we can't put jersey barriers up along all of our thoroughfares. we can get smarter and use smarter technology, i guess. >> yes, we can and we have to understand there's human elemen. this individual probably alienated to a certain degree, embraced undoubtedly some ideology. but there's an enabling community attached to these people. every terrorist has a family, whether it's biological or a social network. we'll find out more about him, whether or not this had a command and control element to it. but there is a community out there that's pushing this agenda and this ideology and that's the only way we're going to thwart these plots is to get into that group and stop these things from happening and have people report to thwart more plots. >> thank you very much, sir, for joining us for our coverage tonight and for being patient with us. i appreciate it. harold suters with us from southern california.

for those just joining us, it is midnight now in the east. 6:00 a.m. as morning dawns on the city of nice, france, along the mediterranean coastline, which last night was the scene of fireworks for their 14th of july bastille day, celebration, a national holiday. instead, it has ended with a death toll that has hovered all night long. around 80 souls with about 50 more injured. a lot of the dead are members of families. they sadly include little children, because that was the nature of the gathering, the nature of the crowd. here in our studio, we continue to watch along with us. what do you make of the last couple conversations we have had as while you're a young man, a veteran of the conflicts that you've witnessed in the middle east and the kind of constant tempo of warfare and terrorism there? >> you know, that's a really

good question. i see a very sad, cyclical pattern that continues to unfold. >> it is. >> why i say that is not so much in terms of the terrorism that is happening in western societies, but the reality of authoritarian regime that continue to perpetuate in the middle east and why those two are connected. if you look at the theme we're hearing from all of our guests throughout the night, including earl in the last segment, the profile of these attackers, some are describing them as young and alienated. we've heard from politicians saying they're drawn to this ideology, we've heard islamic radical terrorism. all of those are valid, valid questions. at the end of the day x there's a reality, a cesspool. a swamp of this ideology that exists. you look at the region where so much of this violence is taking

place on a daily basis, the iraqs of the world, the libya as of the world. this region of the world, the middle east is struggling just as much as anywhere else, if not more so in terms of the number of attacks. if you put in the last month, bangladesh, iraq, between syria, istanbul, tunisia, they've all been stricken by these attacks. yet, the government in those parts of the world continue to struggle to push any meaningful reforms. you were talking to the director of the cia, former director of the cia about what it takes to defeat this ideology. there's a lot that comes on the shoulders of what the u.s. can do with western allies in terms of military campaigns, in terms of resources, security at home. but i haven't heard anybody talk about well, what needs to be done to push those societies to create more polical plurality, more freedoms, more fro gres,

more interpretations and debates about their religion so this ideology cannot continue to be the most dominant force coming out of that region back on to our societies here in the west. >> we're also at war. i don't know what else to call this. while it may not feature beach landings or air strikes we're allowed to see and while it may be in slow motion, i don't know what other name to call it. >> this is war. the danger, though, is this a war of civilization? this is something that isis wants and if you take the words of former speaker of the house, newt gingrich and potentially -- >> sharia test. >> apply the test and he described it the western world is at war, this is a civilization war. this is a war that isis wants. extremists want. it allows them to start saying to those individuals around the world that may be feeling alienated, you belong to our

side. you need to come back to our side and this is where that fight is going to happen. forget the religious dimension of the comments made by newt gingrich. from a practical point of view -- and i hate to say i don't think newt gingrich is an expert on sharia law. but whose sharia law are you going to test? when you ask an individual, do you abide by sharia law, the person intent on harming you is going to answer truthfully and say i do believe in sharia law, therefore, i'm going to be deported, the logic does not compute given some of the individuals, the profiles of the types of attacks that we've seen. so i think that there's a lot of questions that are being asked right now. this is becoming a serious situation that's extremely frustrating on so many levels. we're seeing this repeated over and over. again, as we were hearing from the former cia director, you had a situation where france constantly uses the terminology islamic terrorism.

that didn't prevent them from ing attacked. they're being attacked even though they're still using the word islamic terrorism. i'm not sure that the labels in and of itself are going to provide a clarity to. in the 50 years i've been a journalist covering the middle east has anything changed. i see the same authoritarian regimes practicing the same tactics and adding the same frustration to ordinary young people that in some ways is retarding a religion and more so creating it drive for terrorists groups like isis and others to include more and more people. >> one young man's view of the stakes, he happens to be a veteran of the region. and now to the ground. i mentioned janet shamlian made her way to nice, france, having stayed up all night and made her way to the foothills nine or ten

miles outside of town. janet, this may be the quietest morning along that promenade in the modern history of nice, france, of course, for a horrible reason. >> reporter: absolutely, brian. usually, i mean at 6:00 in the morning here, you wouldn't see big crowds but people are running, they're walking. it's never really silent here on this boulevard. people are definitely out at this point. i'm going to turn this around and give you a little better view. there it is as you described. it is so glorious. this is about how it looks every morning in the summer. but this tranquility shattered by what has happened here. i am at a hotel. where you're looking at is just about 30 feet to the right of the frame where the truck was. it was actually stopped in front of the hotel. i can't quite give you that perspective. but if you see that stoplight

down there, about 30 feet to the right of that. if you look out into the water, you see kind of that white awning, it's probably hard to see from that vantage point, but i can still see overturned bicycles, somebody's luggage. what you would describe as evidence here that they will be processing. they will not let anybody try to get on the promenade anglais. >> you see a police car going by. they're still processing the scene. it's going to be a long process. they have shut down the boulevard for the better part of a mile and a half. ichts a very long stretch of this beautiful stretch of the mediterranean. >> janet, going by your description earlier tonight, it's not going to be hard for you to see and encounter americans. i also imagine it's not going to be hard to find people who are in a kind of state of suspended

animation and walking shocked for what they've seen, been through and god forbid if they're looking for someone. >> reporter: when i first got here about a couple of hours ago, the necessity gres coho tell lobby was full of people that looked like they were absolutely that, in shock. the hotel had brought down blankets and they were just sort of staring. they didn't look injured or look like they were looking for anybody. they were just in shock. i think that we will start to see a lot more video. i described one earlier that showed the truck taking gunfire from police. the gunman in the front wearing a helmet with his head, that helmet looking slumped over the top of the dashboard. and my guess is, as people who fled the scene and wake up this morning and realize what has happened, we'll get a better

idea of how it unfolded from all those videos that surely were taken. >> janet shamlian from her balcony. again, it's an incongruity. the words we're speaking don't match the pictures we're seeing. sunrise, that's the mediterranean. that's the french coastline. not far from the border of italy. some of the most beautiful coastline on earth where the latest and awful terrorist incident has happened overnight. janet, thank you. we know you have to get to your reporting for tomorrow morning our time and the additions of the "today" show in addition to msnbc overnight. steve clemons, he tore at large, the atlantic and msnbc contributor, he was with us early on in this. now we can see him on camera. steve, your thoughts since our last conversation, especially educated by the things we've learned about this.

>> brian, i think that the thing that goes through everyone's mind and i was very moved listening to a monday mohyeldin. how do you deal with the problem in society in a way that doesn't aggravate and make this worse? i think it's a very tough question. if this turns out to be the kind of terror we fear it may be. i think that one of the things we need to begin looking at is what is really a kind of global industrial level radicalization and ask ourselves how it's happening. i was looking at the numbers today of foreign fighters that have gone to fight with isis that have gone into syria and iraq who are now -- many of whom have gone back into their countries and gone there. the scale is truly staggering. we talk about the numbers of people and they sound large. we haven't looked at the fact that so many primarily young men but also some young women.

but primarily young men been owe alienated or hijacked by an idealology they're willing to be triggered into actions potentially if that's what this is as we've seen tonight. there's no easy answer but we need to throw resources at it in a way we haven't before. it's global. as isis is rolled back, they have ostensibly, they're preparing to tell their people they may actually lose ground and lose muscle and territory and they're calling on their followers to take action all over the world and to create incidents like the one we've seen unfold. this industrial level radicalization is something we need to aggregate and get our heads around. >> that message to the followers, it's called by the u.s. military a forced multiplier. in this case, it chills the blood. >> oh, absolutely. i think that you and i in the past and others have talked

about this. we're going incident to incident. when i was in brussels just moments after the bombs had gone off in the brussels airport and we've seen istanbul after that, we saw what just unfolded in bangladesh. and of course, incidents in the united states in belgium and other places. when you begin adding and looking it up, these are not boutique events. we need to begin looking at the equation of what this is happening, and i agree with ammon that, while many may be drawn into sort of a kinetic action, fehr rhett out or wall one's self out from other people, that's absolutely not the way. there's a problem in my view of an alienated youth that's hijacked by a horrific code to go out and murder in a way that we haven't seen in modern times.

this is something that should not be happening in modern times. i think we need to get our head around that. that is what i fear is happening. we're seeing places that are paradise. nice is paradise for many, many people at this time of year. we're seeing those places of joy, where families can come together and really be comfortable in what used to be a high trust world. a high trust world is being undermined by fear. we're going to have a high fear world. that's a very dark place to live. we don't want to relitigate the past, nor can we change it. where are you on the theory that american-sponsored wars in the persian gulf an american tactics have been the biggest recruitment tools? absolutely, i agree with that. i think many of my muslim friends and arab muslim friends

believe that their lives are cheap in the eyes of the west. i think that becomes a frame through which many either tried to agitate positively for change or are agitating negatively and violently for change. in the middle of that, because in part of actions that not only we but others have taken in the region, is you have dynamics where, in my view, the distrust and paranoia of many sunnis for the rise not of americans, not of europeans, not of us, but iran i can'ts and shias in their mind, it's created a paranoia about each other that will drive forward. while we may see french people and other international people dying in this particular case, in my view what's happened is an incredible tectonic battle

within the region that's animating this violence in all of these other places. until that driver -- in the 1950s, you're a student of foreign policy. you could imagine great leaders coming together and say, you know, the first place to start is to get the saudis and the iranians to dial down what they're animating against each other. because at some level, that is driving what young men are doing in airports and bombing and killing people and taking on action. it may seem distant, but it is connected at a level to the paranoia of the two sides of islam. >> i want to bring ammon into the conversation. he's still with us in the studio. i heard the word cheap invoked for the second time tonight. the first context was one of our guests sake this is this was a cheap delivery system for an attack that has taken so many lives in the name of islamic terrorism. second steve's point, the view

by the young people in the region that their lives are considered cheap by the united states and other western powers. >> you only have to look at the recent events of the region to see the reaction of the international community. it's something that manifests itself in many different ways. you had the terrorist attack that happened in baghdad killing around 280 people. you had the attack in bangladesh, the attack in istanbul and the attacks in the western world. they've all generated different responses from everything from facebook turning on a safety alert to the highest levels of government in terms of their interaction. now, all of that reinforces a point that steve made which i totally agree with having spent so much time in the middle east. the perception of what is taking place in the middle east is both a cheapness of the loss of life there. but also a double standard. an issue about values. we talk about the value that

mattered to the western world. and the lack of those values in the middle east and what we are doing to suppress those values. you know, not to harp on this point that was brought up by newt gingrich about sharia law. you look at countries like saudi arabia, which is a critical u.s. strategic ally, but saudi arabia has been involved in a war as steve mentioned in yemen against iranian proxies. we're on the side of the saudi arabians. for whatever reasons the u.s. has taken. it's not driven out of values that we support the saudi arabian government. at least that's the perception among the young men being drawn to this ideology. they look at it and say we're now involved in this sectarian war and the values that the united states as democratic, human rights, open society are not necessarily practiced in any part of the middle east to be quite honest. not in the same way. people look at that and say this

is something that's driven out of pure interest and not by values. as a result, the ideology becomes easier to recruit. it becomes easier to get extremists to buy into this narrative that what's taking place in the middle east, with many of the regimes and governments is not based on the respect of values but rather purely interests. their interests don't lie with these regimes. you can find disgruntled youth, impoverished youth and exploit them with an ideology that your life does matter. it may not matter in your country but it matters in our caliphate. if you become part of our eye dealing, lash out against the countries supporting these regimes and thor tear zahn regimes back home. >> mr. clemons, a last word on the topic. >> i think we've got to really think this through and i don't think that as we learn more about this particular incident, as we prepare for the next

incident that no doubt will happen, we need to begin connecting the dots here and saying that what is going on inside that region that is driving such radical violent behaviors is something that we need to throw resources, attention at and it's not one that you can kill your way through. it is a different beast. we really, really need to get our head around it. because it's reached a level of terror in our societies, but look what happened in baghdad, what a man just said. what's going on in the region. we need to demonstrate an empathy for what's happening, value them and basically detox fie this battle going on in the region involving so many others or this is going to be a story we're at late nights many, many days ahead. >> that i fear a lot as we grieve for the victims in this yet another act ofter rich. thanks very much for being patient with us and for joining us once again.

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what he witnessed in accented english. you'll hear a lot of french being spoken because his words are being translated back into french for an original french television audience. that said, here is one witness's account from tonight. >> he lost control. and he was moving inside like this, like this. i saw he's like holding something like a cell phone. i thought he will call the entrance. this is what i thought. >> this is all what we thought. even the police and in one second i saw him taking out his gun. again -- no, no, no. pistol. even though i was naive to think that maybe someone is attacking him from the other side, trying to defend himself.

until i saw the police, he started to shoot the police. he saw the police going in a -- the window. in that moment, the officer asked me and the people next to me to run because it was the gun shooting. in the middle of the gun shooting. >> a lot going on there. this is what we're finding. depending on where in the crowd and where along the deadly journey of that truck people encountered the scene, i believe it's safe to say that part of his story is that he thought it was a phone to call an ambulance. that it had been a freak and terrible accident. then he figured other things were going on. the presence of the helmet must have been an unusual sight. though people's minds are rushing to interpret just what it is they have just witnessed. then, of course, the gun. we believe and our experts have

theorized the phone could have been a way of detonating explosives in the cab, in the back of the truck on the terrorist's person. the driver was quickly dispatched by french security personnel and i'm quite sure when the story is told, there will be great tales of heroism and bravery by french police who chased after this truck on foot, unable to top it. at least one motorcycle cop was unable to stop it. then they kind of traced it to the end of this one kilometer plus journey. we'll get more on that distance in just a moment from an american friend of ours who was a witness from his apartment in nice to the aftermath. but imagine all the human tales along the way and some, of course, ended with loss of life. approximately 80 souls is the death toll we are going with tonight.

bob franken is a veteran american television journalist with an apartment in nice. bob missed the initial loss of life. the initial action, the truck ramming through the crowd. as i heard you explain it earlier tonight, bob, just a moment later you looked out of your balcony on the promenade there. how long a distance would you say this truck traveled in an area where there were people? >> well, as you said, it was probably more than a kilometer. but there were people everywhere. this entire walk on the mediterranean had just filled with pedestrians who were leaving their seats. they had watched the bastille day fireworks display and they were walking when all of this occurred. when the truck made its deadly run along the entirety of the

walk. starting at a famous hotel just down the street and going way up along this walkway. this is part of the promenade des anglais, the roadway along the mediterranean and then a pedestrian area. that's where he drove and did the terrible things that he did. by your telling, brian, this could have been worse, which is really kind of hard to fathom when you have any idea how gruesome it was when we were able to get out there and to see bodies littering the sidewalk. >> bob, we watched you for years covering washington for cnn. you're very familiar with rock creek parkway, east river drive in new york, lakeshore in chicago. for americans trying to envision this, envision those thoroughfares, busy during the day, but shut down on july 4th

in this country. july 14th in france for kind of family fireworks night. bob, it was very obvious for quite a distance that this was a temporary pedestrian mall tonight, right? >> oh, sure. i mean, this is a very heavily traveled roadway. obviously, it's not now. i should point out that what we're seeing now are a bunch of evidence technicians scouring the area. if i could provide a little bit more of a perspective here, the intersections that lead on to this promenade are all blocked by policemen with automatic weapons. so they want to have what amounts to a very, very long crime scene and they want to have all the latitude that they can possibly muster to try and continue their investigation, which of course, is going to take quite a while. but you likened it to the east

river, you likened to lake shore drive in chicago. that's a really good description. normally, what you have here are runners and bicyclists and people celebrating the mediterranean. but it was shut down this evening as it frequently is because there was a special event. this was bastille day. it's the most important patriotic holiday in france. and they had a fireworks display. for hours preceding, they had heavily patrolled it. we're all used to that. seeing heavily armed police at just about any public event. then the fireworks display went off. just as it was finishing, this gruesome event occurred. >> bob, how long have you had an apartment over there and as part of the answer in that time, how have you seen security at least the public display of security change? >> well, this is a temporary rental. this is not my apartment.

but in the time that we have been coming here, which is a long time, we've seen the world change. it was much more lackadaisical, the airports were much less protected. now, whatever airport you go into, whether france or the united states or great britain, you see heavily armed police with machine guns in effect protecting and this is what's happened here. >> bob franken, as we learned tonight, a rental resident of nice. but an american over there to give us an american perspective of what he saw from his rental apartment tonight. just right below him on the promenade on the mediterranean. back to cal piper i with more. >> i want to jump in before malcolm. i've done some digging here. this is the isis magazine. this is from an issue in 2010.

they talk about the inability to get your hands-on certain weapons and they write, "you can still carry -- burning down forests and buildings or by running over them with you your cars and trucks." if you can kill a disbelieving european or american or the filthy frenman or any other disbeliever from a waging war, what i would submit is most of the middle east is watching the images come in from syria, from libya. barrel bombings every day. this is a broader war on peaceful nations. this is a war against nations that are not in this state of constant war. i spend the majority of my day looking through isis propaganda videos, looking through horrible images of bombings in syria and libya. if you live in the middle east and you turn on al jazeera, that's what you're getting day in and day out. this kind of propaganda, isis propaganda, coupled with the

kinds of things we're hearing in the u.s. election cycle leads to a variety of difficult conversations, important conversations that need to be had. i will tell that you sharia is trending on the east coast of the united states on twitter. >> to quote newt gingrich tonight, anybody who goes on a website favoring isis or al qaeda or any terrorist groups, that should be a felony and they should go to jail. our next guest, malcolm nance was with us earlier tonight from philadelphia. miracle of the age of rail transportation, he has made his way to new york. i'm going to read mal mom nance's full bio. 30-year veteran of counterterrorism, officer for the u.s. government's special operations, homeland security and intelligence agencies. two decades on clandestine, anti-terrorism, counterterrorism, intelligence operations. veteran of the u.s. navy.

arabic speaking intelligence collections, operator and field interrogat interrogator. author of the book, defeating isis. i also happen to know your french is better than mine. i'm going to hand you this chief of morning papers. read out the headlines for us. >> we have from nice, you have so carnage in nice. from another one. you have the new horror. la provence has the attack in nice. france has been struck again. there's 14 july, death in nice. and once again, the horror from another magazine. >> having read that and superbly done, what do we do about it? >> i think the world needs to

step back a little bit. every time we have an attack that occurs in the west, it's sort of taken out of context with like how perry was saying a moment ago. from all of the attacks happening in the orient, happening in the middle east, north africa. we have to understand that isis and al qaeda views this mortal combat that they're having as a clash of civilization. every time we do a bombing campaign, they view their attacks asir version of a bombing campaign. so we're actually like two boxers who are exchanging blows whereas we in the west, we can get off about 1500 blows a month in terms of air strikes, the capacity to grade their combat fighting ability in libya, syria, iraq. but for them, if they can get off one hit, one hit and it makes the headlines that we have today, we're literally three billion people will know about that attack in less than 10 or 15 minutes. then they actually have greater

capacity to claim victory. so long as we're exchanging punches, you have to understand they're not going to stop any time soon. this isn't a new normal. it's been a new normal since 9/11. it's just now in the twitter and facebook age, it's faster and you see more of that information. as these attacks keep coming, it appears as if there's a higher intensity and greater crescendo. we've had attacks, the 2004 attack on the train stations in madrid, spain, killed 200 people in just one morning. in one series of attacks. right now, france in the last nine months has lost about that many people. but they're not going to stop any time soon. and the attacks that we suffered inhe united states, that's the future as isis gets degraded. they're going to be a ghost caliphate where everything is virtual.

everything becomes self-inspired. and they will carry out these attacks with whatever weapons systems they have at hand. because the ideology makes them believe that they are self-inspired soldiers of god acting on god's behalf. >> that must, what you've just described, confound the commanders of our military industrial complex. because the blows we land couldn't be more spectacular in their way or high tech. what is it nellis air force base in nevada. we have incredibly trained and skilled people with a joystick and a trigger. they fire off these attacks and they dispatch very rapidly these al qaeda leaders and lieutenants. it works when it works with incredible precision. the parallel, the absolute corollary in terms of low tech is a 6,000-pound white container truck plowing through a crowd of families tonight in france.

>> sure. we actually teach this in our counterterrorism intelligence courses. a car is considered a 2,000-pound weapon system. tonight they've used a 6,000 pound. 3 1/2 ton lorry as a weapons system. it's as low tech as possibly, because remember this is a form of jude owe. if they can't get through the security barriers and build t.a.t.p. plastic explosives, acquire large quantities of weapons, then you don't take a ten-man team. you don't take a four-man team. you take a one-man team and you steal a truck and turn it into a weapons system. israel is getting hit by the attacks for two years. they've had 48 of these suicide vehicle as weapon attacks. they've killed individuals in the ones. one palestinian drives into a checkpoint, a bus stop full of israeli soldiers, kills one.

this case, this was clearly designed to be as spectacular as possible, go down the he is plan add and kill as many human beings as possible. almost like the computer game where you drive around los angeles and you strike pedestrians. this is in the mind of the terrorist. the mind of any one individual could come up with plans just as devious and as horrible. >> one more question and then we have to get in a break. are we lucky every day here? >> sure, we're lucky every day. but we also have a law enforcement apparatus that's much bigger than europe. we have 1.5 million policemen in the united states. set aside everything that's happened over the last few weeks with regards to race relations in the united states. every person in this country knows, when we are hit, we rally around our law enforcement. we rally around our first responders. because we know they're always

there to protect us. i'm always shocked when i come back to the united states and i see police cars everywhere. when you go to europe, i have to look for them. only when they have heightened security and squads of four soldiers going out at a time. but that doesn't guarantee you're not going to get hit either. france is the size of two states. new york state and pennsylvania for the most part. you know, most of europe is the size of the northeast united states. i literally drove through four countries two weeks ago in less than two hours. that gives you an idea of the enormous problem they have. we in the united states, our society is one of our greatest shields. but then again, we're coming to the point now where we're going to start having issues with free speech actually inciting the terrorists, which is the greatest weapon they have. which is the degradation of our own laws and values in order to enhance them and make them appear 20 times larger than they are. >> i say this with affection.

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welcome back. as our coverage continues, two guests with us to talk to in this segment. starting with one eyewitness, robert jones, of the u.k. in nice on vacationment robert, thank you for being patient with

us. start with the moment you knew there was something wrong and this was not for example, a case of failed brakes on a large truck. >> sure. thank you for having me. essentially, i was having drinks with some friends on a balcony on the promenade. and what happened was after the fireworks display and there was a few fireworks made by individuals on the beach. obviously, we stood up to have a little look and have a few laughs as people getting rather excited on the beach. then, when we noticed the truck traveling at 60 miles per hour, 70 miles per hour, obviously he took a very obvious -- he veered on to the main strip of the promenade where the pedestrians were walking. it was clear from after that ten seconds of him driving that, it didn't look like an accident.

it was more kind of aim, aimed at pedestrians. that's when essentially we saw 20-plus in about ten seconds. obviously, my eyes were fixed on the 20 people mowed down by the truck. it was going down the promenade. that's essentially when we knew. >> when we first heard reports of this tonight, we were praying that it was a case of failed brakes or a transmission or locked up in gear. did that occur to you? was it just so obvious by the physical motion of the truck perhaps, the trajectory back and forth that it was intentional? >> i mean, i think with most things, you always hope that's the case. i think i've obviously never seen anything like this. initially, you do think, you know, maybe an accident the way -- a stroke or a heart

attack. it was quite obvious -- the promenade des anglais goes the angle. watching it follow the angle. it's clearly obvious after a good 10, 20 seconds that it was no accident. but like you said, you always hope that's what it is. but it's not the case sniemts robert jones, thank you for being patient with us and offering your perspective of the horror you took in tonight in nice and france. as we look at this video again, one of our experts earlier tonight took one glance at it and said the lights are off on the truck and that's the first indication it just looks so menacing. that's all the video we ever want to see. because at the other end, those are the scenes people keep talking about tonight. dana kennedy is here with us. not quite an american in paris. but american journalist in france for the past decade. reporter for the daily beast,

formerly with abc news. fox news and we're proud to say msnbc. dana, it's good to see you. terrible circumstances. what are your thoughts about what is now home for you? >> i spoke to as many friends as i could tonight, including terry clark who you had on later. it was shocking to see these people -- >> who i have seen the fireworks at that very, very same location with. there was such a disconnect in their voices when terry was sitting on a green patch and saw a big van, a bloody bus. she thought it was part of the show for a second. she saw it run over people in front of her eyes. my friend a former irish priest was walking his dog. he saw a crowd rushing to him and ducking and diving. he saw a man with his legs blown off, not blown off but cut off and a child squashed he said. he said he went numb. he's a priest. he wanted to help. and he couldn't. there was no way to help these

dying people and there were bodies everywhere. very, very shocking for me. you see the blue chairs on the promenade. it's the bay of angels. it's a poetic and myth i can place and it looks like a movie to me. i don't believe it happened. though i know it did. >> it really -- nice as an american kind of consuming what we get in culture had a gang land reputation. that made it convenient for books and movies. but really, this view of nice is the start of the gold coast, up near the italian border. and then you go down to places like the hotel not far there fr there, maybe where you can spend the most on a hotel room anywhere on earth. >> most beautiful hotel in the world. that's the myth i can nice. monaco is up the coast. that's frightening about seeing it. at the same time, brian, what makes me very sad when i see this and i hear the intellectual discussion, which is fair and very, very bright people. but i think of my friends and i

call them of north african descent. they're muslims, their religion is not about running people down with a bus. there are a lot of people in france who are muslims who are not the people donald trump is referencing. even the discussion of yves sis hang out with young muslims who are fundamentalist muslims. they're not terrorists. they work against isis. they work against it but you've never know it. they know who they recruit. they don't go to the mosques. they go to the delinquents, the drug dealers. this guy we were finding out now, from friends of mine who were muslims, they texted me who he was. they said he was the -- it's a list of containing people in france that the cops have on their radar. he did have petit crimes. that's what isis is, in my opinion. punks and thugs and mercenaries, not real religious scholars. the guys in the mosques will

tell you, they won't come to us because we know the real islam. it's difficult for me, not to excuse anything but my muslim friends there get tarred with this brush. you feel like you can't defend them anymore. no one will understand. >> if your muslim friends were here on this roundtable and i've been asking them, what do you do about a guy with a truck and a bad idea and perhaps troubles in the head? what's the solution? >> you know, they don't really have one. it's frustrating to me. i'm very close with the rector of a mosque in different areas. what they do a lot of them give courses in europe. it's not a sexy story. you don't read about this. they give courses training young muslims to fight isis or daesh. you don't hear about it that much. this one guy, one 31-year-old

has all the power in this one fight to do what he did. as i said, it tars everyone with the same brush. >> that's the concern, this thug and those who see what this one thug can pull off. the amount of attention we're giving this thug and those, again, god forbid driving around the streets of new york or l.a. tonight who aspire to what this thug did. >> i don't think really it's -- france can do this and france can do that. france is incredibly tough. they will survive this. this is not going to continue. each if it continues for another decade or two. they can't solve this as my friend terry clark said. she doesn't understand where the bloody bus came from. i don't either. the area we're talking about, brian, i live about five minutes from it, is very closed off. i can't imagine -- i would like someone to look into how that van made its way on to a place that's roped off and barricades. it makes no sense. why didn't someone see it making

its way down there. >> it's maybe people thought it was the truck bringing barricades down there. maybe people thought -- but it doesn't look to have had working taillights, say nothing of running lights or headlights. >> it's a massive truck. this is france. everything is small. that looks like it came out of the san diego freeway. >> that's big for a lorry in europe, you're right. the confines are different. the gauge of the roads is different. i'm told kevin baron of defense one wants to get in on this conversation. kevin? >> thanks, brian. i was just listening to dana and her comment about how this is one individual who wants to make such a big splash. it goes right into a policy makers have been saying here. just today or yesterday by now, the white house counterterrorism nick rasmussen was in the house, homeland security committee and in his testimony said that this is the new worry. it's not just terrorism inspired individuals. it's terrorism inspired and

disturbed. it's that combination of two things. you get the one guy who gets the gumption to go through with the attack and copycat attacks. they're worried about copycat attacks like orlando where an individual can cause as much harm as they can. that's their new concern. in the same testimony, he also said that there are now more threats coming from more countries than ever before in the last 15 years. so it gives you an idea that even at the white house level, they know what the threat is, they know the difficulty, and it's exactly what we're describing. it's not all of islam. it's not all of the terrorism networks. it's a combination of that with the one disturbed individual taking the gumption to go through with the attack and get the attention that we're giving it because we have to give it. that's our job. >> dana, when do you go back and a second question, when do you want to go back?

are you pining to go back because of the harm that's been brought to what's been your home of ten years? or does it now pain you to think about it? >> it pains me to think about it. but as i said before, the germans blew up a beautiful thing in the promenade. it's no longer there. but it's still there. france does survive. it sounds cliche. i'm going back for a month next week. i'll be reporting from there. >> thank you for being patient with us all evening long. we've had guest after guest kind enough to come on and explain and give us their perspective and their expertise. but it's good to see you. on american soil. thank you for coming back. we are going to take a break at the top of this hour, when we come back from that, our friend and colleague aman mohyeldin is going to take the next anchor leg of our coverage as we continue to cover this story as

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