>> hey there, everyone, good day to all of you. i'm alex witt live in cleveland, ohio, where a matter of hours from now, republicans plan to rock the city t. presumptive nominee revealing his right-hand man for the first time. >> i would like to introduce a man who i truly believe will be outstanding if every way and will be the next vice president of the united states. governor mike pence. >> this hour, an in-depth look at what indiana's governor brings to the trump ticket and what it all means in a general election fight against hillary clinton, who is already taking aim, taking a blistering response online to trump's vp pick. that is where we begin this hour. widespread reaction to governor mike pence as his vp pick. before welcoming his running

mate to the stage, trump made it clear why he picks pence. >> the strength of indiana has been incredible and i learned that when i campaigned there. and i learned that when i won that state in a landslide. >> and to roar ache plus a there, governor pence wasted no time going after hillary clinton. >> for donald trump wants to cut tax, hillary clinton plans to raise taxes. on working family, fall businesses and family farms. where donald trump is committed to repeal obamacare lock stock and barrel [ applause ] >> hillary clinton looks at obamacare as a good start and wants to take bernie sanders' path down to single payer socialized medicine. hillary clinton must never become president of the united states of america. [ applause ] >> nbc's katy tur is joining me

from new york. your big take away from today is what? >> reporter: well, number one, that donald trump spent 30 minutes before he bought the to governor pence, mostly talking about himself, act his victories during the primary and his successes, one of which being in real estate, talking about the d.c. hotel that he managed to get approvals for and the contract for down in washington, d.c., before getting to governor pence and while he was introducing governor pence, justifying, if you will, why governor pence endorsed somebody else. of course, he endorsed ted cruz during the primary. donald trump endorsed him half heartedly, it was an endorsement for trump, because he spent time talking about trump, calming it the best fawn endorsement that he's ever goen, when he spoke about pence, he talked about his record in indiana, talked about how he was fighting for conservative values. that is obviously something that trump needs to strengthen in some of these battleground

states. it's what the campaign hopes to strengthen in order to be able to gain more votes in battleground states, indiana, places like ohio and michigan. then up to wisconsin and potentially even pennsylvania. governor pence, though, a social conservative. he is a controversial one at that. in indiana, he signed the religious rest rakes act. which was accused of allowing businesses to discriminate against lgbt people. a lot of blowback from lbgt aggressive xhuns and blow back from business communities. after that, governor pence walked that back and then got accused of being a turn coat by social conservatives. despite that, the campaign believes that governor pence is the person to balance out this ticket. donald trump is very free wheeling, as we saw today, governor pence not bad at all. he is scripted. he is on message in a way donald trump has not been this season t. campaign not wanting a second

liner but wanting to maintain the attention on their lead man, donald trump. >> two guy, two different styles. katy tur in new york. thank you so much for that. how will it play here at the rnc convention? halle jackson is here. welcome to you. trump basing this based in part on party unity. will it work? >> reporter: that's the hope for the trump campaign. they want to make this move. trump is selected pence in order to calm the waters with skittish republicans anxious about how next week will go, how the next four months will go, given there is a contingent of people, not just the never trumpers, we have been talking about it, alex, people like the bushes. people like ohio governor john kasich in his home state, by the way, hosting the convention won't be actually on stage. it's moves like this, bringing pence in, somebody that has some

relationships from his time in congress whork has relationships from his time in indiana and can help when over some of those rust belt states, possibly, at least that's what the trump campaign is hoping. unity will be the buzz word here in cleveland for the next what, six days or so? it was one of the buzz words trump used in his speech, rolling out mike pence pick. listen. >> mike pence will never be afraid to speak the name of our enemy, so important. now, i think if you look at one of the big reasons that i chose mike, and one of the reasons is part unity, i have to be honest. so many people have said party unity. because i'm an outsider. i want to be an outsider. i think it's one of the reasons i won in landslide. i won in landslide. this wasn't close. >> reporter: and to just give you a sense of some of the reaction, alice. you know, for example, house speaker, paul ryan, will be on

stage next week has been praiseing pence. he calls him the heart of the conservative movement, essentially, saying that's where he comes from. that is a message you will hear from mike pence, when he talks about he is in indiana, that's what you hear, talking about pence is a conservative pick. some folks i talk to in cleveland. they aren't a fan, they believe him choosing pence was sort of the smart way to shore up part of his base. >> therein lies the ideology of the course. thank you so much, halle jackson. see you later. so for reaction, robert trina, national reporters, good friends to me, glad you are here, it's kind of fun? >> welcome to cleveland. let's play a little more of mike pence, we haven't from him. let's play mike pence, some of that, everybody. >> elects are about choices. i also join this ticket. because the choice could not be more clear. the stakes could not be higher.

americans can choose a leader who will fight to make america safe and prosperous again and bring real change or we can elect someone who literally personifies the failed establishment in washington, d.c. >> give me a grade, if you will, how did he do and did he calm the minds of republicans who are wary or put off a bit by donald trump? >> a plus for staying on the message. a plus for being calm. look, this is his first introduction if you will on the national stage as mike pence the next potential vice president. he did a good job. republicans i don't know, evangelicals a plus. mike pence is a social conservative, a christian. that's the reason why he was place on the ticket to unify the party. he does bring bonified credentials to the ticket. you remember, a lot of conservative conservatives don't

know where he stands on lbgt, abortion, down the list. >> how about, though, as he faces more scrutiny. there are many polls that show he is not well known to the public. he will become more known. he passed that law banning abortions because of genetic arm abnormalities and the second state to do so. last year got the major blowback from the lbgt community. so any of these issues, might they be a as a resultnerably for the trump ticket? >> probably issues and people will learn is he is someone talking to the base t. reason donald trump pickled him is he wants to shore up the evangelical christians in indiana who voted for him and put him in office. is he going after the people that are interested in hillary clinton? are they interested in social moderate? mike pence doesn't help you in that area. if you are looking at someone who will be looking at someone you can introduce to the national stage, i was looking at

those same holes, people are undecided and people up to 86% of people don't know who he is. you have two people that are so well known, hillary clinton and donald trump. they are so well people in some ways have already made up their minds before the first debate or the issues, they have argued about between them. so i think having mike pence and having him introducing him to the country might in some ways help donald trump. >> moderates? how do they fair? >> i think to your earlier point, alex, a lot of people don't know who mike pence s. i'm afraid, though, when you look at his record, it's really conserve five itive. if are you a moderate, you may say, donald trump may not have the temperment, at the second part of the ticket. you look at abortion, social issues, he's not my guy. if are you a moderate, i'm not sure. this is why hillary clinton's pick next week will be so critical. >> she released this ad and looked at mike pence in this ad.

we will look at these positions here him check it out, everyone. >> protesters say it allows businesses to discriminate against gay people. the indianapolis star municipal urges mike pence to fix this now. at least nine executives have criticized legislation. >> are you willing to hold up this entire buck over de-funding planned parenthood? >> mike pence did not mince words saying trump and pence were two small, insecure, weak men. have they opened up cultural and gender battles you think democrats seem eager to engage in? >> i think they are eager to engage in. this idea of picking pence, it in some ways goes into the idea

who they were thinking about when they were thinking about their platform. the republican platform, the ones that passed. they were people brought to tears asking the republican party to even have a conversation about gay rights. the idea that they weren't. this woman wasn't trying to change the platform, wasn't trying to say, we should all accept accept the constitution. the republican establishment said, no, we are not even interested in that. i think when you see these ads, you see hillary going after mike pence, this idea they're going after the republican party. they're saying this is what the republican party is. it is not a party that no longer aligns with a modern people or aligns with the republican party badly needs. you think of what happened after 2012 and the coptopsee, this pick goes along the sources that they wanted to change about the

republican party. >> this is a base election. this is a race to the bottom. we know donald trump and hillary clinton have high unfavorable ratings. what donald trump is bank on, he may win, it's a narrow path to victory. he doubled down on social conservatives, look, if you come out to vote in droves in pennsylvania and ohio in this state but also to florida, i can win. >> quick in terms of optics, the new campaign logo. what do you think about? that last one -- >> it's much better remember you got to remember, the trump campaign is lean and mean there are a lot of folks that are just kind of almost clip art figure you will. i will remind a couple days ago, we had that hillary clinton star of david as well. they had to take that down. the trump campaign is learning on the ground. this is the b team. this is not the a team. >> everyone is like take a pause for a second and think of the ramifications when you put that out there? >> the quick thing i'll say is his campaign make america great again. even though some people think about the idea in the optic, he

was able to beat 16 people with that message. >> point well taken. >> this is true. >> all right. thanks, guys. this hour, we are keeping an eye on two developing stories overseas for you. turkey's president well cold back home after an attempted coup by his military. what is next for turkey and what does it mean for americans traveling in turkey. why a man killed people with a box rug? that and more when our live coverage from cleveland continues right after a break. ♪ take on the unexpected with a car that could stop for you. nissan safety shield technologies, available in the altima, sentra and maxima. now get 0% apr for up to 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash.

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erdogan of playing the role in turkey which killed 160 people. fethullah gulen is now describing. cal, welcome, why does everyone believe gulen is behind the coup? >> he's a political enemy. this is the part that the president of turkey returns to his country after extraordinary events that literally saw him stranded overseas, that saw his supporters have to retake istanbul's airport. now he's going to purge the military. he has already arrested hundreds of members of the turkish military who he says were involved in this coup. at this point really a mutiny than a coup, because it very clearly failed. erdogan is back in charge. as for this cleric, he lives in pennsylvania. he fled turkey in 1999 and in 2013, he was accused of corruption by erdogan. so he's a political enemy. he runs a group, you are looking at video of him there. this group is really a group

labeled as moderate islam pro western. those are the words of the fork times, so he is a political enemy. this is erdogan's chance after what happened last night to do a bit of house keeping you. >> explained it. he's a guy that would lean to his religious rite. i thought a cleric. if he's a moderate, pro western, that explains it right there. how about the white house? >> they are calling for calm, a return to the quote rule of law. this is a wait and see period t. concern is the airbase that the united states runs its air operations over syria from. this is a key military installation for the united states and erdogan is saying, listen, you have to release this cleric. you have to extradite him to turkey is putting the news a difficult position. it's a bit of a game of chicken. keep in mind, turkey needs the united states just as much as the united states needs turkey. i do not expect this diplomat ig

rile will turn into something too serious. right now, it's a lot of saber wrestling. >> thank you very much. let's turn into nice, france, questions still remain why he rammed a large crowd there, leaving 84 people dead, more than 200 injured. five people have been detained in connection to the attack. one is the suspect's ex-wife a. colleague chris jansing has the latest on this. good evening, your time, authorities learn anything more about the motives? >> well, they had a press conference today. but there really wasn't any in-depth information. there was one suggestion by a french official perhaps he had been quickly radicalized. nothing to support that. in fact, lots of conversations by lots of different journalists including the french press agency talking to family members, talking to friends, has

nod yielded anything that would suggest he ever went to the mosque, that he was particularly religious or that he was anything but a troubled 31-year-old. someone who is known as a petty criminal to local police. he had been in trouble with the law, given a hix sex-month sentence for road rage. apparently was abusive to his wife. she threw him out. they were living separately. police have looked at both apartments, which included three children, where he lives now, which is alone, but nothing to give a real clear picture of the motive for why someone would get into that truck, suggestive to police that stopped him, that he was carrying ice cream, clearly, he was not. then drive so fast down this road, down the promenade des anglais and killed people, 25 are said to be in intensive care. let me bring in a long-time american in paris, chris dickey,

who often helps us in this situation. a long-time contributor to nbc. how frustrating is this to police? do you feel they are closer to something they may be letting on? >> i think they are pulling at every string they k. they have five people in custody, including the ex-wife the estranged wife. they are grilling them very hard to see if they can get an inkling of what made this guy pop. so far as i think you just suggested, they haven't come up with much. i think the interior minister said maybe he was radicalized quickly. nothing authortative. >> let's talk about the move here. it's really quite remarkable if we look behind me, this is a scene at this memorial that has been steady all last night, from the time i have been here this morning. dozens of people, hundreds of people, people leaving there crying. what's the mood and clearly

there's pressure on this government to step up security. >> well, that is. that's why they are calling tout reserves. that's why they are keeping. >> thousands zblchl they're keeping, they already have something operation sentinel that was in place for the soccer championships that were taking place. >> that will be extended through end of the sum were. that's 10,000 troops deployed at the border for major events around the nation in full battle gear. >> reporter: some of we in the united states know them as reserves calling up the reserves, essentially? >> that's between the police. the 10,000 are a regular army on the borders on the borders, the cousin of the interior minister was saying they have turned away 28,000 people over the last couple of months who were trying to get into the country one way or another illegally. so there's a lot going on, whether that makes people fooem feel more secure after 84 people are mowed down here on the

promenade des anglais i'm not sure it does. >> reporter: after the two incidents, "charlie hebdo" and the bataclan, where you and i spent so much time toke in november. meantime, police are asking for help, they're asking anyone who has videos, pictures, that might be useful to them to give them to the police. i spoke to a university of georgia student. let me play for you a little of what he told me. when did you realize something was very wrong? >> we saw four police cars speed past us at high speeds in the pedestrian area and we looked where they were going and saw hundreds of people running towards us. so my friends starting to film and we realized two seconds later that was a very bad idea and we started running in the same direction. >> reporter: he actually said he only had a few seconds worth of tape because people were literally running for their life, they're going out into the waters. how confident do you think they are that they're going to get to the bottom of this? >> well, if this was just a

deranged individual, what is the bottom of it? did he maybe see some videos or hear something or read something from some radical group and decide, well, that's what i'm going to do? how do you get to the bottom of that? that's what really scares them. there was testimony recently, a couple of months ago by the head of the internal security service in france. he clearly is scared. up with of the things they are scared of is people like the guy who can crack at a moment's notice, they're never going to be cracked before they go crazy and do something horrible and then later you have a claim by some terrorist group, whether the islamic state or somebody else. all of that builds this tension. one of the things he brought up is real concern the far right will start exploiting this and attacking muslims and creating an environment. he used the word that's something like civil war. that's really extreme. but that's the kind of concern that exists in the security

services of france right now. >> reporter: thank you very much, chris dickey. as we are watching what's unfold income cleveland with our politics. a lot of politics here as well t. president francois hollande being heavily criticized. he is up for election next year. some kwle he will run again or if he could ever be elected. so while have you this disquiet at the very least, places like paris and here in nice have come under attack, there is also this political backdrop of what will happen next here in paris after what's happened in the uk with brexit and all of the and turkey as well, so it's just adding to the political unrest we have seen in so many parts of europe and, of course, now the questions of who will be the next president of the united states where are you. alex. >> all right, we see deep seeded ramifications to all of this. thank you so much. we are just moments away from a

welcome home rally in sinesville, indiana, for mike pence, he officially became donald trump's vice presidential candidate today. we will continue on the other side of this short break.

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been here a few hours t. doors shuai opened a short time ago for members of the public to come in. it's a hangar. so it's a back lift sort of scene for you there. there are 400 people here in this hangar. what we are learning is that governor pence is running behind. i'm not sure anyone in the crowd knows that yet. but this was a very busy day for him and his wife and daughter if new york. of course, it was the big debut with donald trump, then a sit-down interview. then he put out on social media a photo, where they were stopping for a quick bite to eat in new york before coming back here. so what we expect is he is traveling by private plane and will last land somewhere in the next hour to hour-and-a-half. that is running behind schedule. then he will speak to the folks here t. idea behind this okay, he left indiana, just as the governor of indiana and that is a big enough job on its own. but coming back, he is now the running made for a controversial interesting one of a kind-type

candidate donald trump, beginning a whole new chapter on the gop ticket. so there are many people in indiana who are republicans who voter for trump. he is joining forces with his first time governor, he won big here. we expect it to be personal than earlier today a. homecoming they are calling it. there are some people in the crowd who know the governor or have worked with him in some way in the past and it's opened to the public. so any supporters who want to show up, he'll be waiting for them. alex. >> hey, i'd come join you, but i think it's a little too far for me to get there in time. even if it is running on time. thank you very much. the hillary clinton campaign is responding to donald trump's announcement today, call, pence the most conservative pick in a generation. nbc kristen welker joins me with the latest. well to you. the clinton campaign tough word for today. >> tough words. i spoke with one campaign person

who said the strategy moving forward will be to highlight the fact that they see him a it is most conservative pick in a generation t. fact that he is opposed to same-sex marriage, he draws a hard line on abortion rights. they released this statement. alex, i'll read it to you, quote, we were prepared to respond in many ways with the way mike pence is the most decisive pick. after publicly waffleing over his own choice, trump spent more time today making false attacks on hillary clinton. several of which could be leveled against pence and talking about his own business than his own running mate. it turns out you can force trump to make a choice and give him a speech, he is always going to be trump t. campaign also released this online video, jabbing trump for his indecision over the pence take him take a look. >> you have to follow your instinct. you have to follow your gut.

we have some trick potential candidates for vice president. i'm actually looking at ten people. >> we have it down to five people. i'm at three, potentially four, but if my own mind i probably am thinking about two. >> reporter: donald trump has made his decision tonight. it will be indiana governor mike pence. no, haven't made that decision yet. i will make it today or maybe tomorrow. >> reporter: so that will be the strategy moving forward, alex, but look, in my conversations with clinton campaign officials, they say mike pence is a person that can't be under estimated. they feel he was strong today. he was on message. he certainly helps in states like indiana, like ohio. so they're going to be quite aggressive in terms of going after him and pointing out all of those policy decision they think will drive away a lot of democrats and those people pivotal to winning the white house. >> i don't know, i think secretary clinton has taken a page out of trump's

entertainment ad book. i found it humerus. i was laughing with my good friend mark murray. who will be joining us. hillary clinton met with democrats this week, a possible attempt at easing jitters after a fallout from her investigation. according to the website "the hill" the democrats are "freaked out" over the latest poll numbers. we will talk with that with senior democratic mark murray. mark, we'll talk first about these latest numbers. very, very tight race, particularly battleground states, everyone. let's look at the numbers in iowa. >> that is certainly within the margin of error, clinton's 42, up 8% there. this state here it is a dead heat at 39. >> i have two take aways from all the polling we have seen, ki count 14 battleground states polls we have seen in the last 72 hours. one, you are a right, this is a competitive race. this is no blowout lead at all

for hillary clinton. but the other big take away is she does have the lead in most of the battleground polling we have seen so far. so, yes, are you right. it's a tied race in ohio, according to our marist poll. she is up 3 points in iowa but look where the race is in some of those other diverse states, particularly with diverse electorate. she is up nine points in virginia. 8 points in colorado. six points in north carolina. and so you kind of look at those states right now and look at all the different paths to 270. you have to conclude hillary clinton has a slight lead. >> okay. fred, how about you? do you think these numbers show any grim reality that the e-mail controversy of secretary clinton? it's not as easy to dismiss as democrats would like it to be. because looking at this associate press gfk poll more than half of americans think hillary clinton broke the law.

four in ten nearly think she did intention ally. so how long does this stick around? >> reporter: look, i think the polling and the reality is, you know, if you are a hillary clinton supporter, what the fbi director said, you know, made this a non-issue. if you were against her, it's a big issue. look, i agree with mark. i think right now mrs. clinton probably has a narrow lead and trump can win but i think as mark would agree, he would have to winll of these battleground states that president obama carried in '08 and 2012. that's theoretically doable. the races are close. but for donald trump to really run the table in these states, it would take a perfect campaign and i'm not sure we're seeing donald trump running a perfect campaign. >> what about the ad spending in these battleground states, mark? the numbers here the difference is remarkable between these two. yet you still have the close numbers. as of now, hillary clinton spent 46 million, trump spent 1.2.

so what is it buying here? >> it's a huge amount. i think i would make the argue, alex, in some of these races like here in ohio where it is dead even you can be able to say, boy, that money hasn't done anything. on the other hand, you look at the totality of these polls, they have been taken of the e-mail controversy, which has been damaging. you can make the argument she actually has a small lead due to the superiority on the airways. when does donald trump go up with his own ads? >> or he doesn't need them. think about it. look how much free publicity he has right now? in there we almost have a social political science going on, one campaign and one team has complete superiority over the air ways, the other one is not contesting it. we'll look at the electionly the months from now. >> look at you. studying. >> this is my fate time of the year. >> i know it is. fred, what about the democrats, if you look at the poms from early in the year. you xa irthe most recent

polling, it's not really that trump is gaining. it's more that hillary is dropping. look at iowa, for example, hillary dropped six points, trump went up one. most analysts point to the e-mail issue. does that soothe it at all for democrats, his numbers are flat. hers could bouncing a. >> reporter: i think, first of all, alex, january of this year is kind of like the 19th century in terms of how the campaign has evolved and progressed. look, democrats, i'm working for and i've talked to all of us expect for a lot of reasons, concerns about the xi, fears about security and -- economy fears about security. i think we expected this to be a competitive race. that's what america is about now. it's a very divide country. a few battleground states that make up the difference t. one thing i want the go back to what mark said, i'm not sure a

presidential campaign is a good time for a social science experiment. i guess, mark, we will see, if donald trump wants to do or win the presidency. >> i want to ask you, mark, where do you think the states are where pence will most help trump? >> it's the mid-west. obviously, remember indiana, that's a red state, but it was a state that barack obama won if 2008. there will be a very competitive senate riace there. his approval rating before he left was in the low 40s. he ends up helping i think everywhere in the mid-west. you end up looking at all the states next to indiana. we're talking about the ohio, the iowas. you are making a big mid-western play. this goes to a downside, hillary clinton has 270 electoral votes, states like virginia, colorado, north carolina and the more chips that she has on the table than donald trump has right now to get to 270. >> okay. mark murray, fred yang, guys, thank you so much.

coming up next, another look at what mike pence brings to the gop ticket. trump's choice is welcome to some. it's angering others, specifically the lbgt communities. why is that? and what the campaign can do to turn the tide when our live coverage continues on the other side of the short break.

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>> that delegate is joining us right now. i'm so glad for having you here. >> thanks for having me. >> your experience on the committee on that platform committee, what was that like? >> sure, overall it was a positive experience. there were some tough moments. i offered a specific amendment to make our marriage more inclusive to people like me, not only gays and lesbians, but also folks around the country that are supportive of lbgt rights. overall, i'd say the response, even tow my amendment didn't pass, it got a good amount of support, people in the room, if they didn't vote with me were supportive of being there. >> your take away is good. of course, have you to have some disappointment here? >> i do. there is some bad language in the republican party platform, about denying same sex couples the right to marry, there is bad language about transgender rights, about gaye adoption the first amendment defense act t.

reality is however there has been a lot of progress as well. on my marriage amendment, in particular, which was to include more inclusive language about marriage just embracing and acknowledging even the fact that there are a diversity of opinions within our party on marriage, 23 people stood up and voted with me on that. that's nearly a quarter of the committee. >> that's great. i guess i want to ask you, as i've asked those people particularly relative to gun control and capitol hill. when you were speaking to people before a vote or even after the vote, did they tell you kind of off the record, hey, we get you? we hear what you are saying. we wish we could have supported this, but we couldn't? off the record? >> i would say that i received a lot of support for people in the room that didn't necessarily support my amendment. on a personal level. >> right. >> i think that their views on denying same sex couples the right to marry are sincerely held. i did not get that they were vote income discord with their

own principles. i think the reality is there are people in our party that believe in traditional marriage and i would say they're over represented at the platform committee. the reality is that a majority of emergency over 60% of americans now support marriage equality and a growing member within the republican party support equality. we are out of step in that way. >> it sounds like you weren't surprised. you knew what you were walking into. >> i am not surprised. i have been a republican for a long time. the party's views on marriage has been out of step with the changing views of the country for a long time. so i wasn't surprised, i was disappointed. but there were signs of encouragement as well. the platform includes fewer sections that reference anti-lbgt or that reference lbgt rights if a negative way and, like i said, there are nearly a quarter of the committee that stood up and supported more inclusive language. >> you heard my description of make pence. what was your reaction to him

being trump's choice at vp? >> i think it was discouraging for folks looking for a candidate more supportive or friendly on lbgt rightsch trump gave a lot of us some hope he might b. i heard some people calm him a champion him i don't know i'm ready to calm him that. but on bathrooms. on standing with the gay and lesbian community after the orlando attack. saying he will keep the gaye community safe, there are ways in which we hope mr. trump will be better on our issues and the pick of mr. spens a sign in the opposite direction. >> do you you can though, fine yourself as a republican, do you ever consider voting for someone other than a republican? >> i never have voted for anyone other than a republican and i think this year might be the first time that i'm unable to support our nominee. and certainly in these past days this week, particularly the time that we spend in platform

committee, i actually for the first time as a republican in 15 years thought about leaving the party. in the end, i think that would only. people like me leave if people are looking for progress within our party on lbgt issues. if we choose to no longer be a part of the party, we choose to go down the path that's joining them. >> continuing to go and vote for mrs. clinton in. >> that would be very, very hard for me. there are a lot of things i disagree about mrs. clinton about. i'm opt mick tt there will be a candidate emerge that resonates with and is if line with my own views. we shall see, it is early. >> thank you so much for joining me, i appreciate it. i look forward to hearing the conversation there. with just some hours to go until things go to the unbound delegates. we will explain when our live

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>> during donald trump's announcement of his running mate, mike pence, trump made sure to reference the failed efforts of the never trump movement. >> never trump they said, never trump, oh, we're going to win. they got crushed. and they got crushed immediately. >> well, msnbc jacob sorrov, what are they telling to you expect on the convention floor? >> they are saying they have achieved a victory, they have, let's be honest, because donald trump is talking about them in an announcement speech for vice president. they became a thorn in the side of the trump campaign and the republican national committee. even though they're not going to be able to unbind and change donald trump on the convention floor. what they do say is very interesting. i have been following them closely as you know from colorado to north dakota, to pennsylvania. the unbound delegates movement

to unbind all of these delegates says while they didn't win, they are going to protest on the convengz floor. what that looks like exactly, we don't know, but i asked the leader of the group. whether there be a protest by delegates inside? >> nimpb what the rnc and trump continue to, do i don't think it's wise, because through their intimidation and everything they've done, it's important we don't talk about the specifics. >> reporter: i'm going to ask you one more time, do you think there will be some form of protest? >> yes, there will be some form of protests. the dem gather are angry, outraged at what happened. what we're there to do is help them make it clear to the rest of the world they're out rajd, unhappy and angry and this is, what happened is an assault to democracy in my opinion. it just flies in the face everything the republican party stands for and just can't be allowed to stand. so, yes, will the dell grats show how they feel about this? there is no doubt about it.

we'll have to see what that actually looks like. >> reporter: i will throw out some "options action," are people going to walk out? >> possibly. >> reporter: are people going to she sheer support by being vocal and interrupting? >> possibly. >> reporter: what about tee shirts, uniforms. visual signs of protests? >> it could be all of the above. >> that itself thing, this is not a one-dimensional thing. one thing we have to contend with the rnc consistently make it difficult for us to do things. we are addressing issues where they will allow us to get to the microphones, what we can do to protest. they're holding the nomination on monday night. >> reporter: quick tidbit, alex, about the colorado delegation home to one of the leaders of the stop trump movementf their delegation was seated in the very back of the quicken loans arena, perhaps retribution. not so nice, maybe, by the rnc and trump campaign. >> bring your binoculars. thank you for that. that does it for me this hour at

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