doing the right thing has never been easier. legalzoom. legal help is here. this sunday, the democratic national convention gets under way here in philadelphia. after a raucous and unpredictable republican convention that ended with the nomination of donald trump. >> i am with i am with you. i will fight for you. you, and i. >> this morning my sit-down with donald trump. on his convention speech. >> the only negre views were a little dark. >> as if he's backing off hn his muslim ban. >> i don't think it's proecht. in fact you could say it is a expansion. >> and tim kaine. >> tim kaine was a slap in the face to bernie sanders. >> plus hillary clinton and tim kaine hit the road in florida.

>> tim kaine is everything donald trump and mike pence are not. >> but some bernie sanders supporters are criticizing the kaine pick as a sellout to moderates. i'll talk to sanders and get his reaction to that and the d.c. wikileaks e-mail release. and joining me tonight: trump, sanders and reaction to the new democratic ticket. welcome to sunday and a special edition of me"meet the press" a the democratic national convention. >> in philadelphia, a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good morning. we're at the wells fargo center

here in philadelphia. home of the 76ers and the fliers. democrats have begun to arrive with a pretty mad heat wave and beginning tomorrow they will gather to official nominate hillary clinton. yesterday hillary clinton was joined by senator tim kaine of virginia in an up beet event that was notable simply to the contrast of the disorganized rollout of donald trump's running mate a week earlier, mike pence. >> hillary clinton, she doesn't insult people. she listens to them. what a novel concept, right? she doesn't trash our hoallies. she respects them. and she'll always have our backs. that is something i am rock solid sure of. >> we'll get to the reaction of the new democratic ticket later in the show including my interview with senator sanders of vermont. in a moment. but first we're always going to talk about sanders t wikileak

e-mails and what they may say about dnc favoritism towards hillary clinton. i traveled to trump national golf club in new jersey last night for a face to face interview since dropping the word presumptive. it's his first one from the nominee title. we touched on so much. tim kaine, tax returns. his proposed restriction ossen muslim immigration and why he alone can fix the count rice problems. but i began by asking him how it feels to be republican nominee for president of the united states. >> well it really feels great. and we really have a very unified party other than a very small group of people that frankly lost. and we have a very unified party. and you saw that the other night with the love in the room and the enthusiasm. there are people that say they have never seen anything like what was going on in that room, especially thursday night. >> you bring up thursday night. i got ask about your entrance.

that monday night entrance was something else. i know you got a lot of feedback. >> got a little lucky and a couple of people had the idea and i went along with the idea and everybody just worked right. and it was so good they wanted to do it on thursday night. and i said never in a million years because you will never get it that way again. vince a good friend of mine. but i didn't want want to do it a second time. never works out the second time. >> let's get to the speech. but first let's talk the -- you have seen some of the positive reviews. some of the negre views and today oyou see what happene

with afghanistan. so many people killed. and yesterday was munich. and i know they are saying maybe it wasn't terrorism. maybe it was just a crazy guy. but in the meantime he's scre screaming allah akbar as he's shooting people. we'll sew how that turns out. and all of a sudden people said maybe it wasn't dark at all. but the only thing that some people said it was a little dark. it was a little tough. >> did you think it was dark? >> to me it was optimistic. >> what makes it -- >> because we're going to solve the problems. we're going to solve the problems. in other words showers sure i talk about the problems. but we're going to solve the problems. >> alone can fix it. and some people that sounded too strong-mannish for them. dunes that criticism? and what do you make of it? >> part of it, i'm comparing myself to hillary. and i know hillary. and we look at her record. her record has been a disaster. and i am running against

hillary. it is not like i'm running against the rest of the world. i know people that are very very capable that could do a very good job. but they could never get elected. i can tell you i give you the names of ten, eleven people who would do extraordinary. but for governing they would be good. i'm running, you know, against one person. >> you said there would be consequences for any company that tried to move a factory -- >> absolutely -- >> what -- you bring up carrier a lot. -- >> carrier is just an example. >> explain the consequence. >> here is the consequence. >> what would it be? >> carrier comes in they announce they're moving to mexico, fire all their people in indiana and say hi here we are mexico. enjoy your plant and rest of your life and you hire people if mexico. now they make their product and put it into the united states and we don't charge them tax. there will be a tax to be paid. if they are going to be firing their people, move their plant

to mexico, build air conditioners and think they are going to sell those to the united states. there is going to a tax. >> what kind of tax. >> it could be 10, 15, 25%. i haven't determined. we have been working on trying to stop this government. because they don't know what they are doing. not only obama. they have been trying stop this before obama. they tried low interest loans. zero interest. >> -- the through the world trade organization. >> then we're going renegotiate or we're going to pull out. these trade deals are a disaster. world trade organization is a disaster. >> the concern is that it would rattle the world economy. look what brexit did? >> the stock market is higher now than it was when it happened. and by the way i'm the only one of all these people at the higher level of the world -- the wonderful world of politics. i'm the only one who said brexit is going to happen. remember i was and asked the question?

i said yes i think they are going to approve it. i think they want independence. i don't think they want people pouring into their country. >> do you think a fractured europe is good for america? >> no. no. but we're spending a lot of money on europe. go don't forget europe got together why? primarily they got together so they could beat the united states when it comes to making money on trade. and now we talk about europe like so wonderful. hey, i have europe. i have property in europe. i'm just saying the reason it got together was like a consortium so it could compete with the united states. >> all this is good for america even though it is not good more europe? >> look at air bus. they make more planes now than boing. they together, all of these countries got together so they could beat the united states. okay? so we're in competition. we're in competition in one way. we're helping them in another way. it is so messed up. >> the muslim ban. i think you have pulled back from it. but you tell me. >> "me must immediately suspend

immigration from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism until such time as proven vetting mechanisms have been put in place. >> this feels like a slight roll back. should we interpret it as that. >> i don't think so it is a roll back. in fact you could say it is an expansion. i'm looking now at territories. people are so ups whupset when use the word muslim. and remember this. i'm talking territory instead of muslim. but just remember this. our constitution is great. but it doesn't necessarily give u.s. the right to commit suicide. okay? now we have a religious, you know -- everybody wants to be protected and that's great. and that's a wonderful part of our constitution. i view it differently. why are we committing suicide. why are we doing that? but you know what? i live with our constitution. i love our constitution. i cherish our constitution. we are making it territorial. we have nations and we'll come

out. i'm going to be coming out over the next few weeks with number of places and it is very complex because we have problems in germany and france. >> i was going to ask that. would this limit emigration from france? >> what we're going to have a -- >> they have been compromised by terrorism. >> they have. and it is their own fault. because they allowed people dom in their territory. >> so you would toughen up. hey, french want to come over here. you got go through an extra check. >> their own fault. they have allowed people for years to come into their own territory. and that's why brexit happened. the uk is saying we're tired of this. >> you can get to the point where you are not allowing a lot of people come into this country. >> maybe we get to that point. chuck look what's happening. afghanistan, they blow up a whole shopping center with people. no idea how many people are even killed. happened today. so we have to be smart. we have to be vigilant. we have to be strong.

we can't be the stupid people. >> france, germany, spain, places that have been compromised. >> here is what i want. extreme vetting. tough word. >> what does that look like? >> tough. we're gonna have tough standards. >> give me one. >> if a person can't prove they are from app area and if they can't prove what they need to prove they are not coming into this country. and i would stop them in two seconds. hillary clinton wants to take 550% more people coming in from that area than barack obama. i think she's crazy. i think she's crazy. we have no idea who these people are for the most part. and you know because i've seen them on different shows but more importantly i've read about it, i study it. there is no way that you can vet some of these people. there is no way. law enforcement officials, i've had them in my office. i've talked too them. >> you realize some of these have nowhere to go.

they are truly victims of this civil war. what do you do with them? >> we will help them and we will build safe havens over in syria and. >> we in united states will build -- >> we can united states will get gulf states to pay for it. because we right now we're going to have 21 trillion dollars very soon -- trillion -- in debt. we'll so safe havens and safe zones in syria and we'll get nations that are so wealthy they are not doing anything. they are not going much. they have nothing must money. you know who i'm talking about. the gulf states. we would lead it. i don't want to pay. because our country is going down the tubes. we owe too much money. >> mitch mcconnell said this about your nato remarks in the norktsds. he said it was a rookie mistake. and that once you -- a rookie mistake and it proves that trump needs people like us to help steer him in the right direction on some basic things. >> he's a hundred percent wrong.

okay? he's a hundred percent wrong. if he said that. >> he did say that. "new york times." >> if he said that he's a hundred percent wrong. and frankly it's sad. we have nato and we have many countries that aren't paying for what they are supposed to be paying. which is already too little but they are not paying anyway. and we're giving them a free ride or a ride where they owe us tremendous amounts of money. and they have the money. but they are not paying it. >> so aestonia is paying it. and if they get i invaded -- >> i feel differently. >> but -- >> we have countries that aren't weighi way paying. we take care of japan, south korea, saudi arabia. and we lose on everything. we lose on everything. if mitch mcconnell says that, then he's wrong. all i'm saying is they have to pay. now, a country gets invaded. they haven't paid. oh but we have a treaty.

they have a treaty too. they are supposed to be paying. we have koubcountries within na that are taking advantage of them. i believe they are going to pay. and when they pay i'm a big believer in nato. but if they don't pay? chuck this isn't 50 years ago. not 30 years ago. we are a different country today. we are much weaker. our military is depleted. we owe tremendous amounts of money. we have to be reimbursed. we can no longer be the stupid country. >> when we come back, what donald trump says about david duke, bernie sanders and whether he really plans to spend millions for the sole purpose of defeating ted cruz and john kasich. and later i talk to bernie sanders about trump and about his reaction to tim kaine becoming hillary clinton's running mate. we're in philadelphia, site of the democrat national

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such a beautiful city here. welcome back. worn out my interview with donald trump at the trump national golf club in bed minster, new jersey. and since we had a limited

amount of time i asked trump some names in the news. >> i'm going to throw out a name. and you will know the question i'm asking. >> bernie sanders. great respect for what he's done. he's been taken advantage of. and frankly the system was rigged, i'm the first to say it. was rigged against him. and by the way he is really. >> you took after him for supporting hillary clinton. >> well i'm not a fan of bernie sanders. but i am a fan of one thing he talks about. he's the only one on that side that understands trade. now he can't do anything about it because that is not his thing. but he has been gamed. he has been -- it is a rigged system against him. and what happened with the choice of tim kaine was a slap in the face to bernie sanders and everybody. i was shocked. i love it for my standpoint. >> why do you love the kaine pick? >> will first of all he took a hundred thousand dollars of gifts and we said well they

weren't gifts. they were suits and -- >> legal. legal in the. >> well -- finish for taking a fraction of that. >> they proved quid pro quo on that. >> excuse me. and took a fraction of what kaine took. how do you take all these gifts? hundreds of thousands of dollars. the other thing about him? he's bought and owned by the banks and the third thing, he's in favor of tpp and every other trade deal he's ever looked at. and that means he wants people not to work. now he is going to change his tune. and i understand he's now going to say i'm against tpp. hillary clinton was totally in favor of tpp, which is a job killer. right? so is he. when she watched me on your show and other shows she changed because she knows she can't win that end of the debate. >> ted cruz, i'm going to amend it. are you really going to fund a

super pac to help defeat him in 2018? >> well it is not number one on my mind. what's on my mind is beating hiary clinton. what is on my mind is winning for the republican party. with that said yeah i'll do a super pac when they run, against kasich. for 10 to $20 million. against ted cruz. and maybe one other person that i'm thinking about. >> who's that? >> i won't tell you that. he's actually such a small person i hate to give him the plibs. i will probably do that the the appropriate time. >> give to it me. >> we'll give to it you another time. >> let me ask you about this one. david duke announced his senate candidacy, claiming your agenda for his own. newt gingrich said every republican how would repudiate this guy no matter what it

takes. >> i do. >> would you support a democratic over duke if necessary to defeat him? >> i don't know if it would be a democrat but the answer would be yes. last time, with another person in your position, i did it very quickly and they said he didn't do it fast enough. rebuked. is that okay? rebuked. done. >> done. tax returns. a lot of conspiracy theories are being out there about why -- what's in your tax return? you would get rid of all these conspiracy theories tomorrow. probably make people -- >> let me give you a lesson on tax returns. first you don't learn much from a tax return. i put into the federal elections group hundred and some odd pages of my financials. shows i'm much wealthier than people understood. tremendous wealth, assets, cash that stuff. i'm going through a routine audit. just a routine audit.

i've had it 13 years, 14 years. every year they audit me. routine. i would never give my tax returns until the audit is finish. ed. mitt romney was under tremendous pressure to give his tax return and held it and held it and held it and he fought. he didn't do too well. but he didn't do anything wrong on his taxes. when he gave his tax returns. not now. he gave them in september before the election. wait a minute. when he did. and his tax returns are a tiny peanut compared to mine. they went through and found one little sentence. another. and made him look bad. and i think he lost his election because of that. mitt romney did nothing wrong. but they would take out of his word, too big. have you ever seen mine -- >> i've seen that yes. >> they took a couple of things, nothing wrong. just standard and made him look very bad.

much said. when the audit is finished i'll they'll be out. >> -- >> he's been a friend of mine for a long time and i can tell you some of the women have been complaining i know how much he's helped them. and when they write books fairley recently released and say wonderful things about him. and now all of a sudden they are saying these housrrible things, it's very sad. i've always found him to be a very good person and by the way a very talented person. look what he's done. be so i feel badly. but a lot of people think he's going to run my campaign. my campaign is doing pretty well. >> mr. trump. until we meet again. >> thank you. >> up next the man who had hoped to be the candidate being nominated by democrats here in philadelphia this week, senator sanders of vermont. we'll get his first comments

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beautiful city. welcome back. not the kind of thing you want happening days before your convention. this weekend wikileaks released nearly 20,000 e-mails sent and received by members of the democratic national committee, some of which seemed to confirm what a lot of people had suspected. that the dnc was playing favorites with hillary clinton over bernie sanders. appears wikileaks either stole these e-mails or got them from a source. among the e-mails was one from the chief financial officer brad marshall looking ahead to the contests in kentucky and west virginia in early may. while not mentioning sanders specifically by name. he wrote this. does he believe in a god? i think i read he's an itatheis. this could make several points difference with my peeps. my southern baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a jew and an atheist.

most believe he was in clinton's corner the whole kpab campaign. senator sanders joins me now. and i should note you talked about your belief in god last fall with in an interview with your hometown paper there. but let me start. this brad marshall apologized on facebook. has anyone apologized to you personally? and what is your response to this entire discussion? >> well no. nobody has apologized to me. and as you have just mentioned this really does not come as a shock to me our my supporters. there is no question but the dnc was on secretary clinton's side from day one. we all know that. and i think as i have said a long time ago that the time is now debby wasserman shultz to step aside. not just for these issues. we need a democratic party that is going bring young people and working people into its and going to stand up for working

families. i don't think deb has been that type of leader. i certainly hope she would step aside we would have new leadership. >> do you think it has to happen now, today before the start of the convention? would that help calm your supporters down? >> i think it's clear she's not going to be speaking to the convention. that is the right thing. i think right now what we've got to focus on as democrats is the feeding of perhaps the worst republican candidate that i've seen in my lifetime. donald trump wou be a disaster for this country. he must be defeated we've got to elect secretary clinton who won every single issue fighting for the middle class, on cliech, is a far far superior candidate to trump. that's where the focus has got to be. >> a do you believe the dnc's apparent favoritism cost you this race? >> i you -- there are a lot of reasons why one loses. we started off 50 points behind secretary clinton. we had the opposition virtually

the entire democratic leadership in every state in this country. and by the way in terms of media we did not get the kind of media attention that somebody like a donald trump got because media is not necessarily interested in the issues facing the middle class. more interested in attacks and personality. so i think there are a lot of reasons. but i will tell you this from the bottom of my heart, i am extraordinarily proud of the campaign we ran, the issues that we raised. the fact that we got 1 million -- 13 million americans to vote for a political revolution. people who know the economy is rigged in favor of big money. people who know that our middle class continues to decline and we have to go outside of establishment politics and economics, people who know that we need to reform a broken criminal justice system and we need comprehensive immigration reform. the people, what we did in our campaign, is bring people together to say, you know, what? this country, our government,

belongs to all of us and not just a few. so i am very proud of the campaign we ran and the supporters that came on board. >> so just to sum up here. these leak, these e-mails, it hasn't given you any pause about your support for hillary clinton. >> no, no, no. we are going to do everything that we can to protect working families in this country. what -- you know and again chuck. i know media is not necessarily focused on these things but what a campaign is about is not hillary clinton, it is not donald trump. it is the people of this country. people who are working longer hours for lower wages. people who do not have healthcare or underinsured. hillary clinton and i work together on a higher education proposal which will guarantee free tuition at public colleges and universities for every family in this country making $125,000 a year or less. we're going to fight for paid family and medical leave. those are the issues that the american people want to hear

discussed. and i'm going to go around the country discussing them. and making sure that hillary clinton is elected president. >> the green party presumptive nominee put out a release yesterday about the e-mails and said this, democratic party elites have been caught red handed sabotaging a grass roots campaign. instead they have shown exactly why america needs a new major party. a truly democratic party for the people. are you going to urge your supporters not to support jill stein? and try to thwart her efforts to recruit your supporters? >> let me just say this. as the longer serving independent in the history of the united states congress, as somebody who came into office by defeating an incumbent democratic mayor in burlington, vermont. i know something about third party politics and i respect jill. but right now the focus to my mind is to make sure that donald

trump does not become president of the united states. i think by temperament he is unqualified to be president. i think his views. you have a guy who is running for president who rejects science. doesn't even believe climate change is real let alone wants to do something about it. wants to give hundreds of billions of thousands of dollars in tax breaks to the top. i want to see donald trump defeated and hillary clinton elected. >> you make a big deal out of the fact you and he agree on one big issue and that is trade deals, that they have been bad for the country. and he basically says clinton and kaine as a ticket that their opposition to tpp is sort of johnny come lately. that it can't be trusted and that sanders supporters should support trump if they care about trade. what do you say to that? >> well i think in terms of who can be trusted, i think the evidence is clear that there has been no candidate that i have

ever seen who lies more often than does donald trump. i mean, it is just not me is saying it. it is what any independent media analysis has shown. so in terms of trust you really can't trust a word i think that mr. trump has to say. in terms of the tpp, it is no secret. i think our trade policies for many, many years have been a disaster. they have benefitted corporate america at the expense of working people. secretary clinton has come out in opposition to the tpp. does not want to see it appear in the lame duck congress. that is my view as well. >> some of your supporters are disappointed in the pick of tim kaine, that he's not progressive enough. i know tim kaine called you after he was picked. do you consider tim kaine a progressive? and are you happy with this pick? >> the pick is secretary clintons. i've known tim kaine for a number of years. we served in the senate together

obviously. he's a very smart guy. he's a very nice guy. his political views are not my political views. he is more conservative than i am. would i have preferred to see someone like an elizabeth warren selected? yes. >> and then finally, do you feel as if that you -- when you got glass-steagall. i wanted to ask about this because it looks like the one thick that both parties agree on in their platforms is being in favor of reinstating glass/steegal. does that mean we'll see that happen in the next congress? >> well i'm going to do everythingky to make it happen. one of the things we were table do is create the most progressive democratic platform in the history of the party and a includes breaking up the wall street banks and reestablishing glass/steagall. i think the american people understand we cannot continue to have a handful of reckless

irresponsible banks often acting illegally. something has to be happening. they have to be broken up. >> the big speech is tomorrow night. we'll be waiting for you here in a very, very hot philadelphia. over a hundred degrees. senator sanders. thanks for coming on. good to see you, sir. >> thank you very much. >> when we come back, reaction to hillary clinton's choice of tim kaine as a running mate. who showed why he might have appeal? unique appeal, to a very important voting block. [speaking foreign language] >> and we'll be back in a moment from philadelphia with this great panel. now she writes mostly in emoji.

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we are back. so much to talk about already. our panelist here, rachel maddow. host of the rachel maddow show on nbc. michael steele. andrea mitchell. nbc news correspondent. host of andrea mitchell reports and mr. brotherly love chris matthews. >> how about that. >> and sisterly affection for. >> for the penn grad. and this morning, new pictures of tim kaine walking into church this morning in richmond, virginia. he now realizes and now his parish is realizing what it is like to have secret service follow around a member of the parish there. >> do we know who his secret service name is going to be yet?

>> the secret joke is if you are boring enough your secret service name is tim kaine. >> ooh. those are old ones. -- you guys are having so much. >> sorry, sorry. >> let me throw out it here. we heard what bernie sanders said about tim kaine. >> his politics are not my politics. an aggressive take from bernie. i'm not surprised. bernie is an aggressive politician. and i think when senator sanders speaks i think everybody is going to be on the edge of their sheet. i think he's not going to pull a ted cruz because he's already made an dorsiment. >> he said i'm for hillary and he was tough on trump. >> he doesn't rulish going after trump. he likes going after the democratic party to try to move the democratic party. that is his target. always has been. >> he's not feeling the bern for hillary. he didn't say he trusted hillary clinton. he said he didn't trust donald trump. the reality is there is still some tension there that bernie is reflecting among his

supporters. and it was evident there. >> he's got a mission that's bigger than one election. he always has. >> that that's true. >> and in fact he could quiet the march that is planned to go from the center of center city, rittenhouse square to independence hall. this is going disrupt the city. because this is a city in hundred degree heat that is planning for a convention and it is going to be a large outpo outpouring. >> and the hotter it is the crankier people will be. >> and tim kaine, he says doesn't share his polity politics but he would have preferred elizabeth warren. he made it clear he's a nice guy. >> he called tim kaine a progressive. >> he didn't get the pick. hillary clinton did. i watched a lot of politics over the years. you can tell when they are actually happy. not when they fake the laugh or anything else. she looked delighted during his speech yesterday and i haven't seen her that delighted in a long time. she had found her guy to be her

running mate. i think she loved it. and i understand why the progressives are upset. but wung thing we know is selection of a vice president is a poor predictor of the direction of that administration. kennedy picked conservative interefrom the south. we got the new deal out of that and the great society and the great frontier. if as poor predictor. if this is about spoils they got an argument. they want a piece of the action. there is a difference between spoils and direction. >> i want to throw out the one thing that trump is trying to hit kaine on two things. but the one thing is the gifts in virginia. i heard ed rendell asked to defend it and he struggled. he said well it is illegal in pennsylvania. okay. and legal in virginia. that wasn't exactly a resounding defense. >> virginia has a very strange, let's face it, strange gift law. the difference with bob mcdonnell who came -- who was convicted and then the supreme

court overturned it is there was no quid pro quo h. e declared it. that was the main thing. he declared everything. put it down. in fact computed higher numbers to staying in friends houses. he put everything down. he was meticulous about it. they don't think it was a big --. he has the civil rights background. i was in the room and when you saw on tv yesterday in miami, in that largely hispanic campus, that wonderful campus in miami, it was extraordinary. the enthusiasm for him and the affection and having watched her all of these years, absolutely right, chris. she's found her guy. >> -- a progressive story about his history. the party has moved to the left while he's sort of always been a solid liberal. >> i feel like both clinton and kaine are trying to catch up to the peters movement. >> true. >> he is heroic in virginia on gun law. >> they are moving it.

michael, the trump campaign says we love the kaine pick and here's why. because it reinforces that their -- the politicalic professionals, that here is tim kaine and all these done in life is been in office. and the whole point is trump is trump's mr. "i'm the total outsider." if they want to double down on that, fine, go ahead. >> -- i said what about pence? well it's the top -- >> anything nor that man behind the curtain. >> what do you say to that? >> well i think the broader point is an interesting one. because what's comparing himself, trump, himself to kaine and clinton. so it is me against them. pence is not a part of that equation necessarily. when he's talking about the maverick, the outsider he's assuming his ticket is total that. >> -- wasn't even part of his own roll out -- >> gonna be on the argument. this notion that tim kaine is

progressive is just not believable. and for a whole host of reasons. i think that is an opening for a lot of folks on trump's side. >> there are elements of his record that are not progressive but on balance i would argue that he is. >> two o doors for you. look at the structure of the west wing now. it is not some guy who goes back to maine. he or she is right with you. you want a good person two doors from you. somebody who has values and it is not just smart politics. i think when hillary clinton is going to love having is a guy who's a true blue good guy. and i think he is a progressive on a all the moral issues -- >> sneak in a break here. when we get back we'll get on the dnc e-mail situation and also reaction from interest comments from donald trump. you know that guy that was at the start of the show. we'll be right back ♪

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welcome back. panel is here. before i jump to trump. the dnc e-mail leaks. cleveland, we expected rowdiness. never-trumpste rs and all that stuff. but i'm wondering, i'm hear interesting the bernie bros, in one of the e-mails somebody was complaining about coverage. and i said okay let's talk on the phone or whatever. but we didn't do anything about it because i get complaints about coverage every hour, every day.

but i think bernie supporters may light this place, at least outside. they may be upset and they may do something about it. >> and thereby that big protest andrew was talking about today that start things off. and there will be a lot of hundreds of bernie delegates inside the room. he said we've got to elect hillary clinton. that's most important thing. it will be interesting to see where the fights end up in the end there is some dissent and chaos there. there might be. >> do you think debby kaserman shuttles needs to get out now? >> we knew from the beginning watching the debate schedule by the dnc that they were tilting the scales to hillary clinton. middle of the night debates. sunday morning. it all said we're for hillary. >> and what bernie said to you is she's not going to be giving a speech. when kid the party chair not give a speech at the convention?

and for that -- >> -- running a big part of the ground game for whole -- you know -- it would be suicide -- >> doesn't help her own fight for reelection. which still think he's going to be okay. >> bernie endorsed her opponent. >> her reelection is --. >> that's right. >> michael steele. what did you hear from donald trump? did it make you feel better or worse about his chances? >> well, i think donald trump did a couple of things he needed to do. one was. and you could see it in the room that night. people began to say okay, i can get there. the speech that he gave when you read it seemed a lot darker and harsher than he delivered it. >> i thought the opposite. -- >> for me it was the reverse. because the reaction. i'm sitting in the room and i'm getting the reaction from the crowd. and the reaction from the crowd was this guy is going to be a fighter. and i think that is a strong

message for him coming out of this convention. >> rachel you have never pulled the covers up is this. >> i know -- >> you're not afraid of it. >> a lot of personal information here. [ laughter ] whoa, it's sunday morning guys. >> -- what he need dod. >> -- the 15 foot tall letters of trump and then his head and he spends 76 minutes screaming red faced about terrorism and death and. >> sure. >> i don't think he knew how to read a script like that. his daughter knew how to do it. it is tough a read a script in conversational manner. you end up doing this sort of scream thing. >> i think he said he was the approximate person who would fix everything. and kaine was focusing on that. it is the we, not the i. they are comparing him to a dictator. and the language and the delivery. >> don't lose sight of the fact a lot of americans out there are saying it is the we who screwed understand to this point. it is approximate we who got us

here. so they are looking for the i, someone who is going to step forward as a leader to get us through the mess. this is the bifurcation of the voting police station rige inin it is going to be interesting to see which argument wins. >> hunger for a strong man? >> there really is. >> -- we've seen this around the world. that is not supposed to be us. >> -- outside the establishment to get the solution to really bad economic problems effecting the working people of the country. >> the question is --. >> all right -- >> -- we're not supposed to be that kind of country. >> i want to throw one more, he seemed at least in the interview with me. goes after ted connell. ted cruz. john kasich. >> and another player to be named later who re -- kwoun of the editors like jeff --. look, the fact is that he's not playing by anybody's ground rules except donald trumps. what he said about nato is

extraordinary. because he doubled down on that. and the whole system of collective security in europe. if you are in poland today you are not reassured. >> the trump campaign tried to walk it back all last week. and he's basically saying don't walk it back. >> to talk about europe as a threat for america. what's good for europe is bad for america and we have a interest in europe being weak and divided. they only got together to screw us? like hold on a second. the european union -- >> -- erie pennsylvania, it will play. because people think we're being shoved around and exploited -- >> there are -- >> and he said i'm going shove back. >> i'm going try to get another half hour but let's sneak in a break. back in a moment with halftime segment, no end game segment. and a look at hillary's popularity to other democratic nominees on the eve of their conventions.

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>> the panel never stops interacting here. it's end game time. i want to show you quickly some numbers because it will help us judge whether this is successful convention for hillary clinton. these are favorable ratings. personal favorable ratings from our wall street journal poll for every democrat back to 1992. and as you can see hillary clinton in the worst shape of any presumptive nominee going into their convention. i'll show what everybody else came through after their convention. successful convention for bill clinton. successful one for al gore. flat for kerry. successful for barack obama. we'll find out what she needs to do? >> what they are going to do is have gauzy films. same as in 1992. same producers. >> and j.f.k. >> and all these films.

biography. resume. they know her resume is not resonating with millennial. people know who she did. they don't know -- they know the list of what she was. they don't know what she actually did. what she accomplished. >> -- tv networks don't always take -- >> gonna have validaters. they are going to have people on the podium who are going to talk about things she has done for them. and it is going to be very much all about her and much less -- >> -- [inaudible]. >> i think there is going to be a magic moment in this convention. it is going to be thursday night. a lot of women and men too are going to see hillary clinton as the first party nominee. and they are going to be misty eyes all across the country. and any men that moment who make a wisecrack are going to be guaranteeing another vote for hillary clinton. i think it is going to be magical. and if hillary clinton just stand there is with a little emotion, this is an amazing historic moment.

>> michael, was the republican convention too anti-clinton and not enough pro trump? >> no the republican convention had go twha because of the trump issues. >> what about this one? >> this one. i was thinking as you were talk about barack obama and hillary clinton and being likable enough. this is going to be a convention which they are going to showcase her so you can like her. those numbers show don't like her. everything you said chris plus more. the problem is what happens afterwards and that is where hillary clinton is going to continue. >> here is an out question for alloff you. besides hillary clinton's speech what will be the other buzziest speak sner. >> a huge one on night one. bernie is a big deal. democratic party is going through a transition and the liberals have having their moment. >> every democratic conventionky remember going back to '64, the best speech was never given by the nominee. whether it is bobby kennedy or jesse jackson or mario cuomo.

the candidate has never delivered the best speech. i bet on bernie or president obama. >> i think it is barack obama on wednesday night. all right. that's all for this sunday morning. hosting a special edition of "meet the press" tonight at 5:00 eastern. and then throughout the week i'll be joined by my colleagues lester holt and savannah kbutry height rear at the wells fargo center for convention on the network beginning at 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. if you missed last week, you should be regretting it. watch this weekend. and of course we'll be back next sunday. because if it is sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪

www.vitac.com he's calls you "crooked hillary" what. do you call him? >> i don't call him anything. and i'm not going to engage in that kind of insult fest that he seems to thrive on. >> she's done a good job of letting the water go off her back on this. that is not the way i feel. when i see this, you know, crooked hillary or i see the lock her up, it is just ridiculous. it is ridiculous. it is beneath the character of the kind of dialogue we should have. >> hillary clinton is joined by her running mate tim kaine and their first joint interview tonight on 60