a quiet place and get my head around these services. it's going to be the most challenging thing in my life. to be quite honest with you. i don't know how i'm going to make it through the week. that's why i wanted to do this, where i could have the rest of the day to begin to services tomorrow, and hopefully you all won't bug me and respect that i'm trying to get through the last funeral, from tuesday until the last funeral. if you do, i hope you understand why i ignore you. i like all of you, well, most of you, and we can hopefully get past this with god's good grace. yes. >> chief, on the explosive device that you used, previous police statement with the c-4 plus the cut cable -- >> yes. >> was there any structural damage sustained in the garage or anywhere else? and exactly what part was it used in and generally, will you

release today or tomorrow a timeline of what happened? >> probably not today. probably be several days. i'm going to try to get my guys home to get ready for these funerals. so we're likely to slow down a little bit. they've been not wanting to go home. to try to chase every lead. there was damage, and i'm not sure. some parts, where this happened was in the building proper, not the garage. so we've misspoke on that. and we'll try to correct that because we got a release that's going to come out about the gun. we had another follow-up question about something else, we'll try to inl collude the location a little bit more clarification about where it happened. >> building proper -- >> yes. >> and do you know what floor, what part of the building. >> second floor. >> second floor. i can't describe what part, but second floor. and we'll get the details of that to you. today. in a press release.

>> i understand that there were actually people on lockdown in the common building at the time, that s.w.a.t. team detonated that bomb. >> yes, there was a lot of students in the building before this suspect ran at the building. and our officers got most of them out. we learned here recent lay it two students stayed in there overnight, afraid to move because of all the shooting. and we got them out the next morning. just recently, yes. we just recently, so there's a big building. that's a big floor. so they didn't, they weren't in any danger or anything like that as a result of the explosion. i'm going to ask morning news hereto here, been waiting parablely. local and only paper. if y'all don't mind, i'm going to give them privilege here, yes. >> chief, when will be the official release of the names of the victims, and can you speak a little to how the investigation

is going to go with the federal involvement too? >> yes, so because sources leaked the names of our officers before the families were ready, it really became a mood point for us to release officially and we didn't see the need. if you see the need to officially release, we'll do that. we think it's a mute point, no one's been misidentified. we were just taking relief from the families, and i promise them tonight that their loved ones were killed until you tell me it was okay. and i believe in keeping that promise. hang on just a second. this guy was after these two. yes, sir. >> could you talk about the c y city. [ indisearnable ] >> i asked the question of how much we were using, and i said don't bring the building down.

but that was the extent of my guidance. all right. i just said, i trust you, you know what i want done, they improvised this whole idea in about 15, 20 minutes. extraordinary. there was somebody over here that hadn't asked. hang on, i'm sorry, i'll get to you, yes, ma'am. >> hi chief. but tomorrow, president obama is set to be here. separate security in mind, there on saturday evening, will you think differently? >> we've turned the responsibility of security detail for the president to our law enforcement partners, arlington pd is working with the secret service on that and they'll be working with any other law enforcement, partners will vn area to do that. i didn't want my cops having that responsibility because of the fatigue factor. i didn't want something to go wrong with the president coming here because we're tired.

they volunteered to do it. appreciate arlington doing that. let me speak a little bit about the scare here at headquarters. the other day. and this is a little lecturing, i'm going to lecturing then i'm going to get off the soap box. when reporters say, there are shots fired, irresponsibly, when they did not hear shots fired and no one heard any shots fired, that puts our officers at risk. if you tell me shots are fired, the adrenaline, pump and rush for that is hard to take a step without falling. let alone where the shots are coming from, is anybody hurt? it's the most irresponsible thing a reporter can do is say shots fired when you didn't hear it. and if you heard it and you're near an officer, tell the officer. don't tweet it. so we can convey the message in the way that creates safety for our officers. so, i'm going to get off my soap

box, but it wasn't you, i'm just saying, you know who you are, don't do that again. that makes, that makes the hair on our head raise and it just makes us unsafe in a way we conduct ourselves. just to say shots fired. don't do that. that's irresponsible. >> in that prior incident, was there a deadly incident? >> no, hadn't been used before. i'm going to wrap up. i'm tired, i don't have anything else left for you. i'm sorry, this is the last question, right here. lady, you are persistent. and you were late, and then -- >> i know. [ laughter ] >> i'm sorry. >> we've been looking for you for like 30 minutes. >> we're here, we're here. >> go ahead, hannah, last question. >> you've been an officer for, since the '80s, you've worked a very long time to much success, but what do you need to do right now, urgently, to like, what

else can you possibly do to make sure the violence that we've seen in the last week doesn't happen? something specific. >> so we are -- honestly it's a priority. focussed on the families for the funerals. while that's happening, we're getting 911 calls every second. and we're finally against increase in violent crime that every city in the country's been fighting against since last summer. we had plans to do some things as a result of spike in violent crime this month that we had to delay. the number one thing i would say that we are doing is supporting each other as officers. watching each other's back. showing that we care about each other. i think not letting anything

divide us as a police family. not anything. or anyone. get us off track on our mission. and that's simplified, but i think it's easy for cops to understand that the number one thing is for us to stick together. watch out for each other. protect each other. care about each other. say it, express it. and make sure we do everything we can to go home to our loved ones. every shift. >> but what about someone in the community -- >> you're taking liberties that you don't have being late. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> i'm andrea mitchell reporting from washington as the nation is still ripped about race and policing in america.

here's what is happening today. dallas police chief david brown just concluding his latest report on the investigation into thursday's shooting. >> our detectives are continuing to download body camera footage from the officers at the scene. there's over 170 hours of body camera video to download, and that is ongoing. detectives are also collecting all dash cam video. one of the d.a.r.t. officers that was wounded fired their weapon. so, according to our investigative notes now, that brings the total number of officers who used force against the suspect to 13.

13 used force against the suspect. of that 13, 11 officers used their firearms and two officers used an explosive device. detectives are reviewing over 300 statements. to determine which witnesses and officers need to be brought back for further interview. the dallas police department working with the federal bureau of investigations, we're working also with our law enforcement partners in the area to determine the meaning of the initials r.b. that were scribed on the walls there in two locations, inside el central. >> the police chief also strongly defended how the police ended thursday's standoff with a bomb on a robot. >> we knew through negotiations,

this was the suspect because he was asking us how many did he get. and he was telling us how many more he wanted to kill. this wasn't an ethical dilemma, for me. i'd do it again, keith. i'd do it again to save our officer's lives. >> president obama having cut short his trip to spain returning to d.c. late last night, will take part in the memorial along with former president bush tomorrow in dallas. meanwhile, protests escalating across the country in response to the controversial police killings of two african american men early last week. in baton rouge, there were dozens of arrests as protesters clashed with police overnight. in in minnesota, more than 100 people were arrested, 21 police officers were injured over the weekend. our team has a all covered. nbc's jake riscon in dallas and sarah in baton rouge, first, let's start with jacob in dallas. the police chief's very emphatic

and very news worthy explanation of what happened and the aftermath. >> reporter: and very honest. he said i'm tired. this is a very difficult time for our department. he talked about, and you heard there, the investigation has a long way to go, 170 hours of body camera footage, plus footage from dash cams and other businesses. they're going to reconstruct visually the entire incident in what happened. you heard him say there as well, confirming that in fact nine officers were injured, and five kill happened in brings the total up to 14 officers that were either injured or killed in the shooting, plus additionally, of course, the two civilians that we've heard of as well. you also heard him say, 300 statements from witnesses as well. they're going through just a lot that's going into the investigation. you also heard him take the opportunity to talk about his department and how he said that they've had the lowest crime rate right now overall in the last 50 years. he talked about many statistics,

in which proved that he said his department was doing better than they've almost ever been, some of the lowest murder rates as well. and again that overall crime rate, the lowest in 50 years. then he was asked about other issues surrounding the investigation, including about the gun control debate. and he said, i'm not going to get into that. when he was asked specifically about open car in texas and protest, he said, we'll leave that to the state representatives, but he said before, and he'll reiterated here but to have them open carry rifles for example there in the streets during the protest, when all of the shooting happened was confusing for the officers. so a lot he went into, of course we're going to be going over that on msnbc throughout the day. andrea. >> and jacob, you also interviewed the head of the southwest division which lost three officers, tell me about that interview and let's hear some of that sound. >> reporter: so we were there at the southwest division 20 minutes from here where we realized that six of the

officers were from there. you had three killed and three injured as well. so in a especially acute sense of pain there we interviewed the major who said that it's just really beginning to set in the reality of all of it is they saw the body of one of the officers there, and then we have two more funerals coming up. here's some of what was said. on the outskirts of dallas at southwest police division, there are no words. only tears. of the 12 officers hurt or killed, half of them were assigned here. loren aarons, michael krol, and patrick saddam ri pa were killed. >> they knew each other well. that make sts sting all the more because their closeness to each other. >> reporter: and later in that

story that we produced earlier, we also talked to one of the fellow officers, and i asked her will this division ever be the same? she took a really deep breath and she said we're going to be better. and she started to get emotional talking about the overwhelming support that they've received and we'll end with this. just to zoom out and show you, just to make clear that the size and scope of this memorial where you have hundreds of the notes and flowers and balloons, and when you're seeing now are people from the area, and we've met them from 30, 45 minutes, an hour away who have come because they want to have in their mind to remember the support and the good instead of the pain and the sorrow. andrea. >> thank you so much, jacob for all of this. and more on the fallout from the deadly shooting of alton sterling. protesters went head to head with police last night. joining me now from baton rouge, sarah, this is still a very tense city a week later, and a lot of pain. >> reporter: that's exactly

correct, andrea. we are awaiting a press conference want pa rish district attorney that's coming up in about 20 minutes. this following a night in which we saw more arrests, more protesters, and for the first time, police in gas masks. although we to want emphasize that no tear gas was fired. at least 50 people were arrested overnight. that number, however, given to us by officials relatively early in the evening. sop we do expect it to go up. we're hearing more also from those arrested over the weekend, including prominent black lives matter activist. now he is charged with obstructing a highway. and he told us upon his release that he is disappointed in how baton rouge police have interacted and dealt with the protesters. he says he hopes that the department of justice will look into that treatment. meanwhile, want governor of louisiana, thes praising police for their response. he describes their actions as moderate, and he is also praising protesters, he says the

majority of protests and protesters, andrea, have been peaceful. back to you. >> sarah in baton rouge, and in minnesota, police and protesters were in a standoff as demonstrators shut down a main highway over the weekend. tension growing off philando castile was shot. and the aftermath streamed live in facebook. blake mccoy joining me now from st. paul, minnesota, blake. >> reporter: andrea, we heard sarah say that tear gas was not used in baton rouge over the weekend, it was used near minnesota to disperse these crowds. 102 arrests over the weekend. 50 of those arrests took place on the freeway and the city attorney here in st. paul says he will decide by 10:00 tonight whether or not to charge those 50 freeway protesters with third degree riot, which is a gross misdemeanor. but police say that they had glass bottles, rocks, firework, even a molotov cocktail thrown at them. 21 officers were injured.

the most serious injury we're told is an officer who had a broken vertebrae after police say someone dropped a piece of concrete on his head from a freeway overpass. the governor called what happened here over the weekend a dangerous escalation. he's usualing calm and peace. we're also hearing today from the family of philando castile, he's the black man whose killing here last week sparked all of these protests, his mother, valerie says when demonstrators become violent, it disrespects my son and his memory. she says philandofuls a man of peace and dignity and urging protesters to remain peaceful as they continue to demonstrate, andrea. >> blake, thanks so much from st. paul. and it was also a night for those attending thursday's protests in dallas. when the shooting began, of course miss taylor brought her four sons. she was shot in the leg while trying to protect them. she thanked the police officers who shielded her and her children from the reigning

bullets. >> they stayed there with us and i saw another officer -- i saw another officer get shot right there in front of me. and then there was two. of course i'm thankful that my babies are okay, but somebody's daddy and husband isn't. >> extraordinary expression of gratitude, joining me now is deputy mayor eric wilson. thank you very much and condolences for what your city is going through. what happens next? i know rough the president, former president, the vice president, all coming for the memorial service, but how does this city come together? the law enforcement and the people? >> first of all, thank you for having me. we continue doing what we're doing right now. coming together, supporting one

another, but most importantly, talking and listening to both sides. understanding the frustration and acting on that frustration change in order to deescalate the situations. i give a lot of credit to our chief of police, chief brown, you can actually see and demonstrate in it's investigation his methodology of the escalation for our officers and how they are meticulously going through this process to make sure that we are going and defining every piece of evidence possible and we're not jumping to conclusions or overreacting. >> mayor wilson, at the same time, there have been questions raised and chief brown answered, questions raised around the country about the use of the bomb. the robot bomb to take him down. explain the thinking behind it and why it's justified. >> well, i think drastic times

calls for drastic measures. he was given multiple opportunities to surrender. there was not going to be an easy end to this. >> the police chief indicated it's up to political leaders to deal with the open carry laws. texas would not be the best place to start revisiting that given the strong support for it. but open carry on long guns. what is your thinking about that and is there any political will in texas or elsewhere in the country where these laws exist to rethink them? >> well, i would hope that the cities will begin to have a discussion with their legislators, with their state and federal legislators about this be issue, and that the discussions will lead to some change. if you look at the history of this, the outcomes haven't been

the same. so we're practicing the definition of insanity. we keep doing the same thing and we keep getting results like this. >> and before i let you go, i just want to say, if it could happen in dallas, which has had an exemplary police force and community policing and decline in the incidents between the civilians and the police force in recent years and a chief that is held at around the country. if it could happen there, how do you protect society from this kind of incident happening any place in the country? >> well again, going back to the original solution, no war or conflict has ever been resolved with violence. violence gets violence. the solution has to be with discussion real discussion, elephant in the room discussion and we all must come to an agreement. we're in this together and common and divided.

and express concerns on both sides and both sides willing to listen. >> thank you very much. thank you for talking to us today. >> thank you for having me. and up next, 21 police officers will be here, more than 100 protesters arrested over the weekend. we'll get the latest from st. paul mayor chris coleman coming up next. plus all of the politics of the day of "andrea mitchell reports." [announcer] is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the summer of audi sales event is here.

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one of the first to lose in the primaries. nicole wallace is former communications director. just spoke with jeb bush in maine, nicole, thank you very much for joining us. for these first comments from jeb bush, on camera about donald trump and this year's campaign. i want to play a little bit of your extraordinary conversation. >> trump, you know, to his credit was very smart at exploiting these kind of opportunities. he's a master at understanding how the media works. more than anybody i've ever seen in politics. kudos for him for kind of creating the environment and then manipulating to his affect. the tragedy of this though is that there isn't going to be a wall built and mexico's not going to pay for it. and there's not a ban on muslims. none of that -- this is all like a alternative universe that he created. the reality is that's not going to happen. and people are going to be deeply frustrated in the divides

will grow in our country. and this extraordinary country, still, the greatest country on the face of the earth will continue to stagger instead of soar. and that's the heart breaking part of this is i think people are really going to feel betrayed. >> nicole, how bitter sweet is this or perhaps more bitter than swreet for him to be watching this coronation, if you will, of donald trump and a change in the party of his own -- yeah. >> reporter: yeah, you know, we're actually not on the compound, we're in the neighborhood, we're a few door's down, but what was so striking to me as someone who's worked for the bush family, it is abundantly clear to jeb bush that the party was in the mood for something very different. and unlike his father's lost the presidency in '92 when which we talked about and jeb bush's first loss when we first ran for governor. he really sees his candidacy and, you know, he seems himself, he was the wrong man at the

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much for the first, this first glance at the jeb bush interview and make sure of course to tune in tonight at 10:00 eastern to see more of nicole's exclusive conversation with jeb bush. now back to the unrest in minnesota. st. paul mayor and the city's police chief addressing the violent protest that erupted in response to the fatal shooting of philando castile in that city last week. >> what happened last night and early this morning does a disservice to those that have lost their lives. this last week. whether it was philando castile in falcon heights over the officers in dallas. this is not about grief, this is not about protest, this is about rioting, this is about violence. >> it's republican a disgrace, and protesters last night turned into a criminals, and i'm absolutely disgusted by the acts of some, not all, but some. to those that want to come into

this city and jeopardize our public safety and assault our officers, we're not going to tolerate it. >> st. paul mayor chris coleman joins me now, thank you for your patience. we had a lot of breaking news particularly in dallas today -- >> understood, busy day. >> where do things stand today in your city? we understand the importance of community policing and all of that, but now you're faced with protests and you've got to deal with the fallout. >> we're the state capitol of the state of minnesota. this incident didn't occur in the city of st. paul, but we understand that the political conversation has taken place in front of the governor's mansion and across the city. we have a lot of experience handling these situations. we've worked very successfully with black life matrs at previous protests throughout the last couple of years. and will continue to do that. what we saw on saturday night wasn't peaceful protest, it wasn't grief, it wasn't what we've seen in the past, it was specifically individuals that set out to create and start a

riot. and our officers responded appropriately. i would just clarify one thing that was said previously that's not true, tear gas was used. we did use smoke bombs. we did use mace on a couple of individuals that were engaged in violence. but we did not use mace. and the fact of the matter is our officers acted a mir bli and incredibly professionally. >> and you're saying there was no tear gas used as had been previously reported, correct? >> correct. >> thanks for that. there's a comment from the governor, mike dayton about race saying that what had happened would not have happened if the people in that car had all been white. and on "meet the press" the response from jay johnson, the secretary of homeland security was interesting, let me play a bit of that for you. >> very often situations like this are pretty complicated. and so, i want to resist labels

like that, that may be premature. i think we ought to let the investigation play itself out. there ought to be something that's fairly swift, transparent, and if necessary, accountability. >> do you think it's premature to said as the governor did say, if the people in the dar had been white that the death of mr. castile would not have happened and he had been white? >> well, i agree with secretary johnson that we need to know all the facts, we need a swift investigation by the burr bureau of referred for charges if any to the county attorney, but you can't look at what happened in that situation and not be concerned about it. we've recognized in the city of st. paul that too often race does play a factor in policing. in communities across the country. that's why we've done deep dives on racial equity work. all of our officers being trained in how to make sure we're not racially profiling, working closely with the naccp

and other african american leaders to make sure we're listening to them, changing our policies and practices as it relates to that. but you know, i think it's an appropriate question to ask, we need to have the facts play out before we make a final decision. >> mr. mayor, thank you, thanks very much. our best to you as the city and the state of minnesota try to deal with this issue. thank you very much. >> thank you. and coming up, the country still on edge, one former police chief's chilling prediction about the upcoming political conventico conventio conventions, that's next on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. (vo) my name's nick

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taking place. >> former chief charles ramsey, police chief in philadelphia and d.c. and cochair of president obama's policing task force. predicting unrest at the upcoming political conventions because of the nationwide tension between communities and law enforcement. joining me now is gregory thomas, the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives, also senior executive for law enforcement in the brooklyn d.a.'s office. thank you very much for being with us. >> sure. >> where do we go from here? dallas was an exemplary city by all accounts. with great, a great record of community engagement, and look at what happened there. and how are people supposed to respond now? >> well thankfully they're under good leadership there. both the mayor and the police chief again. david brown was a member, a friend doing the best job he can right now in tough times. as you mentioned earlier in his press conference, this is a time you just don't, but it's important to be a strong manager and strong leader. as it relates to the next steps for the country, we have to settle kbak and let the country

mourn, let dallas mourn, let baton rouge mourn, let minneapolis mourn. >> what do you think about robots and bombs? there weren't hostages, but it was clearly a situation that was filled with peril and other explosives. >> i fully trust him, on paper it's unorthodoxed. the first used here domestically. in general, you hear his comments about how fast-moving this was and how deadly this ceiling was moves throughout the city. and instincts were correct. they get to this be quelled as soon as possible, so they used the robot making sure he was staff, his staff was safe and the citizens of dallas was safe. >> how important is if for african american police officers, we heard comments over the weekend, you're a police officer when you have the uniform on, then when you're off with kids or family or by

yourself, you're an african american man, also fearful and in peril of being misjudged and discriminated against, or profiled. >> that's a reality. still bring out the 40th anniversary next week in washington, d.c., and 40 years ago, our founders joined together to come together to discuss issues related to police reform that is still happening now. it's society at large. to be african american executive in law enforcement, you have to realize that the situation we're in right now needs to be fixed no u, otherwise it'll billion another problem tomorrow and another problem after that. >> and the whole question of whether or not -- what do you say to black lives matter for instance as you face these protests, baton rouge and st. paul and other places? what is your message to them? >> well, i understand their need to protest and need to be obviously angry, and we agree with the need for anger, but

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msnbc contributor, fix blog, well, chris, what did he tell you because there's a lot of talk about whether it's going to be a political figure, military person, and we know jennifer griffin from fox just interviewed general flinn, he says i'm not in favor of choice, last 24 hours switched his position on abortion. >> look, i think donald trump has shown throughout this campaign, andrea, that he can change his mind very quickly. so here's what it was as of this morning. he said he was leaning toward a more political pick rather than a military pick. by political, he means someone in politics before, that would be a mike pence, the governor of indiana, chris christie, the governor of new jersey, newt gingrich, the former speaker of the house as opposed to general flinn. now, he didn't rule him out, he said he had a list of five people, the three i named and general flinn as well as one more person o are on that list. probably make his mind up or expect it within the next three to four days and that he had

someone in mind. sort of a strong contender, but his mind was not totally made up yet. >> and do you have any inside speculation based on your conversation and what you know of the players? >> i mean, i would say -- i guess i would be surprised at this point if it was someone who is not up -- someone who has been in politics before. i felt the most fascinating part of the interview, we talked for about 25 minutes, it was unexpected, he just called my cell phone. was that he said that he -- >> what had you been tweeting? >> golly, he thought that picking a politician would be the best thing he could do to unify the party which is fascinating because obviously we know that this convention that starts next week is going to be problematic for him. he insisted haes not worried about it, but he thought picking a politician, someone that the establishment liked and respected would be his quickest, best path to unifying the party and emphasized to me, which i was surprised, he does care about unifying the party. we'll see, i guess i would be in

the christie, pence, gingrich camp, as well as a fourth person i don't know, maryfallen from oklahoma, pete -- excuse me, jeff sessions, senator from alabama opposed to a general or someone like that. >> and briefly, chris, on the democratic side, speaking of unifying the party, we're going to be in new hampshire tomorrow and that's where as we reported last week, bernie sanders is going to embracing hillary clinton after they worked out their platform disagreements. over the weekend in orlando. and all is going to be peace and harmony in the democratic side. or not. >> well, it's been a long time coming. obviously the primary ended officially on june 14th in d.c. hillary clinton doesn't care, as long as she gets bernie sanders, the photo op and the words, bernie sanders standing next to her and saying i endorse hillary clinton enthusiastically for president, sure there will be some bernie sanders people, andrea, who will never be for hillary clinton, but if you believe polling, it's not a huge

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well, when they talk about killing police officers. >> but they don't. >> and they say they do, killing police officers and they talk about killing police officers and they yell it out at their

rallies and police officers -- >> but mr. mayor, what you seem to be doing is -- >> please, please let me finish. and when you say, black lives matter, that's inherently racist. >> well, i think their argument -- >> black lives matter, white lives matter, asian lives matter, hispanic live matters, that's anti-american, and it's racist. >> rudy giuliani on "face the nation" yesterday. a professor and chair of pan african studies at l.a. professor, thank you for being with us. your response to mayor giuliani. >> i find it very difficult not to laugh at rudy giuliani determining what racism is. i think that he has a clear issue with racial bias himself. and so i think that we need to remember that when we say black lives matter, we're not saying no one else's life matter twhabs black lives matter, declaring that black lives matter should

be something that everyone is able to do, if you truly value human life on the whole, then have no problem saying black lives matter. >> is this a turning point for the movement as you try to deal with how to respond, obviously to african american men -- two african american men killed in terrible circumstances last week and almost immediately this insane attack in dallas killing the law enforcement officer. so there's sort of a split screen effect in america. people don't know what to respond to. and your movement is right in the middle. >> so i think it's really important that we uplift that nearly 120 black people have been killed so far this year by law enforcement. and of course we're a movement that was founded and is rooted in ending police violence against black people that makes us a peace movement. we believe in nonviolent direct action. and so we have engaged in that way, regularly. last week, four black men were killed at the hands of the

police. we know about alton sterling and philando castile because we have really good video, but there was also a murder in new york, there was another murder in houston. all in the span of one week. so the black community is and has been under the assault, under kind of the occupation of police who were operating as an occupy force rather than a force that is supposed to protect and serve all of the people. >> how do you frame that at a time when there's going to be so much attention paid to dallas? especially tomorrow with the memorial service and the fact that the police chief there is struggling, you know, to deal with their loss, a loss that included african americans, of course. >> well, i think it's really important that we value life and that we value the lives of our as well as in dallas they're going to be paying tribute to

law enforcement. i think that we need to think about how it is we build a system where we create safe communities for everyone. reimagining and redefining public safety. so really get people to invest in a system of public safety that's holistic, that doesn't just overrely on policing. and so, i think that one of the things that we're seeing is kind of recommitment on the part of community members to engage in this reimagining and redefinition. and that's some good that came, come through tragedy is a commitment to engaging in peaceful demonstrations and peaceful redefinitions of what public safety means to us. in this country and globally. >> thank you so much. thanks, we look forward to continuing the conversation. >> thank you. and much more ahead right here on "andrea mitchell reports." we'll be right back. we've got that thing! you know...diarrhea?

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