[ cheers and applause ] especially when donald trump stands in the way of progress on every single one of these issues that hillary has laid out in her campaign and many, many more. so now i'm going to wrap it up with three easy questions. we're at an university. i can give you a test, right? i can give a test! these are three questions to ask yourselves. one, do you want to "you're fired" president or "you're hired" president? of course, you want a "you're hired" president! donald trump is the "you're fired guy." that's what he's known. it -- one thing when this campaign is over one thing they'll remember about donald trump is "you're fired!" . bankrupting companies, shipping jobs overseas, stiffing contractors, being against federal minimum wage, being against equal pay for equal

work. he's the you're fired guy. we've got a you're hired president! let's build bridges and roads and airports and ports so people can have jobs! let's go for equal pay and increase minimum wage. a you're hired president. all right. you're 1-1. question two, do you want a trash-talking president or a bridge-building president? [ crowd shouting bridge building ] donald trump trash talks mention-americmentio mexico-americans, whether they're new immigrants or federal governments, calls the military a disaster, trash talks

women. he doesn't trash talk everybody. he likes vladmir putin. you're right. let's get that straight. but this is a bridge-builder president. [ cheers and applause ] as a member of the armed services committee, built great ties with our military and military families as a secretary state made history building our relationships around the world, and putting central to u.s. central policy the treatment of women and children around the world. she's a bridge builder. that's what we need! [ cheers and applause ] last -- all right. florida international, you're 2-2. do you want a me-first president or kids and family first president? of course! with donald trump it's me first. i'm not showing you my tax returns. i'm going to run a university that will take people's money

and rip them off. donald trump was in britain when they cast the brexit vote to le leave the eu. as the british pound, their unit of currency was getting pomme d pommeled, he said it could be good news for my golf course. me first! but we've got a kids and families first president. [ cheers and applause ] from her earliest days has been -- i'll tell you something. i'm going give you a secret about those of us in politics. if you want to try to judge the character of somebody in politics, i'll tell you how to do it. look at their life and see if they have a passion in their life that they have long before they got into politics. a passion that is not about themselves. a passion that is about somebody

else, and then see if they have held on to that passion through thick or thin, in good times or bad, whether winning elections or losing elections, come hell or high water, look to see if they have a passion that is about somebody else, and look to see whether they have held on to it all the time. that is character. that is our kids and families first hillary clinton. [ cheers and applause ] when i was a kid growing my favorite president was harry truman. a great democratic president. let me tell you something that harry truman said that could have been written five minutes ago. he said it in the late 1930s.

it's so well put. america was not built on fear. america was built on courage, on imagination, and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. let me tell you that again. america was built not on fear! america was not built on fear. it was built on courage, on imagination, and on an unbeatable imagination to do the job at hand. folks, hillary clinton -- [ applause ] hillary clinton is filled with that courage, that imagination, and that unbeatable determination. that's why we trust her to fight for all americans. that's why i'm with her. that's why i'm with her. are you with her? [ crowd shouting question ] >> that's why we're with us. these are tough times for many

of our country, but we're tough people. i found that from my folks. tough times don't last but tough people do! and they don't come any tougher or any more compassionate than hillary clinton. let's go make history and elect hillary clinton the 45th president of the united states! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> there you have it senator tim kaine, former governor of virginia giving his first address as the running mate for hillary clinton, and what an address it was. unusual at times, delivered in both english and spanish and offering a contrast between what

he argued is a bridge builder in hillary clinton and a divider in donald trump. a big day here in american politics. we begin fittingly, with nbc's andrea mitchell who has been following the clinton campaign from the start. andrea, your thoughts on what we just heard. >> reporter: well, i've been following hillary clinton for decades, and i have to tell you the smile on her face when bernie sanders is joining her. this was absolutely, as far as the clinton campaign is concerned -- they could not have asking for anything more from tim kaine today. he broke into spanish and talking about his son, matt, the marine about to deploy to europe. the tornaand his wife devoted t

education and legal aid. and they've got a substantiative argument. it visually does not match what sanders and the progressives and other minorities want. but tim kaine just substantiatively gave a great rusing speech. hillary clinton spoke for about 17 minutes, speaking not about herself but introducing tim kaine. she spoke to his biography, then he got up and spoke -- she sat on that stool and watched every minute of it. we saw her reactions. it was very deliberate but a sharp contrast to the unusual roll out of mike pence only a week ago saturday where you saw donald trump come up and speak for 28 or 29 minutes about himself and his victories and antagonism with his mass rivals and walked off after a couple of minutes and left his new running

mate standing by himself. there was no lacking of connection of hugs and countercelebration as today. he was a strong supporter of barack obama eight years ago. this is a running mate she says has substantiative connections on military affairs. the beg test going forward is satisfying the liberal wing of the party. >> stay with us, andrea. i'll bring in our folks on set in philadelphia for the democratic convention. ed rendell, jamal smith from mtv news. we're looking at the pictures. tim kaine speaking for 40 minutes. he made the joke that was true,

hey, a lot of people probably haven't heard of me, if i'm being honest. like you he was party chair. i think it's fair to say he's been quieter than you. what do you think of the speech a party that is eager to see their line up. >> i think he made a great speech. and the interesting thing, i watched hillary clinton i are while kaine was talking. i've known hillary for a long time. i know when she's faking it. i think she's genuinely happy. she fulfilled her first requirement. one of the reasons i love hillary, i knew she would not pick a person to run, even if it would help her win if that person wasn't ready to be president if something happened. tim kaine was a mayor, governor,

senator. he's as ready to serve and be president if something happens as anybody. she's very much comfortable with him and at peace with her choice and enthusiastic about her choice. >> as we look at the pictures, i want to bring in kasie hunt who is also on the story for us. tell us about the reception and kristin welker also there. both of you. tell us about the reception to this address out there. >> reporter: well, i think you can visibly see how excited, in particular, tim kaine was today. we watched him audition with hillary clinton last week earlier on in this campaign, and he was clearly a little nervous then. very much hit a groove today. you can see that. has drawn many people to kaine and hillary clinton's team make him seem very genuine as he attacks trump. it's the boring way to go about it, i think what we saw here was

somebody a politician who came across in a familiar way. who talked very emotionally about some of his progressive credentials. that, of course, is something they're looking to shore up. he talked about a teacher at virginia tech. that horrible shooting. the teacher a holocaust survivor who was killed by a gun violence, of course, at that tragedy in virginia tech. kaine mixed spanish in with engli english. something that the audience responded to. >> i'm grateful to you, hillary, for the trust you have placed in me and we're going to be -- [ speaking spanish ] hillary clinton she doesn't insult people. she listens to them. what a novel concept, right? she doesn't trash our allies, she respects them. and she'll always have our backs. that is something i'm rock solid

sure of. >> reporter: soul mates, essentially. there you heard tim kaine making the sell for hillary clinton. of course, this will probably be one of the rare times we'll see them together while running mates often do a handful of major headlining events together. usually that split it up to do twice the work. >> kristin, elections are about contrast. speak to the clintone ed aids, know you've been reporting on, and contrast to the donald trump republican roll out. donald trump spoke for a long time about himself before speaking about mike pence. here it seemed very choreographed and organized. hillary made the case for tim kaine, again, a lot of testimdes are learning about. he made a case for hillary at times was stronger than the case she makes for her. he spoke about her sweeping bridge-building terms.

>> reporter: i think you're right, ari. and the contrast couldn't be more stark in addition to everything andrea was talking about. look at the crowd here and compare it to the backdrop to the donald trump roll out of governor pence. it was, of course, in a room. there was no audience. there was no backdrop. they were, instead, on a stage. as andrea pointed out, he walked off the stage and left mike pence to stand there talking about himself and his own vision. this was very different. clearly an attempt to make the argument that they are a team. they will govern together if elected. in terms of introducing senator tim kaine to this crowd and the american audience, i can't underscore how important the clinton campaign thinks it is. i was talking to voters. some of them knew who tim kaine was. some were familiar with his record. not all of them. this type of event is hugely important. take a listen to what secretary clinton had to say about tim

kaine today. >> tim kaine cut his own salary and invested in education from pre-k through college and beyond! as a united states senator, tim has used his positions on the foreign relations and armed services committees to stand up for our veterans and our values and our men and women in uniform and our security! and make no mistake, behind that smile, tim also has a backbone of steel. just ask the nra. >> ari, i want to pick up on one point kasie made. you heard secretary clinton and tim kaine hit that point that he is, in fact, a progressive. like her a progressive who likes to get things done. tim kaine talked about the progressive agenda they're going to be pushing for.

you heard her talk about how tough he is and has been on the nra. it's a clear attempt to tamp down his criticism she's gotten for this pick. she knows it's critical to unify her party as they head into the dnc. i think you're going to see more of that in the coming days. and one final point, ari, you saw tim kaine really take on the role of attack dog. that's when you expect from a vice presidential candidate. he assumed that roll with comfort today. he hit donald trump aggressively off the bat on a list of issues. his comments about nato, trump university, as well as his comments about senator john mccain i think when tim kaine hits the campaign trail for himself, the clinton campaign feeling he'll be an effective attack dog against trump. >> kristin welker and kasie hunt, thank you. i want to bring back andrea mitchell and ask where does tim

kaine fit in the response to trump's address on thursday which argued that america is dangerous. the world is dangerous, and in his view, the obama administration and the democrats don't take it seriously enough. what is tim kaine's response to that, as you heard in the speech, and from your reporting, as someone who devoted so much of his career to looking outward to the rest of the world, andrea? >> reporter: well, first of all, his comments about nato saying his son matt is about to deploy to europe. saying the 2 million men and women in the active duty and the guards deserve a commander in chief who understand what our alliances mean. also, his life has been devoted to public service. he talked about not being the me candidate. being the together candidate. so that deals with the domestic side of it. but he talked about, as kristen

said, the trump comment against mccain he promised immigration reform. the campus here is 60% hispanic. it's a very important part of the community here in miami. i don't have to tell you, ari, how important florida is in their calculation. if they can hold virginia, hold neighboring north carolina, because of tim kaine, perhaps build on his midwest roots. he's from kansas. and then get florida then the ball game is over. they would do it even without ohio. the key is you know the key is to hold pennsylvania. they love to get ohio back which denies donald trump the mid western pass. if they can pick off florida, it would be a huge step toward nailing down and deny him any path to victory. i think what he brings to the ticket is experience. and the fact he has governed, has stood up against the nra, he

has shown that he's a very effective politician. a lot of people may not have seen him give a rally speech. he was not as effective last thursday, one week ago thursday, when we were with him. when he was first trying out his style with hillary clinton in northern virginia. this speech, i thought, really pulled it all together. it showed that he could deliver both the attack lines and the softer lines. when he talked about virginia tech, he said it was the worst day of his life. he described, as governor, flying 14 hours back to be on that campus. that speech from virginia tech that day, that night, i think is going to be circulated by this campaign. he stood up against the nra, as hillary clinton mentioned today. the nra is headquartersed in his backyard in virginia. he tried and failed later on to get legislation as a senator to get those background checks for people with mental difficulties. but he at least fought the nra

and came up against them and actually won his subsequent elections. so they think he's shown a toughness and an ability to deliver. one thing that has been very apparent from the beginning to the clinton campaign. this guy does his preparation. he's not some untested vice presidential running mate. he's known for really preparing for every public appearance. you can see how well he was prepared today, ari. >> andrea mitchell, thank you for joining us from the road reporting for hillary clinton's campaign on the road. we'll see you soon in philadelphia. that's where i turn back to jamal smith. we're jumping around. we have so many people on the field on what is the biggest day for hillary clinton's campaign, to date. and gear up to come here to philadelphia. your thoughts on what we saw there in this announcement. there. >> there's a lot of hype about the fact he speaks spanish fluently. i'm encouraged he has a

vocabulary for social and racial justice. he was a civil rights attorney who handled housing discrimination cases when he came out of school. and the fact is, frankly, we need to concentrate on the instances of racism that build our news waves but the every day stuff. the stuff about systemic racism that happens to everybody applying for a loan. >> you raise an important point. pay your dues. sometimes we see politicians who reach back who say i did a thing for a year. give me credit for that. tim kaine, among other things in his career, spent 17 years working on civil rights litigation. basically going up against larger entities. powerful companies and fighting for people who he argued had been discriminated against. this was the core of his law practice before these other things. how does that play for, again, for a party db not to repeat

myself but he's not the elizabeth warren of the party. >> i think there's a little bit too much emphasis we put on the excitement factor. we need somebody that actually is interested in governance. i think the hillary clinton with this pick has shown it's her primary concern. also, you need people that continue, as she has, to basically get white people involved in the conversation about racial injustice. >> he's been more involved. he's been directly in communities and alliances and working and working incrementally. he believes you have to try to work within the system. he's not a full blown radical. what do you know about him for folks who saw the speech and think, gosh, he almost seems like iowa nice, as we used to say. >> he's a chairman. tlb nobody in the country that didn't like tim kaine. he's a nice guy. he treats people well and with respect.

i want to comment on a follow up that was said. our progressive wing is a lit upset because tim kaine voted for the trade bill. there were a lot of things that name up a progressive. >> sure. >> doing what he did for 17 years, that's about as progressive as you can do in american life and american politics. judge someone as a progressive by totality of their career. when you put tim kaine up to the test. he's a progressive. no if's, and's, or buts about it. >> we were talking about his positive attributes. here is what donald trump is pushing out. he said tim kaine has been owned bit banks. trump is overstating the case a little bit. i want to put on the screen courtesy of a washington post count on the gifts in question. $18,000 for vacationing at a

caribbean home of a big venture capitalist. $32,000 in travel expenses, $5,000 in clothing. these are -- i want to be clear, legal under virginia law. there was never an allegation of quid pro quo. donald trump is overstating or misstating the case and trying to compare it to the indictment of bob mcdonnell. having said that, governor, for a party that cares about transparency and reform and play -- pay to play. >> he reported all those gifts. they weren't transparent. there's no doubt about that. look, what we're talking about here are things that are going to affect people's futures and the country's future. i've never heard of anybody, even his harshest critic, say that tim kaine is dishonest. you said the magic words quid pro quo.

if he had taken a gift and done something for somebody that verge on inappropriate. if he took a gift and used it, maine some people wouldn't have done it. pennsylvania i couldn't have done it. >> right. the state we're sitting in has different laws. >> absolutely. i couldn't have done it. if he did something quid pro quo that's a different story. that would open him up to attack. look, the people of virginia knew about that when they voted him into the senate. they voted him into the senate resound resoundedly. hillary knew there would be a little bit of a trouble with the progressive way. she picked him nonetheless. she could have picked elizabeth warren who would have sat well. she picked him because she thought he was the best person to be president. that's the hillary clinton we know and love. >> final word. i know a lot of sanders supporters are a little bit

upset especially with the leaks of the e-mails from the democratic national committee. that said, it seems like she's nominated a true progressive. let's look at the guy's record as opposed to being whiskful about the fact that the person they wanted wasn't picked. >> right. i think you both make a point. there's a fantasy football element. people started looking a the most famous name the. tim kaine has got a record people can look at. it's a record that a lot of democrats on paper would seem to be excited about. and the speech we saw, as a matter of political pageantry, looked strong. we'll report on and see what the reception is. jamal, thank you for being here. you get to go. you stay in the heat with me, governor. we got more to talk about on a big day of democratic politics. ahead look at the republican side, the reaction of tim kaine. what people around the country are saying, as well as more on what democrats are planning to do here in philadelphia as they answer donald trump's dramatic and sometimes tragic speech last week. all of that ahead.

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. [ speaking spanish ] get out your subtitles, that's senator tim kaine moments ago firing up the crowd in miami. he's, obviously, in the national spotlight. who is he? well, we've got our panel here. jim noel, mark, and governor rendell back with us. jim, let me start with you on the introduction. you have followed this man for longer than most. let's play a little bit more of his introduction here just moments ago at that first joint appearance with hillary clinton. take a listen. >> i'm one of only 20 people in american history to serve as a

mayor, a governor, and a united states senator. i know for a lot of you, this might be the first time you're hearing me speak. let me be honest, for many of you, this is the first time you've heard my name. but that's okay. because i'm excited for us to get to know one another. >> jim, politicians aren't known for their new mihumility. he can afford to do it when he's gotten a big promotion, so to speak. what do we hear, jokes like that and that style reflect the tim kaine you've come to know in your reporting? >> reporter: absolutely, ari. there's more under the hood than you might think at first look with tim kaine. he has a very humbled and genuine attitude. he has never lost an election. in virginia, politics, like it is, i suspect, in virginia and other places is a contact sport. tim kaine has become very, very

good at it. >> and mark murray, you make it your business to follow each and every one of these national political figures. you spent a lot of time reporting only him, watching him play the harmonica and do his thing in your earlier magazine writing. tell us the portrait of this individual making this big jump? >> i think the most significant thing about tim kaine when she was introduced as a candidate in 2005 in the virginia's governor race. it come after democrats lost the 2004 presidential election. what tim kaine did, actually, served as the type of what president obama was able to do in 2008 campaign. that is mobilize a lot of urban and suburban area particularly in northern virginia, and talk about his faith. that's one of the big parts of tim kaine's biography is how big of a catholic he is. and how it instructed a lot of his public life and persona. and so what end up happening tim

kaine won in 2005 and jim webb won, barack obama won virginia in the 2008 race. won again in 2012, and now you're talking about virginia politics, you see the current polling that is there, you kind of see is virginia one of the battle grounds that might be easiest for hillary clinton to win. >> it's such a point of this moment, because republicans have been critical of what they call the identity politics of the democratic party. there are certainly identity politics if you say someone has to be an identity. be in a certain group to represent it. -- city council that basically put him in office as mayor and the coalitions he built there. speak to though. >> reporter: sure. tim kaine has always built his career around the idea of social justice. he sought common ground. and virginia, politically, is

becoming more of a blue state. it was always a red state, but with the win of president obama in 2008 and 2012, i remember being with cakaine. he stood outside the civil rights memorial and said old virginia is dead. it was a big moment for him. as we know, he was the runner up to joe biden. it was more of a hard pick for obama. he came on early and endorsed obama early. obama needed virginia and won it the first time a democrat had won virginia in decades. here we are eight years later. the president and senator kaine are very close. senator kaine also bolstered his résume. he's on the armed forces and foreign relation committee. he built in the foreign policy credentials he lacked in 2008, and he's become a very easy choice, i think, for hillary clinton. especially in virginia. i would not say that he -- that

secretary clinton needs tim kaine to win virginia. let's not forget that the governor of virginia is one of her best friends and closest political allyies. i think the democrats have a good shot in virginia regardless of tim kaine. tim kaine is not a polarizing choice. he may not be the antedote for progressives, but he's not going to offend anybody. he has the ability to handle himself in the political arena. >> i think he makes a great point there was eight years as a governor and mayor. one thing you lack is foreign policy experience. tim kaine has gotten it and gotten it in spades for his work in military affairs. the eight years were important to making him a candidate. >> what is weird, i'm going put you on the spot. people think of you as a political guy. whether that's good or bad.

it's political. you've been talking politics for, you know, decades, really. and you love it. here is a guy in tim kaine, from my experience following him within he was party chair, he was in with obama early. he doesn't read as political. is that fair to say? >> yeah. and remember tim kaine is a very complex person. almost became a priest. almost pbecame a priest. he's formed by his faith. he doesn't come across as someone who is as looking for political gain. the speech he made last week didn't seem like he had a zest. it was tried out and it was flat. today he was the happy warrior. >> right. governor rendell, jim nolan, thank you. we'll see more of you and more of mark murray throughout our coverage. also, another big topic touched

on today. the gun reform battle. why tim kaine might be leading a new charge on gun control measures. he'll be joined by one of the speakers at the dnc. the mother of a teen who was shot and killed four years ago and hillary clinton toured with her in her campaign. she's going to discuss her message, what she's doing at the convention in philadelphia, and more reaction on the big pick of tim kaine steady. stay us with. foand millions moremericans lwho feel its effects.s, let's walk together to make an even bigger impact and end alzheimer's for good.

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gun lobby in their own backyard. >> there's one last part of hillary's plan that means a lot to me personally that kind of emotional for me. i bet it's emotional for you. how to stem the epidemic of gun violence that kills 33,000 americans every year. >> gun laws have often been at the center of clinton's campaign this year. that won't change at all in philadelphia. in fact, one woman who will take the stage in next week's convention is the mother of jordan davis, a black teen shot and killed in florida during an argument that began about loud music back in 2012. jordan's mother is lucy. she joins us from atlanta. let me start for those who may not remember of showing a little bit of hillary clinton talking about your story. let's look at that. >> mother of jordan davis,

another teenager out with his friends driving around, listening to music. shot and killed by someone who thought he was playing his music too loud. who had a loaded gun in his car. and used it for a senseless purpose. so looking at that and what is obviously a tremendous and difficult history here, what does it mean to you to have a presidential candidate here looking into your story, citing it in a policy debate, and what do you hope to achieve in coming to philadelphia next week? >> well, i'm so excited because i think that 2016 is the year of gun safety. i truly believe that when our americans go to the polls in november, they're going to be going with the thought in mind

that, you know, they're going to be looking for legislators and leaders. they have to pass this litmus test of gun safety. and i true bli believe that secretary clinton will become president of the united states, and senator tim kaine will also become vice president of the united states and they will be the true gun champions for american -- gun-sense champions for americans. i think americans are paying heed and attention to 91 americans in this country are dying every day due to gun violence. for the first time, we see champions standing up for americans. trying to keep our community safe. i'm excited and i think the american people are really going to take heed to this important conversation in the fall when they go to the polls. i know that our new leaders in the white house will just do tremendous things towards moving us in a better direction. a more common sense gun safety

direction. i'm so excited to be able to go to the dnc and speak on behalf of sk tear clinton, or president clinton. i'm honored and humbled to be able to go. >> i wonder how you feel about your role in advocating very specific policies, because in what you've done thus far when clinton talk abouts are certain ideas that can be implemented. stronger background checks other vetting to deal with who has ready access to guns and what type of guns in the country. i wonder what you think of what donald trump said on thursday night. he spoke about gutting down crime. and your story involves a crime. but from a fair journalistic assessment, i think it's fair to know he didn't actually outline any domestic policy explicitly how he would deal with crime or guns, per se. did you see it as a contrast?

>> absolutely a big contrast. mr. trump has been very relaxed in talking specifically about any gun safety measures, background checks, legislation, keeping guns out of hands of dangerous criminals. he's been very reluctant to talk about those things. of course, as you know, the nra gun lobby and their leadership have backed him. so he's not going to speak out about anything that makes sense for keeping our community safe because he is being supported by the nra gun lobby and their extremist measure. no, we will not hear any rhetoric that makes gun sense from him. >> lucy mcbath, thank you for joining us. we look forward to seeing what you have to say when you're here at the convention in philadelphia. >> thank you so much. i enjoyed talking with you. >> of course. now up next what will hillary clinton's strategy be in the battle ground state of

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. donald trump is the if the you're fired guy." one thing that people will remember about donald trump is "you're fired!" >> tim kaine, a very nice guy trying to put the hurt on donald trump there. we're live with our continuing coverage in philadelphia for the big democratic convention. what is trump saying back? we have katy tur joining us with the latest from trump land. the trump train. call it what you will. he didn't waste any time. we reported on some of the tweets. >> yeah. he was tweeting all morning. as tim kaine took the stage they

spun their version of who tim kaine is. donald trump trying to sake that governor pence is a job creator. tim kaine is a job killer. they point out unemployment statistics saying they grew while tim kaine was governor of virginia and went down while governor pence has been in indiana. that's a little bit of a selective choosing of stats for the trump campaign. you could make the argument that president obama helped lift the economy as a whole in this chun, and that's why employment went up during governor pence's term in indiana. and that kaine was under president bush and unemployment was skyrocketing at that time. that's what you could say if you were the democratic party going back at the donald trump campaign. but so far i want to just mention how strikingly different these two campaigns are. in terms of the way their vps were rolled out. hillary clinton spoke for about

20 minutes elevating tim kaine. talking about his virtues. why she chose him. and tim kaine spoke for 40 minutes giving his vision of leadership to this country. selling himself and going on the attack against donald trump saying that the hillary clinton campaign is one that will be for you instead of trump's campaign which is basically a campaign for donald trump himself. donald trump, meanwhile, when he rolled out governor pence about a week ago, did so in a slightly hasty way having delayed it because of the attack in paris. and he did it by going on stage and speaking for 29 minutes mostly about himself. but one point even saying the words back to governor pence, back to mike pence. mike pence then took the stage and spoke for 12 minutes. the optics of this, it could not be more striking. whether you like donald trump or

hate hillary clinton, vice versus, the optics are not so create. hillary clinton came out with a clearly honed in message for her vice presidential pick. donald trump did not do the same. but does the american public care about reversed politics? that might not be the case. that's what donald trump has been doing the entire campaign season. turning everything on its head. >> yeah. that's an open question. but, yeah, i agree with your analysis. the contrast was huge. i remember that trump address that was on sensibly about pence and about him. it reminded me about the joke about dating men in washington. during the appetizer and main course they talk about themselves and dessert they talk about themselves and then when it's over they say enough about

me and let's talk about my book. >> the voters are tired -- the voters we see on the campaign trail, and even voters that aren't on the donald trump campaign trail seem to be tired of washington. and so donald trump has that on his side. >> no question. >> that's why i'm in philly. i feel like the voters. we'll see you again, katy tur. governor ed rendell with us along with brendon boyle. nice to have you. >> let me give you an official philadelphia welcome. philadelphia soft pretzels. got a ton in there. you cannot get them anywhere in the country. >> this is big enough -- this is what they call a pretzel. >> five pretzels, to be exact. >> beautiful! it's a fact that philadelphia soft pretzels have zero calories. when i say that's a fact, i mean fact the same way trump use the word fact. >> we're in a swing state.

it's no secret that the parties position the conventions in places where they want to get a boost. why would you think that trump would not do well here? >> first, let me acknowledge this is a brattle ground state. i it argued it international edt a year. pennsylvania went for obama by five points in 2012. he carried the nation by four points. one point more democratic than the nation to begin with. we overlap two regions in the country. we have philadelphia. i represent part of the city, part of the suburbs, a growing democratic majority in the suburbs. in southwestern pa, which begins the midwest and appalachia, we have the exact opposite trend. the sort of areas that have been blue now becoming red. so i think trump will do poorly in this part of the state and suburban philadelphia, especially with white collar workers that romney did fairly well with, however that said, we have to be realistic, trump will overperform romney.

>> when he says i am your voice. do you think that works in rural pennsylvania? >> there's a lot you saw internationally in the brexit vote and other elections. there's a lot of that anxiety and anger at quote, unquote, the establishment. donald trump is the establishment. >> he's not the political establishment. >> but when we talk about the establishment, it's not just politics. people involved in finance and business who are part of this country. he's been living in a manhattan penthouse longer than i've been alive. the idea he's a blue collar champion like bruce springsteen is a fraud. >> he's right. he talks about trade and the fact that we export jobs to other countries. everything he makes is made in some foreign country. whether it's ireland, korea -- >> you know the counter

argument. you might be for higher taxes on certain income brackets. unless the policy change you pay the current taxes. he argues -- >> if he cared about the american work. have it made in america. >> let me push you. most companies under a fiduciary duty. their point they go where the profits can be made. >> we're talking about trump dies, et. cetedie ties, et. cetera. >> you think those are his values. >> absolutely. for example, i have five employees now. i pay 100% of their health care. i am one of the last people to do it. i do it because i want to. it's part of my values. no one is forcing me to do that. i make a little less profit. he could do the same. keep the jobs here. >> look -- >> those are made in america. >> i'm going to finish these today. thank you for bringing them. congressman, governor, great to

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. >> senator tim kaine is everything donald trump and mike pence are not. [ cheers and applause ] he is a progressive who likes to get things done. [ cheers and applause ] that's just my kind of guy, tim. >> i'm grateful to you, hillary, for the trust you have placed in me, and we're going to be -- [ speaking spanish ] >> good afternoon! i'm joy reid coming to you live from independence hall