>> good saturday afternoon to you. i'm ari melber. and at this hour, it is the democratic duo debuting. >> i have to say that senator tim kaine is everything donald trump and mike pence are not. he is qualified to step into this job and lead on day one. and he is a progressive who likes to get things done.

>> hillary clinton appearing for the first time with senator tim kaine on stage. that is of course as she confirms him as her pick for a running mate which she announced via text message last night. with hours to go until this convention officially kicks off right here in philadelphia, the virginia senator made it clear to today's crowd in miami he is ready fto to whatever it takes o elect the first woman president. >> these are tough times for many of in our country, but we're tough people. tough times don't last, but tough people do. and they don't come any tougher or anymore compasss passionate than hillary clinton. so let's go make history. >> tim kaine making the case for hiller to. we go to kasie hunt who has been covering all the action in miami. one of the lanes that really st stuck out to me is when tim

kaine said you need a leader who has a passion for everything but himself more or less a knock at the caricature of donald trump. >> reporter: i think part of what this event showed and what the clinton campaign wants to underscore is this idea that donald trump can help go after donald trump in a way that comes across as genuine. and you really did see tim kaine's colloquial style on stage. you could see both hillary clinton and tim kaine seemed excited legitimately, happy to be on stage with each other, happy to be at this point. they seemed to make each other stronger in that way. hillary clinton focusing on words we heard from donald trump at the convention. take a look at a piece of her speech, an into discussiroducti running mate today. >> when someone says "i alone

with fix it," that should set off alarm bells in not just democrats' mind, but republican, independents, people of all ages and backgrounds. that is not a democracy. >> reporter: so there you have a little bit of clinton today. i will also tell you we have new details about how this all played out. we of course were trying all day yesterday to nail todown exactl who she was going to pick, how they were concealing it. we learn that several of hillary clinton top staffers including her campaign chairman got in a freight elevator in brooklyn, secretly flew to rhode island where tim kaine was holding a fundraiser, drove to newport

where clinton called tim kaine telling him poe decem poe h. po toe was hiding out waiting to pick him up. they were about an hour late to the event today part lid because t ly because the two of them were talking. and kaine got a call last night from obama congratulating him on this pick. >> road trip with john poe december toe on a happy day, a car to an fly on the wall. thank you so much p. for more reaction in philadelphia, i'm joined by joe maloney and columnist chris brennan. and in miami where the action was, our democratic strategist. thanks to everyone for being here. chris, on the local vibe, you look at the gun issue, i want to play a little bit of sound from

kaine. we don't often hear national democrats bring up guns as the first thing they want to run on. take a listen. >> i know the nra, they're headquartered in my state in virginia. they campaigned against me in every statewide race that i've ever run, but i've never lost an election. i don't mind powerful groups campaigning depends me that is just like an extra cup of coffee to me. just gets me more excited. >> chris, democrats betting this issue is changing for them. >> i think so. he spoke very emotionly abo lll the subject and in pennsylvania, this has been a big fight. there is a long running legal battle about who can regulate the ownership of the legal guns. and that will litigate in the courses in a long time.

and i think it will play very well in places like pittsburgh and scrap ton and philadelphia and poorly in places like jorge county, planlancaster county, butler.ton and philadelphia and poorly in places like jorge county, lancaster county, butler. >> how do you see as an antidote to what donald trump is saying? he says basically things are bad, maybe even worse than you've heard, and he will be tough. where the did thats are saying, yeah, some things are bad, but there is a bunch of major instance of gun violence and policies that could help stem that. beginning the data is on the side of democrats on this issue. if we take the announcement and rollout today, a little bit of red meat for the base, however this is an issue that folks are crapling with in their communities and neighborhoods. and with the emotional story that senator kaine has attached to it from virginia tech massacre, he's appropriated himself as solutions minded. so the contrast with donald trump is very stark which is

that we will work on this together because it's a critically important issue for our community. >> and the contrast that joe is talking about, that also comes up in the whole idea of whether trump is assertive or aggressive gepdi in depending on how you put it and whether there should be more bridge building. take a listen to kaine about talking trash. >> do you want a trash talking president or a bridge building president? of course you do. donald trump frash talks folks with disabilities. trash talks mexican americans and latinos whether they're new immigrants or governors or federal judges. trash talks women, trash talks oral lies. calls the military a disaster. you're right, he doesn't trash talk everybody. he likes vladimir putin. let's get that straight. >> we pull that had sound

because it's notable that he makes that contrast and also shows that tim kaine is someone who can ad rib on foreign policy. how do you think it is playing in florida? >> it is playing extraordinarily well. we came into the announcement hearing the words vanilla, dry, a little boring. and what was so amazing certainly me and a lot of folks watching around the country was how tim kaine overperformed to all those expectations. you saw a guy that was very comfortable in his own skin. had a real connection not just with the audience clearly with hillary clinton, as well. spoke from the cuff. i think sounded very heartfelt, came across very gasoline wenui what he did in spanish, i don't think there is in history of american politics a major candidate for vice president or president for that matter that can speak fluent spanish like that. it compounds the problem donald trump is going to have with hispanic voters and there not

enough taco bell -- or taco bull tweets touchdown can send to overcome the ditch he's in with hispanic voters and i think tim kaine just threw him a shovel. >> you had a convention speech that talked about we don't want these people in our country, which is an echo of pat bucha n buchanan's famous only campaigning, a statistic city that seems to have globe. and now tim kaine saying that he's a building builder.city that seems to have globe. and now tim kaine saying that he's a building builder. donald trump tweeted is in the same kaine that took hundreds of thousands of dollars of gifts and did not get indicted when bob m did. and a senator saying trying to count the ways i hate tim kaine, drawing a blank. congrats to a good plman and go friend. >> we hat senator pat toomey in

pennsylvania and he put out a statement yesterday that said he thought hillary clinton would be a disaster as president, but then went on to laugh injuvish n tim kaine. i think there was a question whether he could serve as an attack dog. i remember covering him in 2010 when he was chairman of the democratic national committee during the midterm elections and he was a little flat on the stage. that was a rough year for democrats and he was not very fiery. he didn't perform that well. and this being lookeded like a new tim kaine. >> it did. joe, you worked campaign events. on some days they show up, on some days they don't. tim kaine looked strong and excited to be there today. you're going into it a convention where the republicans seemed to struggle to react to events at their own convention. the ted cruz moment was like a call they made and then they were spinning it. it reminds me of the famous

saying in jamaica, we run things, things don't run we. and at the rnc, it seems like things were running the convention. contrast that with the challenge here in philadelphia now that the ticket has been filled out. what do they have to do at the same time when clinton is often accused of being overly scripted? >> i can tell you that they won't throw away their shots this week. it's the republicans did it in cleveland. the convention is arguably the second campaign after the primaries. this is a critically important week. upwards of 20 million perhaps viewer as night. so what we won't be talking about a week from now are fumbled speeches, nonendorsements and poor organization. so i think you will hear a lot of solutions. i think you will hear a vision for the future. you will hear about how we can bring communities together by listening to one another, by working together. senator kaine hit it out of the park today. i think americans will learn that this is a bridge builder

above all and there is no more pointed contrast for democrats this week after cleveland than that message specifically. >> and finally with the time we have left, how much does that matter, how much do voters actually look at the convention which is are obviously performances but look at them as an example of how the respective parties might lead the country itself? >> i don't think anybody will remember the convention even five, six weeks after it's all done. what they will remember is the feeling, the perception that they have, the emotion thatsurf. and the word that came to my mind today was competent. the idea that this this was a competent serious individual talking about his experience in public life if the democrats can come out of the convention projecting this feeling of competence and seriousness and let that ring in the bell of the american voter that is a win for them and i

think that's what you will want them is to see coming out of philadelphia. >> confidence not always the most exciting political message, but democrats betting it may be chaos. thanks for joining us on a busy day. up ahead, we'll have a lot more here on the big new as. we do know who will be on the ballot, what you does it take to win and what are the new numbers up to grabs including pennsylvania where we're broadcasting from. and does tim kaine have a chance to help here. that's all straight ahead. i love my shop, but my back pain was making it hard to sleep

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might be the first time you're hearing me speak. let me be honest, the first time you've even heard my name. but that's okay because i'm excited for us to get to know one the another. >> tim kaine could ultimately deliver his home state of virginia for the democrats in november, but will he help the democratic ticket in other swing states? jim nolan, politics reporter, and back with us here onset joe maloney. jim, you've covered tim kaine for a long time. talk about his political style in reaching out beyond the core democratic base. >> tim kaine has an ability to connect with people from all walks of life. and everyone who has met him has said that they felt some connection with him. of course he comes from fairly humble beginnings. son of a welder in kansas city, he was a civil rights housing lawyer after graduating harvard,

but he took a break he from harvard to be a catholic missionary in honduras where he learned how to speak spanish which we saw today he employed to very effective use in a crowd that he everyone admitted didn't really know who he was. so certainly i think he's a good choice for hillary clinton in that he has a broad appeal not just in virginia which he might not really need to be on the ticket for hillary to win, but across the country where the hispanic demographic is getting more and more influential in certain swing states. kaine's ability to communicate, his ability to connect with people both inside the belt way and outside the belt way as he's done in virginia could be very effective for him.belt way and outside the belt way as he's done in virginia could be very effective for him. >> you mentioned virginia reflecting blue and i think that is the conventional wisdom. it hadn't gone blue since 196 #, but we can put the battle ground map up. virginia still a toss up state

as is north carolina, pennsylvania, ohio, new hampshire, iowa, coal. >> caller: colorado and nevada. put the running mates aside, donald trump drstruggles particularly out west, what does tim kaine do in a place like ohio or north carolina and the message he brings? >> mid western sensibility. >> jim, i'll go to you. >> mid western sensibility i think is very relate ability and something that will have plenty of appeal in ohio. being the son of a welder, being will sort of humble individual from kansas city, those roots matter. i was struck in his speech about his catholic upbringing and his faith centered life, this notion of the high school theme was men unto others. in faith community, that means something and he's taken it into

his professional career as a public servant. this is somebody who working pro bono and wife working hard to raise three amazing children he found time to start a coalition to end homelessness. in and you make the point politics is fluid. we're having this conversation taking it as a given thatand yo politics is fluid. we're having this conversation taking it as a given that religion is a clear part of his value system and we're coming off republican convention where you have a nominee who didn't talk about god or faith issues at the all in his speech which is fine, his call, but again, it show as migration in the politics that you don't stop and notice it it's actually quite different than where the parties were even recently. jim, i cut you off before on the technicality. go ahead. >> i think that is very, very true. he has a broad appeal. of course his position on abortion, he's personally opposed to it, but he's never done anything to stop or infringe upon the rights of women to access that service.

he has affirmed that as governor and senator. and certainly today on the campaign trail. as a catholic he's opposed to the death penalty, yet as governor he never it anything to stop executions that were lawful under virginia law from going forward. so tim kaine knows how to walk the line between his personal beliefs and what he sees as his responsibility as a senator/governor/statesman. my guess is that he's a safe pick in that respect. in he >> he's also been an executive this charge of the state government and all the responsibility that bears. take a listen to his response here to this thin a terrible sh at virginia tech. >> april 16, on 2007, that was the worst day of my life. it was the worst day of so many

people's lives. and for the parents and loved ones of those kids and professors, that pain never goes away. >> he's obviously walking a careful line speaking about something that tragic at a political rally. you could even hear a smattering of applause and then realizing, well that's not that kind of moment. but from you covering him, how did that figure into his approach to running the state? >> certainly i think it shows something most people who have been around him know and even people who just met him for the first time today, people i talked to said that it makes him human, it makes him real. i think in this age where everybody is talking about they were against establishment politician, against people who say the right things at the right time, they're against political stage craft, here and you have guy who seems genuinely touched by something, bringing up a very sensitive topic at a

speech that could have gone in a much different direction and then very skill fle fully he tu the emotion of that moment into an argument for a better way to control firearm proliferation in the country. so tim kaine knows how to get his point across without biting someone over the head with it and i think that is a very counter type of political course that we're not seeing as much in the presidential politics up to this point. >> searcertainly there will are reasons to be disaffected with the establishment, but we can't go through a rld wouworld of po where anyone who has a public service job is counted out. i think that is a nonpartisan moment that people can understand what leadership requires. jim nolan, thank you for all of your reporting for us today. and joe stays with me here in

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when donald trump says he has your back, you better watch out. from atlantic city to his so-called university, he leave as trail of broken promises and wrecked lives wherever he goes. we can't afford to let him do the same thing to our country. and folks, we don't have to because hillary clinton is the direct opposite of donald trump.

>> that was tim kaine in miami, in attack mode against donald trump. and saying something i guess both sides would agree on, that hillary clinton and trump are opposite, it's just whether you think that is good or bad or in-between. katy tur has been tracking the republican response. one of the things that donald trump is certainly good at is controlling and directing a lot of tv and social media. on a day like today even he can't do that because they're making the news on the democratic side. so what is he doing? >> he seems that he's taken aback seat today tweeting up a storm, though, about -- excuse me, senator tim kaine. almost said mike pence. tweeting up a storm about the vice president pick trying to paint him as corrupt. they're referring to the $150,000 worth of gifts that tim kaine accepted when he was governor while that is not illegal, and he didn't do anything wrong there, they're

trying to say that he used his position of power to benefit himself instead of benefiting the american public or the people of virginia. that is the their difference they have been painting and they will extend it with mike pence. the rnc tweeting that governor pence is not progressive, that bernie sanders saupporter will not be happy, that he feels strongly about abortion in his personal life and somebody that they're trying to say that bernie sanders supporters are not the going to agree with, somebody like elizabeth warren would have been more in their camp. so trying to claim that the democratic party is currently undergoing much of the same strife that the republican party is in the midst of right now with donald trump. after all you saw a pretty contentious convention a couple days ago. the trump camp is also saying that tim kaine didn't do a very good job with unemployment in

his state, that it was double the amount of unemployment that governor pence was experiencing in his state of indiana. that governor pence got in and cut unemployment in half. they're trying to say that tim kaine is a job killer while governor pence is a job creator. they point to his lack of accomplishments as governor. they're trying to take him down on policy, take him down on his character with these gifts and paint him in the same light, the same establishment i'm in it for myself, not in it for anybody else light that they were going after hillary clinton with. >> katy tur, thank you for that report. back with me here in philadelphia is joe malone any and we're joined by executive director of the democratic party in the state of new york. let's start with the theory that there is discord in the democratic party on par with the republican party. if we were going to try to look for a factual version of that,

we would expect right here in philadelphia that in the coming days that bernie sanders monday night would give, what, a speech saying vote your conscience and then hillary clinton would jump out on the floor, world wrestling style and then they would fight about it for a day and a half. would that be the test to see whether that claim is equal and fair? >> i suppose that is a test, but i don't think you'll see that. look, i'm not going to sugar coat it. there have been some differences between the campaigns but we're moral like than different quite frankly. if you look at the sanders supporters, these are people who we in the state party have not neglected. we haven't rigged the system in that regard at all. >> you're talking about the new york state party. >> right. >> you're saying the allegations in for example the national party was taking sides with hillary. >> i've worked with members of

the dnc for the last year and a half towards this convention, towards this primary and general election. and they have been nothing but fair and honest in talking about how we need to be supportive of all the candidates. my counterparts across the country have said the exact same thing because the bernie sanders supporters and hillary clinton supporters, people that we have known before this process and have to work with after this process especially when we're electing governors and senators and state legislators. >> isn't there another difference that ted cruz is basically saying to donald trump you are so extraordinarily concerning i can't in good conscience, his boarwords, supp you. and bernie sanders says we agree on things, i want more than you're willing to do, but i'll work but. that seems pretty different. >> absolutely. candidates on the republican side insulted one another. we had a conversation about the future of the democratic party

and the future of the country and it was a respectful conversation, it was constructive, it brought more people into the process. and this is how we'll move forward. and senator sanders is a huge part of that we could quags. >> i want you to both stay with us. a quick programming note, you won't want to miss chuck todd's interview with donald trump. that conversation will be tomorrow of course where else, on "meet the press." now, ahead thousands are coming right here to philadelphia. we're broadcasting before the convention. we'll have reporting on another important part of all this, the security ahead of such a massive gathering. and the country getting to know tim kaine. who he is and three things you might not know that we haven't covered all day. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town.

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we always hope for the best. jacob rascon has the latest on all the preparations. what are you city? >> reporter: philadelphia has already had a national special security event in the last year, the pope coming last fall. so they're well prepared to this kind of thing. so part of the big part of the 3,000 federal officers and the agents that team in cleveland has now come here to do about the same thing. of course you have the secret service inside and homeland security and then you have the philadelphia police department, that will be a bit different than cleveland. because this department is so much bigger, so they won't bring in thousands of officers from outside, they will handle it themselves with a little bit of assistance from the about pennsylvania state troopers. they also here this philadelphia got a big federal security gran pennsylvania state troopers. they also here this philadelphia got a big federal security gr t grant, about $43 million. you will see some of the steel fences, as well. and as far as protesters go, we

expect a lot of protesters. in cleveland, we had organizer of the protests, 11,000 people planning to come to protest, in the end we only got maybe 500, 600 throughout the week. here in philadelphia, organizers of the protests here say we will get tens of thousands of protest ares. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butprotesto ares. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butr ares. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butares. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butres. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butes. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, buts. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, but we expect more than we got in cleveland. philadelphia police and federal officers say that they're ready for this, special agent in charge has said that they have found no credible threat. like in cleveland, the moths the ness they're worried about is disturbance from the protester and any lone wolf attack that they say they have been preparing for for over a year. >> jacob rascon, thank you very much. up next, a little bit more of a look at the candidate, hillary

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welcome back. we're five days away from hillary clinton taking the stage just a few miles from here and make history accepting the democratic party nomination in philadelphia. it has been a long road and we put together something a little special right now. a look back. america first introduced to her 24 years ago. she was a lawyer and unapologetic about her career. >> you know, i suppose i could have stayed home and baked cookies and had tea, but what i decided to do was fulfill my profession. >> then as first lady, she did fulfill her profession, was passionate about health care, a push that did ultimately fail. >> i'm here as a mother, a wife, a daughter, a sister, a woman.

i'm here as an american citizen concerned about the health of her family and the health of her nation. >> if aand as a wife she stood her husband when scandal hit. coining this familiar phrase. >> this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president. >> she went from the white house to capitol hill winning of course new york senate seat will in 2000 and then 9/11 hit on her watch in new york, those attacks on the world trade center and pentagon. >> this is one of those moments that will long be remembered, the kind of show of support and concern that our. >> caller:. >> caller: leagues have given to this city and state, to the families is really unprecedented.have given to this city and state, to the families is really unprecedented. it will never be for gotten. >> seven years on, she ran

against barack obama, that campaign proved to be emotional for clinton, that was evident of course as everyone remembers on the eve of new hampshire's primary. >> i have so many opportunities in this country. i just don't want to see us fall backwards. this is very personal for me. >> personal as it was, she then worked to unify her party. >> it is time it take back the country we love. and whether you voted for me or barack, the time is now. >> that unity was returned by

being appointed for secretary of state. she did many things, of course her handling on the attack this benghazi and clinton said she could have done more to prevent the tragedy and went after republicans. >> with all due respect, the fact is we have four dead americans. was it because of a protest or guys out for a walk one night who decided they would kill some american? what difference at this point does it make? >> that investigation led to the uncovering of another scandal, her use of a private e-mail server. >> we went through a thorough process to identify all of my work-related e-mails and deliver them to the state department. at the end, i chose not to keep my private personal e-mails. e-mails about planning chelsea's wedding or my mother's funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends as well as yoga routine, family vacations, the

other things you typically find in inboxes. >> that is of course only a sampling as jerry garcia would say, what a long strange trip it has been for hillary clinton and anyone watching this story as she becomes, gentlemen, on the precipice of being officially the first nominee of a major party for president. you can't take that away from her. it is in many views long overdue and yet as an aide to hillary, how do you deal? >> i couldn't be more proud to have had the opportunity to work with her and for her. i worked on her first senate race, in her senate office, and i was in the office when 9/11 took place. i remember what it was like at that time and we had gone into the office and members of congress and senate from around the country were coming in from new york to try to be helpful and i took them on tours of the site to say, you know, this is where we are now, but this is how we need to be able to move forward. she's one of the most converdit

verse santa in public policy and i'm glad it be here. now on the precipice of becoming the president of united states. i'm glad it be here. now on the precipice of becoming the president of united states. >> it's really something. my editor is not exactly -- my political editor is not an emotional gauy, but he said thi is something, this is history, this convention will be unlike any we have ever covered before. >> and yet it's almost like one of those overcovered storms where the media covers the storm so much before it hits that when it actually its, you're like is this storm over? another storm is just starting. but we've been talking about it for so long and hillary clinton is so famous and yet in some way maybe unfair but seems still unknowable. >> there is a wall around the clinton family and part of the

problem is their scandals tend to metastasize. let's remember the attempted impeachment of bill clinton started with a real estate deal and ended with monica lewinsky. when people go after the clintons for one thing, they you're find another and that becomes their promise. >> and do they metastasize because there is so much wrong there, in the case of what you just mentioned a lot of people thought a runaway prosecutor just moved beyond what his actual charge was, or the e-mail server, do they metastasize because there are weird decisions ta decisions that get made because looks ridiculous now. we have so much more coverage ahead, just won't be with us. thank you both for being here for several hours. that wraps it up for me. i will be doing facebook live from the convention. you can find me at facebook.com/ari melber. as if ab for what we have aheadt

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welcome back. i said that we were signing off before the commercial break. that's not the true. it's 97 degrees and i got confused. we have one block left, but it's good block. you may have heard that tim kaine has all kinds of special attributes. he spoke spanish today, but did you know he also delivered the first entirely spanish speech another senate floor are? we'll walk through three things that you might not know about tim kaine. here is number one. >> i ask unanimous consent that i be able to deliver a floor

speech in spanish. >> without objection. >> i will provide a translation in english for the congressional record. [ speaking spanish ] >> we're back in philadelphia. spanish is one of the more known, but what do you make of it? >> i think it's a great way to reach out to ensure the base. kaine is well accepted by the establishment, but a good way to counter a problem that donald trump has with latinos. >> joe, i have a really good one for you and it involves tim kaine spelling. he actually won the 2013 national press club spelling bee which i only learned today.

take a listen. >> isscintil-c-i-n-t-i-l-s-c-i-. >> senator kaine -- >> nopare-o-p-a-r-e-i-ln-o-p-a-. >> that is correct. you are the champion. >> joe? >> a man of many talents. who more is there not to like. speaking spanish, national spelling bee champion. and i've been told a big royals fan. in this category of him being an insanely likeable individual. could be commander in chief. >> too likeable? >> look, if being competent, having many talents and again being highly accomplished as an executive makes you likeable and boring, i'll double down on that

with the democratic party. >> and number three is tim kaine can play the harmonica. i think we have a little bit of that. ♪ >> i don't think you can understatement this one. a lot of people think they can play harmonica and i'll one them. i saw him earlier today, i googled it doing the opening to the beatles love me do and he's very good. >> you raised an important point that we don't address enough which is there is something about small instruments that are less intimidating, right? nobody walks up to a chel lello says i'll be all over that. i know people that just do it at a campfire. >> and it should stay outside and probably never come indoors.

>> yeah, i agree. as someone who quit piano lessons. >> so rounding it out when you look at this guy, it is fascinating. he is so different and we talked so much about him as complementing hillary clinton, but there is clearly is a big contrast to donald trump where you have loud versus humble, where you have new to the game and despair ramging of every aspect where on paper one of the most experienced vice presidential nominees in the modern era. >> when i first heard the cape canaveral kaine pick being i thought of it in the terms of mike pence. a good pick because he won't upstate hillary clinton. but now i'm starting to reconsider. because tim kaine delivered a great speech in miami today. he is very personable. there may be that element of him

being known and new and people will be interested in him, that may accentuate the idea of hillary as a very women known unknown person about that. >> and just today, more than one republican have said, oh, what if we flipped both these tickets. lindsey graham and bill kristol are unhappy with trump. but the idea that the running mates now are pretty well liked and popular. thank you so much for joining us. that is our hour. we have been covering it live out of philadelphia on msnbc for the convention. chris jansing picks things up after a quick break. thanks for watching.

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