some of thump's children, son donald and husband kushner. they've been among the most trusted advisers wow threw out the campaign. our political team is here covering every dwochlt let's get right to nbc's kelly o'donnell in cleveland ahead of the republican convention. kelly, what more do we know about this meeting? kind of unusual, right, to be able to see the candidate coming into and going out of a house in one of these high-profile meetings? >> reporter: one of those days where you say it's good to be lucky. our man on the ground, vonn hilyard was in the right place at the right time to capture video of this meeting. we know these interactions happen in the veep-stakes process. it takes us closer to the moment when a real decision will be made. from what i'm learning from sources, that decision has not come yet, but the window of time is closing. today what we have is the children of donald trump at the

governor's residence in indiana. that is the official home of the governor of in in and mike pence and his wife karen live there. and to have this extra bit of time forgetting to know each other, personal interaction. for the truchl children who have been key advisers and really ultimate gatekeepers for their father, knowing what they believe is in his best interest, what they want to see for the campaign and trying to find the right fit for a running mate. that kind of interaction is not something you see in every campaign cycle, but the trump kmirn play a prominent role. we can tell you it is also expected they have had this kind of meeting with others who were in finalist loop. we expect this kind of thing is in some ways constructive, actual part of the process, in other ways there's a bit of deflection that goes on where the trump campaign has tried to throw out a few shiny objects here and there to keep us all guessing. trump spent the night in indianapolis after a rally in indianapolis and, of course, the

governor appeared there as well, and a fund-raiser, in part because he's heading west to california for fund-raising activities. spending the night there and carrying on to the west coast seemed sort of from an itinerary point of view, convenient. it also has the benefit of allowing this sort of meeting. we know from sources friday we will see trump and his choice in a public appearance. what we don't know if we'll learn the identity of his running mate sooner. that window seems to be getting closer and closer. kristen? >> kelly, some of the other big names, newt gingrich, chris christie. what do we know about where those talks stand? >> reporter: there have been times when trump has said as many as ten. our reporting takes us down to a top three, pence, christie and gingrich. part of that is the behind the scenes vetting process which is an intense and involved process involving a team of lawyers and researchers involved in the interview process with the candida

candidate. now we're seeing with the adult children and the top vetting lawyer. some of the other names on the periphery are fun to talk about, but based on all of our reporting, it has really nair rowed to this top three. the trump campaign has enjoyed sort of talking about other possibilities like a military expert like general martin flynn. his name was in the running for a couple of days. our sources say he's moved off the top tier list in part because of some of his comments related to abortion that wouldn't be well received by the conservative base of the republican party. it is part, kind of the show before the show and part a very serious process behind the scenes to determine a running mate. >> a great way to describe it, the show before the show. before i let you go, trump is getting backlash for declining a request to speak to the naacp. what do we know about this? >> reporter: it is always a tradition that the convention of the naacp in an election year will invite both presidential

candidates. hillary clinton has accepted that invitation, donald trump has not. we haven't gotten a specific reason. it's also true typically the naacp convention does not line up in exactly the same time as the republican convention. so at this point trump is involved with his own convection planning, involved in the veep-stakes as we've been describing it. we don't have an official reason for him to decline. it is tradition both candidates would appear before that important group. kristen? >> kelly o'donnell covering all of the angles in cleveland. thank you so much, kelly. appreciate it. as we continue to monitor that live picture outside of governor pence's home, i want to bring in senior political editor mark murray here with me in washington. mark, let's just talk about this high profile meeting between trump and governor pence. talk about the pros and cons of governor pence. what might he bring to the ticket and what might some of

the drawbacks be? >> i think his social conservative bone fides, he was a long time member of the house of representatives, has gubernatorial experience. it seems to check a lot of those boxes for donald trump. remember donald trump on the social conservative front hasn't necessarily been someone who has been in front lines of the culture wars, particularly from the right and having someone with these types of credentials ends up helping him. one of the biggest drawbacks that mike pence has, he's not even popular in his own state 789 our nbc "wall street journal" maris poll back in may had him with a 43% approval rating. that actually was pretty much in line with president obama's approval rating in indiana and consider indiana as a red state. one of the reasons for that unpopularity, kristen, has to do with the fact of the religious liberty legislation in indiana from several months ago. it drew a huge backlash from the

lgbt community and businesses. when mike pence and some of hiss allies retreated on it, that drew the anger from a lot of social conservatives who aren't as strong with pence as they were a few years ago. he didn't seem to make any friends with that. that's one of the reasons he has been stuck in a very competitive race for re-election in indiana. if he is trump's vice presidential pick, he's going to have to take him name off the ballot and the deadline to do it is friday. >> all right. important deadline, no doubt. of course, newt gingrich getting a lot of buzz as well, particularly after donald trump said earlier this week newt gingrich would be part of his administration in some form. so what are the pros and cons of a newt gingrich pick? he would obviously ground trump to some extent given all of his experience? >> newt gingrich would be more of a comfort level. gingrich has been someone who throughout the totality of the this election, even before endorsing donald trump he said nice things about him.

i do think it would be on the comfort factor. i think, kristen, one of the cr drawbacks would be if donald trump wants to prosecute hillary clinton on the 1990s and bring up the lewinsky matter, having gingrich isn't the one to do it. gingrich left office after those impeachment proceedings. talk about a rerun of the 1990s again, but if it is newt gingrich, it would definitely be for that comfort level. >> okay. as we continue to monitor that live shot outside governor pence's home, i want to switch gears a little bit and talk about new polling which shows secretary clinton's poll numbers have dropped in key swing states. this is significant because it comes after the scathing report from the fbi. what are the takeaways from this polling? >> the polling comes from quinnipiac. it has donald trump with a three-point lead in florida when

hillary clinton actually had a sizable lead just a month ago. it also has donald trump with a two-point lead in pennsylvania and a tied race in ohio. as you mentioned, the context here is this polling was conducted mostly after the scathing testimony by fbi director james comey even though he ended up they weren't going to have charges for hillary clinton. it also comes as hillary clinton has been flooding the battlegrounds with tv ads, o outspending donald trump by a 40-1 margin. kristen, this is just one polling and we'll be coming out with our own polls of ohio and pennsylvania late they are afternoon. that will add some additional context because most of the national polling right now has hillary clinton with about a four to five-point lead, and normally the battlegrounds would end up reflecting the national polls given they are battlegrounds right down the middle, and so we'll see polls all over the place. stay tuned at 5:00 when we put

out some new battleground polls. >> we will eagerly await those new numbers. quickly, mark, before i let you go, can secretary clinton win without winning in those key battlegrounds or does she really need almost all three to win the white house? >> this is one of the big advantages hillary clinton has, she can get the 270 electoral votes without those battlegrounds of high high aohi florida. you can win virginia, iowa and colorado and be able to replace one of those. really when you look at the fundamentals, donald trump is in the same position that john mccain was in in 2008 and mitt romney in 2012. you have to run the table in the battleground states where hillary clinton, if she wins florida or ohio or combination of virginia and co-corks she gets to 270. still, even despite the numbers right now in the context, the overall map still has an advantage for democrats. >> all right. important context there.

mark murray, thanks so much. as mark mentioned, we will be releasing our new nbc news "wall street journal" maris poll at 5:00 eastern on mtp daily. now to the fight between donald trump and supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg. in an overnight tweet trump called on justice to resign because, quote, her mind is shot. republicans including house speaker paul ryan now calling ginsburg's judgment into question. >> i don't think it's something a supreme court judge should do given the fact that they'll probably be facing some kind of decision in the future. this clearly calls into question her bias. "the new york times" editorial board out with a column this morning that donald trump is right about justice ruth bader ginsburg. rarely we see "the times" agreeing with trump.

saying justice ginsburg's comments show why their tradition has been to keep silent. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins me. >> we should point out they agree with trump on the inappropriateness of this, not saying she should resign. >> that's correct. very important clarification. help us to put this story into a broader context, pete. how rare is it to hear a supreme court justice speak out in these candid terms? >> can't say much about the 19th century when politics are more bare knuckles. there's two concerns about it. one is there's a general rule that judges should refrain from either supporting or attacking political candidates, but the second question is, is ruth bader ginsburg setting herself up for calls that she would have to recuse herself in the event trump was elected president. for exam, if there's a bush v gore contest over the election itself. but if he's elected and there

are key policies of his that come before the court like president obama's immigration plan, something like that, would she have to recuse herself? that's the concern because she's expressed such a strong view about him, she would be putting herself in legal jeopardy for possible recusal. >> given all the questions it raises as you just pointed out, do you expect her to apologize and would it matter if she apologized? >> do i expect her to apologize? no. she's a smart woman and knows exactly what she's doing. she's ratcheted it up every time someone asks her about it. first to the associated press, then to "the new york times" she was critical of him. then an author went to the justice and doing an interview on the book and brought this up. giving her a chance to dial it back, she went further. questioning his tax returns, that's where that came from.

she knows exactly what she's doing. i don't think she's going to apologize. she'll soon be leaving the country on a previously planned overseas trip. swe won't hear much from her on this i would guess. >> pete williams, thanks so much for helping us break it down. we are still monitoring donald trump's meeting right now with indiana governor mike pence, on the short list for his vp. we'll corporate to keep a close eye on this and update you throughout the hour. breaking news this morning, an emotional plea from the son of alton sterling. a little over a week ago his father was killed by baton rouge police officers. >> i want everyone to protest the right way, protest in peace, not guns, not drugs, not alcohol, not violence. everyone needs to protest in the right way with peace, no violence, none whatsoever. >> this as we learn more about an alleged plot to kill officers on the baton rouge police force. more on the investigation into the thwarted plot right after a quick break.

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two developing stories in baton rouge, louisiana. moments ago alton sterling's teenage son cameron spoke out pour the first time after his father was killed by a baton rouge police officer last night. he pleaded for the country to come together. >> i feel that people in general, no matter what the race is, should come together as one united family. there should be no more arguments, disagreements, violence, climbs. everyone should come together as one united family. my father was a good man. that was a sacrifice to show everyone what has been going on

in live, and it should give everyone a push that everyone should be together, not against each other. >> this comes a day after baton rouge police disrupted an alleged plot by four people to attack police officers. nbc's charles hadlock joins me in baton rouge. thanks for joining me. i want to start right there. the last time we saw cameron, he was devastated, understandable, of course. today he was so composed and had this incredibly powerful message. >> yes, he did. he was very different from, of cour course, the day his dad died when we saw him in that impromptu news conference crying. i just spoke with his attorney l. chris stewart who said just before he came out to speak to reporters, he was inside his vehicle here reading his bible trying to compose himself to "meet the press" here. he was an impressionable young man who faced the press here

telling the community he thanked them for their support and also imploring people not to protest violently, there is a right to protest, but to do so peacefully. kristen? >> charles, you're there in the community. what's the mood today? will they listen to his message, do you think? >> i think they are. the church community has pulled together. they're having meetings almost every night, vigils of some sort to pray and talk about unity, unifying the races here. that contrasts with what happened last weekend when out-of-towners came in to antagonize the police. that's why you saw them in s.w.a.t. gear and tanks. they thought they had a credible threat with the burglary of a pawnshop on saturday and the arrest of a teenage boy who said he was burglarizing the place to buy bullets to kill police officers. that escalated the tensions here among police officers until they could arrest everybody involved

in this. they rounded up most of the guns, only eight missing, one was a bb gun. two were missing and they were looking for one possible suspect. that helped tamp down the fears here that there would be some type of retaliation like dallas. right now baton rouge is peaceful and people here hope it stays that way. kristen. >> let's hope so. nbc's charles hadlock, thank you for that report. later we'll have much more on race and policing asment obama holds a meeting with police officers at that time white house this afternoon. just ahead, new details emerging about the sniper in last week's horrific dallas attacks. what mike ka johnson's former squad leader remembers about his time in the military. that's after a quick break. stay with us. and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones

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funerals begin tomorrow. there you see officers gathered outside. thompson who got married just two weeks ago had been with the force since 2009. also being laid to rest today is 55-year-old officer michael smith. smith was a 26-year veteran of the dallas police department. we're also learning more about the type of training the shooter had in the military before he unleashed his rath during thursday's attacks. nbc's gabe gutierrez continues in dallas for us. what's the latest today? >> reporter: good morning, kristen. we are speaking to the former squad leader of 25-year-old micah johnson who says he was a bit of a clumsy student and he was shocked when he heard about what happened. his name is sergeant gilbert fishbach. he was a squad leader with the 284th engineering company. he says he knew johnson back in 20 09d and 2010.

we know johnson served one tour in afghanistan. this was the squad leader that helped train in in some of the shoot-and-move techniques he used during the rampage to kill those five officers. again sergeant fishbach described to us what his impressions were of johnson. let's take a listen. >> i was just shocked. he just didn't seem to be motivated or that enthused about it. he was a little clumsy, glut clut see, goofy sometimes. i think it's key, kristen, he wasn't that enthused about it. we know investigators are pouring through his digital trail of his computer, as well as his journal where he talked about this combat techniques somewhere along the line when we returned from afghanistan apparently, he fell back into and got more interested in those techniques. the former squad leader says he wasn't that interested in it during the time he was training under him. he said he was more interested

in other things, for example, carpentry, kristen. >> one more element that makes this so stunning. of course, that memorial behind you continues to grow, underscoring how much that community is still grieving. this all comes, gabe, as we're learning about new possible legislation being introduced today that would make killing a police officer a federal crime. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's right. being introduced by senator john cornyn of texas. he's one of the people that spoke at that emotional memorial here in dallas yesterday. as this community tries to heal, it's called the back the blue act of 2016. among other things, it would create a new federal crime for killing a police officer -- federal police officer, federal judge or federal public safety officer. this offender would be subject to either the death penalty or a minimum sentence of 30 years. the bill would also open up

federal funds for pub police departments to improve on community policing. one of the original co-sponsors of this bill will be senator ted cruz who was at the emotional memorial yesterday. kristen? >> we'll watch that closely here on capitol hill. gabe gutierrez reporting around the clock, thank you so much. ahead, uniter-in-chief. >> i'm here to insist that we are not as divided as we seem. i know that because i know america. i know how far we've come against impossible odds. [ applause ] >> a day after his emotional dallas memorial speech, president obama set to meet with police officers and activists at the white house. can he help bridge the divide felt between some communities and the officers hired to protect them. we'll discuss that. we're still monitoring the governor's residence in indianapolis where you see donald trump just leaving after

having met with governor mike pence. there the two standing together. he was, of course, at the top of trump's vp list. we're anticipating an announce as soon as friday. there are his children, ivanka, jared also getting into the car. we will continue to monitor veep stakes and we'll talk to hallie jackson who is live. what can you tell us about this meeting? >> reporter: hey, kristen. i think we were mike checking there. i'll take my earpiece out. i want to fill you in. we're talking about this meeting with pence, trump and his kitchen cabinet, as you know, children, don junior, ivanka and her husband jared kushner have been very involved in donald trump's thought process. eric was not at this meeting at the indiana governor's residence, but the rest of the family was. everybody wants to read the tea

leaves. does this mean pence is the guy? >> prior to this meeting i got off withthe phone with a source close to the meeting. as you know gingrich is very much in the mix. governor chris christie of new jersey is as well at least to a degree. here is what we do know. we know trump has said he's not going to push a surprise. that's what he said overnight. the sense i'm getting from inside trump world, this is not necessarily a head fake from donald trump, he is seriously considering these candidates and it's more than likely going to be one of these three. on friday we know trump will appear privately. we expect frankly it will given that politics is politics and this is a very big decision from the trump campaign, one that will be tough to keep under wraps. you can imagine all the scrutiny and attention on donald trump right now. he says he has a fairly good

idea -- some of his new remarks -- he has a fairly decent idea of who he might pick. the sense with some who watched that audition for indiana governor mike pence last night is he did well, he delivered what he needed to, a raucous crowd, he energized them. the fund-raising event earlier in the evening seemed to go well. a lot of tea leaf reegd. we should be within 48 hours of finding out who donald trump's running mate can be. kristen, i can't hear you. if you have a follow up question, i'll try to make it work. >> hallie, i know you'll be reading the tea leaves carefully. of course, just to recap, donald trump just leaving the residence of governor pence after meeting there with him, with his children. he is undoubtedly at the top of his short list. we are waiting for donald trump to make a decision potentially within just hours. msnbc live coverage continues.

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president obama tuesday in dallas admits he, too, has doubts about whether the public can have an honest talk about the country's racial divide. >> can we find the character as americans to open our hearts to each other? can we see in each other a common humanity and a shared dignity and recognize how our different experiences have shaped us? it doesn't make anybody perfectly good or perfectly bad. it just makes us human. i don't know. but the president will try yet again today. this afternoon he'll host a meeting with law enforcement officials, civil rights, academic and political leaders on race and policing.

nbc's ron allen joins us now from the white house. ron, it strikes me. yesterday we saw this very emotional president obama. he gave this wide-ranging speech on race, on policing. this seems to be more of a nuts and bolts day. what are you anticipating? >> reporter: you're right, kristen. this is followup and something the president has been working on day in and day out, for the most part, since he's been in office and especially the past couple years since we've had these high-profile events with officer-involved shootings. we've said as the president tries to walk the line for support for law enforcement, yet his belief for the most part are peaceful and there are profound problems in the criminal justice system in the united states based on race, and a lot of that involves policing. the president tends to fall back on the task force he set up in 2014, the 21st century task

force. the problem is the recommendations are just that, they're not laws. they are through executive order. they are suggestions. local police departments are run by localities and states, not the federal government. it revolves around trying to build trust and transparency, about how police should gather more data about officer involved shootings and publish them. there are broader suggestions on how the community should attack core problems like education, lack of opportunity, jobs. i'm reminded of the comment the president made yesterday, the quote where he was quoting the dallas police chief where the police are asked to do so much, to be social workers, to be parent counselors and so little we do as a society to help them to solve these seemingly intur mountable problems. this is the conundrum that society faces and what the president is trying to attack. in this meeting he'll have more dialogue with community leaders and police department

representatives trying to bridge the divide, trying to come up with practical solutions and trying to encourage communities to implement these suggestions at this task force has come up with. the president himself has been very slow saying the progress is slow and we need to redouble our efforts. something clearly on the nation's agenda, in the spotlight now. this is the second day of meetings. there were meetings held monday put together by the vice president that the president walked in on to try to confront police officials who are some of his critics. that meeting had varying reviews of how well it went. the issue is that there's a dialogue under way, a very sharp dialogue, the president trying to move this situation forward. yet it is something that is going to take time, even he would admit that as we try to bridge this divide between some police communities, some police departments and the communities that they police. kristen? >> all right, ron allen.

i'm glad you reminded us of that quote, how much we ask of our police officers. i think that resonated with so many people. ron allen from the white house, thank you. joining me now the former mayor of new orleans and president of ceo of the national urban league, mark morial. i want to get to the president's meetings today at the white house. before we do, i want your take on what we heard from cameron sterling earlier today, the powerful message he had to protesters. what was your take? what was your reaction? >> i didn't have an opportunity, if you have an opportunity to play it. i was traveling. >> he essentially made this powerful plea to protesters to protest peacefully and protest in the spirit of what they're really trying to achieve. he's just 15 years old. so many people were struck by it. what do you make of someone so young drawing such a profound

conclusion? >> i didn't see it but i applaud his message. that message is, on behalf of his family, they are suffering and in pain, to exhort those who protest to do it peacefully. that's the tradition of civil rights in this country. that's the tradition that we believe people should adhere to. that's the tradition that organizations like the national urban league and many others support, the right to protest. if protests turn violent, then the message is lost, the message around the purpose of the protest which is justice, which is reform, which is in many cases systematic change. so i would ap plowed him. i really believe in an instance like this, we have families, whether it's the families of alton sterling, the families of those police officers in dallas, the families of philando castile, the families of those

in orlando and i could go continue to go on mother emanuel, families who are indeed suffering. we should follow their guidance, that they want advocacy around the change we need in this country, around the bridge building we need in this country, but it has to remain in the traditions of peace and not violence. >> it was so striking to hear that message coming from such a young man, marc. i want to talk about the meetings today at the white house, the president meeting with police officers, with mayors, with civil rights activists, what do you hope? what do you think can come of the meeting? are there real tangibles they can accomplish today? >> we need to have a frank conversation. i think my starting point is here in the 21st century, the needs and the nature of policing has changed. number two, we are at a point in this country of tension, of

conflict, of misunderstanding where leaders and people of goo will have to grab hold of the situation and understand it's about a conversation, but it's also about action. so what i hope we can achieve is a commitment really from police leaders and mayors with the support of civil rights and community leaders to take steps to implement the recommendations that the president's task force has made, some of the recommendations that we have made which we think would take us to a better climate around policing. look at dallas, and dallas the face of tradition but also dallas and the police chief and a police department that seems to have made important steps towards reform. and there are other examples across the country of police departments that have engaged in

efforts to deescalate, in efforts to build a community policing philosophy. and they've seen reductions in violence and crime. i hope what comes out of this is a commitment for concrete steps and conversation that's collaborative but honest and frank. >> you said something interesting, marc, that the needs of policing have changed. what specifically do you mean by that? >> well, there are many, many more gun opinions the street. it's far more violent, and we've also seen a diminution of those kinds of youth jobs, investment in programs that lift up youth, that have been supported by the federal government because of pushbacks on the federal budget. we've seen great efforts, but we have seen and we've got conditions of very, very high unemployment, particularly among

young men and young men of color in community after community across the nation. the national urban league reported on this in may. those numbers are stifling. the nature changes, and you made a comment about police officers being asked to be social workers and asked to respond to other problems. that's because we haven't focused on those other needs, and police tend to be the visible arm of government that exists in neighborhoods. so part of this conversation has to be what can we do that's positive to invest in the young people of america, the teenagers, the young adults? we have got to invest in them and we've got to give them a vote of confidence that it's not just about saying don't do this or don't do that, but here is what we should do on a positive basis and here is where we're going to meet communities, and it's communities and the federal

government, the state government, the private sector, the non-profit sector together that i think have to launch a revolution in investing in young people. >> i think what's so interesting, marc, there's broad bipartisan agreement that we're not investing enough in our young people, and you really underscore the critical point. marc morial, thank you for joining us this afternoon. appreciate it. it's a big day for donald trump. the trump university case back in court for the first tice time since the presumptive nominee took aim at the judge pre siegd over it. we'll discuss it when we come back. stay with us. iddle, the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon... then quickly fell back to earth landing on the roof of a dutch colonial. luckily geico recently helped the residents with homeowners insurance. they were able to get the roof repaired like new. they later sold the cow because they had all become lactose intolerant.

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you're looking at video captured just a short time ago of donald trump leaving the governor's residence just moments ago in indianapolis after meeting for more than an hour with governor mike pence. speculation is rampant that pence is one of the top choices to be trump's running mate.

we know from campaign sources trump will appear publicly with his vp pick on friday. meantime for the first time since donald trump called a federal judge hostile and mexican, that judge is hearing trump's case. trump drawing criticism from every went of the political spectrum. now the trump universe di case at the center of this fight is going back to fight. msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber joining us to break it down for us. what are we expecting today? >> there's a video deposition and a question about whether the video would come out. judge curiel who people now remember in politics, although no one heard of him before donald trump's attack, is going to oversee this and could make a decision today or soon after. donald trump made many comments, but in the interest of fairness and thoroughness, let's hear them. here is what he said about the judge. >> i have a judge who is a hater

of donald trump, a hater. he's a hater. his name is gonzalo curiel. we're in front of a very hostile judge. the judge was appointed by barack obama, federal judge. the judge who happens to be, mexican which is fine. >> he went on about this a lot which people may remember. we can fact check this and say it doesn't matter what the race of the judge is, that he's american, all of that. you don't really want to go too far down that hole, i don't think. but ultimately what will happen today is potentially the release of the video. if you got that video, it would be interesting, not because there's stuff we don't know, but because you would see donald trump, you would see what he looks like during these depositions. i can tell you according to the transcript, he sounds very different in that forum under oath avoiding questions than he does sometimes on the campaign

trail. >> melber, very interesting stuff, we know you'll be tracking it all day long. thank you for your reporting. >> you bet. hillary clinton due to make what campaign officials say is a major address on race relations today. it's happening in the old statehouse in springfield, illinois, a location with rich political history. with me from springfield is msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt and washington national political reporter for "the washington post" abby phillip. thanks for joining me. appreciate it. >> nice to see you. >> case zee, what are you expecting to hear from secretary clinton today? talk about this backdrop? >> reporter: a lot of symbolism. this old statehouse is where abraham lincoln delivered that famous address that a house divided cannot stand, one of the three most famous speeches during the course of his political career, talking then about slavery. this is the venue president

obama chose to announce his presidential campaign in 2007 and then to announce he had chosen joe biden as vice president in 2008. so hillary clinton obviously making a very deliberate pick in that regard. as for what to expect, i think we can hear echoes of the symbolism in that speech today. that's what aids have told us to expect. it's also going to be a continuation of the remarks she made immediately in the aftermath of the terrible shootings in dallas. you'll remember she canceled that event in scranton with joe biden. she did speak to african-american faith leaders. we heard her quote from the bible in that speech as well. we heard her talk about the need for healing throughout the country in the wake of the killings of the african-americans at the hands of police officers, but also what happened in dallas, kristen. >> i wouldn't be surprised if we heard similar themes today. kasie.

abby, i want to shift to you. we know trust has been an issue with secretary clinton. if you look at the polling, a lot of voters struggling to trust her. what's her strategy on this issue of improving race relations? >> a lot of the trust issue, especially that's showing up in the polls relate to the timing of the fbi director's comments of her handling of the e-mail issue. on race relations, i think hillary clinton has been trying very hard to be as frank as possible, to sort of address those african-americans by saying she understands where they're coming from, but also addressing white americans as a white person herself and basically asking them to do a little bit more. it's challenging for her because i think that there's so much distrust between the two sides. and she also leans on president obama quite a bit to do some of that. and that's one of the things that we'll likely see today as she's in springfield, a place

that has a lot of symbolism for the president as well. she leans on him for the sort of guidance of how to frame this in the context of history and other civil rights movements. >> abby, i want to talk specifically about what some of what you have written. you talk about clinton's love and kindness approach versus donald trump who is taking more of a law and order approach. what do you mean by the two different approaches that the candidates are taking? >> hillary clinton from the beginning has talked about love and kindness. her aides say this is something that goes back to the very foundation of who she is as a person. but it also is reflective of how she views this issue. she thinks if you can get both sides to the table, stopping people from sort of taking extreme positions and forcing them into their corners, you can make some progress. trump on the other hand has taken a very different route. some of his aides likened it to a nixonian way of approaching it. for republicans, this is more in

line with what republicans particularly do. they often side with law enforcement pretty staunchly. he's come out the last come days after being more conciliatory, in the last couple days he's indicated that black lives mat center a very divisive organization. >> great conversation. wish we could continue but we're out of time. kasie hunt and ap by phillip, thank you to both of you. tomorrow we'll start our live coverage of the republican national convention in cleveland here on msnbc. ahead, a changing of the guard at 10 downing street. british prime minister set to offer his resignation to queen elizabeth in about half an hour. why he's leaving his job month before previously planned. that's after a quick break. we'll be right back.

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prime minister david cameron will officially tender his resignation to queen elizabeth and theresa may will be taking over the role of prime minister. nbc's matt bradley is in front of the prime minister's residence in london. set the scene. this is a monumental day there. >> reporter: that's right. if you think american politics are crazy right now, british politics are particularly dramatic. in maybe less than an hour we'll see david cameron, the outgoing british prime minister address the country from here in front of 10 downing street. it's been just a couple hours since he was in front of parliament delivering his last address as prime minister to that legislative body. there he got a couple congratulations, cracked a couple jokes and he also engaged in that old british tradition of mocking the opposition labor party who are facing their own leadership crisis. in just a couple hours after that, we're probably going to

see the incoming prime minister, theresa may. she's going to be moving in behind me to 10 downing street and making a short address here after she visits buckingham palace and does this transition ceremony of kissing the hand of the queen. she's not actually going to be kissing the hand of the queen, but it's something of a swearing in. we're not expecting any images from that. it's a private ceremony. david cameron was known as a friend of barack obama. right now he's leaving this country in a major moment of instability, guiding it into a new era of economic change under a new prime minister. kristen? >> a lot of uncertainty. we know you'll be tracking the historic transition throughout the day. appreciate the report. >> thanks. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. thomas roberts picks up our coverage from new york right now. >> this hour on msnbc, donald trump and his family pay an unscheduled morning visit to the home of indiana governor mike

pence. will pence round out the trump presidential ticket? supreme spat. trump in an early morning tweet firing back at supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg saying her mind is shot after she publicly calls trump a faker. also ahead, investigators in louisiana are searching for a possible missing suspect in what they describe as a plot to kill police officers in baton rouge. four people arrested and several alleged stolen weapons have been recovered. this as funerals begin in dallas for police officers murdered in the line of duty. outgoing british prime minister david cameron will speak this hour before submitting his resignation to the queen. good to have you with me. i'm thomas roberts in for tamron at our msnbc world headquarters in new york. we continue with a new clue into who donald trump may pick as his running mate. in the last hour he was seen wlooefing the home of indiana governor mike pence. he spent about an hour there. his son don