's a good thing. i don't recommend it so civilians but i think a week like this, a terrible week, is a good time to think about the history of this country.

the united states was born exactly 240 years ago this week oddly enough. if you look at that all anyone has to be impressed by is after a week reich this to heel, unite and improve. some times after an awful week like this we come to see what lincoln called the better angels of our nature. let's hope that true. >> and you know the death of john f. kennedy that precipitated this, the two-them were grappling with the founding conone drum. it was still the central question at issue in 1964.

how did our politics deal with that fact back then when lyndon johnson was try to ing to run f president? >> he was particularly sensitive to all of the difficulties that would be brought on and all of the opportunities by the civil rights act which he signed two dais before the -- days before the 4th of july in 1964. he always said his favorite part of the bible was ie sayah where it said come and let us reason together. some times you had a horrible week like there and leaders try to exploit that and exacerbate it for themselves. we have not had that and leaders have been quite inspiring for the most part. >> and we know there were two things that sort of rez nate

with me. you did have a big move towards gun control after the kennedy assassination but you also had in 1968 all that was happening in terms of rioting and it round up playing a role in the 1968 election too. >> yes. he try today say that the rioting is an example for the need for me saying there's a big need for law and order. we are not seeing that. some times you have to be grateful for what you're not seeing. the way we dealt with a week like this is when we take a moment to absorb this and decide what to do. it was easier at the time of george washington. if you wanted to argue with george washington you have to get on your horse and go see him or write a letter.

the result was the democracy had a moment to take a breath and do this with some deliberation. one advantage that we have got is that because of our means of communication now days we can have the kind of national conversation about this that was impossible at the beginning. >> and we also can actually see in realtime some of the things that were precipitating which were incidenting of police violence. i love history because it is so s -- >> and he was saying that the situation as it then was is not acceptable and we, the demonstrators, he and the others, were making all sorts of

sacrifices to change the country. if you have to look at one theme that runs throughout the country does take a long time but it does reform in whatever way that's going to happen and you have to assume that 2016 is not an exception to that. >> and it has been striking to watch political leaders who have been at such logger heads over everything. the debate has really deteriorating in a way that is stressing to a lot of americans. something seems to be different. you are seeing the grown ups come forward. do you feel hopeful it can last or is this a momentary blip before we go back into the madness? >> i feel it can last. i can think of a lot of other campaigning when nothing like this happened but things that were threatened to divide the country did happen. you had grown ups to say hold on. let's take a look and look at

this in a larger frame work. i think that's what we are seeing and we should be grateful for that. >> and is it true you have seen them be able to see the country together? do you see that in the people that are running today? >> i do, and that's because it's in the dna of this country. through all of our problems and all of our conflicts, we have been through wars and civil wars, social crisis. some how this is something in this country that causes people to say this is a moment to unitunite but at the same time decide what to do to make things better. >> it is always a wonderful opportunity to goat taet to tal you. >> can we reset the relationship

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thursday's mass shooting came amidst but david brown had already been focusing on reform. chief brown has a personal history that gives him a unique perspective on tragedy. >>. >> we're hurting. our profession is hurting. >> in so many ways for dallas police chief david brown this tragedy is personal. >> there are no words to describe the atrocity that occurred to our city. >> at 55 years old he is chief of more than 4,000 officers. the married father is a self-described loaner in a very public job.

less than two months after he was sworn in as chief six years ago he was tested in the professional and personal way. >> it appears the shooter is going to be david brown junior. >> his own son was killed after he gunned down two people including a police officer. >> i remember sitting at the burial site and everything else was a blur. >> he has endured the death of his brother and former police partner. while some times abrasive he is known for his kindness, posting pictures on social media showing his dedication. >> we are not going to let a coward change our democracy. >> tonight when his city needs it the most he is a strong

steady voice of compassion and concern especially for his fellow officers. >> all i know is this must stop, this deviciveness between our police and our citizens. >> chief brown dedicated his whole life to one job. >> i have never been more proud of a police officer and being a part of this great noble profession. >> a department that has been put to its greatest tests, nbc news. up next, the attorney general calls for unity. switch...to the capital one venture card. with venture, you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, everywhere, every day. not just ...(dismissively) airline purchases. seriously... double miles... everywhere. what's in your wallet?

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americans across the country are feeling a feeling a helplessness and uncertainty. these are justified but the

answer is never violence. i urge you to remember, today and every day, that we are one nation. we are one people and we stand together. >> loretta lynch was one of many urnling americans to come together. for more on where we go from here i'm joined by jonathan capehart and former nypd officer. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> i spoke with alicia garza. one of the things she said that was fascinating to me is she talked to police officers who also say they want this dynamic to change. how do we get it to change? >> they don't need me to defend

them but i am going to defend them. the civil rights movement was demonized, dr. king was demon ieds. there is irresponsible kids in every group -- and this is encouraging i think and it will impact on policing, hate is really becoming totally cruel in this country. they are putting the older generation to shame. that's really important to say. a love offiest is a myth we hav bust. >> and nixon was a man who brought the little boy to the dallas protest. there were families there. let's take a listen, what he believed the protest was about. >> what really took place last

night is what has been taking place across america forever. it is hatred. it was pure hatred. until we resolve our hate issue we'll continue to see these things. >> and he had to scramble to protect his son. the hatred is this horrific mass shooting in which police were targeted. >> absolutely. what's so important is how many people have come together, activists, police officers, folks from all sectors of the community and all communities to say we actual ly are our own bet home as james baldwin once said. so much attention on how we look at transparency and accountability that continues to support effective spending. one of the things we are hearing from new york city police officers, for example, is they want community policing.

they like the fact that now they get to have sector patrols where they get to know the neighborhood, where they can understand the crimes that they see, understand better where the problems are and how to have a better relationship with the community in order to solve those problems. i think that's the kind of hope that we have and the fact that we all understand that police officers need to be able to do their jobs. there are people in black communities that want effective policing. >> and i feel like it started officially in 2015. the story goes much earlier than that obviously. are we in a bubble maybe when because dallas was so shocking when we have an agreement that it is actually trying to play a role to help police do their jobs better? >> i think so. and this horrible thing that

happen today the dallas police department is maybe the silver lining in here, is that the dallas police department was doing all of the right things, i mean all of the things that black lives matter has been demanding, dallas is doing it. we have to see that a lot of things dallas is doing is what the task force is pushing, which is what they are trying to get more police departments around the country to do, community policing, going from having the posture of soldiers to going back to having the posture of produ protecting and knowing the community they are serving. i agree with eugene. i think another thing is that the black lives matter movement is not just black people. it is all americans coming together. thankfully a lot of horrific

things that have happened have been caught on video so everyone can see what african americans have been complaining about, arguing against for generations. now every sees it. once you see it it is improbable impossible to go back. >> and it comes back to serena williams winning her 22nd grand slam saying i do have nephews and i'm thinking do i have to go them and say don't go outside. will it be the last time i see you? it goes all the way up the spectrum. it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor. it's so yhard to determine whether it's a real problem. >> is there any reasonable person that would look at this

and doubt this? just to put this into real life, in new york, eric garner, a situation which he ended up being killed. a terrible trauma for the community. i am absolutely convinced we had them in brooklyn, send one cop out there. a face to face interaction where the develop was known to eric garner, nonconfrontationally, i'm convinced this is the case. so people with thinking let's call it the way it is. what is the actual benefit to it? that's one case i think it would be ben officiaeficial.

>> and unions are there to protect the interest of their members so this might be a secondary issue to them if they want really strong police officers, bill of rights that then make transparency more difficult. how do cities navigate that divide? >> it is important to talk to all stake holders and create principals that are fundamental to change. i think the new york police department has done a great job of framing this as one city, safe and fair. that's it. we are all one. this is about all of us. we all have to align around safety and fairness as two core principals. the rest obviously gets negotiated. i want to point we have real successes over the past two years. civilian complaint review board, fewer complaints in a dramatic way from 2014. that is a positive sign. the second positive sign is we have actually seen an increase

in disciplinary actions where there have been substantiated cases. that creates trust -- because we should remember there are 36,000 police officers, not that many complaints in the number of complaints, that where they are substantiated including retraining. >> and the real jepopardy that police officers face, not only the jeopardy of those who may have some paranoid view of police but we know that police are outgunned by some of the citizens. >> yes. and that gets to the larger conversation about gun control and how the citizens are able to outgun the police, how it is possible that a man man with a

gun or a mad person with a gun could put the community in danger but the very people who are there to protect the community. there are several conversations that need to be had. there needs to be the societal conversation and then there's the conversation about how is it possible that people who might have mental problems, might have hatred in general, how are they able to so easily get the fire power to not only wreak havoc on the community and officers. >> and it does some times feel like some times whether we are having the gun control conversation or policing but maybe some times not all of the political sides at that table, how do we invade tinvite the

police community to the table? >> we have to have a look at what they live with. it is complex. you have to have that conversation or you lose them and you'll have to convince them that the answer to absurd extremists hate dialogue. coming outside you should say keep it out of our agency and for people who say crazy things like the president is an islamic terrorist, that's insane. there's a cost for people who say crazy things. we have to say wait a minute. that's crazy. no simple solutions. i do think that it has to be addressed realistically. >> and jonathan said it. you can't understand some of the shootings we have seen, particularly dallas, that we have not identified in from venting mental health issues. police officers like teachers are actually dealing with the

front lines of societal problems. we as a society need to understand and address in order to support more effective communities. it will support police officers that will support teachers. it will support safety and prevent people from getting to the point they are getting involved in the criminal justice system because of mental health issues. $850 is what they have put on the table to address this because it is a fundamental foundational issue. people of color in particular, less likely to get the services they need when they need them. >> and i'm wondering if for the officers who have to go on in this department and do their jobs with the psychological torment and at the same time the families of people like philando castile, are we missing that

piece of the conversation for police officers and civilians? >> yes. >> i would say that the issue is to remind them why most of them took the job. they know if they look hard they are respected deep down. if they show respect in my experience it tells you if you show any respect you get respect back. there is a fundamental wellspring potentially for creating a high level of interaction with the cops that's positive. >> and somebody who is going go on and write columns about this, do you feel somewhat hopeful where we are going? >> i am 51% hopeful because i am always hopeful. i am hopeful because the people that were out protesting, the police-involved shootings, it wasn't just black people who were out protesting. it was america out protesting in

cities across the country. if we are going to move forward it's that coalition that will make it happen. >> thank you very much for being here. thanks to you at home for staying with us. please stay with msnbc for all of the latest news and investigation. chris picks up our investigation after the break. ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for up to 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash. ♪

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