million kids are covered. that's the kind of leader she is. and the kind of president she'll be. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. divided, a week that began with a week that began with the the shooting of two african american police officers. >> i wanted everybody in the world to see what the police do. >> -- ends this way. with the killing of five police officers at a black lives matter rally in dallas. >> the suspect stated he wanted to kill white people. especially white officers. >> and sparks protests across the country. >> black lives matter, black lives matter. >> from policing to politics, the country seems increasingly divided. this sunday morning i'll talk to the head of homeland security. two top cops try to change the way police do their job and two

top snenator a republican and a democrat. how can our divisive candidates heal this nation and joining me for insight and analysis are junior colle eugene robinson, michael eric dyson. mary madeline. and michael gerson. welcome to sunday and a special edition of "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is meet the press with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. as the too early to start making comparisons to 1968 but surely we have just through one of those tumultuous weeks that have will stand out in history. telling the story of a nice divided and at times it feels as if we are at war with itself. the shooting of two african american men by police officers and the subsequent attack on police in dallas sparked protests in cities across the

country this week. most of them peaceful but there were some tense confrontations. last night in st. paul, minnesota protesters clashed with police, injuring two of them as marchers pushed pass troopers and closed a freeway. this has exposed racial divisions in the u.s. and at a time with growing divisions overall with americans becoming more tribal, separated by incomes, region, and of course by race. and all this featuring two candidates who themselves are devicive and may be uniquely unsuited to heal the country's wounds. the images are burned into the consciousness of a nashs already polarized about race and police. alten sterling killed.

philando kas castile. 12 police officers shot and five killed at the protest in dallas. >> all i know is this must stop this, divisiveness between our police and citizens. >> not since the summer of the 60 and -- searching for leadership and cynical about the answers its leaders can provide. as painful as this week has been, i firmly believe that america is not as divided as some have suggested. >> almost eight years after barack obama's election as the nation's first black president, more than four in 10 african americans are doubtful that the country will ever achieve racial

equality. >> you must learn to live together as brothers and sisters. if not we will perish as fools. >> the blame game also beginning. >> of all the protesters last night they ran the other way expecting the men and women in blue to turn around and protect them. what hypocrites. >> and at a time of widening political divisions, instead of presenting solutions to the national hopelessness, the presidential campaign is intensifying it. the 2016 nominees both canceled political events on friday. struck quieter tones and called for change. >> we know there is something wrong with our country. there is too much violence. too much hate. too much senseless killing. >> our children deserve a better future than what we are making them live through today. >> but can either of these candidates among the least

popular, most device somehow heal a nation searching for unity. >>. gentlemen. welcome pack to meet the press for both of you. >> thanks for having us. >> secretary johnson. let me start with you. and i want to start with a very broad question and that is the concern many americans have about the state of race relations in the country. i want to put up some survey data essentially starting in march of '14. 17% said there was a great deal of worry about race relations. two years later in march of '16 the number has doubled. definitely you can see a ferguson effect starting from there. secretary johnson how concerned are you about race relations? >> well, i am concerned, chuck. and i think at a time like this, when tensions are high in the wake of events in dallas and baton rouge and minnesota and

elsewhere, it is important to remember that just as the shooter on thursday night was not reflective of the broader movement to bring about change in police practices, any police officer who engages in excessive force is not representative of the larger law enforcement community. which with increasing frequency reflects the community at slarj and it is important to emphasize at a time like this -- and this is why we're together this morning, that violence never solves anything. eye for an eye leaves everybody blind and at this point we need to stand with our law enforcement community, with our peace officers because they are there to serve and protect the community. >> commissioner bratton let me ask you the tackle this a another way. lot of blame game going around about dallas. we had a milwaukee county sheriff who says while the president didn't cause this he believes he fueled the anger

that was behind the shooting. and i want to play this comment. here it is. >> it is a war on cops and the obama administration is the neville chamberlain of this water. >> what you do say to that commissioner brat zbrn the two individuals you just referenced have been very outspoken on this issue. as i look it a. policing has always had issues of concern relative to officer safety. something you spend a lot of time on and equipping them and developing collaboration with the community. policing in america, policing in a democracy is a shared responsibility. we have to see each other, hear each other and learn from each other. in moving forward as we've attempted to do in new york since the murder of our two officers in december 2014 is to try to bridge that dialogue, bridge the gap, close the gap.

everybody's opinion, everybody's voice needs to be heard. but having done that and doing that we then need to try to find common ground and the secretary and i are committed at the national level trying to find common ground so we can all get onto the same set of issues and same understands and move forward. >> do you agree secretary johnson with what governor dayton in minnesota had said that if flan doe casteel had been white he'd be alive today? . i want to resist labels lake that that may be premature. i think we ought to let the investigation play itself out. there ought to be something that's fairly swift, transparent and if necessary accountability. >> commissioner bratton. i want to say something that

former mayor rudy giuliani said about the black lives matter movement and get your reaction on the other side. >> i think the reason there is a target on police officers backs is because of groups like black lives matter. that make it seem like all police are against blacks. they are not. they are the ones saving black lives. black lives matter is not saving any black lives. it is the police officers who are doing it. >> i want you both to tackle this question. rudy giuliani is a well-respected voice on the right. black lives matter has become an important voice to many african americans in this country. and is there any way of bridging that divide and that view? obviously mayor giuliani had a hardened view about this. commissioner bratton you first and then secretary johnson. >> all the reality of the black lives matter movement is significantly focused. primarily focused on police and their efforts to portray police and the police profession in a

very negative way, which is unfortunate. there are no denying within the police profession, 800,000 of us that we have racists. we have brutal people. we have criminals. cops who shouldn't be here. but they do not represent the vast majority of american police who every day as exhibited in dallas the other evening put their lives on the line for black, for whites, for everybody. so in terms of some of the comments made by the mayor, appropriate in the sense of the intent and goal of black lives matter. every life matters to american police. and the issue of race issues in this country is historic. it is the wound that's not yet healed and hopefully through all the challenges we are now facing we will find ways to not only heal but move forward. >> chuck, i know rudy giuliani well. he hired me as a federal prosecutor in 1988. i think it is time that we dial back the overheated rhetoric. and we come together. which is in commissioner bratton

and i are here this morning. we come together to mourn the loss of these police officers in dallas, these brave heros, to heal, to build bridges and let's all dial back the overheated political rhetoric and work on building and rebuilding our community and public safety. >> and commissioner bratton, can you clear up this donald trump situation from friday? he asked you to address the role call. what was the actual request? >> very specifically one of his security personnel, former nypd personnel reached out to our department about the potential for the -- mr. trump to address a role call. we turned down that request. we don't allow the department to be politicized. and in as much as he engaged in a political campaign that would be a politicizing of the department. i had a conversation with mr. trump as well as mrs. clinton later in the day that day at their request. both of them called me to

discuss new york specifically as well as the dallas situation. very productive conversations but it's been overplayed in some respects in the media. we don't allow the department to be used, if you will, as a backdrop for those types of campaigns. >> secretary johnson before i let you go, i know you have a son. have you ever had this -- the talk that many african american fathers have to have with their second do sons? >> yes. and i think i'll leave it there. yes. >> fair enough. >> i don't have to leave it there. i've had conversations with my son is now 45 about -- as a police officer about the importance of compliance. the wonderful article today in new york post about the difficult being a black skpifr a black father. and about the idea of compliance. whether white or black, when a police officer confronts you, compliance is the best way to deal with that situation.

the shared responsibility. the officer enforcing the law. the citizen responding to the officer in appropriate fashion. >> commissioner bratton, secretary johnson. i'll leave it there. tough week. thanks for coming on. >> thanks chuck. >> thank you. well in 2014 in the wake of ferguson and killing of michael brown. president obama creates a task force with the goal of helping police interact with their communities. chi chief ramsey welcome back to meet the press. let's me start with the task force, which you are heading up. in the wake of baton rouge and st. paul a lot of people are wondering have we made i any progress? is this two steps forward and one step back or two steps back

and no o steps forward. >> a lot of times it seems like two steps forward and one back. but we have to continue to move forward. absolutely i think the report is a good road map for the future. but we cannot expect there won't be some stumbling blocks along the way. we're going to have issues that are going to arise but by have to keep pushing forward if we really want to see the kind of change to bring these two sides together. >> statistically the washington post did a big expose on where we were in particular on the issue of deaths caused by police. essentially more people have been shot and killed by police so far this year than last year at this point in time. and more police officers have been killed in the line of dudith duty this year than last year at this point this time. this feels a bit overwhelming i think to people. >> well yeah. but i think you have to keep everything in context. we do have some rising crime rates and let's face it. we have on average about 13,000

murders in the united states every year. these are not shootings by police. these are people killing people. there is a disproportionate amount of it going on in many of our more challenged community. who do you think goes after the people responsible for these crimes? it is the cops and we encounter a lot of dangerous people out there on the street. we can look at numbers in a variety of ways. but i think we need to keep it in context that police officers have a very challenging and often dangerous job. that is not to say that we should not be mindful of the fact that we have some officers who use excessive force. who shot people when it is not totally justified. we have have to really address that and hold them accountable. but it is not reflection of the department and policing at large. >> direct comey of the fbi who obviously was in the news for other reasons earlier this week. he has said a couple of times the he's concerned there's been an impact on police officers, that they are somehow more hesitant. he's worried. he has no data to prove it. but he's worried that there is

an impact. the rise in the homicide rate this year is somehow related. are you at all concerned about that? >> yeah i'm concerned about it. i don't know and there is no data right now as the director said to really show it. but police officers are human beings. and i mean, when you are being attacked like that or at least perceived of being attacked it does create some issues and some problems. but i think that we all need to recognize that there are some changes that need to be made. we can't look at it from a defensive posture. how do we move forward and create a environment where we are on the same page. there is only one issue and that is creating safe neighborhoods but also where the people in it have a sense and feeling of justice and fairness as the law is being applied. and i think that is really what people are asking for. does visit an impact? yeah. i think it does. but we've got to move forward from it. >> is there a different challenge here by the way between what we're seeing and the way big city police

departments i think have been a little more proactive in making the changes necessary. but suburban police departments, where frankly we've seen a lot of these negative interactions between police and african americans have actually taken place in smaller suburban departments. is there a -- is there a discrepancy between training? is there a discrepancy between resources here? between smaller police departments and larger ones? >> well i mean you raise a great issue. there are approximately 18,000 departments in the united states. in my opinion far too many and we need to look at a long-term goal of more regionalization. better training more consistence and policy and procedures. in your larger cities, where you have a lot of diversity, obviously you have officers that are very accustomed to dealing with a variety of people. we still have parts in our country where that is not the case. we need to bring people together but we need more consistency in terms of the training that is

provided, the selection and hiring of individuals. all of those kind of things need to happen. but in my opinion we have too many police departments. i would try and cut the number in half maybe by the next ten years oob or so. you are always going to have this kind of issues as long as you have this many departments with different policies, procedure, training and the like. >> earlier interview this week you said the issue of the fact that all of this now gets many people videotaped, these interactions. you called it a powder keg. we're sitting on a powder keg. explain. >> well we are sitting on a powder keg. you can call it a powder keg. you can say that we're handling nitroglycerin. but when you just look at what's going on, we are in a very very critical point of this history of this country and i think you have two conventions coming up that are going to be very very challenging to handle and i don't think they are going to go without some incident taking place. it is unfortunate but that is what i personally think.

i hope that is not the case. but you have got too many people who are now with this extreme rhetoric and that is just not good for anybody. we need to come together. we need thoughtful people to sit down and engage in dialogue but actually come up with solutions, not just finger pointsing and playing the blame game. that is not helpful to anybody at all. but it is a very, very volatile time that we're in right now. >> chief ramsey, appreciate you coming on. it's been a tough week. >> thank you. >> so i appreciate you sharing your views. >> thank you. >> on friday, president obama ordered flags to be lowered to half staff to honor the victims in dallas. this is the 67th time that president obama has made such an order. it is machine than any other president in history. it's the little things in life that make me smile. spending the day with my niece. i don't use super poligrip for hold, because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well fitting dentures let in food particles. just a few dabs of super poligrip free

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no justice. >> no peace. welcome back. our panel is here. michael gerson, former speech writer for george w. bush. michael eric dyson. long time republican strategist mary madeline. and eugene robinson. we got all the accolades out. michael, let me start with you. you perhaps wrote the most provocative piece of the week perhaps of everybody here at the table not to say that everybody

isn't provocative in their own ways and yours was addressed tot the white community as the hole. >> look. it is an approach. it is an understanding. but imagine what we feel when we are addressed as black america. i was pleading really with white brothers and sisters to understand the difficulty, the circumstances that we confront. the extraordinary assault upon black life. the repudiation of any sense of civility when it comes to the interactions between police forces, which most african american people regard with respect and authority. be but who is authority has spilled over into terrorizing impulses and impacts on american culture and i wanted to talk about the vulnerability we feel. even when you were interviewing chief bratton a remarkable man to be sure but he wanted to draw a false equivalence between talking to his son and chief

johnson's son. chief johnson hesitate to weigh in and i son. there is not an equivalence of chief bratton speaking to his son because his son is less likely to be brutalized be by -- and i wanted to express myself to the every day america that i teach at georgetown university. >> leon wolf writes. the most important safety valve to prevent violence like we saw in dallas last night is the belief that when officers do go off the rails the legal system will punish them accordingly. if the community believes that the resort to reprisal killings will be far less frequent. >> i saw that piece and after my jaw came off the floor i was actually encouraged. i was encouraged by that. i was also encouraged by a somewhat lukewarm statement that came out from the national rifle association about the minnesota shooting which essentially

questioned whether philando castile was killed for exercising his second amendment right to keep and bear arms. and it is interesting that there are conservatives who are kind of getting it. who are understanding this idea of equal protection. but i have to say as michael said. this is personal. i'm a father of two sons. and they are often guilty of their -- they are young black men. they are often guilty of driving while black, walking while black. standing while black. so this is a very personal concern. >> mary. >> you don't like to be lumped together. conservatives don't like to be lumped together and a lot of conservatives do get it particularly those in that live in minority, majority cities and i'm all about leon wolf. hooesz my go to guy. and he's consistent in sayinsay if you read the whole column t problem here is coming to the truth. it is not -- and the truth is not all cops are racist.

and the truth is not all cops are always right. the truth is your former panelist said and the statistics show is somewhere in between. that is what leon is saying and that is what people of good faith believe. and if you leave in new orleans or any city like that, we have faced this. and we have reformed and we have corrected it. but i want to go to your point too. it is true that children -- i'm what, 63, i'm older than all you guys. i was raised to respect police officers. black friends of mine whose parents were raised in the same era were taught to fear them because that was the legacy of policecrowe. of course we have to understand that. but then in turn -- and here is what e we've done in new orleans. black people, our african american brothers and sisters and neighbors understand their first line of protection in those neighborhoods are the police. >> absolutely. no one understands that more.

>> no one understands that more than people who live in poor and crime filled communitied. >> exactly. look at philando castile. he's announcing look i have a gun. let me tell you exactly what i have. and he's still by obeying the law lost his life. this is the very pulverizing and brutalizing vulnerability that we feel that we are trying to express to white americans who love and appreciate justice. do you understand how difficult that is. >> i understand the fear. i understand the legacy but do you honestly believe out of the three million interactions with police, with people of all colors. that every one of these instances that police go out and say i'm going to brutalize a black man? >> of course not. that is -- it is if consequence and you are making my point for me even better. it is an unconscious, if you will inclination to see that black person differently through a different prism, to have

greater fear. the police, the cop on the front line feels a kind of intensity that he does not feel -- let me give you an example. on the internet right now is a white guy going ham, crazy, beating u. striking out with a machete and the white police allow him to leave the door of the establishment and people day block the doors and these are two cops who could have killed him. do you think an african american person wielding a machete would have been granted that? >> i think our biggest need is empathy across divisions. that allows people to be unified. and empathy is most effective when you apply it to your own community. so it is powerful when black lives matters empathizes with the role of police officers. it is powerful when people in the white community understand that minorities experience our

justice system different than we do and in ways that we would not tolerate. i think that is the biggest need right now. >> and -- just. >> and the cruellest irony of what happened last week is that sort of empathy was happening in dallas. >> it was. >> of all police departments. >> of all police departments. david brown has done a fabs job in dallas. complaints of excessive violence on part of officers are down by 2/3 since he took over in 2010. police shootings went down from 23 in 2012 to one this year. and you saw the ease with which the black lives matters protesters and the police co-existed inial this loon take. >> and they were defending the right of those african american people. i spoke with the police league in dallas and those people are remarkable. and let me tell you something they don't want to hear.

as black police they say too, when i'm out of uniform i have fear. and when i'm not involved directly and people can't identify me as a cop i have fear. this is a real thing that we have to confront. >> professor, we got that point, i want to speak to mike's point. >> empathy with justice. it is not just getting it. >> let's talk the aftermath of baton rouge. both my daughters are there. my husband's entire family is there. that city came together, black and white, holding vigil, praying and singing and not erupting. that is where the rhetoric departme departs from the empathy on the ground. >> i want to fauz the conversation. we'll continue it. we have more time too con it. let me tauz it. because i got to sneak a commercial break. can a divided washington heal a divided nation? i'm going to talk to two senators, both former mayors who

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welcome back. >> "take the capitol". welcome back. the countries divisions are reflected in where we work, worship and how we vote. and democrats and republicans find it increasingly difficult to agree on just about anything. joining us now are two senators both of whom were mayors. and i should point out in a small sign of unity this is the first time in nearly two years we here have gotten a democratic and republican senator to agree to appear together. senators, thank you to both of you. senator corker, you tweeted this on friday. our country has been shaken by senseless violence this week and i'm horrified by the tragedy that unfolded over night in

dallas. >> obviously the sentiment a lot of people share. how much outrage needs to be expressed before we feel like we can start doing something about this? >> well look, i -- we are doing something about it. i mean i thought the response in dallas was the kind of response that needs to take place. this is mostly a local issue. and individual mayors and police chiefs and others respond in an appropriate way. as mayor, one of the things i knew and i'm sure corey knew the same thing. that when the morale at a police department is low, when people don't feel supported in police department, folks are being hurt unnecessarily. look, it is the number one responsibility that we have is to keep our citizens safe and secure to make sure that they are professionalized. but the fact is it is a break down in society when things like what happened in dallas where this moral depravity of this

individual took the lives of people who are protecting folks, who were demonstrating peacefully. that is something that all of us should cry out about and show support for these men and women in uniform that do what they do on a daily basis but in most cases feel like they are under assault from the public. and when someone acts out inappropriately it hurts them too. they want to see the legal process works when that breaks down but most lie these are selfless people who are protecting our citizens and that is what we a ugt to be talking about is their greatness. there are flaws that exist but their greatness. what they do on our behalf. >> senator booker you heard obviously senator corker there. and he also said this is a local issue. do you think there is -- is there a federal government role

here? when you were mayor, look the federal government you had a very challenging police department, that had a challenging history to it. in newark. what role would -- did you want the federal government to play then? and what role should the federal government be playing now. >> >> well first of all with e have 18,000 police departments in our count are and many of them are significantly underresourced. there are as few groups i've ever seen in america that show the daily courage, especially urban police officers where there is a lot of gun violence. we have officers dying every single year on duty and we should be doing a lot more as a nation to support those officers and programs that have come from the federal government in the past have supported our local officers. and now at a time when we know that there is ways not only to protect our officers, that we need to be doing more of, and affirming the fact that they are doing very dangerous jobs. that when officers leave their families, those families fear

for their safety and pray for their return. we also know that there is a challenge with america. where we have invested unfortunately is in a war on drugs which has been profoundly painful to our nation with a 500% increase in incarceration in our country disproportionately effecting poor and disprofktly affecting minorities. african americans have no difference in using drugs but are three times more likely to be arrested. we now officers with training can address issues that even people like the head of the fbi director comey talked passionately about the need for the country to address implicit racial bias. so we need to invest in the local departments do a lot of things that some departments are doing. that are deescalating situations and addressing the racial bias that exists in our country. >> let me go to the larger hiesh

r issue here that i'm concerned about. which is is this presidential campaign and are these two candidates suited to meet the moment necessary? senator corker, you know the rhetoric on the campaign trail has been twicive. how does donald trump make the case he can unify the country? and then i'll ask senator booker to make the case on the other side. >> look, i think both of the candidate, their challenge over the coming weeks is to show that they can do that. i think there is going to be a sincere effort within the trump campaign to do so. my guess is the same thing will be happening in the clinton campaign. there is no question. put this campaign aside. the conversation in america has been way divisional. it's not been appropriate. it's been that way for some time. and it adds to this.

but let's get back to it, again. you know, the mayor of a city is where most of this occurs. and i'm not in any way criticizing what happened in dallas but it is those local efforts that actually bring people together. no doubt the discourse and no doubt the videos people can see. no doubt those things effect things throughout our country. but i hope that both of these candidates will rise to the occasion. and on this particular issue, bring people together. millennials. millennials in our country today probably are more embracing of diversity than any generation we've had. and it is my hope again after this tremendous crisis that's occurred, this tragedy, that our country will focus more oniunio and not division. >> can hillary clinton be a president that helps with racial

reconciliation in better way than president obama? >> let me just say this. we have to all understand we have a country with deep reservoirs of love. we are good people. we are well intentioned people and when called upon we rise to an occasion. this is such an occasion. and i'm going to be very blunt. i've watched in pain when i see a presidential candidate. all of our words matter. whether you are a citizen or a presidential candidate, words matter and this is a time where we need courageous empathy. we need undeterred love. and when i hear a presidential candidate like donald trump gratuitously demeaning women, demeaning muslims. demeaning latinos at a time where our country needs reconciliation. we need people that bind our wounds and build bridges across our chasms. to see someone so callously stoking hate and fear and inflaming divide, this is not the person to be president of the united states i believe ever. but definitely not at time that

we need a healer, a reconciler. and someone to remind us as a nation our differences matter but -- >> senator booker i understand you made the case against mr. trump but how does hillary clinton who's almost as polarizing and divisive how does she make the case that she's the candidate for reconciliation. >> i patently disagree with you on issues of race and diversity that she is if anything polarizing. if anything i've watched her in black communities and white communities and even after this tragedy put forth the spirit of america which is an understanding that as our founders said in the declaration of independence, this is a time we need to mutually pledge to each other our live, our fortunes and our sacred honor. she can build our bridges and far more than the alternative. someone who is eninjecting more divisiveness through his rhetoric and refusal to even

denounce patent racists. >> senator, thank you for coming on together. hopefully we can make this a habit again on meet the press. coming up. how will the this tumultuous week going to effect the presidential race and is this a week we're going to learn donald trump's running mate? ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink

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welcome welcome back. we noted hillary clinton had this to say on friday to my colleague lester holt after a grim week of racially charged shootings. >> here is i what i believe. i believe we need national conversation and we start showing respect to one another. seeing each other, walking in each other's shoes. >> we thought the call for a conversation about race sounded familiar so we looked at some

old video and discovered democrats in particular have been talking about this idea for a long time. let's look back starting with president obama after ferguson. >> what we need is a sustained conversation in which in each region of the country people are talking about this honestly and then can move forward in a constructive fashion. >> over the coming year i want to lead the american people in a great and unprecedented conversation about race. >> ask yourself, when was the last time you had a conversation about race with someone of a different race? >> that was probably the most proefktive of all of them. clearly there been a lot of talk about talking but a lot of us are wondering why more hasn't been done and we'll talk about what all of this means for the 2016 campaign. anything meant to stand needs a stable foundation.

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back now with the panel. i want to pivot the conversation and michael you had a provocative column this week, too, on the fact essentially we're in this moment with two nominees that may be uniquely

unfit to meet at the moment. >> you would think political parties want to pick popular candidates. there are elements in our politics, not these two people necessarily that may be one. elements are politics that want respects of our politics that want to feed just enough anger. just enough resentment but not over into violence and that is the most dangerous game you can possibly play in politics. we have a republican nominee who rose to prominence by criticizing the other. creating fear of the other. we have a conservative media in parts right now that has a white identity message. and that -- all of this is deeply destructive. it is not the kind of leadership we need. >> i think that's --. you know what he said about trump. but also the situation as you said is that half the country just tunes out when hillary

clinton speaks. the other half -- >> and the other half tunes out. >> -- when donald trump speaks. maybe more than half. so that is not conducive to a national conversation about race. although frankly i've always may noted this is h-- maintained th we have our national conversation about race. not the way we are at this table. but something happen, we yell and scream and argue and get scratc scratchy. >> that is the way we do it. >> top stop. everything isn't about race. or everything suspect about the economy. which effects every race, every gender every orientation the same. donald trump did not come out of the head of zeus. okay? the party created him by being unresponsive to the party's demands and the successive tsunami midterms which wanted to have some sort of reform repeal of obamacare. wanted to reduce the overreach of government. wanted a more robust economic

recovery. wanted cessation of the intrusion into their life by all of these regulations. that is what's going on in every community out there and donald trump is just riding that wave. and you are not wrong about their being -- but their rhetoric, of both of them is detached. that is not how people live. >> the whole political strategy of getting out the white vote is morally problematic and very dangerous in our country. and that is where our politics is headed. >> so it is about race. hold on hold on it is not about race. it is just not only blackness. the also whiteness. whiteness is at stake. and donald trump i think has in a beguiling way seduced many working class people into believing that he will be their defend asker when he is not. and speaking to the vicious undercurrent of racism in this country but also bring together

various stitchconstituencies. >> that's what's important. >> it goes back to what senator booker was trying to get at. she's doing all of these things but the country is going to tune her out. the whole point is unity is can you get 10% of the other side to listen to you. >> we'll have to see. elections are choices. so we're going to have presumably these two candidates unless something crazy happens in cleveland. we'll have hillary clinton and donald trump. and people will then be making choices and they will choose who to listen to. and there will be occasions when people don't have a choice. turn off the tv but the two will be standing there debating. i do believe that there is a very good chance that hillary clinton's message will indeed get through better than donald trump's. >> very quickly, michael erik days dyson.

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back now with end game. we are going to have a running mate picked this week. it appears to be for donald trump down mike pence, newt gingrich. maybe chris christie. maybe former general michael flynn. michael gerson do you have an opinion? >> well i think it is an important choice for him. he could do someone whose like a general flynn whose an outsider and to reinforce his message that he's outside of the boundaries of the politics or he could try to please cruz voters who are real in the republican party on the conservative side. that will determine the nature of his sprint down to the election. >> as a cruz voter who would please us more is not a person but a pronouncement and a conviction to constitutional principles. i like the idea of flynn. i like the whole outsider thing because the insiders are going to come inside because they want to stay inside.

i think newt would hate it. it is a gritty hard thankless job that is not his scene. and pence pay or may not speak to the cruz voters but it doesn't matter the policy are not constitutional policies, which so far the donald has not been -- has not been shown the courage of his convictions on the supreme court and issues like that that drive those voters. >> another thing on newt this week did a facebook live with -- >> very sort of measured. thoughtful -- >> and said something you don't hear often from white politicians, which is it is different to be black in america. >> it is different to be black in america. newt gingrich a very smart nman. i tend to think he would just be bored to tears. >> he could do all the civil war paraphernalia and all that in his own office. >> -- really does have a lot of

ideas -- >> -- accentuate the fact that he had something very brave and courageous in the midst of the heated battle. and it is an important point that only people who listen to newt gingrich will hear and it is important for him to say that. that is a form of unity as well to acknowledge a particular kind of privilege. a particular sort of perspective and saying the only way we can come together is to acknowledge all of that. >> i only have a few seconds left. i just want to thank you you guys. it was spirited and more importantly friendly. how about that. >> [ laughter ] >> well a little unity and levity in a rough week like this is necessary. we'll be back next week from the republican national convention, a week from tomorrow the republican convention begins in cleveland. so if it is sunday and it is the convention it's "meet the press."

good sunday. i'm chris janising live in dallas. we're learning more about the suspect in dallas's deadly shooting. and helping the healing. president obama wrapping up his trip to europe, cutting his visit to spain short in the wake of this past tragedy. he'll travel to dallas on tuesday. the president met with u.s. troops in spain a few hours ago. earlier in the day he spoke of thursday night's shooting. >> whenever those of who are concerned about fairness in the criminal justice system