all right. that does it for us for "all in" this evening. the "rachel maddow show" starts now. >> good evening, chris. anything going on? i was taking a nap. >> no, not a whole lot. pretty chill day. >> pretty chill day? >> pretty chill. >> thanks, my friend. thanks to you at home for joining us. you know, it's funny. if you go right now to trump/pence.com, what you will find is this. it's just some random squatted website that somebody is still trying to sell today. that's trumppence.com. do you want to see clintonkaine.com? here it is. come on, do we have it to put up. come on.

yes. that is what's at clintonkaine.com right now. hillary potter. sort of political fan fiction. slightly surreal. you can see there's klan guys, and donald trump man. gop. at the end look, it's a snake. i think that is tim kaine up in the upper left-hand corner maybe flying in on a broom to help hillary potter. that's clintonkaine.com. you would think our presidential campaigns would get this website thing together but they don't. hillary clinton within the last hour sent out a text announcing tim kaine as her running mate. the text looked like this. went out at 8:15 p.m. eastern. it says, i'm thrilled to tell you this first, i've chosen tim kaine as my running mate. please welcome him to our team. right around the same time there was also this tweet which said

i'm thrilled to announce my running mate @timkaine. a man who's devoted himself to others signed h which means she wrote it herself. moments after that on the hillary clinton official twitter page they hosted a video of tim kaine. >> remember, folks, tough times don't last but tough people do last. we've been through tough times as a nation but we are tough people. >> they sent the text, they sent out the tweet, they posted the video. as soon as they posted the video they also posted the announcement of tim kaine on espaniole. five things to know about tim kaine. he took a year off from law school to go on to a mission trip to honduras. as governor of virginia he closed gun law loopholes.

they have rolled this up out. boom, boom, boom. duck in a row. except for the website. trump and pence could not get theirs. clinton and kaine apparently could not get theirs either. the great equalizer, web squatters. virginia senator tim kaine is 58 years old. he was also famously on the vice presidential short list for president obama in 2008. he was an early endorser of president obama in his primary campaign against hillary clinton in 2008. president obama named senator tim kaine to run -- well, he wasn't senator then. named tim kaine to run the dnc shortly after president obama was inaugurated. he ran the dnc from 2009 until

2011 when mr. kaine decided to run for u.s. senate. he won that u.s. senate seat. he has previously been governor of virginia. he was governor of virginia when the virginia tech massacre happened in 2007. before that he was lieutenant governor of virginia. before that he was the mayor of richmond. before that he was a city councilor in richmond. he speaks in spanish. he's a devout catholic. he grew up in kansas city. his dad was a welder. he has big, ornate eyebrows which his staff tease him about and occasionally they surface in his campaign literature. you know the senate foreign relations committee? he played an aggressive role to get congress to debate and authorize military force against isis. he is broadly seen in democratic politics as a nice guy. he is broadly liked i think the equivalent politician in terms

of democratic politics for somebody who doesn't really seem to have an enemy in the world would probably be someone like senator amy korbachar who was on chris hayes last hour. has a good reputation as a desend, solid person who treats people with respect. he just doesn't have a lot of political enemies for a life in politics. now that said, liberals wanted hillary clinton to pick somebody more liberal than him to be her running mate, particularly on issues like wall street and particularly on the issue of trade and those two issues you know were very, very central to the bernie sanders presidential run so it will be interesting tonight to see how sanders supporters who have now been implored by bernie sanders to get behind bernie clinton -- bernie clinton, hillary clinton. we'll hear a lot more about that tonight. tim kaine has been saddled for a long time with the idea of --

with the sort of moniker of being the boring choice, being the safe choice for vp. it was always meant as a criticism for him, as a down side. he's boring. safe choice. i'm not sure the clinton campaign sees boring and safe choice as a down side to tim kaine. they may see that as an up side. after all, announcing your pick at 8:15 p.m. on a friday night isn't exactly what you do if you're trying to maximize attention to your super interesting choice. joining us now from tampa, florida, where she has been reporting -- which is the site of the clinton's -- site of hillary clinton's last campaign event today and where she's been reporting on the process of this election and the rollout is nbc news correspondent kristen welker. great to see you. thanks for being with us. >> reporter: rachel. thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> 8:15 p.m. on a friday is friday night news dump territory. usually something you don't want people to notice. people will notice an

announcement like this. why did this announcement get pushed to so late at night? >> we're still trying to nail that down. at first we thought it could be because of what happened in munich. campaign officials say that wasn't the reason. they say there was some miscommunication i think within the campaign in terms of when this was actually going to happen. we thought it was going to happen hours ago, rachel, but, again, it is happening now. after secretary clinton's events here in tampa. and i think part of that is just putting the final touches on this rollout. look, this required a lot of phone calls. we know that about an hour ago campaign chair john podesta started calling the people who were going to be secretary clinton's pick. that took some time. and then of course secretary clinton made that all important phone call to tim kaine. i was told just moments ago that the framing of that phone call when she announced to him when she told him when she made that offer she said, look, she really wants a governing partner. i think all of that took some time. i think that was part of what

felt like a delay from our standpoint. you're right, this is not ideal from a news perspective certainly but strategically it does come after the rnc. they're hoping they will get a bump, some momentum tomorrow. he is fluent in spanish so i anticipate we're going to hear him speak in spanish tomorrow. that's going to be important in a swing state like florida. but one of the key things for secretary clinton, his foreign policy experience and his very long resume. the fact that he served as senator but he served as a former governor to virginia. all of those things i think contributed to this decision by secretary clinton which as you point out is being unveiled at a moment that we were certainly not expecting. a little bit later than we were anticipating. >> the timing is -- you can spin it both ways. we had been advised that friday, that today was probably going to be the day. this obviously parallels the announcement in 2008 right after barack obama accepts the nomination for the democratic

party, the next day the mccain campaign announced sarah palin as their surprise pick, trying to quash the momentum from that democratic convention. >> right. >> thinking about the two parties here, we also have sort of some unexpected things about the rollout of mike pence on the donald trump side. the donald trump campaign some of the reporting around that suggested that the reason that was late was because maybe the candidate was changing his mind. maybe trump wasn't so sure about pence. maybe he really was considering other people on his short list right up until the very end, flip flopping about the choice. is there any indication that anything like that happened in the clinton campaign or did it seem to you from your reporting that they were sure about kaine and that there wasn't too much wiggle room on that once they came down to making the decision? >> reporter: i think that's a great point, rachel. based on my reporting, there wasn't wiggle room. back in april secretary clinton began this process in earnest. apparently she was given a binder by john poe des tow with about 30 days on it.

i have been recording on this process since then. tim kaine's name has been at the top of the list or near the top of the list the entire time and the reason is his resume. one person telling me secretary clinton really needs an altar boy and tim kaine is that altar boy. but, look, she had that event with him, that rally in virginia last week. the campaign, secretary clinton paid very close attention to that and she felt good about that event. i am told she felt as though they had good chemistry in terms of not only campaigning but personally. she had a private meeting with him after that event and then that following saturday, rachel, she invited tim kaine and his entire family to her home. what's significant about that, he is the only candidate whom she met with twice so that indicates to me that she wasn't waivering on this choice. having said that, i think she had wanted to make sure she had asked all of the very difficult questions that needed to be asked before making a final decision. one more point i'll make,

strategically you talk about the trump rollout. i think by all accounts folks would describe that as a bit botched. this was very guarded. there were no leaks. we tried. i tried for the past 48 hours. they kept it very close to the vest. >> kristen welker, nbc news white house correspondent. totally invaluable in terms of making sense of it, kristen. >> reporter: thank you. >> it's interesting in terms of the short list and thinking about who else might have been in contention and the public audition. we saw the public audition for clinton and kaine together. the only other short lister or potential candidate for vice president who really saw that overt audition for was elizabeth warren which caused a lot of people to think that maybe despite the sort of political fundamentals that might suggest elizabeth warren wouldn't make the most sense as a running mate, maybe she was in contention because they did that big public event raising stakes, raising possibility, raising hopes among liberals that elizabeth warren would be on the

ticket. elizabeth warren is the one who punctured that last night when asked by stephen colbert about hillary clinton's vice presidential choice and she said to stephen colbert, i'm paraphrasing, but she said effectively, if it was me, i'd probably know by now. so we at least knew as of last night because of that that it wasn't going to be her. the question now is what's the case for tim kaine? what's the case against tim kaine? and what this means for how hillary clinton is going to run this national campaign. joining us is msnbc political correspondent, steve kornacki. >> happy to be here. >> big day. >> it is. >> you aren't surprised by either the timing or the pick? >> no. the timing, a little bit surprising. i think we all expected it earlier in the day. when it got delayed we assumed it was the events over seas. in terms of me, the pick was the least suspenseful ones. i was looking for the curveball, the head fake, didn't see it. when you look back a lot of

times what you see in these picks are candidates trying to address what they see as clear strategic shortcomings in the general election or candidates who feel like they need to change the campaign narrative. the classic example of that is 2008. john mccain felt running against barack obama he needed something dramatic, exciting, totally unpredictable. that's how he came up with sarah palin. he got more than he bargained for. that's how he came up with that. back in 2000, al gore picked the democrat who had been the biggest critic, joe lieberman. he felt that would help him. he felt a strategic imperative there. when you look at the kaine pick you don't see a clear strategic political imperative that he addresses in the immediate future. you don't see a weakness of hillary clinton's that he would address. you don't look at the republican convention in the last week, the rollout of mike pence, because trump did this, because of this

it made it urgent that she select tim kaine. this looks like the pick of a candidate who's confident in her political position. kristen is talking about the personal comfort, chemistry. there's reporting out there that bill clinton was pushing the pick of tim kaine. this looks like the pick of a candidate who feels like, look, i'm in a pretty good position right now. the smartest move is the safest move. do no harm with the pick. you can afford a little bit in a situation like this. if you feel confident like that, you can afford to think about who would be the best governing partner. you can prioritize that more than you normally would. i think that's part of the calculation here, maybe a bigger part of the calculation than we're used to with these picks. >> steve kornacki, we're going to be talking in just a minute with some of the folks on the left side of the democratic party, people who might be expected to have some either objections to tim kaine or disappointments that she didn't pick a more progressive candidate. what i would like to talk to you about, i'm hoping you come back later and do this, is the

potential electoral consequences of tim kaine. obviously first and foremost there's the question of virginia. there's also question of whether or not having a candidate who's fluent in spanish even though he's not latino himself may have some impact. can you come back and do that? >> i think we have the magic board ready. >> what we are going to do. we are going to keep reporting out this announcement tonight and also the reaction. tim kaine, again, not unexpected as clinton's choice for a running mate, but part of what was expected if he did get the nod was that there might be either some disappointment or some grumbling on the left side of the democratic party, maybe specifically from the bernie sanders wing of the democratic party, over kaine not being more progressive on some specific issues. we're going to talk about that, talk about whether or not clinton has a left flank issue she needs to address in order to shore up democratic support in the democratic base. more on that ahead. stay with us.

to unblock naturally, so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax. hey, you're yes, sir. clarence! you know, at the model year end clarence event, you can get a great deal on this 2016 passat. steve. yeah? clarence is on a roll. yeah. i wish they'd name an event after me. same here. but the model year end becky event? that's no good... stevent! that's just vandalism. whatever you want to call it, don't miss the volkswagen model year end event. hurry in for a one-thousand dollar volkswagen reward card and 0% apr on a new 2016 passat. now you can't spell nutriam i right?t nut, i mean whose to say it's pronounced nu-triton, anyway? my mixes contain delicious nuts, specially blended for your optimal nut-rition. that's right, i just changed a word in the english dictionary, forever. planters. nutrition starts with nut.

i would say people use labels all the time, but i'm kind of a traditional catholic. i don't like -- personally, i'm opposed to abortion. i deeply believe and not just as a matter of politics but even as a matter of morality that matters about reproduction, relationships, contraception are in the personal realm. they're moral decisions for individuals to make for themselves and the last thing we need is government intruding into those personal decisions. so i've taken the decision, which is quite common among catholics. i have a personal feeling about abortion but the right role for government is to let women make their own decision. >> that was last month on "meet

the press." you can hear virginia senator tim kaine saying he is personally opposed to abortion but he feels government should let women decide for themselves. is that a strong enough defense of that constitutional right, particularly among voters who might consider that right a crucial question in terms of how they vote and whether they vote in this election? joining us now is somebody who might know. president of planned parenthood. great to see you. thank you for being here. >> great to see you. >> what's your reaction to the tim kaine nomination? >> very enthusiastic. he's been a great senator. he's had 100% voting record in the united states senate and as you know, we've had a lot of tough issues, both around planned parenthood and attacks on access to safe and legal abortion. he's been not only a solid vote but really an ally. look, this is the strongest reproductive rights ticket we've ever had. the platform is stronger than it's ever been and it's

wonderful to think that secretary clinton is going to have a good running mate and strong ally because she is so far ahead on women's rights and women's reproductive access. >> you heard chuck todd in that interview last month say that tim kaine used to be described as a pro life democrat. when he ran for governor in 2005 we looked up his positions on abortion. he said on his website at the time, i have a faiths-based opposition to abortion. as governor i will work in good faith to reduce abortions by then he lists four things, enforcing the current virginia restrictions and a partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother. he said he would focus on abstinence, focus on education. he would ensure women's access to health care including legal contraception and economic opportunity and he would promote adoption for women facing unwanted pregnancies. he said we should reduce abortion rather than criminalizing women and doctors. what's your reaction to that? >> predates my time to planned

parenthood. i know we didn't agree with him always when he was governor. he has evolved on these issues and he has been such a strong ally. again, i think the most important thing, look at this ticket, look at this presidential race, we have the strongest position ever. hillary clinton is stronger in terms of repealing the height amendment, supporting safe and legal abortion access. her running mate will support the platform and her position. the important thing, too, rachel is to see who's on the other side. we saw a vice presidential pick by donald trump, mike pence, the only thing that actually distinguish sz him besides being so extreme on gay and lesbian issues is he was the national leader to de-fund planned parenthood. when you look at voters, women and men making their decisions to best represent their values, it is very clear to me that secretary clinton and tim kaine are where the american people are and that these are going to be issues that decide votes in

november and that we have a ticket that we can really be proud of and stand behind. >> we're just now in the first hour reacting to this pick hearing that unequivocal statement from you i think will -- i think will settle the issue to a certain extent as to whether or not tim kaine is going to have some explaining to do. his past is not nearly as progressive as his present. thanks for explaining where you are. >> so good to see you. >> you, too. president of planned parenthood. in a moment we are now going to be joined by one of bernie sanders' most prominent supporters, somebody who raised real issues with hillary clinton on issues like trade and wall street and tim kaine tends to be a little bit more centrist on those issues, too. we'll hear from ben jellis whether or not sanders supporters are going to be on board with this pick. stay with us.

my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet? ♪ ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash.

♪ and the big reveal turned out to be what everybody expected. hillary clinton tonight has tapped virginia senator tim kaine to be her vice presidential running mate. senator kaine tweeting he is honored to be picked. just because tim kaine was seen as the safe bet here doesn't mean everybody has been universally excited about a hillary clinton/tim kaine ticket. senator kaine is known for holding some centrist and establishment positions, middle of the democratic party positions for very liberal democrats, liberal to bernie sanders in particular or who are hoping hillary clinton would keep moving left on policy, particularly economic policy. tim kaine was not necessarily their first choice for her running mate.

how are those folks reacting to this pick tonight? joining us now is my friend ben j jellis, a supporter of bernie sanders. he has not endorsed hillary clinton in the campaign. ben, great to see you. thanks for being here. >> hey, it's great to see you. her campaign, the candidate have not asked. >> they haven't asked? >> no. no. >> h'm. >> you know, look, on the issue of kaine, rachel, what's real here is this now puts a lot of pressure on her. he's a nice guy. just a couple of days ago the "huffington post", you know, pointed out that he's pushing for greater deregulation of wall street even though he's trying to become vice president. people generally avoid controversial issues. he went right at one of the most controversial issues in the party right now. and so, you know, but he's also quite frankly -- he doesn't inspire any -- it's not clear --

for instance, in virginia, he doesn't bring any demographic. a lot of latino voters who appreciate he speaks spanish but know they could have had castro, could have had tom perez. he's not going to bring in the fire of cory booker. it's just not clear, frankly, how he helps. and there are some risks that he could hurt. so, i mean, all of us who are clear that if we want to beat donald trump, we're going to have to vote for hillary clinton, the reality is, you know, she's now, you know, at the center of the stage with the spotlight basically on nobody else having to -- to convince the base of a democratic party not just to vote for her but to turn out and to work and to get excited and to push unlikely voters. that's where the challenge is going to be -- you know, is going to come from. tim is a nice guy. he's not the most courageous politician in the democratic party. he's certainly not the most inspiring. it's not clear how he helps. >> ben, in terms of what the

vice president does, i think we've seen some radically different approaches to the vice presidency over the last few administrations but the one thing that they -- they sort of have in common aside from the first term of the bush administration at a time when it seems like dick cheney was running things, aside from that radical outcrop, the vice president isn't that much of a policy job. it's sort of more of an understudy job and you do get stuff that you get put in charge of and you do get dispatched to take care of things for the white house. you're there as an understudy in case something happens for the president. the other thing that you do is campaign. is there anything that hillary clinton either could do in terms of her own policy positions or is there anything they could do in terms of the way they campaign together that might make you feel more confident in this choice? >> frankly, we're going to look to her. she's going to have to be the one to really convince the base of the party that they should really fight for her.

she has to give us something to fight for. so far what we have really is someone to fight against donald trump. and, you know, what the vice president should do is help you win. it's not clear that tim kaine is going to help her win and that's the part that frankly really pains me, frustrates me. i was hoping for somebody that would show us a sign that they were serious about taking on, you know, this -- this moment and strengthening the ticket. liz warren, granholm, there are a lot of folks that could have helped her win more than tim kaine. >> ben jealous, thank you for coming in on short notice. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i would just say, i don't know if the clinton campaign watches msnbc or watching this show. you should watch ben jealous. getting his endorsement might be a big deal. you should call him. he's listed. we'll be right back.

be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems

these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. some serious allergic reactions can occur. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. most people using stelara® saw 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink

♪ ♪ you live life your way. we can help you retire your way, too. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase. so you can.

tim kaine is hillary clinton's running mate. when barack obama won tim kaine's state in 2008, that was the first time the state had gone blue in a presidential election in 60 years. in 2008 obama won virginia by 7. in 2012 he won it by 4. is hillary clinton going to win virginia, too? ben jealous just said on our air that tim kaine will not help hillary clinton win the election in november. the clinton campaign is clearly banking on the opposite.

steve kornacki joins us now to talk about what, in fact, tim kaine does for hillary clinton electorally speaking. steve, i hope you have your maps. >> i've got the maps, i've got the board and i'm really glad you put those numbers up a second ago, rachel, because what you just showed is really key to what tim kaine could do politically for hillary clinton. the short of it is he could really harden a pattern in the electoral mass that significantly narrows donald trump's path to 270. let me show you what i mean by that. first of all, you put the numbers up from '08 and '12. this is what the latest nbc poll out of virginia shows, hillary clinton up by 9 points. remember what you said, this is a state that all the way up until 2008 was a republican bastian. when barack obama beat john cane, that was the first time. now you're seeing not just hillary clinton leading but hillary clinton leading by a pretty comfortable margin, at

least in our poll. if you add tim kaine on top of this, the vp picks don't help that much, but if he boosts her another couple of points. think about that, if she could put virginia away from the tossup category, that could be significant in the state but what it really does is reflects a changing electoral map. here's what i mean. let's look at the electoral map. obama had 332, romney had 206. if you're trump, the name of the game is to flip the blue states. there are a lot of states on the map that are like virginia. they were republican up through 2004. they had begun to change because of demographics. they're getting more diverse. they have more millennial voters. virginia's absolutely one of them. this is a state trump would like to win. let me show you what they are. if you're donald trump, you look for some states that went for bush, you'd love to have virginia, colorado, nevada, new mexico. all of these states went to bush

in '04. will not get you to 270. demographically, culturally these states are much more aligned with the democratic party and moving more in that direction. so if you add tim kaine to the ticket in virginia, makes it much more likely that it will stay blue. colorado's been turning blue, nevada's been trending blue. what was the one i -- mexico has been trending blue. so what that does, it makes those states -- those states are much tougher for trump to get now. it pushing him into the rust belt. if you're trump, you have to look at taking an ohio. you have to look at taking pennsylvania, something no republican has done since '88. you've got to find a way to really, really drive home the importance of florida for donald trump. florida, large latino population. that's a significant challenge for him. narrow path. if that's what happens, that much narrower for trump. >> that is fascinating. thank you, steve. that's a great chronicle foretold of what's about to

happen. if virginia being taken off the map for republicans means effectively donald trump has to win florida or he's dead, that explains why hillary clinton and tim kaine are doing their first event tomorrow in florida. >> there it is. >> there you go. that's how it works. it all boils down to math in the end. we'll be right back. ♪ (boy) bye, mom. that's the heart and these are the lungs. (girl) what's wrong? (boy) nothing.

(boy) sorry. (dad) don't worry about it. come on. you put it in. (dad) it's ok. (vo) at our house, we need things that are built to last. that's why we got a subaru. (avo) subaru legacy. the longest-lasting midsize sedan in its class. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. and who doesn'tb then seize the day already. crabfest is back at red lobster with so many kinds of crab and the most crab dishes of the year. so dive into whatever floats your crab-loving boat. like crab lover's dream. crack open tender snow and king crab legs, and twirl creamy crab alfredo.

or try the new alaska bairdi crab dinner. sweet and straight from the icy waters of alaska, you've gotta get it... to really get it. but it won't last forever, so hurry in. i've heard it all. eat more fiber. flax seeds. yogurt. get moving. keep moving. i know! try laxatives. been there, done that. my chronic constipation keeps coming back. i know. tell me something i don't know. vo: linzess works differently from laxatives. linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. it can help relieve your belly pain, and lets you have more frequent and complete bowel movements that are easier to pass. do not give linzess to children under six and it should not be given to children six to seventeen. it may harm them. don't take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain, especially with bloody or black stools. the most common side effect is diarrhea sometimes severe. if it's severe stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. other side effects include gas,

stomach-area pain and swelling. talk to your doctor about managing your symptoms proactively with linzess. this is a glorious day! the weather is to remind us not to take ourselves too seriously. >> when tim kaine got sworn in as virginia's governor in 2006, the state capitol was under renovation. they had to swear him in in richmond versus williamsburg. it was really cold, rainy and miserable. tim kaine laughed at that. maybe that is a good sign in a running mate for a sign of what is to be an absolutely brutal presidential election. joining us is jeff shapiro.

i want to congratulate you on winning the political reporter lottery of having your home state guy picked for vice president. >> well, virginia's waited a long time, ms. maddow. the last virginian nominated for vice presidency by national party was john tyler in 1840. he held that office for 30 days and then seceded to the presidency. >> so, in other words, nailed it. >> nailed -- of course, that had to do with the untimely death of his running mate, mr. harrison, who famously spoke too long also on a rainy day. >> see, it's all coming back around. it's like a puppy catching its tail. in terms of tim kaine as a national figure, hey, he does have a national profile in part because of his time as chairman of the dnc, in part because he's been a vice presidential short lister twice now. but from virginia, what do you think he's best at as a politician and what do you see as his weaknesses?

>> well, i think it's important to emphasize that tim kaine is a believer in possibilities. i know that may seem somewhat high minded but one of the books he read while he was a student at harvard law school was "getting to yes" by the late professor fisher. one of the things that kaine deeply believes in is trying to find common ground on issues that are very typically black and white. sometimes he comes out with some very tortured shades of gray. for example, he was wildly successful coming up with a fix for transportation, which is a nagging problem in this state. orlando was the largest mass slaying in the united states. that was also a moment that

commanded not just the nation's attention but just the world. gave a remarkable talk about mourning, about grief and how one derives power from that. the power of public opinion, however, did not change, particularly with a republican legislature on things such as firearms control. virginia continues to resist a mandatory background check on all firearms purchases. this is an issue that has evaded governor kaine. in the united states senate he dusted off an idea that came out of the miller center at the university of virginia, a rewrite of the war powers act. this was something that was very timely given that war for the most part has been waged by recent presidents by executive

piat. this put some distance between tim kaine and his good friend barack obama and it wasn't until, i believe, the president's 2015 state of the union address that he called on the congress to essentially authorize a war in syria. >> jeff, has senator kaine or governor kaine, has he ever had pressure from the left in virginia? i ask because he's about to get some from the democratic base nationwide. >> not very often. i think the feeling about tim kaine is that he veils himself in certain centrist positions but innately liberal. i commend his record as a lawyer to the left. he handles a number of death penalty cases, some particularly high profile. he was involved in a red lining case against a major insurance

company on which he received a monstrously large settlement. so there's a lot in his background, i think his people would say, that commends him to the left. and then also i think his -- his faith. he's a devout catholic. he's jesuit trained. i think that counts for a lot and is very much into the friction of ideas. this is a guy who's as comfortable quoting scriptures as he did recently in the florida senate talking about gun violence as he cited matthew as he is mentioning frank zappa. >> jeff shapiro, great to have your perspective on this historic announcement. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> that fight -- not fight, that issue of the war powers act and time kaine reviving that trying to get congress to vote on

unauthorized force against isis. there were not a lot of members of congress let alone the senate who were pushing for them to come and do the right thing on that. tim kaine was tip of the spear. we'll be right back. at places like the batting cages. ♪ [ crowd cheers ] 2% back at grocery stores and now at wholesale clubs. and 3% back on gas. which helped him give his players something extra. the cash rewards credit card from bank of america. more cash back for the things you buy most. the cash rewards credit card from bank of america. fthe search for relief often leads, ...here or here. today, there's a new option. introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once ony available in doctors' office. its wireless remote lets you control the intensity, and helps you get back to things like this... or this. and back to being yourself. introducing new aleve direct therapy.

find yours in the pain relief aisle. check your sunday paper for up to $18 in savings. squuuuack, let's feed him let's feto the sharks!sharks! yay! and take all of his gold! and take all of his gold! ya! and hide it from the crew! ya...? squuuuack, they're all morons anyway! i never said that. they all smell bad too. no! you all smell wonderful! i smell bad! if you're a parrot, you repeat things. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more

on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. squuuuack, it's what you do. i know, you're bushed, you're over stimulated, exhausted, can't really stop. i know it's like that. then you feel a little sparky, but it's only friday. guess what's about to happen. here's the next couple of days. tomorrow at noon hillary clinton and tim kaine will appear together for the first time as the democratic presidential and vice presidential ticket. that's going to be in miami noon eastern. we're going to have it here live on msnbc tomorrow. then on sunday, special note about "meet the press." "meet the press" is going to be live from philadelphia on sunday. i'm going to be on "meet the press" on sunday, which is something i do not frequently do but i'm going to do it this weekend. bernie sanders is going to be one of the guests on "meet the

press" this sunday as well. come monday, of course, it is the democratic convention. stuff happens all day long. the evening coverage starts monday. chuck todd at 5:00 p.m. eastern and chris hayes and then i'll be joined by chris matthews and the whole primetime team going from 7 until we are no longer coherent. it's going to be a big week. get your sleep while you can. that's no time soon. we'll be right back. but it's going by fast. the opportunity of the year is back: the mercedes-benz summer event. get to your dealer today for incredible once-a-season offers, and start firing up those grilles. lease the c300 for $379 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. pg&i help customerss, how with their bills.day? there's different rates to fit different needs, so listening is a huge part of my job. because customers want to know that you hear them. they have kids, they have families, they have priorities.

i definitely understand that. i have three children, i was a stay at home mom, i didn't have money to pay the bills, and so i put myself in their shoes. and i'm going to do all that i can to lower their bills and to help their situation. to choose the rate plan that works best for your family, visit pge.com/rates. together, we're building a better california.

it has been about 90 minutes roughly, 90 minutesish since hillary clinton announced her running mate will be virginia senator and former virginia governor tim >> isn't that it was. >> i'll give you. >> so how long have you been a clown. >> i've been a clown about three years. >> it's the tattoo. >> that's not make up. >> it's not coming off. >> no. >> why do you think.

thoughtful person, he will be a wonderful vp, congratulations to my friend m.i.s. he grew up in kansas city, i get it. republican senator trying to count the ways i hate tim cane, drawing a blank, congrats to a good man and a good friend. well played senator fliek, joining us now is my friend john walsh, joan, thanks for being here. >> thanks, rachel for having me. >> you're a hillary clinton support. >> i am. >> are you happy with tim cato as the choice. >> i was very much for sharon brown, that was my first pick. i think they couldn't get around of having john kasich pick his successor. but i like tim kaine a lot. this is a governor and senator in the state of virginia, which is where the n.r.a. is based,

who has an f. rating for the nra who stood up to the nra. he signed an executive order taking guns out of the hands of mentally ill people. . he's closed a bunch of loopholes. he's been a great vote on gun control, which has become a bigger priority for secretary clinton in this campaign. i was very happy that the gentleman from virginia, that great report brought up his work on civil rights. that he won a tremendous settlement from nationwide, $17.5 million around red lining. you know, he's opposed -- >> with racist housing process. >> right. right. >> you know, he goes to an african-american church. he sends his kids to majority black school. he was the mayor of the city that was predominantly black, richmond. he's got a lot to offer. i'm concerned he might not be as

progressive about as i am. i'm concerned about the banking deregulation that he supports. it is places like capitol one. i have those concerns. but i think he's a tremendously decent person who has helped take a red state and turn it purple and hopefully blue and i think it's progressive we need to have a little bit more of a big tent approach and stop trying to read people out of our movement or our corner or our cafeteria table because they differ with us on a few things. >> i don't think it's trying to rule people out. i think there's a enthusiastic positive to try to move the democratic party, look at the clinton campaign, look at the sanders primary challenge and say this is a moment when the party can recenter further to the left. so on those issues, on banking deregulation, on trade. >> right. >> do you want canee to move on those issues. do you want assurances from clinton that his more

conservative policy won't prevail, won't drive. >> sure i do. >> and i believe he said came -- i believe he said he will not support the tpp. i believe that was a condition of, you know, there becoming a team. you know, she also as cecil richardson, she reports ending the height amendment and providing medicaid funding for abortion. i assume he's coming on the ticket and support that, too. i think all we can ask you take the position that this is a woman's individual choice. he's done that. >> sharon walsh, national correspondence. you're the first person i wanted to talk to. i thought i wonder what joan thinks, now we know. we'll be right back. or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.

tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any symptoms of an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis and a $200 savings card stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ♪ ♪

you can help prevent blindness in undernourished children across the globe by getting your vitamins at walgreens. walgreens. at the corner of happy and healthy. right now with card, select centrum vitamins are buy one, get one half off. i am proud of you, my man. making simple, smart cash back choices... with quicksilver from capital one. you're earning unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. like on that new laptop. quicksilver keeps things simple, gary. and smart, like you! and i like that. i guess i am pretty smart. don't let that go to your head, gary. what's in your wallet? be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara®

just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. some serious allergic reactions can occur. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. most people using stelara® saw 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®. so this was the front page of the washington post this morning, trump paints ominous

picture full all column headline on front page of the washington post that was this morning. by this afternoon the post had taken this dramatic step, issuing a full page possibly unprecedented antiendorsement of donald trump. we recognize this is not the usual moment to make such a statement and ordinary election year we would acknowledge the republican nominee, move on to democratic convention and spend the following months evaluating the candidates performance on the stomp and position papers. this year we'll follow the campaign as always offering all the use as candidates we cannot salute the republican nominee or pretend that we might endorse him this fall. a trump presidency will be dangerous for the world. and experience temperament, they call him a unique and present danger. the system is strong and has proved resilient when it has been tested before. we have faith in it.

to elect mr. trump would be to knowingly subject it to threat. >> washington post tonight is not coming out now and endorsing hillary clinton. they did take this remarkable step, in july, the day after the republican nominee accepted the nomination, they came out today to say in effect they will never endorse donald trump and he must be stopped. he cannot become president. i've never quite seen anything like it, particularly from one of the most -- one of the two most influential newspapers in the country. but, that was day one. that was day one of the republican side of the general election this year. the conventions are really early this year. the democratic convention in 2012 is in september. this year it starts on monday. it was the earliest convention since is the 60. this has got to be one of the longest general elections in modern history. today was day one of that. as of today he can -- that republican party can fund them as their nominee.

as of today on day one donald trump's daughter tweeted out this link so you could shop her look from the rnc. she tweeted a link that goes to a store where you can guy the -- buy the dress she wore. as of today, also, former klu klux klan day vif duke has announced he's not running for congress this year, he's running for senate because he says "i'm over joyed to see donald trump embrace most of the issues that i've championed for years" he said he'll be the one man who will stand up for the rights an heritage for white people in this country. day one the republican side of the general election this year that does it for us tonight. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnel. >> we've got all four people on these tickets now. we're ready to go. >> we're ready to gochlt i'm ready to set them up and make them fight in my office. >> thank you, lawrence. >> al franken was right, of coursewa