that wraps us up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. coming up right now, more news with chris jansing live, in dallas, texas. stephanie, thank you. and good morning from dallas. we're expecting an update from police on the investigation into thursday's deadly shooting ambush. in just about an hour. now, let me set the scene. because where i'm sitting is just a few blocks from where five police officers were gunned down, and just this morning, we're learning more people were injured than we originally learned. now, you can see that there's traffic on the streets, many of the streets here downtown have reopened. people going back to work. but at the same time, funerals are being announced this morning. and we also have new information on the shooter. from everything we now know, this massacre could have been much worse. over the weekend, a cache of weapons, including bomb-making materials, were found at micah

johnson's home. the fbi and local police also uncovered his personal journal that suggests he had been practicing controlled debt nations. david brown says the materials could have had devastating effects all throughout the north texas area. and this morning, investigators still not completely ruling out the possibility someone else or others may have been involved in planning the massacre. president obama, meantime, is back in the u.s. after cutting short his trip to europe. the president, vice president biden and former president george w. bush, a texas native and former governor, will speak at an interfaith service tomorrow. meantime, hundreds of demonstrators were arrested in protests across the country over the weekend. in memphis, black lives matter protests shut down an overpass blocking traffic for much of the night. at the same time, in baton rouge, police clashed with protesters wearing gas masks. all of it in response to those back-to-back killings of two

black men at the hands of police. the renewed national debate on race, class and justice reaching a tipping point. nbc's tammy leitner is here in dallas, outside police headquarters. and tammy, i understand you have some late-breaking news, both on the conditions and some of the victims and also that more people were injured than we originally knew. >> reporter: yeah, chris. i can tell you, we just got some information on the injured dallas police officers, just a few minutes ago. we got an update that most of their wounds were superficial. they're all out of the hospital, at home recovering with their families. we're told one had an injury to a handled, shot in the hand, shot in the leg. so it's unclear if they actually suffered bullet wounds or a lot of times in these situations, it could be fragments from bullets when this many bullets are flying. but what we know, they're all home with superficial wounds, recovering with their families.

>> reporter: and i also understand there were two more people who were actually security officers, i guess, at the local community college who also suffered some wounds. one will need surgery. one not. and in the meantime, just looking behind you, people continue to pour into that area of the dallas police headquarters, because you can barely see the patrol cars, if at all underneath the flowers and all the tributes. >> reporter: yeah, chris. when they started this memorial, there were two police cars, and they had nothing on them. and now you can hardly see the police cars. they're covered with notes, with flowers, with signs. the entire community has come out to really show their support. police officers have been coming out of policeeadquarters all day. you see some of them, you know, talk to fellow officers, others just kind of bow their head in a moment of silence. but this is really -- what you are seeing is a community that has come together, to grieve together. >> and still trying to figure out why. and part of that, we're learning

a little bit more about the investigation into micah johnson. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, right now investigators are still going through a couple key pieces of evidence. one of them is the journal they found. you know, they described his ramblings in this journal as incoherent. so they're trying to figure out what a lot of that means. also, they confiscated his cell phone and his laptop. so over the next coming days and weeks, the fbi will be poring through these, trying to figure out some type of motive. why he did what he did. >> and what he did was so deeply devastating. tammy leitner, thank you so much. i want to bring in dr. steven berger, an emergency trauma physician at baylor university medical center here in dallas, who led the emergency room team the night of the attack. thank you so much for coming in. as a trauma physician, you train for this. you train for mass casualty situations. but can anything prepare you, really, for what you saw thursday night and into friday

morning? >> well, we do train for this. we do drills, exercises, rehearse what we're going to do from time to time, so that we are prepared. so that when something like this happens, we kick in more second nature. there's one thing to train for. it certainly is another thing to actually have to live it and do it. but once -- you've got to have the training so that you can hopefully kick in second nature. train as a team. it's not one individual. as a team, we train, we work together. teams of physicians, nurses, technicians, et cetera. and you just hope we all gel together, which on thursday night, i was just really proud of our team, how well we gelled together, came together and rallied. even team members who weren't at the hospital were off-shift, saw what was on the news, came in and responded so we had backup and capability to respond to more casualties. >> some people who were here that night and were in the hospital that night have described it as war-like. they certainly -- the people who were on the streets right behind us described the sounds and

described the chaos and the blood as war-like. you served in a nato combat hospital in afghanistan. i assume in some ways that did help you with what you had to do on thursday night. >> i would say yes. i mean, everything -- every bit of experience certainly prepares you for the next step. and i would say that my role as a trauma team leader in afghanistan, taking care of our guys, our casualties from blast injuries and gunshot wounds and preparing for multiple casualties at a time, and then having to prepare for the next wave of casualties was much -- was much the same as -- a bit surreal thursday night, because -- and sometimes i did feel like, wow, i feel like i'm back in afghanistan, a flash back there, getting the teams ready, the crisis taken care of, the order for chaos and reset and prepare for the next wave of casualties, should they have come. >> the difference being, of course, you expected it in a war zone. you don't expect it in the middle of your city, a city, which, frankly, has a lot of

peaceful protests, and where there has been a lot of work done on community relations. were you keeping a different kind of eye on your team than you normally would, because of the trauma they were going through and seeing what they were seeing and having to do what they were doing? >> in the middle of the crisis, i think that we just respond to this situation like we do to any situation. we've got to figure out what needs to be done, who needs to be where. and how to prepare for what more might come. the emotional part really not part of it. whether it's police officers, whether it's civilian casualties, we want to do our best for each one of them. and i'm really proud of our team because i felt like we gave our best to help them out. as far as after the events, we've had time to reflect. yeah, we certainly handled this differently than -- an individual shooting or -- this is a little harder to take when

we know that our law enforcement who are on the front lines for us are the ones targeted. so it does take a bit more of an emotional toll after the fact. >> so how are people doing and what are you doing to help folks? obviously, doctors, nurses, but all sorts of support personnel, as well. >> we've got great support from our chaplains. from our team members, just within -- we're having times of getting together and praying. i know i found out about a prayer service that's going to be held on friday at noon. and went there, and that was full. and just that time of en kourmt. so any time we can get various ones gathered together and talk about it and pray, encourage, comfort one another. >> well, i'm sure that the people of dallas feel fortunate to have skilled doctors and nurses and other personnel and let's hope this is the last time you have to see anything that reminds you of afghanistan. thank you so much for coming over and talking with us.

>> thank you. patrick zamarripa is one of the most unlucky ones, assassinated and leaving behind a grieving family. his mother and sister allowed me into their home yesterday to help keep his memory alive. he was an iraq war vet, a proud dad to a 2-year-old girl who will now grow up without a father. not surprisingly, the family still has not wrapped their thoughts, their heads around the fact that he's gone. here are valley and laura zamarripa, telling me about the man they knew. >> patrick was a fun-loving, crazy, wonderful human being. wonderful. everybody loved him. >> he was your middle son. >> he was middle child. and he didn't let anybody forget that. >> reporter: what do you mean by that? >> because you know how they always say the middle child syndrome. and i -- i'm the militants child, so i get my way.

but he was always the mediator. between the other two. >> reporter: but did he get his way? >> not always. but he made sure he tried to. >> reporter: he was your little brother. >> yes. patrick is my little brother. >> reporter: tell me about him. >> he's my first best friend i ever had. he -- i used to always tell him he was the main man in my life. he's just so -- patrick is so awesome. he's super smart. patrick loves music. patrick can play the trumpet. patrick can read music really well. he can pick up an instrument and make music come out of it. he didn't like to tell people about that. patrick loves baseball. and he loves football. he's such a people person.

and we had been making fun of him lately, because he's running -- he's at work and he would run into celebrities, and he would approach them as if he had known them all their life. >> yeah. >> that's the type of person he was. >> reporter: but little brothers can be a pain in the butt. >> they can be. and patrick was. but i used to always tell my friends that i never -- i never realized how much i loved him, you know, growing up until -- until i left him, which was when i joined the military. and i left him and then i used to call home all of the time and check on my brothers. we've always been the type of brothers and sisters to hug each other and let each other know that we loved each other. i'm not trying to, like, discredit or anything. but i mean, i took really good care of my brothers. of i combed him, i ironed his

clothes. i -- you know, i cooked for them. i took really good care -- i loved them so much. and patrick would help me. i mean, he was like, you know -- like i said, he was like the man in my life. he took the trash out for me. he did -- he killed bugs for me. you know, stuff like that. and pumped gas for my mom. >> he worried about me a lot. and he made sure that i was okay all of the time. no matter what i needed or, you know, if i needed him, he was there. always. bringing me the baby. mom, i've got to go to work early. can you watch the baby? sure. bring her to me. he would come in with that backpack and bring the baby. be careful. please be careful. i love you. he would say, i love you too, mom. i'll be all right. i'm going to be okay.

>> i'm still -- like, in shock. it just seems so unreal. and i just can't wrap my mind around all of this. because, like i said, before i just -- i couldn't even wrap my mind around that he was a police officer to begin with. because he's just my brother. he's just my little brother. and -- >> reporter: but by all accounts, a really terrific cop. >> yes. he was. >> reporter: such wonderful people, and his mom asked me to tell people that when you see a police officer on the street, thank them. i'll have more of my interview with valerie and laura zamarripa later this hour, including what they say they'll tell patrick's 2-year-old daughter as she grows up. thousands of americans turned out to protest shootings

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rouge to minnesota to california. 21 officers in minnesota alone were injured. black lives matter, this is one of the people arrested. joining me is the co founder of the black lives matter movement, elisa garza. thanks for being with us. >> thanks so much for having me. >> as i'm sure you know, we watch these protests continue, and some people have questioned whether or not in light of what happened here, where i am in dallas, whether maybe people should have stood back and taken a breath. why do you think it was important for black lives matter's protests continue so intensely, less than 24 hours after the dallas attacks? >> well, to be clear, black lives matter has been protesting, organizing and demonstrating for the last three years. and i think one thing that we're very clear about is that at the same time that we can grieve the unnecessary loss of life of five officers in dallas, we can continue to pursue our goal of

ending and eliminating police violence in our communities. ending state-sanctioned violence in our communities. those two things are not antagonistic to one another. and i do think it's important for us to be very mindful in this moment that we have an opportunity to take a step forward as a nation. that as long as we continue to avoid addressing a very real problem, where black people in particular are being killed extra judicially, without a jury, without a trial. if we don't address that problem, we will continue to see this level of protest. but we will also, i fear, continue to see a level of chaos that we can all avoid. but we need to take proactive steps today to curb the violence in this country immediately. >> we do see, after these high-profile shootings there is renewed attention and, of course, we're seeing it again

after what happened in minnesota, what happened in louisiana. i want you to listen to something that former new york city mayor, rudy guiliani, had to say over the weekend that caused a lot of controversy. >> when you talk about black lives matter, well, you know, the black young boy who is killed by another black young boy is just as dead as the black young boy killed by the police officer. >> what's your reaction to hearing someone like the former mayor of new york, rudy guiliani, say not just that your movement is racist, but that not enough is being done by organizations like yours to overcome black on black violence. >> you know, with all due respect, i have to completely disagree with former mayor guiliani. to be honest, he shows a real lack of understanding about what racism actually is. and then to chastise black people to solve a problem in our communities that is actually rather prevalent in every

community is increasingly and incredibly short-sighted. i've seen the former mayor give those kinds of interviews before. it's disappointing. it shows that he's out of touch with the current pulse of where our country is at. and it also shows a real lack of understanding about how systemic racism actually works. look, even newt gingrich got on television the other day and said that he acknowledges that black people have a very different experience in this country that white people can't understand, because they don't live that. so i would encourage the two of them to get together and have a conversation so that we can all move forward together. we're not at this point any more of debating whether or not racism exists. and i feel bad for the former mayor that he's still there. but for the rest of us in this country, what we are focused on is ending violence in our communities. and that is where the prize is for us right now. >> and in the few seconds we have left, do you mention -- you

don't think he knows where -- or is not in step with where the pulse of the country is right now. where do you think it is? >> i think that the average american really wants to see some progress being made on these issues. that we are all concerned about the level of violence that exists in this country. and we want our lawmakers and our legislators to take proactive steps to end the violence that's happening in our communities. we are not in favor of sequeling or quashing protest. but instead, we want to take proactive action to make sure that there are no -- there's no more unnecessary loss of life. and at the same time, that police are not allowed to be judge, jury and executioner. we think that we can do that together, if we stay focused. we also would ask that people take a pledge to continue to be involved in this movement. you can go to action/movementforblacklives.com /pledge to take a pledge to stay committed and to be involved and to continue the fight against

police violence and to eradicate violence in all of our communities. >> alicia garza, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. it is going to be a long time before dallas returns to a real sense of normalcy, following last week's tragic shootings. up next, we'll talk to a man all too familiar with managing a city in the wake of tragedy. edward davis, former police commissioner of boston, shares the lessons learned following the marathon bombing. constipated?

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i'm sorry. >> that was one of the civilians shot and injured in thursday's shooting. taylor was released from the hospital on sunday. this morning, much of the downtown area is back open. four days after five dallas police officers were murdered here. but parts of the city remain shut down, while this investigation continues. joining me now is edward davis, who served as boston police commissioner for nearly seven years, including during the marathon bombing in 2013. commissioner, thanks so much for joining us. >> good morning, chris. thank you. >> i wonder, when you saw what was going on here in dallas, what was the first thing that went through your mind? >> well, it was a terrible tragedy for the officers and the whole community. this -- an incident like this impacts the officers and their families. but it also does stretch into -- everybody in the -- in the city.

and they're dealing with the aftermath of that. and it's very similar to what we went through here in boston. >> this investigation, obviously, is really just beginning. but in your experience, why are these first 72 or 96 hours so important? >> well, there's a lot of work that needs to be done. and some of that work is technical work, forensics, and putting the crime scene back together so that we can learn from what happened and prepare for the future. but the human side of this is really what matters. you've -- chief taylor has done an unbelievable job -- i'm sorry, chief brown as done an unbelievable job in working with the families. and working through the grief that the families are experiencing. and watching some of -- some of this remorse and grief that is coming out on the television over the last few days is -- is

very, very important to the ongoing conversation about this issue. >> what do you think that ongoing conversation should focus on? i'm sure as someone who found themselves in the middle of it, who found themselves in the middle of the chaos and the grief and the bloodshed. here we are, all these years later. we still see someone with evil intent, making good on it. where does this conversation need to go, commissioner? >> well, i mean, it needs to focus on the human part of this. we need to have a conversation from both sides as to exactly what the issues are, getting real facts out on the table and then trying to come to a consensus. we can do a lot more in training on the police side, and deescalation. but the number of firearms that are out there on the street and the level of fear that exists among officers is not a false fear. it's a real fear. officers are killed in this

country every year. so we have to come to some conclusion that the system works. you've seen intense investigations by the justice department and in the cities where this has happened before. so there is -- there is redress. there is a way for people to deal with their -- with their concerns over these issues. people want a fair shake on both sides of this conversation. >> one of the conversations that is being brought up by the mayor here is the open carry laws. it's something different from where you are. but he said it was difficult for the police officers to, you know, separate who might be shooting from people who were there legitimately and peacefully and had guns and had, you know -- were licensed to carry those guns. are those the kinds of conversations too that you think are urgent? >> there's no question. there's a lot of things that we have a right to do that we don't

do because it's just plain stupid. that's exactly the situation with open carry. there were five or six individuals that could have been killed. it's incredible that they weren't shot by police in light of what was going on there. so that's precisely the chaotic kind of situation where these ideas are misplaced. i'm not against people owning guns, but we have to be logical about this issue. >> former boston police commissioner, ed davis, with his perspective. thank you so much, it's good to talk to you. >> thank you, chris. there's also developing news this morning out of the pentagon with the defense secretary, ash carter, announcing more troops are going to be sent to iraq. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent, jim miklaszewski is at the pentagon for us. what do we know? >> president obama approved the additional troops being sent to iraq. at the request of defense secretary carter. and chief military officials. 560 american forces will be sent to iraq, as trainers and

advisers to the iraqi military. that will bring total number of american forces to 4,467, or 4,647, that is. but in any given time, there could be as many as 6,000 troops there in iraq. but not only is the u.s. sending more troops into iraq, they are increasing the military footprint. these additional forces will establish a forward operating base at an air field that iraqi forces just seized over the weekend about 40 miles south of mosul. and they already have a forward operating base to the west of mosul -- to the east, rather. and this is an indication that the u.s. is going to be full-in on any kind of military operation by the iraqis to retake mosul, the second-largest city in iraq, and a key target

in any attempt to drive isis and their control of the northern iraq area out of that region, chris. >> nbc's jim miklaszewski. thank you. >> you bet. still ahead, the moment hillary clinton has been waiting for. bernie sanders set to endorse the presumptive democratic nominee at a rally tomorrow. the ultimate show of support, ahead. plus, is donald trump honing in on a running mate as he gears up for the convention in cleveland. we'll talk about that as well when we come back.

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convention in cleveland. we could get a decision on a running made any day now. nbc's, peter alexander in washington for us. peter, good morning. do we know what trump's short list looks like now? >> chris -- i see you right there. nice to speak to you right now. simply put, this is decision week for donald trump, exactly a week from today, that convention begins in cleveland. right now we have a sense of the short list. we know some of those individuals that are being vetted right now, one contender getting new attention this morning is a retired army lieutenant general, a man by the name of michael flynn. formerly served beneath president obama. he is a registered democrat. he would bring national security expertise to this equation. butty he's also already turned off some republicans, because he supports abortion rights, one leading anti-abortion group basically saying he's already disqualified himself with that position. on that screen you just saw there, some of the other names.

of among them, chris christie, newt gingrich. also mike pence, the indiana governor likely to share the stage with donald trump in indiana when trump heads there, as he has tweeted out this morning for a prime time event tomorrow. chris? >> yeah, and each of them brings something different. i mean, you see a woman and there's that gender balance it brings, a governor who has managerial experience, a member of congress who knows what it's like to work within congress and with the white house. are there any signs as we get closer and closer to cleveland about which direction the trump campaign seems to be going in, sort of what they're focusing on in terms of the qualifications of that vp? >> yeah. and to qualify this answer, let's be clear. what's going on in donald trump, nobody but mr. trump himself knows right now. but as it's been described to us by one of our colleagues, one of our senior political analysts, trump sort of views this as there being two curtains. behind curtain number one is the candidate, the vp selection that may sort of make up for some of

the vulnerabilities he has, secure the social conservatives and grass roots. that would be guys like mike pence, newt gingrich who over the weekend said if he was asked it wouldn't necessarily be a yes, but most people agree that newt gingrich would obviously immediately say yes if so. curtain number two, critics be damned selection. folks like chris christie who will share the stage with trump later today when he's in virginia beach, focusing on national security and on veterans issues. also this michael flynn, this registered democrat, who is pro choice, a guy obviously that the grass roots and the republican party would have a lot of issues with. but trump right now might like something out of the box, his entire candidacy has worked that way. and that's why those sort of political outsider choice, like a flynn, could be one that he would be leaning toward. >> peter alexander, thank you so much. and a programming note. msnbc's nicolle wallace will sit

down with jeb bush, his first interview since donald trump became the presumptive nominee, right here on msnbc. as the people here in dallas try to come together and heal after last week's tragic shootings, focus turns to race relations here and across america. what's being done in the wake of the shootings to ease racial tensions? we'll talk about it, coming up. hi, i'm dominique wilkins. when you have type 2 diabetes, like me,

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people coming together at that memorial over by dallas police headquarters. you've going door to door in the south dallas park, one of the poorest zip codes in the country. why? >> it's not only a part of my work, but i've been doing that because i recognize that it's not enough just to do the -- these faith forums and these coalition meetings or these talks. you really have to get at the grass roots if you want to see long sustainable change. and so that's a part of my work, just to go door to door and ask local residents, what are their feelings on what's happening in our nation and what's happening here in dallas. >> and what are they deali tell you? >> it's a white wide range of perspectives. some people more concerned with their homes, more concerned with a job than they're concerned about police brutality. at the same time, you have folks who on the other end of the spectrum who are like, you know

what, things need to change. there's local people who have died by unarmed, like, clinton avery or james harper or desmond luster. so people are talking about that. but right in the middle, i think are a lot of people afraid. afraid of what exactly does that shooting that happened on thursday mean to african-american males here. >> worried about retaliation? >> worried not only about retaliation, but worried about that the -- the conversation will change. where the conversation specifically about that protest was just to identify and acknowledge the fact that the police brutality is real and that there needs to be some changes made. when the gentleman actually decided to murder five police officers, the conversation has now become more about demonizing and just back to the idea of, oh, people of color and more specifically african-american males are dangerous. so that's not what we want.

>> and dallas has gotten a lot of praise for the work within the community, the relationship between police, and communities like south dallas, fair park. and the demographics would suggest maybe that people might understand. look at these numbers. about 1 million people here in dallas. 28% white, 25% black. more than 42% latino. but diversity doesn't mean understanding, does it, necessarily? >> not at all. not at all. in fact, at the end of the day, this unity talk, this dallas strong talk, it's almost -- it feels a little flippant. because it seems like only when tragedy happens do we actually see communication, do we see people actually hitting the ground. that's to say civil servants. our police officers really trying to listen to people in the grass roots. listen to people in south dallas fair park. >> how do you take this moment, which has a lot of people

thinking, right? and emotions are raw. how do you take it and turn it into something positive? >> man, that is a good question. i think at the end of the day, we have to look at this as something that's long-term, and it's not something that's just a couple of days, a few meetings, and everything changes. at the end of the day, like i said, there's been about nine people that have died, african-american males here in dallas, over the last nine years who have died unarmed. that's never been addressed. my aunt was somebody that was killed by d.a.r.t. police, and it was considered an accident. at the end of the day, it's going to take a long time of work, right, of time and resources as it relates to money. money that's spent on police officers actually being in the neighborhood more often, over time. that costs money. that costs time. and because we need police. we just need them to be here more than whenever it's something reactionary. when something happens. we need them to be here before things happen. >> reverend, thanks so much for coming in. >> thank you for having me. >> appreciate talking to you,

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we're back live in dallas, where thursday night's hail of gunfire brought back haunting memories of november 22nd, 1963. that's when a motorcade that traveled the same road where five policemen were just shot and killed carried then president kennedy. his assassination one of the mostin famust sniper shootings in history. joining me, thank you for coming. i have to say, i don't know it surprised me so much, but so many people in the first hours i was here talked about a city that wanted for so long to be more than a place where jfk was killed. and something about the city's pride in addition to everything else really seemed to take a strong hit that day. can you explain that? >> you know, it's an interesting occurrence, if you think about

it. when we think of other presidential assassinations, we don't associate them with a city. but somehow or another dallas was branded as the city where kennedy was killed. a lot of the things going on here, it was often described in very negative terms as a city that hates. but the interesting part to me is, what dallas did to change that. and i think that's why it hurts so much right now. >> how and when did that happen? because there's no doubt that this is a tremendously different city. >> it a treouy diffent city. jr johnson was the mayor of dallas. he took the office right after the kennedy assassination. former head of texas instruments here and a business leader. and he had the foresight and the vision to bring people together to solve the problems. he realized, it wasn't a top-down problem. this was a systemic problem about how people related to one another. so it was the first time in dallas history, and i bet in a lot of cities' histories where women were brought into the --

the boardrooms, as well. it was business leaders, workers, school teachers, pta leaders, church leaders. >> are there lessons to be learned from that? even in a city that has been praised for its community policing, there is still a lot of anger in these black neighborhoods, still a lot of fear. how do you help this city come back that -- are there lessons from '63? >> oh, there's wonderful lessons from '63. the most important part, i think, is that we made so much progress since then, that, in fact, our police force is kind of a model for race-relations, which is -- makes it all of the more difficult that this incident happened here in dallas. but i think it gives us the opportunity now to try to say, what can we do to fight the systemic issues, not just here in dallas, but across the united states. and i think what we're going to see is dallas leading the way and trying to set up a model for that, as well. >> i thought what you were going to say is, i think we're going

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know by what people are telling her. she'll never know him personally and what a great father he would have been for her. >> lyncoln is only 2. >> correct. it's so terrible to deprive a child of that. >> was she daddy's girl? >> yes, she was. he was such a proactive father. i moean, that was like the ligh of his life. i mean, he even took lyncoln to the gym with him. >> what can you say to a 2-year-old? >> you can't say anything. she has been looking for him. she's been asking for him. >> yes. dada. >> she sees his face and she knows that's who her dad is. but there's no way to tell her that he's not coming home. >> you know, we're just going to have to be there for her. and show her and tell her how he was. and how much he loved her. >> and just let her know how much we love her.

her and christie. >> yes, both of them. both of them. >> because my brother loved them so much. >> he was so happy. he was so very happy to finally have a family. >> how is christie doing? >> she sounded really good last night when i spoke to her. i don't -- i don't know. i really can't speak for her. but she's -- i don't know. i think she's still like us, can't wrap her mind around all of this. and everything is so overwhelming. but we're here for her. and she knows that. her mother and her dad with with her too. and her sister. so we -- you know, all together, i think we can all be good support for each other. >> seems like a really strong family. close family. >> yes. >> we are. >> we are.

part of my conversation with valley and laura. our thoughts, of course, with them, and the families of all of the victims. that's going to wrap-up this hour of msnbc live. tamron hall will pick up our coverage from new york right now. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall coming to you live from our msnbc headquarters in new york. right now, at the bottom of your screen, you see it there. we are waiting for dallas police chief david brown to hold a briefing for us this morning. now, the police chief is expected to update us on the investigation into last thursday ambush that took the lives of five dallas police officers and wounded two other officers and two civilians. now, already this morning, we are learning some chilling new details about the gunman. a dallas county official has confirmed to msnbc that the search for 25-year-old micah johnson's home uncovered evidence that he may, in fact, have had a bigger plan. >> reporter: we have learned that he had -- he was amassing a