♪ >> madam chair, i move that the convention suspend the procedural rules the procedural rules. i move that all votes, all votes cast by delegates be reflected in the official record, and i move that hillary clinton be selected as the nominee of the democratic party for president of the united states! >> all in favor of the motion, say aye! opposed, no! the ayes have it! >> it is official. hillary clinton is the first woman to win the presidential nomination of a major u.s. political party. >> how exciting is that?

>> that's pretty darn good. >> that's history made. >> i think we can drink to that. good morning, everyone. >> really, think about what's happened the last two weeks. this week we nominate the first woman, right, in our history? >> you're not going to make a joke, are you? >> last week, willie geist, the first reality tv show started. >> i'm not sure they're equal in merit. >> we got here with that big dnc leak story. this is huge for this country. 240 years and we now have our first woman. >> she's jumping up because i brought my pet cat from connecticut here. you know, mike, what's so fascinating about the united states, there are so many --

there are so many ways that we are first in the world, so many ways. but when it comes to this issue, israel was ahead of us like 40 years ago with golda meir. 1970 -- we are last in the world when it comes to letting women run this country. it's always been a little bit of an embarrassment. we certainly broke an important, important threshold. >> there's absolutely no doubt about that, but it's interesting how the political sphere has taken so long to catch up with the cultural and economics sphere. women have made great advances culturally, deservedly so and e belatedly. it's not going to be on an even scale until women do, indeed, get the same pay scales as men do.

but the most important thing last night, i want to share this with you -- >> you just preached to the choir. i love you, mike. thank you for saying that. >> i met a girl last night. >> oh, gosh, now you're going to take equal pay for equal work and bring it down to that level? you stop it right now. we'll get to bill clinton's speech in just a moment. it is wednesday, july 27, and we are live at mcgillan's in philadelphia, all of us. we're all here. >> mcgillan's is the oldest pub in philadelphia. it is also the loudest! it's the third day of the democratic national convention. >> everyone here, along with willie, joe and me. we've got msnbc contributor, the legend, mike barnicle, co-host

john halpern and john heilman. >> and, of course, tv's own willie geist! >> so it's a big morning. vice president joe biden will join us here right in the ale house at 8:00 a.m. eastern time. >> it is going to be something. i want to ask about last night, the big event last night. mike halpern, obviously, bill clinton speaking. you followed the clintons since the first run for president. how did it go last night? >> the big thing was her speech for hillary clinton. it's so hard to see in any given moment in our cynical world something that's historic and everybody in the moment realizes it's bigger. as willie said, the clintons have been around for so long. i didn't think it was bill

clinton's best speech of all time in the hall. he never got a lot of momentum until the very end. but it was, i think, purposely intended to be a low-key explanation of what her life was like from someone who knows her best. he was biographer in chief last night telling her life story. i'm not sure it was the best use of his abilities, but i think it was his best of the night. >> i think he was the surrogate, not the headliner in some ways, and i agree with mark, i was not electrified by the speech, we've come to expect magic from bill clint clinton, but it made me think of that state of the union speech where we waited for it for a long time, it wasn't that good, but it scored off the charts. >> we have highlights from that, but first we want to talk about

the history that was made last night, hillary clinton being formally nominated for president of the united states, a woman being nominated for president of the united states for the first time in 97 years after suffrogates earned the right to vote. it comes in the wake of a tumultuous first night. democrats extended their unity push into a second day with emotions and tributes that were nearly as much a celebration of bernie sanders as they were about nominating clinton. >> our nation was born here in philadelphia 240 years ago. our founding fathers gave us a great start, but it was the founding mothers who said, do not forget the ladies or we will

ferment our own revolution. on behalf of all the women who have broken down barriers for others, and with an eye toward the barriers ahead, i proudly praise hillary clinton in nomination as the next president. >> eight years ago, the democratic party elected the first person of color to ever serve in the white house. tonight, on this night, we will shatter that glass ceiling again. >> arizona, you have 85 votes. >> i'm from arizona. i'm proud to be joined here by jerry emmett, age 102.

>> 51 votes for the next president of the united states of america! hillary rodham clinton! >> for hillary clinton, we give you hillary's lifelong friend, betsy everling. >> on this historic, wonderful day, in honor of dorothy and hugh's daughter and my sweet friend, i know you're watching, this one is for you, hill. 98 votes. yes. >> 14 votes for the inspiring, progressive bernie sanders! >> 19 votes for the leader of our revolution which shall

contin continue. >> we are elated to cast 36 votes for a truly great man, bernie sanders. >> 66 votes for a great senator, bernie sanders. >> madam secretary, oregon, feeling the bern, casts 38 votes for senator bernie sanders. >> democrats abroad, to cast our final vote, here is larry sanders! >> i want to bring before this convention the names of our parents, eli sanders, dorothy glassberg sanders. they did not have easy lives and they died young.

he makes them proud as a son. they loved him. they loved franklin roosevelt and would be especially proud that bernie is renewing that vision. with all this pride, i cast my vote for bernie sanders. >> okay. i'm having a hard time not crying. from that 103-year-old woman, that was incredible. incredible moment to watch happen for her. >> it's mindful of something that mark pointed out and john referred to. we in the media, we surrender to cynicism far too often. >> i know. >> and that was a wonderful moment throughout the evening. >> beautiful. >> and we also, i think, view it through a different prism than most people do because we've seen these speeches before.

many people, that was their first introduction to conventions last night given the hour, or however often they watch. >> the first introduction to this election cycle for a lot of people. they haven't been following the minutia every step of the way with us. they saw this. >> it's been an exciting two weeks. both weeks have been explosive at times, have been moving at times, but on the house -- on the floor of the convention and even on tv, there is no comparison between the excitement -- there's just not. you can say this as an objective observer. there is no comparison between the excitement on the floor of the democratic convention as there was the republican convention. there were always empty chairs there. they were sleepwalking. half of them didn't seem like they wanted to be there. there were, of course, yeah, some very excited people there.

but this was absolutely packed and rollicking all night. >> this was an establishment event and they nominated a state senator, and the republicans nominated an outsider. their convention reflected that. the insiders don't like the person they nominated. last night you saw people crying on the floor. you saw emotion based on a historic first. the clinton folks did a very good job of reminding people of the history of it, regardless of what you think of hillary clinton, whether you like her personally, whether you like her policies. the country did something last night it's never done, and they did a very good job of harnessing that emotion, and you're absolutely right, every seat was filled. >> the talking point yesterday when there was moments of discord on the floor, you would hear some democrats would say, well, you know, this is the democratic party. we've got conflict, this is a fractious party, eventually

we'll get it together. then by the end when bernie sanders called for acclimation to have hillary clinton nominated, you had all the passion of the clinton supporters, and what had been threatening the day before, the talking point came true. you suddenly had this moment where, by and large, the side by side passions kind of came together in one thing, and everyone had that cathartic moment and there was this huge jolt in the hall, which you didn't have in the republican convention. >> the republicans and the conservative writers were just so shocked and they were so outraged. how dare you could say that when the climax of that convention was an 82-year-old actor talking to a chair. >> incredible. >> there are some things that are obvious. that was obvious then. two days in, this is obvious now. if you just judge it by the first two nights, there is no comparison between these two

conventions, how they were put on, the power of the speakers and the connection with americans. >> think of where we are now as opposed to two days ago, or 36 hours ago, even, where there was all this discord. we were talking about debbie wasserman schultz and the bernie supporters were booing and calling out hillary clinton's name. the turning of the page, maybe with the sarah silverman moment, but definitely with bernie sanders' speech. let's applaud bernie sanders for doing a good job. >> there were people leaving the hall for bernie sanders. >> there were people marching out of the hall. that was a small story, not enough to really make a big difference, but let's compare how the first two nights ended at the republican convention. you had joni ernst speaking to an empty hall. in prime time.

they mismanaged it so badly that the halls were emptying out as the most viewers -- i read an article in "variety," tv executives were flabbergasted that when they had the most eyes to be watching, people were walking out. and the democratic convention, bill clinton doing it in prime time. they managed this as well this week as the republicans managed it poorly last week. >> i wonder if michelle obama's speech might go down as one of the best convention speeches, one of all time. it just -- i mean, it wasn't a hard call to make. i kind of knew the democratic convention would crush what happened last week in cleveland for a lot of reasons. they just do conventions better. >> start with the lineup. you have a divided republican party, you had a lot of people that didn't even want to show up at the convention last week.

>> yeah. >> the people that would have been the biggest stars, the biggest speakers, weren't even showing up. you had the last republican president of the united states not showing up, his father not showing up. >> it was, for a tv producer who puts on big shows, a very, very bad, small show. but willie, last night the show went on. >> we talked about bill clinton's speech. he became the first man in american history to speak about his wife's nomination. he did not mention donald trump's name once. he did not wade deep into policies as he's known to do. instead he spoke for 42 minutes and described year by year first his courtship with his wife, raising their daughter chelsea and delivering a scandal-free version skipping over several years of their life in public service. >> i have lived a long, full, blessed life. it really took off when i met and fell in love with that girl

in the spring of 1971. when i was president, i worked hard to give you more speech and shared prosperity, to give you an america where no one is invisible or counted out. for this time, hillary is uniquely qualified to seize the opportunities and reduce the risk we face. and she is still the best darn change maker i have ever known! how did this square with the things that you heard at the republican convention? one is real, the other is made up. and you just have to decide which is which, my fellow americans. the real one calls you when you're sick, when your kid's in

trouble, or when there is a death in the family. the real one repeatedly deals praise from prominent republicans. if you worry about something that's really bad and will mess up a two-car parade, a real change maker represents a real threat. so your only option is to create a cartoon. cartoons are two-dimensional. they're easy to absorb. life in the real world is complicated and real change is hard, and a lot of people even think it's boring. good for you, because earlier today, you nominated the real woman.

>> mike barnicle, good lesson for kids everywhere that deliver a horrible speech, that guy, 1988, delivered such a bad speech. >> that went on forever. >> democratic national convention. i remember he went on carson the next night and made fun of himself because it was so pathetic. he's done ten of them now, and i don't think there are a lot of other historical figures that have done that before. >> he was the first real political guest that johnny carson had on his show, and the reason carson final relented and had bill clinton on the show was because he played the tuba. >> the sax. the tuba? >> it's been a long night. he probably went on too long.

he gave you more insight into his wife, more personal an he can doe-- anecdotes about his w than you got all last week. >> everyone who came to the table shared something about hillary clinton that is truly connective, and that's the difference i'm seeing. not to rail on the republican convention, well, i met donald trump for five minutes in the hall. he actually wrote me a note. nobody knew him. or he called my wife for five minutes. >> you could see it in realtime. we've got better stories than that about donald trump. >> actually, we do. >> that show is better than that. and again, it goes to -- >> really bad producing. >> -- gathering a convention well, and last week's was just

as bad as this week's starting out. >> i'll tell you something about bill clinton's speech. if you watched that speech, you could see where they believe they're vulnerable around donald trump. over and over he went back to, she's the change maker, she really does it, he's just a fake. they understand right now that trump has the mantel of change. this speech was built more than anything, i think, to make a counter-argument against that, that he's on offense on the change question, and they need to get some of that back for hillary clinton. that's what bill clinton was trying to do last night. >> they hit that on the head. >> i just wonder if it's possible to reintroduce hillary clinton to america. we've known her for 25 years. people have basically made up their minds about her and donald trump, so to start to tell her story again, i'm just not sure how many people are influenced by that. a lot of people think that's a

repeated discussion of their relationship. >> i think the part they feel a contrast with donald trump is she doesn't just want to make people rich. >> you know when you watch a great musical, and you can sort of see where it's going, and you start to smile because you can see where it's going. you can see this feeding into barack obama. coming up on that stage and delivering a message to that hall and the rest of america, where he does four years later what bill clinton did for him four years ago. you know how people said, why can't anybody make the case? bill clinton came out and made that case for the obamas better than the obamas could make for

themselves. barack obama, i predict, returns the favor tonight and makes that case that you all are talking about in a way better than the clintons can make for themselves. you look at that lineup. it's absolutely extraordinary. i think we're going to look back, i really do. i think joe biden and barack obama, i think this is going to be a night to remember if you love politics, if you love this sort of thing. >> at "morning joe," it's a morning to remember. >> it is. >> it's quite a morning. the vice president of the united states, joe biden, joins us here on set for an exclusive interview on "morning joe." plus, congressman elijah cummings who led the committee on black reform will join us. and later david bluff sizes up

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hillary clinton's campaign launched a game app on sunday where you can complete challenges and get real rewards including an autograph from hillary clinton. i actually have a clip from the game. it looks pretty fun. >> deleted! deleted! deleted! >> my goodness. the kids are all playing that. that and candy crush. willie, i just wanted to ask you. >> what? >> have you ever had a friend who is straight and narrow, and then he gets into a bit of trouble and you're shocked. you're like, i never saw that coming from that, right? >> yes. >> terry mcauliffe. who would have ever seen terry

mcauliffe causing problems for the clintons? >> couldn't help himself talking about tpp last night. >> roger clinton was not available, nor was billy carter, so terry mcauliffe thoroughly being investigated is the guy. is he still under investigation by the feds? >> 28 minutes after the hour. now stop. controversy began brewing at the convention shortly after members nominated hillary clinton. why did i -- when long-time ally and virginia governor terry mcauliffe suggested to politico that hillary clinton will change her positions on the trancepacific partnership. quote, i worry that if we don't do tpp, at some point china's going to break the rules, but hillary understands this. once the election's over, and we

sit down on a trade, people understand a couple things we want to fix on it but going forward we got to build a global economy. asked if clinton would turn around and support the trade deal she came out against in the primary fight against bernie sanders, mcauliffe said, yes, listen, she was supportive but there are certain things she wants fixed. john podesta responded quickly. love governor mcauliffe but he got this one wrong. hillary opposes tpp before and after the election. period. full stop. there is nothing that says clinton supports tpp and she has never said anything to that effect. >> this is actually the worst, john heilman, this is the worst fear of the bernie supporters. she called tpp the gold standard. she helped craft it when she was

secretary of state. she helped promote it when she was secretary of state. she started running for president. she would not say she opposed it until she was forced to say she opposed it. now she's got one of her closest surrogates in the world saying, don't worry about it. she's just saying this because she's running for president. after she's elected, she'll support tpp. >> i think if you read what terry mcauliffe is saying carefully there, he's trying to say that some tpp-like thing, once fixed -- there will be some kind of asian trade deal, and the question will be whether the thing that is now tpp. i think in some weird way, if you par it, podesto and mcauliffe are saying the same thing. she's a free trader. she'll want to sign something like this and i think democrats are in the same position. they don't like the tpp as it's written. they'll have some tpp-like thing.

>> she's going to support the trade deal. they may change the name of it, they may change the wrapping, they may put a bow on it, but more confident at the end of the day, bernie sanders and his supporters, they have it right. she is a free trader, she has always been a free trader, she will always be a free trader. >> the phrase by terry mcauliffe, she's down with tpp. look, she's taken this position, and in the real world, there is probably not going to be a lame duck vote before she would take office if she won, so when january comes, she's going to have to face the world if she wins and say, i said all campaigns i was against, not just tpp, but this kind of trade deal. if she's president it's going to be fascinating to see if she wants to start her presidency -- because these deals are right now. the world is waiting for the world to get in or not. >> if you want somebody that supports free and unfettered trade, vote for the democrat. because the republican does not

support free trade. if you want somebody to be more of a neo con that will flex american power and not lead from behind, then you want to vote for the democrat, not the republican, because the republican will be far more reluctant to use military force. that's where we are, and perhaps that's why we're tied in pennsylvania and ohio, not just, as a lot of people were saying yesterday, because there are a lot of racist s in ohio and pennsylvania. there are real policy differences and the deck has been completely shuffled. >> donald trump is the protectionist and the isolationist. this moment with terry mcauliffe allowed donald trump to tweet the following last night. just as i have warned from the beginning, crooked hillary clinton will betray you on the tpp, so it fits his narrative as well. >> that's what they're trying to push back about trust because they still have work to do there. coming up, the kremlin pushes negotiations that russia

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welcome back to "morning joe." joining us now -- >> unbelievable, willie, unbelievable. >> what are you all doing up so early drinking beer? joining us live now in philadelphia, host of msnbc's politics, nation and president of the national action network, h reverend al sharpton. also, national correspondent for the "washington post," ed gue n

guerin. the normal party. even amid the heck ling from bernie sanders' diehards, what's striking about the democratic party's problems is how normal they seem compared with what's happened to the republicans. yes, the sanders insurgency may betoken future divisions that ultimately split the democratic coalition. but for today, in this election cycle, it has reached a very typical sort of end game if there is a peril for democrats here, then it probably lies not in any possible disruptions but in this week's very normalcy, the expectedness of what's unfolding in prime time these four nights. what this convention is showcasing is a democratic party that's fully prepared to beat donald trump under the normal rules of politics. but it is not necessarily ready to adapt if events go wildly off that script. what's that mean? >> this is what we were talking about off camera, the democrats

can do everything right and still lose against a candidate doing everything wrong. you heard bill clinton's speech last night, change is in the air. >> there islso the connectio that donald trump has broken every rule and has survived and actually profited in many ways by the very things that we called mistakes. the democrats are well aware of that, but there is only so much change that you can graft on to hillary clinton. i think you saw a combination of things last night in bill clinton's speech and in many of the other lauditory tributes to her where there are no attempts to hide the fact she's been on the political stage for a long time. in fact, the opposite. it's an attempt to show things that voters don't necessarily know about her. >> mike, what about examples of

what i just said, candidates who do everything wrong and still win? >> the governor of california, those guys would not have won in conventions. >> and berlusconi. >> and berlusconi. part of what they'll do tonight is say it's okay to like a professional wrestler or a national star as a governor. but the presidency has a national component. you can't just take a flyer for someone in office. donald trump is not shying away from that. he is talking about national security in a different way that has some appeal, and the democrats, as you said, know they could lose this even if they do everything right. they're thinking in their heads, though, it's just not going to happen. >> reverend sharpton, so much of hillary clinton's future politically depends over the next six months on turnout, from blacks, from hispanics, getting obama's coalition to be

energized. i see cornell west, i see other people skeptical of hillary clinton's commitment to issues that matter to black americans. >> president obama got over 98% of the black vote. >> but at the same time you've been worried, other leaders have been worried that she won't be committed enough. >> i think that is why it was important last night she had the mothers on. because that was not normal. you know, i've been in this a while. that was not normal to put the face of what we are dealing with as a national issue, but the human side. not an al sharpton, but the mothers. they were absolutely incredible. i think for her to have broadened the base and to start raising -- i think ann made a great point, that donald trump has been a part of what everyone wanted to change, bringing up, did he get money out of 9/11?

bringing up the five i new york that ended up getting vindicated. so i think the more they act toward raising the issues that he really is not a change agent, he's been part of exactly what we wanted to change. he's been out there as long as she has. so who has been on which side? and i think the more you do that, the more you take away a lot of this. donald trump is not a new figure. he's new in politics. >> governor mcauliffe made a comment about hillary doesn't agree with tpp, she just needs to get elected and then she'll be for tpp. are you confident she'll fight for things in the primary she said she would fight for? >> i think a lot of us dealt with nafta when her husband was in the crime bill. a lot of people like me had to be convinced to seeing you move

toward where the country is. but when you look at the choice, i would rather gamble with someone that i know has done some things that we agree with than somebody who has spent their whole life spending money and effort against what we believe. so i think that's the choices we have. but i think we have to hold her accountable. >> it's a different landscape. it's hard to know where to fight. >> i think in some ways it isn't. the traditional battleground states will be the battleground states again. there is the bus tour that leaves here and goes to western pennsylvania and through ohio. the democrats know where they're going to need to do work, and that's, in many cases, with working class whites and that's what this tour will be about and about jobs. >> pennsylvania, though, isn't it something -- you talk to democrats, ask they will tell you they're going to have to fight hard to win pennsylvania. >> pennsylvania is definitely, you know, on the block.

>> absolutely. >> on the other hand, if hillary clinton could win pennsylvania or ohio or florida, it would be very hard for donald trump to get 270 electoral votes. yeah, they're playing some defense here, but they're also trying to checkmate him. >> she'll need turnout for that. but i'm in philadelphia because i'm keynoting the rally for where is the truck. >> where's the truck? where's the truck? where's the truck? where's the truck? >> reverend al and i have fought through many struggles over the past 40 years or so. we have shared the same tailor, worn the same type of jumpsuits and had the same sort of hairstyles. but we always come together at the end, and this is the civil rights issue of our time.

>> we shall ride the truck! we should ride the truck! >> this is taking a sick twist. enough. ann guerin, thank you. i'm sorry you had to see that. reverend sharpton, thank you. thank you all. >> that's a little too far, joe. coming up on "morning joe." >> it will help the less fortunate. our platform has passed my father's test. and it has done so not by seeking common ground but aspiring to higher ground. >> we're going to talk to congressman elijah cummings whose moving tribute to his father was partially ground out by opponents of the tpp on the first day of the convention. we're back in just a moment. owen! hey kevin. hey, fancy seeing you here. uh, i live right over there actually. you've been to my place.

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hello, philadelphia. i am so happy. it's been a great day and night. what an incredible honor that you have given me. and i can't believe we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling yet. thanks to you and to everyone who has fought so hard to make this possible. this is really your victory,

this is really your night. and if there are any little girls out there who stayed up late to watch, let me just say, i may become the first woman president, but one of you is next. thank you all! i can't wait to join you in philadelphia! thank you! >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is the third day of the democratic national convention. we're at mcgillin's old ale house. we have lots of friends and bloomberg co-hosts. i got attacked. also nbc political news and commentator, meet chuck todd.

he came across with something that attacked me. >> when they first showed that shot of hillary above the stage -- >> it was amazing. >> -- actually she looked like the leader from korea. >> no! >> when they pulled back and there were all the others, they probably should have pulled back a little sooner. >> i'm with you, i thought, okay, okay. she looked like she was wondering, when are you cueing me. >> it was a very nice reveal. >> that's very hard to do, just so you all know. >> chuck, what did you think of the festivities last night? >> i thought it was -- the whole floor itself, i think the roll call and everything about it, the tone of that convention changed last night. so it wasn't as -- it was not filled with the same sort of uneasy tension that was there

monday night. and there was something about the roll call that seemed to unite the floor. i mean, it was like letting the sanders folks get their vote, which the sanders people kept saying, don't take that away from them. >> i think it was smart they got their votes. >> after it was done, a hundred or so delegates walked out, maybe it was cathartic for some. >> how about that moment with bernie sanders' brother? chills. chills. >> did you meet larry? did you guys er meet him? when i met larry sanders, i had to make the larry sanders reference, and what's great is he had a great sense of humor about it, and he said he went door to door once, he was running for office, and some woman said, you're that larry sanders, you're so horrible, i hate that show. and he said, i'm not that comedian. >> the democratic party made history last night formally nominating a woman for president

of the united states. it comes in the wake of a tumultuous first night that included heckling of a contingent of bernie sanders supporters. they pushed into the convention for a second day with emotional speeches and tributes that were near as much a celebration of bernie sanders as they were about nominating hillary clinton. >> our nation was born here in philadelphia 240 years ago. our founding fathers gave us a great start, but it was the founding mothers who said, do not forget the ladies or we will ferment our own revolution. on behalf of all the women who have broken down barriers for others, and with the number of barriers ahead, i prominently praise hillary clinton in nomination to be the next president. >> arizona, you have 85 votes.

>> i'm from arizona! i'm proud to be joined here by geraldine emmett, 103 years old. >> i'm proud to nominate hillary clinton as the next president of the united states. >> to cast our final vote, here is larry sanders. >> i want to read before this convention the names of our parents, eli sanders, dorothy glassberg sanders. they did not have easy lives and they died young. he makes me proud of his accomplishments. they loved him.

they loved the new deal of franklin roosevelt and would be especially proud that bernie is renewing that vision. with lots of pride, i cast my vote for bernie sanders. >> wow. what a beautiful moment. as the roll call concluded, senator sanders joined the vermont delegation on the convention floor, and bernie agreed to make the vote unanimous. >> madam chair, i move the convention suspend the procedural rules. i move that all votes, all votes cast by delegates be reflected in the official record, and i move that hillary clinton be selected as the nominee of the

democratic party for president of the united states! >> wow. a long time coming, but mark halpern, what a moment. >> beautiful. >> he's reminiscent of eight years ago when hillary clinton played a role in getting barack obama nominated by acclimation. bernie sanders did an incredible thing. you saw there he looked a little emotional, which is an unusual thing for him in public. but you see a guy who came out of nowhere along with donald trump, an unorthodox candidate, and last night i think the public was sincere and heartfelt in paying tribute, saying, this is a big part of the democratic party. he can be proud of what he achieved. many things that hillary clinton is talking about in terms of college ability, minimum wage are things bernie sanders fought for his whole life, and now it's more central in the democratic party than it's been in our lifetime. >> so much of politics has to do with the luck of the draw. you talk about he and trump both being agents of change.

you know what the difference is between bernie sanders and donald trump politically? bernie sanders was one on one, for the most part, against the presumptive nominee. donald trump had 17 people to divide the vote. bernie sanders' percentages higher in many cases than donald trump's, but he's at the convention turning his delegates over while donald trump continues getting 45% of the republican vote on to the general election. >> it's almost as inconceivable as it is how successful sanders was given where he started. if you put him up against hillary clinton with her historic claim on the nomination, with all the strength she brought, if you put him up against six or seven other democrats, bernie sanders would be the nominee this year. >> without a doubt. >> and had your next guest run,

bernie sanders would be in the race of someone of joe biden's stature. >> you would be seeing right now donald trump versus bernie sanders. >> most people believe, most people believe, who follow politics, willie, that if his story had come out earlier, you would have had barack obama against hillary clinton and hillary clinton would have won back in 2008, because john edwards was taking from hillary clinton. >> yeah, there's no question about it, and you have to stop for a moment. this was hillary's night, obviously, but it's been so important to this convention the way bernie sanders has carried himself, conducted himself, controlled his supporters and spoke to his supporters. it felt like chaos monday morning into monday afternoon, and bernie sanders made that speech where he effectively made the case that it's okay, guys, to vote for hillary clinton. the way he showed himself, put her over the top with those last votes last night, and i thought the moment with his brother was incredibly special. it's part of the story that we

don't hear that much about bernie sanders, that his father was a polish immigrant, a paint salesman, a deal guy, and that so showed that bernie sanders could make government and change lives. >> part of the reason he didn't talk about policy last night is this is so much more of a liberal party than it has been. >> chuck todd, that's something -- we often see this happening. the media will talk about, oh, the republicans have gone so far right in the senate. well, the democrats have gone so far left in the senate if you compare where they were 10 years ago. we talk about the volatility in the republican party right now. this democratic party, unrecognizable to what it was 10, 15 years ago. the progressives have won. they have taken this party over. >> i don't know if there is room for a pro-business democrat,

whatever that definition is. the biggest story yesterday may not have taken place -- the roll call vote, the political speech may have been terry mcauliffe essentially saying when a lot of reporters believe, what a lot of us who cover her believe, yeah, she's going to renegotiate trpp. you got to have it. what's interesting is mcauliffe's mindset, there is no way you can't do this. this is too important to czech republic and china, et cetera. you talk to national contributors, they will say that, but i have to tell you, she had to denounce it and i don't think she's denounced it enough. trump will be all over this, he has been all over this, and just hounding this idea -- >> did anyone get the idea that hillary clinton won't support free trade, doesn't knowow this works. you can go back to the 1992

race, you had bill clinton talking about beijing. he gets elected and goes into the white house while george w. bush is a lame duck. they talk for an hour or so, they come out and he completely changed his view on china. >> the senate -- whatever the makeup of the senate is, i don't think it matters which party controls, i don't think either party is going to let tpp through. >> hillary clinton will be pro-trade. >> i think that's most certainly true. it was true in barack obama's case, too, they all get in office and find that being pro-trade is where they want to be. but chuck's point, the question of whether there is room for a pro business democrat. there is room for a pro business democrat. hillary clinton is a pro business democrat and she's going to have ceos, republican ceos, getting behind her. but that may be a dangerous position to be in. this year when donald trump seizes the moment of populist candidacy, if hillary clinton

doesn't capture some of that from the populist left, she's going to be in trouble. that is where the energy across both parties, if you can't get tapped into some of that populist outsider energy, if you're cast as the insider candidate, you're going to lose. >> pennsylvania and ohio, the fact those two states are dead, even, the fact that democrats are talking about how pennsylvania is in play, the last time the republicans had a chance in pennsylvania, 1998 when they won it. it hasn't been close since. >> it was close in 2000. last night bill clinton made his tenth convention speech. he spoke for 40 minutes, and that's very restrained and disciplined. he didn't mention donald trump by name once. instead he built his wife as relentless in her fight against the status quo. >> if you believe the measure of change is how many people's lives are better, you know it's

hard, and some people think it's boring. speeches like this are fun. actually doing the work is hard. so people say, well, we need to change. she's been around a long time, she sure has, and she's sure been worth every single year she's put into making people's lives better. i have lived a long, full, blessed life. it really took off when i met and fell in love with that girl in the spring of 1971. when i was president, i worked hard to give you more peace and shared prosperity, to give you an america where nobody is invisible or counted out. for this time, hillary is uniquely qualified to seize the opportunities and reduce the risk we face. and she is still the best darn change maker i have ever known!

>> all right. showing his daughter in the audience there. >> did you know he was this man that without hillary clinton would have been just sort of aimlessly looking up in the sky going, what am i going to do next? it was interesting how without hilla hillary, he doesn't become president. >> how do you think the president did last night? >> it was a goal. if he's there to tell a personal story, i thought it was effective to tell a personal story, particularly at this generation. his peer group are most resistant to her. his peer group. white, older baby boomers. they're among the more resistant to her and they're the ones he has to get to. i think if that's the audience, he did okay. >> right. so the fbi continues to investigate claims that russia is at the center of wikileaks release of thousands of

dnce-mail dnc e-mails. they have told them that the russians are involved. senator been sasse says, mr. putin's soviet-style aggression has escalated to levels that were unimaginable just a week ago. the united states must take serious offensive and defensive actions now. meanwhile, president obama took a stand this morning on the "today" show. >> i think the fbi is still investigating what happened. i know experts have attributed this to the russians. what the motives were in terms of the leaks, all that, i can't say drebtirectly. what i do know is that donald trump has repeatedly expressed admiration for vladimir putin. >> donald trump tweeted yesterday, in order to try and

deflect the horror and stupidity of the wikileaks disaster, the dems said maybe it's russia dealing with trump? crazy. and for the record, i have zero investments in russia. here's what he said to the cbs affiliate in miami. >> i have nothing to do with russia. i don't have any jobs in russia. i'm all over the world, but we're not involved in russia. but it was just -- i watched, actually, one of the people from the campaign of hillary clinton, who i call crooked hillary, and he talked about russia. he said, you know, it was trump, it was trump. it was almost like john lovett's "i'm a liar" if you remember that from "saturday night live." it's so ridiculous but they have to say something. >> you have the "new york times" actually reporting that the fbi has traced this back to russia. you also have josh marshall who has reported in the past about connections between trump and

russia. marshall saying that as far as financing goes, trump has trouble getting financing in the united states and has actually gotten financing from russia. >> you'll notice trump made the claim that he has no jobs in russia. he doesn't employ anyone in russia not speaking to what financial ties he might have in russia. there would be an easy way to clear this up, which would be to put out his tax returns as every other major party nominee has done for an entire lifetime. we would know the answer to the question whether he's telling the truth and whether he has any connections, financial or otherwise, to russia. >> again, you add paul manafort to this equation, too, and talk about paul manafort's connections and possible connections with russia. suddenly you have the republican nominee and the person running his campaign looking extraordinarily close t a nation that mitt romney correctly said, to jeers and ridicule four years ago, was

actually one of the greatest geopolitical threats to the united states. >> i think the threats that the campaigns are making are going far away from the evidence, and they're trying to detract from the fact that the dnc wrote these e-mails. i think if the public were making charges like this, the media would go crazy on them. >> it's a two-way street here. trump is also making a risk here poo-pooing the russian aspect, too. if you're trump, you should be saying, if there is any evidence of any outsider government trying to get involved in our election -- he's just like, i am absolutely -- >> this is the same guy who, on this show -- this is the same guy who, on this show -- >> this is an important allegation. >> this is the same guy, as i've been trying to say -- >> on this show? >> this is the same guy, on this

show -- >> you're getting taunted from the outside. >> let me talk to you. >> oh, wow. >> donald trump came on our show several months back, and actually, when i brought up the fact that vladimir putin assassinated journalists and reporters, his response was, well, we kill people here in the united states, too. he's a strong leader. there has been -- he's been an a apologist for vladimir putin for a long time. there's been a disturbing trend for a long time about it. he's disregarded what vladimir putin did in the ukraine. he's disregarded what his historical role has been since 1997, post war. he's said, you want to invade countries on the border, that's fine. if they haven't paid up, we don't have a responsibility. the case is growing against donald trump.

>> all of those are very strong points, and the point chuck made, every american, including donald trump, should be denouncing this. but that doesn't open the door, i think, to saying there is evidence that trump and manafort colluded with the russians. >> the reporters are supposed to go after those stories. there is smoke there, and the smoke over the prairie is growing, and i think reporters would not be doing their job if they didn't do what david was saying a couple days ago in the "new york times" and what frank has been doing in raising these questions. >> you can say the following thing which is what has been said, vladimir putin prefers donald trump to win this election than he does hillary clinton. he's made that clear, and donald trump has said these positive things about vladimir putin. so let's find out. what are the connections? >> it certainly plays into his hands. >> can you believe we're having a presidential election where

kremlin wants to get involved and both parties aren't united in their denouncing of it? >> the thing is, it's not just in america. he's already done this in france. he fronted the national front in france. he's actually helped, either directly or indirectly, countries across europe that wanted to break away from the eu, because obviously, what have the russians wanted to do since nato was formed in '47 and '48? they wanted to break apart europe. he's done it in europe. he never dreamed he'd be able to do it in the united states of america, and reporters need to figure out if that's exactly what he's trying to do here. >> to mark's point, though, they're two separate things. >> i had one person applauding. >> that was good. >> go give them a hug. >> i'm big in philly. they love me here. they love me in philly. >> one more for your last point. you're making progress. >> you can say, as the fbi has now suggested, that it was russia, that it was hacking, but

you cannot say yet that it was directed by the trump campaign, and that's been the implication. >> guess what? what did republicans imply after hillary clinton had her un press conference? that she was lying. it took nine months. the fbi figured out that she was lying. we haven't connected the dots yet, but let's just wait. i think this is a story that will be unfolding for the rest of this campaign. >> i think trump is going tro regret not just denouncing, too. i don't understand poo-pooing it. don't poo-poo russia wanting to be involved. you don't want any part of this. >> is he getting security briefings yet? >> not yet. it will be starting friday. >> let's go to frank fore's piece in slate. >> the dnc hack is watergate but worse. frank rights in part, leaks are

a tool of journalism and accountability. that's not what happened here. the better analogy for these hacks is watergate. to help win an election, the russians broke into the virtual headquarters of the democratic party. the dnc dump may not have revealed a conspiracy that could end a candidacy, but it succeeded in casting a pall of anxiety over this election. we know that the russians have a further stash of documents from the dnc and another set of document purloined from the clinton foundation. in other words, vladimir putin is now treating american democracy with the same respect he a cords his own. the best retaliation isn't a military one, or to respond in kind. it's to defeat his pet candidate and to force him to watch the inauguration of the woman he so abhors.

>> willie, then you have more documents, some of which say will put hillary clinton in jail. >> he was saying these are not the russians, we're not working with the russians, but he did say there is more coming down the pike. we don't know what's in those e-mails, we don't know what to expect from those. the point is this cloud will not pass today, tomorrow or maybe even the next couple weeks. >> chuck, can you stay with us? still ahead on "morning joe," vice president joe biden joins us on the set. a "morning joe" exclusive coming up at the top of the very next hour. you're watching "morning joe" live in philadelphia. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on

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she is 102 years young. that means she was born before women had the right to vote. she remembers being with her mom when her mom voted for the first time. you were overwhelmed by emotion when you cast arizona delegates for hillary clinton. why? >> well, i knew for a long time, living with my mother and knowing how interested she was in what was happening in america, and i just was so happy when arizona gave women the right to vote. i think i was eight years old. and we all went out and said, hooray! >> she told me if hillary clinton is elected, she'll die a happy woman, but she has her inaugural dress picked out. >> that was the incredible jerry emmett last night. coming up, democrats may be uniting around the candidate but

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do you personally find it frightening the prospect of him having the nuclear codes? >> set aside the nuclear codes. what i think is scary is a president who doesn't know their stuff and doesn't seem to have an interest in learning what they don't know. >> do you think of trump that way? >> i think if you listen to any press conference he's given or listen to any of those debates, basic knowledge about the world or what a nuclear triad is or where various countries are or the difference between sunni and shia in the muslim world, those are things he doesn't know and hasn't seemed to spend a lot of time trying to find out about. >> welcome back!

we are at mcgillin's pub, oldest pub in philadelphia, and here with a rowdy crowd as always. that was the president just moments ago. i have to take exception to what he said about donald trump's press conferences, because willie, donald trump was asked the morning after his nominating speech -- >> now, stop. >> -- about pulitzer prizes and he knew exactly what publication deserved a pulitzer prize. >> the national enquirer. >> the national enquirer. how can you say donald trump doesn't know his stuff? from baltimore, maryland, elijah cummings.

elijah, first of all, let's talk about politics in general. we've been talking about how americans right now are sick and tired of what's been happening in washington. and you were just telling me, when we worked together so closely, how much things have changed since we worked on the committee together. >> i think it's much more toxic now than it was in the past. when we worked together, we were able to accomplish a lot of things. and it was based on mutual respect. we've gotten away from that, and i think that's one of the reasons why the american people are so upset. >> so what's happened? >> i'm not sure. i think that, you know, the economic times, people are not able to see a future for their children, that their children are going to do better than what they did. >> i think that's it right there. >> they're very upset. they don't feel that government is solving their problems. >> right. >> and in many instances working against them. i think when you listen to

elizabeth warren, when she talks about the reading of the system, people feel that the system is rigged against them. >> why does that make members of congress work against each other? you would think it would have them working closer to each other. >> it doesn't work that way. one of the things that affects us tremendously is money. you know that, joe. you know there are people who are giving a lot of people, millionaires and billionaires giving money, and i've seen members of congress work against their constituents, and it's extremely people. by the way, we're better than that. >> we are better than that. let's talk about your leadership role and the leadership role that you have shown in trying to bring this party, this democratic party, together. i thought it was fascinating seeing you the other night being interviewed when a lot of bernie supporters were booing and they were angry. you got off the stage and you basically said, hey, bernie

called me up and thanked me for all the work that i did for putting all the things that i put in the platform. >> 90% -- probably 95% of the things that bernie asked for are in the platform, period. >> wow. >> and, joe, i admire bernie. i really do. and i admire hillary. as i understand it, the only person that they both would agree to head the drafting committee. so we sat down, we hammered it out. it was one of the greatest experiences of my life. we were a diverse 15-member committee and we listened to each other, and we got something done. people ask me, was i upset when people heckled? no, i wasn't. you know why? because a lot of those people that did the heckling, a few years ago they were not even a part of the political process. >> right. >> and now they're into it. >> that's generous. i was upset. >> well, congressman, why does

hillary clinton still have some difficulty, some degree of difficulty, retaining the support of people who were with her eight years ago? >> i'm not sure what that's all about. i think that there is something -- when i listen to donald trump, he is appealing to some folks who i think are very upset. and he's playing to their fears. in a way, bernie sanders is appealing to people who are frustrated but appealing to their hopes. and so -- i'm not sure -- you got to keep in mind one of the things i have seen as the ranking member of oversight, as the ranking member on benghazi is the difference betweenof pou hillary clinton over and over and over again.

there are few people in this country that know what i know that republicans have done to this woman. i think it's been very unfair. i think we've come to a point where -- again, benghazi, for example. eight investigations, went to a ninth investigation, spending taxpayers' dollars to bring her down. come on. we're better than this, we really are. we have to move past that because that's what makes the american people upset. >> congressman, given the way i know you feel about donald trump and hillary clinton, and you think he's an unacceptable candidate -- >> i didn't say that. i didn't say he was an unacceptable candidate. >> do you think the country would be okay if he was president? >> let me tell you something. i don't concentrate on what i'm fighting against, i concentrate on what i'm fighting for. i think that's the way we get confused. the media spends a phenomenal amount of time talking about donald trump. i'm worried about the person who can't get health care.

i'm worried about that kid that can't get to college. they knock on the door of college, they've done everything their parents told them to, and now they can't get a scholarship. i'm worried about the people who can't pay debts. and that's what people are so upset about. they are tired of seeing things like flint, michigan where people poison the water, where the government poisons the water and then act like it didn't happen. come on, give me a break. you're better than that. what i'm saying to you is that people want us not to just push the problems down the line, and joe asked the question why is it, is it different now? it is different. when joe and i were there, we tried to solve the problems. we had a congress who said, we'll wait till next week, we'll wait till next year. the american people did not wait until next year.

>> maybe the oppressions of partisanship are tougher. it wasn't like you and me talking about long-term care. you caught a lot of grief from democrats. i actually had to get rid of an entire staff who was trying to undermine the bill. you have to tune out the partisanship, and i just don't know that people can do it this time. i remember i did an education reform bill with harold ford. i walked out with people screaming at me. harold walked out his side with democrats yelling at him. you have to tune out the partisans, right? >> you have to tune them out. it would be malpractice for me not to say this. one of the things that upset me most is the effort to take people's votes away from them. that to me is unconstitutional, it is undemocratic, and it is wrong. i don't care if you're a tea partyer, a green partyer, an any

partyer. i'm tired of people being cut off. >> congressman elijah cummings, thank you. coming up, vice president joe biden joins us live here in philadelphia. he'll be speaking at the dnc tonight. plus, david plouffe. can he help hillary clinton win? we're live in philadelphia.

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member for uber, david plouffe. >> david. you're the guy that we need to talk to. >> because we're in a bar in philly? >> exactly. you said months ago while a lot of democrats were mocking donald trump, watch out. i've seen these numbers in pennsylvania and ohio where they are essentially deadlocked. hillary has been in tv ad nonstop, trump with no ads whatsoever. he seems to make a mistake every day. it's as unconventional as it can be. yes, i know it can change. i know mitt romney was close in a lot of states. i have a feeling democrats are comparing him with mitt romney. what do you think? >> it's a very strange election, so those of us who have been through this have to be careful not to make mistakes of the past. let's say a poll shows 46-44.

what matters is how the entire electorate is going to be a be allocated. when you look at the people who are likely to vote, it's hard to get trump to a win number. it doesn't mean it won't be close. barack obama won by only 600,000 votes. let's say donald trump won it by 500,000, which would be a disastrous outcome. trump is not going to win pennsylvania. there are not enough votes out there for him to win. i think that's why this race appears closer than it is, in my view. >> so trump has shown contempt to the type of targeting that you did, to revolutionize american politics. is it possible in a close race to win if you're not identifying those votes and getting them out? >> yeah. i mean, if there's powerful forces at work and the winds are

blowing strong enough, campaigns don't matter when there's huge forces out there and waves. i don't think we're dealing with that, because i think he's very limited. here's my strong suspicion. hillary clinton will get a higher percentage of the democratic vote than donald trump gets of the republican vote. you think about northern virginia, loudoun county, prince georges county. he's going to rally there and he has twice. >> have you seen anything that would worry the clinton campaign, anything potent on the economy or anything else? >> it's hard to nail down one piece of malpractice in the trump world. he hasn't gone out there and said, let me tell the american people exactly, here's how i'm going to create jobs and grow wages. given his background, as fraudulent as it may be, there are people who will listen to

him just like they listened to mitt romney. that's what's missing, the basic building blocks of a campaign. hopefully hillary clinton tomorrow night -- she has to do two things tomorrow night. i think have a crystal clear economic message and a clear comparison with trump, and we have to have democrats be as excited about her becoming president as stopping donald trump. we're not there yet, that's where we need to get. >> willie, go ahead. >> david, joe mention aid yeed or so ago you were one of us saying, hold on, watch out for donald trump. what was it at that time that made you see things people didn't? was it numbers, was it a gut feeling? >> you had donald trump and carson both getting 50% of the vote, so something powerful was happening. that was a relatively strong field of republicans and people were saying no. >> it was the desire for something completely different. >> if a stronger republican had been nominated, you know, we'd probably be facing a pretty significant deficit right now. this was a very winnable race

for the republican party. but i think trump -- >> don't we know it! don't we know it! >> is really incredible. there were some really, really good candidates, too. john heilman. >> you have contempt for some of the people who cause freakouts among democrats and other places -- >> you can just say nate silvers' name if you want. >> i'll let david mention nate silvers' name if he wishes, and you know he does wish. it's interesting, the campaign spending a lot of money for hillary clinton, and it doesn't seem to be doing anything. is there any danger sign in that, that they're spending as much as they are, and not seeming to get any kind of impact from they're ads spending? >> what is the campaign about if you're the clinton campaign? it's about three things. it's about, one, trying to turn out democratic voters, particularly members of the so-called obama coalition. two, there are some -- i would

say more suburban women who might have voted for romney and mccain and george bush who are available to her because i have problems with trump. then there are some blue collar men who may have voted for obama twice who are in danger of going to trump. so all the money they're spending, the messaging of the ads, are they that matters in campaign. advertising matters lein campaigns, because people are paying attention. in the obama-romney campaign, you know, public polls didn't move much. even some of our own polls didn't move. we began to see slow progress with who we needed to make it with. >> david plouffe, always good to see you. so still ahead this morning. since i've never been called a man of few words, let me say

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♪ welcome back to morning joe. we're live in philadelphia on the third day of the democratic national convention. joining us now, the vice president of the united states, joe biden.

>> it's amazing what happens once you're not running for president. >> there you go. >> first of all, let me say to everybody, i'm very humbled. >> he says thank you from the bottom of his heart. >> i've got to say, mr. vice president, we know you've never been in an irish pub before. we thank you for making an exception for us. >> welcome. >> great honor to have you here. let's talk about what's happening, first of all, in politics. i was talking to i elijah cummings a little bit earlier today. it seems from the time you were in the senate, even the time that you were sworn in, that things have gone off the rail, that democrats are having a harder time talking to

republicans and vice versa. what's happening? give us hope. give voters hope out there. >> if it's possible. >> fst of all, joe, i think what you state is accurate. you know, that old bad joke, some of my best friends, well, you know, some of your best friends were democrats. right now and for my last 40 years, i've always gotten on with republicans. we talked to each other. look, here's the best example i can give you. you remember there used to be a private senate dining room where a senator could bring a guest. then there was a little room with two big tables when senators when they wanted to eat with one another -- when i first got to the senate, ted kennedy says come and sit at the table from noon to 1:00 and just listen. all the senators got together and talked and swapped stories.

>> republicans and democrats alike. didn't even think twice about it. >> everybody was together. i went over -- and i decided i was going to go in and have lunch with a lot of my old buddies. i walk in and there's no tables anymore. there's lounge chairs in there. when your gang came in, the big thing you old held up, i have no pass port, making sure you let everybody know we don't travel. well, what happened was we used to travel together. and i was just down to australia. i would ordinarily -- when you get to know somebody and you know they've got a husband or wife that suffers from cancer or a kid with a drug problem, it humanizes. >> so true. >> in 1998 i think it really did

break when newt came in. >> you can blame him. >> there was a change in culture, which was newt told everybody, don't stay up here, vote for three days, rush home, work the district, work your offices in the district. and so suddenly the kids weren't going to school with each other. the spouses weren't spending time together. a lot of people weren't going out golfing, doing whatever they did. it's a lot harder to call somebody a nazi or if your kids are in the same class together. >> that is correct. most of those guys and women don't know one another. i could tell you a lot about the families of the men -- look, strom thurman asked me to do his eulogy. i did strom thurman's eulogy. and i ran in the senate against

everything he stood for. jessie helms' wife came out in this big baptist church. only two democrats. me and chris dodd. she walked out, two daughters and his son he adopted who was in braces. they walked out and said we voted for you, joe. we put your sign on our lawn. i got more, not less progressive. you get to know somebody. you listen to the other team. you listen to the other side. but there's not much listening going on. >> i'd like to ask you about the presidential race. >> oh there is one? >> a little something going on here. you're one of the few foreign policy minds that my father has deep respect for. >> that's a compliment. >> i'd like to ask you -- >> other than willie, myself and

you, but go ahead. >> i really want to know, is there anything that donald trump has said -- is there any context to his foreign policy comments that he has made throughout this election so far? >> look, i don't have anything personal against donald trump. >> no, i'm not asking. >> i want to put it in context. the truth is donald trump knows nothing about foreign policy, nor should he based upon his background. but the thing that bothers me is i don't see any attempt for him to go out and get people who really know on the republican side to be aware of -- this whole thing about nato. now, everybody's making a big thing and says he's a friend of putin's. i don't buy that. but he's playing directly into the hands of a guy who says his overarching goal with putin is to break up nato and fracture europe.

makes him stronger. here you've got someone coming along and says unless latvia pays the bills, i'm not sure we're going to honor article five of the treaty that is the most significant treaty of ma mankind, that is central to our security. i don't think he knows what article five is and nor should anybody here know what article five is. if you're going to be president of the united states of america, hey, you better know. some of the things he says, like, for example, i know he's trying to be tough but he's going to go out and carpet bomb. you want to make friends and influence people in the middle east, you're going to go carpet bomb innocent people and bad people at the same time? that's going to help us fight against isis?

the things he says make absolutely no sense. but i think he's into -- well, i shouldn't guess his motive. but it worries me. and i promise you, every place i go -- i've never traveled over 1.2 million miles. i've met every leader in the last years. every place i go, whether i'm reaching across the table to try to solve a problem with xi, the president of china, or i'm down in new zealand with the prime minister, they go, tell me, trump's -- that can't happen, can it? i'm not joking. anyway. >> part of the argument, mr. vice president, that the trump campaign makes is that we now have a world spinning out of

control. you heard it at their convention last week. and americans wake up and see it on their tvs, whether it's in munich or france or brussels or orlando. does he have a point that because of some of the policies of the last eight years syria could have gone better, libya could have gone better, iraq could have gone better, not providing these save havens for isis to grow and spread into europe? >> the answer is no, willie. let me explain. when the arab stripring, everyb was talking about what are we going to do, as if it was one coherent rising up against authoritarian regimes. i said, you know, when our kids are in some graduate program, the question is what did they do

about the arab spring. what made them think they could do anything about the arab spring? there is major movements that occur in history where the hits of power occur having nothing to do with who's the leader at the moment. what happened is you saw the breakdown of a whole range of states, particularly in the middle east, which is inevitable, going to happen. >> should we have gotten involved in syria earlier? >> the answer is, and do what involved in syria earlier? the question is whether we should have made a judgment in drawing a red line with assad or not and how that was going to work. think about it. every republican you had on talked about how we should do more in syria. how do they start off? no ground troops. name me one republican who said let's put ground troops in syria. name me one. number two, okay, no ground troops.

now what are you going to do? okay. you're going to go out and find the opposition. >> we actually do have ground troops right now over there fighting against isis. >> no. what we have is we have special operation forces. >> ground troops. boots on the ground. >> we have boots on the ground, but we have boots on the ground not leaving, but training the folks we've trained to be more effective and provide air cover for them as they move. but everybody know what we meant by ground troops. the lesson we learned from iraq is you put 160,000 troops in the middle of a country that you don't understand at all, you're in the middle of a civil war and you're going to somehow solve that. there's not a single republican who says we should put in another 20,000, 30,000 troops.

it's working. the movement against these guys is real. think about where we were two years ago. we were legitimately saying they've established a califate, unlike al qaeda, these guys are actually establishing an area they're going to control and they're going to move from raqqah all the way down through baghdad and mecca and medina. >> what do you say to critic who is say you go back six years to 2010 where there actually was stability in iraq, certainly much more than a few years before? what do you say to critics who say, when we all left, when all the american troops left, we created a void that allowed isis to grow and create that califate? >> i was either in the country -- i've been in 26 times, well over 20 times into iraq.

and during this period as vice president and the year my son was there, i was there a lot. i know the names of the grandchildren of the leaders, not a joke. >> you don't have to name them all right here. i get your point. >> here's the point. there wasn't one single, solitary leader including the kurds who were vote in their parliament to allow status of forces agreement. >> not one? >> not one. they all would tell me they would and i would say go vote. not one. they were worried what would happen is it would be used against them politically supporting the occupier. i plead to keep 10,000 troops there. >> i wonder if we're going to end up at a place you were in early 2003 when you said there's

not one iraq, there are three iraqs. let's just stop with the fiction and give the sunnis their country, give the shia their country. >> what i said was their contusion calco constitution calls for a federal system. the kurds should have their own police force like the california has the highway patrol. the sunnis should have theirs and so should the shia. the idea that you're ever going to have a sunni force in shia territory is bizarre, number one. number two, i said the central government should be weak, control the borders and allow local control of each of these areas. the way their constitution is written is you're able to go to the core and move to have se semi autonomy. it's a federal system.

now the last administration insisted there be a central government that controlled everything. it's not possible. it will not happen in your lifetime or mine. and the way to bring stability is to make it clear to each of the major regions of iraq that you can control your local schools like you can in the united states, you control your local police force. that's why there should be a militia just like there is the delaware national guard, the new jersey national guard, to give people confidence they're not going to be victimized again. >> sunnis aren't dependent completely on a baghdad controlled government. >> i'm on my game. >> ain't going to last long.

>> i also see a little kid from scranton, pennsylvania. who wore his little league uniform to bed the night before he played his first little league game. >> that's exactly right. >> cute. >> i see someone who is now in the middle of a campaign where one side is fuelled by fear, fear of the future, fear of the other. i see a guy who has over come trauma, tragedy, come back with great resill i can't answeience. what do you think about the message from republican let's make america great again, as if america needs to make great? >> the neighborhood i grew up in, the neighborhoods most of us grew up in, people are pretty

tough. people -- my dad used to say i don't expect the government to solve my problems. i expect them to understand my problems, just understand my problems. i really honest to god believe -- and i know you do too -- give ordinary americans just an even chance. they can do extraordinary things. that's not hyperbole. what's happened is there used to be a basic bargain here. the bargain used to be if i participated in the success of the venture i worked in, i got to participate in the profit. that whole bargain has been broken. the whole corporate culture has changed. i got asked by some of the leaders of the fortune 20 companies and including a guy you know, fink blackrock. they come to my house. they want to talk about how the

corporate culture has gone haywire. i have a cartoon in my office. it's a picture of a guy from the new yorker, big rotund guy in a black mask, a big bag of money on the table. he's being interrogated. how was i supposed to know he was a job creator? my dad was a job creator. he sold cars. the people i grew up with busted their ass. and they looked and they say, hey, wait a minute, where am i in this deal? what's happening here? >> where have those jobs gone? >> the jobs are still there. they're just not getting paid for those jobs. we've created more jobs than every other industrialized country combined since we came into office. but what's happening now? what's happening now is you go in -- look, the chamber of

commerce are not bad guys but your team declared war on labor about 12 years -- >> not my team. >> i keep thinking you're a republican. >> well, you know, i am a republican. i am a republican. i'll be glad to tell you and this is certainly a good time, i didn't declare war on anybody. >> i know you didn't. >> when you talk about the chamber of commerce, the chamber of commerce is split right now from a lot of republicans. >> it is now. but think of the last ten or 12 years. the idea was organized labor was per se bad. here's the thing -- i see willie's looking like where the hell is this guy going? big deal, like barack and i did something that violated the constitution. we said guess what, when companies take an hourly worker

and say you're now management so we don't have to pay over time, what the hell is going on, guys? come on. we said, no, no, no. you've got to show he or she is doing some management. oh my god, this is an attack on business. come on. democrats and republicans from the '50s and '60s and '70s and '80s and '90s, we agreed on basic, basic things about the way in which labor and business work together. labor's not been all right by any stretch of the imagination. but the things we argue about now, we argue about whether or not an hourly worker should be paid over time. come on. >> yeah. come on. >> crazy. >> before we go to break, you're touching on these issues which ironically the guy that mike was talking about and we all are asking about, donald trump, you're talking about a guy right

ow who's connecting with those pennsylvania, who's connecting with those people in youngstown, ohio, who's connecting with those white working class voters in a way that you have in your entire career and in a way that hillary clinton is not. why is that? >> that's where i'm going to be living, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan. >> why is that? >> i think it's two reasons. one, i think the democratic party overall hasn't spoken enough to those voters. they've done the right thing for the voters. haven't spoken to them. we don't walk in -- like for example, joe, you and i talked about this. if there's a cop in america who doesn't support me, i don't know where it is. i'm not being facetious. these are guys i grew up with.

but i also have overwhelming support from the african-american community. how can that be? there's nothing special about me. i talk to those cops. i keep in contact with them. >> have democrats stopped talking to white working class voters? >> i think we have. in part, the reason is we've been consumed with crisis after crisis after crisis. i go into my old neighborhood and they go, joe, over here, what about me? what are the things that affect middle class families? let me define by middle class, being able to own your own house, not have to rent out, being able to send your kid to a park, being able to take care of your parents after the one other dies, being able to send your kids to college, that's not asking too much. i said, look, look what we're

doing with college assistance and pell grants. we have the right policies but i don't think we have enough -- let me say it this way. i had a senate staff and it was pretty consistent. i mean, they knew me well and they knew my mo me. anybody who would begin to say are you going to speak to such and such, here's an outline. i said just every speech you write, just understand one thing, in the very beginning make sure they know that i know what they're concerned about, that i know what their problem is. whether i agree with them or not, let them know i know what's worrying them and why it's not illegitimate they're worried. in the old day limousine

liberals -- it's like i got the answer for you. i got the answer for you. i think there has been in both parties not enough -- this is going to sound strange -- enough respect shown -- >> oh, absolutely. >> -- to ordinary people busting their necks. >> we've got a lot more. >> more with the vice president after a quick break right here on morning joe live in philadelphia. at bp, we empower anyone to stop a job if something doesn't seem right, so everyone comes home safely. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.

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house vice presidency." mr. vice president, let me ask you a question. tonight you'll be making the lead speech on a wednesday night at the democratic national convention. you made a decision for personal reasons not to get into this race for president of the united states. is there a part of you that wishing you were making the speech tomorrow night? >> no. really because as a matter of fact jill and i were talking about it. it was real live just the right decision for my family. i plan on staying involved. i'm not going away. that's different than would i like to make some of those decisions. look, i got in trouble, joe, for saying, you know, anybody who runs for president, if they don't believe they're the most

qualified person in the country to do it, they shouldn't run. so there's thing that i wish i could manage these next four years. but i don't have many regrets and that's not one of them. >> is there any part of you that thinks you'd be doing better against trump than hillary clinton is doing? >> come on. that's a bad question. >> you ask a guy that question -- >> in a pub -- >> and he's going to go, yeah of course. >> look, i learned one thing. the way to become really popular is announce you're not running for president. >> amazing. >> it's amazing what it does for you. >> so the vice presidencies of

richa cheney and biden, cheney's vice president created his own intelligence unit, going after saddam hussein almost immediately after september 11th and he played a significant role in the bush presidency. tell me about the differences you've seen, perceives, written about between the vice presidencies of joe biden and dick cheney. >> during the cheney period people were talking about bush was a heartbeat away from the presidency. he said that if i become vice president, the most frightening words in the english language will no longer be the vice president's office is on the phone. i think that vice president

cheney's influence really dissipated. it decreased over time. vice president biden had to make up really for some of the push back against the office. i think he was able to establish a close relationship with the president and over the eight years has sustained that where he's really done remarkable things both in terms of his advising role and the assignments he's taken on. >> when you have had disagreements with the president, how long do those disagreements last, become personal? >> they haven't become personal because the thing i love about my guy is that we made a deal for real in the beginning. whatever we had on our chest, we would get it off our chest. and we holler at each other. we have private lunches together. we disagree. but the very long i've had -- i used to say this, i debated him and others 13 times in that race to get the nomination.

if you go back and look, he and i never disagreed on a major substantive issue. i knew i was in a comfort zone where he and i were on the same page on all the major issues. no, it's never lasted. you know, the president is no drama obama. he said, you know, we've become really good friends. i never expected that. i said, i didn't either. >> that's nice. >> all kidding aside, there's a genuine trust. i trust him. he has character. i've never once worried that he was going to play a game with me. and i know he trusts me. i don't know -- joel, you know more about it than i do in terms of the history. it seems to me the most significant thing that has to occur is you have to be

sympatico ideologically with the president and you have to understand there's a v in front of your name. you're the vice president. the deal i made with the president was if we've ever had a fundamental disagreement on principle, i develop prostate cancer. you know me. if i had a fundamental disagreement, i'd find some excuse who why i couldn't do the job. but we never, ever have. yet we argue like hell. we're not shouting at each other all the time. but we're very blunt with each other. >> about six months left here before you guys leave office, mr. vice president. so you're thinking about legacy. and one of the things has been the cancer moon shot. talk to people at home. there's no family in this country that's not been affected by cancer in one way or another, you very directly obviously. give people hope about cancer. is there something on the

horizon? >> there's a number of things on the horizon. when you have somebody you love in trouble, you try to learn all there is about the problem they have. what i learned through beau was that it wasn't until the last five years that immunologists started working with viralologists, working with chemical engineers. there was none of this collaboration taking place or very little of it. now they're all working together, number one. number two, you've got to break down these stove pipes. there's a tendency to horde information, to not share information. if you're an astro physicist and we give you a grant to study the stars, whatever you publish, you've got to make it universally available immediately. we do the same things with grants with cancer research. it goes behind a wall for a year, it's horded information.

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in nail-biters. i've got no fingernails, folks. every race i have is as close as can be. i've never lost one and we are not going to lose this one. >> that was senator tim kaine speaking at the iowa delegation in philadelphia moments ago. he will officially accept the nomination as hillary clinton's running ma ning mate tonight at democratic convention. joining us, andrea mitchell. >> you have an update on -- you have an update on the mcauliffe t story. >> i just came from interviewing him. i asked him about what he said about tpp and whether this is a signal to bernie sanders supporters that hillary clinton is going to back down if she

gets elected. take a look. governor, can you understand how when bernie sanders and his supporters don't trust hillary clinton to live up to her commitments, that when you, one of her closest friends -- when you say that she should go along with tpp once elected with changes or with a trade deal -- >> let's be very clear. she would only go forward if the changes she wants are impleme implemented and everyone is in agreement. we don't support it unless she says the changes that she wants are made. so unless the changes are made, she doesn't support it. president obama does want this, as you know. >> he went onto repeatedly say the president wants it, the governors want it. we all think this is a good deal. we want to bring it up in a lame duck. i kept asking him about what signal does this send to the bernie sanders people? he said, look, she'll change it.

but as long as the president wants it, we're going forward. >> sounds like full steam ahead. this plays into an article you vote this week for politico. she says one thing and then you said she spent 30, 40 years disassembling, backtracking. >> she usually gets in trouble when she when she's talking about her personal finances. she said women's rights are human rights and vice versa. >> right. you did make that differentiation, that it's usually the personal that gets her in trouble more than policy. why is that? >> she's just a very private person. her introduction to the public

was a rough one. she's got lots of reasons not to trust us in the press. she just thinking that she ought toot have to explain so much. we were at breakfast with senator sanders and he says she's committed to not having tpp come up with the lame duck. they're going to have to get their story straight. >> she made a lot of concessi s concessions. she was willing to compromise a lot on policy to calm down this convention. this is what's going to trip her up. >> who knows her better than terry mcauliffe? >> are you surprised at this stage in the game that this race is so close? obviously a year ago nobody saw donald trump coming. >> i guess i'm a little surprised in that sense, willie. i like so many other people don't think i would have predicted the rise of trump. for basically 15-20 years we've had a really divided country.

control of the congress has shifted back and forth more times than it has in the aftermath of world war ii. it's close because we're a closely divided country. >> does it say more about donald trump or hillary clinton? >> i think it says more about eight years of one party. george bush barely did it in 1988. whoever win this is time is going to have a real challenge building a support, workable base for the next fr years. >> andrea, you mentioned hillary clinton in beijing, women's rights. willie and i were with a very high ranking former official of the obama administration last night who had just returned from china who indicated that the chinese are very very hesitant about supporting hillary clinton in any form or fashion.

they're leaning towards donald trump because they were afraid of hillary clinton's position on human rights. >> very much so. and i remember her first trip as secretary of state was to china. i was with her then. they were already suspicious of her because of the beijing women's conference. when we were there in 1995 everyone did not want her to do this. so they wrote that speech on the plane and added in that paragraph, because they did not want to clear it with the nfc person on the plane. it was really edgy and brave frankly for her to do this. we got a lot of push back from the chinese. >> still today. >> vice president clearly doesn't want hillary clinton to be elected. >> no, he doesn't. thank you so much. we're back in just a minute with more morning joe live from philadelphia.

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>> he was actually right. >> actually he was not right. >> take a look. >> there you go. that was johnny carson in his early years, actually. >> it was actually arsenio hall. i learned it was the tuba on carson. what did you learn today? >> it was the first time i ever had tv. i was late to the game. any day that you can spend time with joe biden is a good day. >> is a great day. >> it really is. it was really something. by the way, mika -- >> no. >> you're safe. you can get down off that box. you're safe. >> no, i'm not. give me my purse. the beer is great here. the mice are nice. willie geist, what did you learn? >> i learned that the vice

president understands the american electorate and he's got some good lessons for the democratic party about why donald trump is getting the voters they need to be getting. >> what we learned once again today is really you people -- >> are crazy. >> are crazy! >> that does it for us. >> you're absolutely crazy and we love you. thanks so much for coming out. we will be back here tomorrow, continuing our coverage of an extraordinary lead. see you tomorrow. good morning. i'm stephanie rule live at the independence mall right here in philadelphia, pennsylvania. this morning, history is made. >> i can't believe we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling yet. >> hillary clinton's surprise appearance now officially the first woman ever nominated by a major party.

>> i move that hillary clinton be selected as the nominee of the democratic party. >> the democrats trying to unite. but there was this. >> this is what democracy looks like. >> a walkout staged by sanders' sport supporters. plus, philbill's back. >> in the spring of 1971, i met a girl. >> his speech, a 42-minute tribute to his wife and the story of their marriage. all that, plus two huge nbc news exclusives, president obama and vice president biden before their big speeches tonight. >> is it possible that donald trump wins the presidency? >> anything is possible. lots to cover, but there is

only one place to start this morning and that is with the historic nomination of hillary clinton. the first woman ever chosen to lead a major party ticket. a ground breaking development when you consider that less than 100 years ago women couldn't even vote. i want to dig into this deeper, the latest developments. kristin welker joins us from the wells fargo center. talk about that moment last night. >> reporter: well, it was electric in this arena. i have to tell you a lot of folks jumped to their feet, started cheering. we saw a lot of tears as well. that moment was aimed at marking that historic moment that you just laid out. but it was aimed at rallying women all across the country. take a look. >> if there are any little girls out there who stayed up late to watch, let me just say i may become the first woman president, but one of you is next.

>> now, right now secretary clinton has a pretty sizable lead among women voters, 52-37%. so she's trying to build on that, to try to bring in some 06 those suburban, independent women. another big moment was when former president bill clinton took to the stage and gave that personal account of his wife, trying to reintroduce her to voters and really trying to turn around some of her high unfavorable rates. right now 67% of voters say they can't trust her. this convention very much aimed at changing that. >> some of the bernie sanders supporters had a walkout. did bernie sanders unite democrats behind her? his team was meeting with clinton's team all day long. he showed up, he delivered. but will his sport upporters en?

>> reporter: the clinton team is feeling very good today about party unity. they feel as though senator sanders helped them take a major step forward in that regard. there was a whole group of protesters who walked out, who say they're still not ready to get behind secretary clinton. senator sanders led the vermont delegation's role -- roll call. making the case that it is time to get behind secretary clinton. this room felt much more unified than it did just 24 hours beforehand. is the party unified completely yes, ma'am n ? not necessarily but the clinton campaign feels they took a big step forward. bill clinton got personal during his dnc speech last night, the 42nd president.

he didn't just focus on hillary clinton the presidential nominee. he also painted a picture of a wife and a mother. >> in the spring of 1971, i met a girl. she exuded this sense of strength and self-possession that i found magnetic. as you'll see thursday night when chelsea speaks, hillary's done a pretty fine job of being a mother. hillary is uniquely qualified to seize the opportunities and reduce the risks we face. she is still the best darn change-maker i have ever known. you should elect her because she'll never quit when the going gets tough. she'll never quit on you. >> i want to bring in chris jansing. vanity fair called this the reintroduction of hillary clinton. does bill clinton and company need to reinvent her?

>> there's no doubt about when you talk to people in her camp. they know and she knows about these high negatives that kristin welker talked about. i don't think and they don't think within four months you can change someone. but they do believe there's a side of her that has not been put to the front as much as some of the critical stuff. he's also someone who knows her better than anybody else. he used some of the lines he's tested out in the field and that have worked for him. i actually think, though, there were other people on that stage throughout the course of the night who made testament to hillary clinton, like mothers of the movement whose children have been killed in gun violence or at the hands of police. other famous people who tried to show this other side of hillary clinton. the target, a lot of those

middle voters who aren't sure what they're going to do. when you saw that video cracking the glass ceiling after the line-up of all the male presidents in our history, some said yeah it was a little bit cheesy. but if you're a bernie sanders voter, maybe that just gives you something to think about. democratic vice president nominee tim kaine is speaking right now at the virginia delegation breakfast, continuing to push for party unity while highlighting the historic nomination of hillary clinton. take a look. joe biden will be making his case for hillary clinton tonight at the convention. earlier this morning on "morning joe" the vice president said he's worried about a donald trump presidency. >> donald trump knows nothing about foreign policy. nor should he based upon his

background. but the thing that bothers me, willie, is i don't see any attempt for him to go out and get people who really know on the republican side. >> no surprise, donald trump took to twitter already this morning responding to the vice president's appearance, specifically about him wanting to carpet bomb our enkneemieene tweeting our not very bright vice president just said i wanted to carpet bomb the enemy. sorry joe, that was ted cruz. looks like donald trump is watching msnbc. terry mcauliffe says clinton is going to flip-flop and come ouon the tpp deal. and president obama weighing in on donald trump, hitting him with some language very similar to the vice president's. >> what i think is scary is a president who doesn't know their

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most people had never even heard of the tpp trade deal until bernie sanders started characterizing it on the campaign trail. the deal, which is officially called the trans pacific partnership would link the u.s. to nearly a dozen countries including japan and australia. the white house says it would eliminate taxes and increase u.s. exports. hillary clinton's decision to join sanders in opposing the deal has been a key to winning over a lot of his supporters.

but on tuesday one of her oldest friends, virginia governor terry mcauliffe said she may flip her position and actually support the deal when and if she wins the wlous. andrea, what did you learn? >> well, he is not backing down. he is saying, though, that hillary clinton would make changes to it before going along with it. but since that is the priority of the president, they're going to proceed and try to get tpp on a lame duck session. right now i am in the virginia delegation where the vice presidential running mate is about to be coming out. let me play you a little bit of the mcauliffe sound. and if i am distracted, you'll know it's because we are at a live event right here with tim kaine. >> she will go forward if the changes she wants are

implemented, that everyone is in agreement, the labor folks are in agreement. unless the changes are made she doesn't support it. president obama does want this, as you know. >> so for you, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of wiggle room. terry almost sounds like he's doubling down. >> it is definitely doubling down and indicating that is the policy. we are at this event where there's a lot of secret service and staff trying to prevent us from getting my closer any clos kaine. i think we should cal yl you ba. christina shocky is joins me now. help me understand this.

when we first heard of tpp hillary clinton supported it. then she said after reading the details she was against it. >> actually i think what governor mcauliffe said last night when he clarified is he has no basis for knowing. he's not spoken to her about this. what's really important is our campaign chair said last night she is solidly againsttpp now and she will be as president of the united states. let me tell you, this was something that hillary actually wanted to see the details of the agreement. so she waited to see what the actual language was before the proposal came out. she has a strict criteria for all the trade deals. when she actually saw the details, she decided it did not and opposed it. >> what is governor mcauliffe's

motivation here? >> as he said last night, he actually hadn't spoken to her about this. he has no basis. >> why would he do this? >> i can't speak for him. our campaign chair made it absolutely clear that she is opposed to tpp now and she will be again as president. >> i want to talk about bill clinton last night. many said it was sort of this love story, the tale of their lives. but there's a "washington post" op ed that came out that said whenever the clinton's put their marriage at the center of the political cases they make for each other, the relationship becomes more vulnerable to criticism. how do you make their marriage the center focus when you can't not think about the darker times? >> you know, i think last night was just an extraordinary. he has been her husband for decades. they have shared their lives together. people really wanted to hear from him who hillary is, the hillary he met back in 1971. so he spoke about that very

movingly last night and talked about the fights of her life rve, who she was as a young woman. we thought it was a wonderful moving speech and tribute to her. >> if we're talking about authenticity and trustworthiness, this is bill clinton. he wants to talk summer of 1971. other people could say how about the monica lewinsky summer? why put yourself in this position? why have bill do this? >> i just think he wanted to give a very personal tribute to his wife and talk about the hillary he knows. we thought it was incredibly moving. being there last night in the arena, people were touched by he had to say. >> why is it though that the focus is let's humanize her? we've known hillary clinton for decades.

she's done extraordinary things. why do we suddenly need to know what a warm wife and mother she is. we're at a time of terror. yesterday we had a priest murdered in normandy. why don't we talk about that, her expertise as secretary of state. why do i care that she loaded up chelsea and got her ready for college? >> you just gave a phenomenal preview of tonight. we have two speakers who know her and served with her in the situation room. that's president obama and vice president biden. we're going to have people who know her, can vouch for her steadiness, her leadership capabilities, her knowledge. so you're going to have an incredible line-up tonight. >> why do we feel we don't know the real hillary, though? she's got a 100% name

recognition out there. everybody know who is hillary is. >> you know, i travel with her a lot and i talk to people who come to her events. it's really interesting to me how many americans know the jobs that she's had. they know her as secretary of state, they know her as first lady. but young americans don't know a lot about her life before that. they don't know what got her into public service, what her values were as a young woman, the choices she made. we wanted to give people a real sense of who she is and what she cared about even before people knew her in the public stage. >> what do you attribute her hi unfavorability rating to? >> she has been at the forefront of change her entire life. >> why don't people like her? >> when you're at a forefront of things, a lot of people criticize you for it. she's taken that on for decades. she's done it because she's a change maker.

she stays in the fight. she never gives up. we heard michelle obama talk about that, about hillary on monday, which was really meaning full to her and part of the reason she believes she's the best choice to be the next president of the united states. >> thanks for joining us. president obama one on one in an nbc news exclusive. does he think donald trump can win? the interview straight ahead. after a long day,

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♪ welcome back. you're watching msnbc. overnight hillary clinton goes over the top. >> i can't believe we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling yet. >> making history as the first woman ever officially nominated for president by a major party. she and her team trying to quell dissent within the convention halls. >> this is what democracy looks like. >> while her husband tries to make the case for her. >> she's the best darn change-maker i ever met. >> this morning, fierce backtracking from the campaign after one of her closest confidants says she'll flip-flop on the tpp trade deal. and russia speaking out.

what they say about the hacked democratic e-mails. we're going to cover it all here for you. within the past hour alone, democratic vice presidential candidate tim kaine and former presidential candidate bernie sanders both slamming donald trump. >> donald trump has been very willing to make fun of people with disabilities. donald trump uses racist and demeaning and offensive language when he talks about women. the next president is going to be the one celebrating 100 years of women getting the right to vote. is it too much to ask that it be a woman rather than somebody who offends women every time he opens his mouth? >> what makes him extremely dangerous is he is a doemagogue. he does not believe in the constitution of the united states of america. >> let's turn now to the

reaction pouring into bill clinton's dnc speech last night. he shared details about his marriage with hillary clinton and her role as a mother and of course made the case for electing her president. >> there are clear achievable, affordable responses to our challenges. but we won't get to them if america makes the wrong choice in this election. that's why you should elect her. >> i want to bring in two great chroniclers of bill clinton. david marinus and joe klein. you've seen bill give a lot of speeches over the years. what grade would you give him? >> not an a. i thought it was a good speech, a strong speech. this is america. everybody knows about their marriage and at some point he had to say something like, well, she's been a better wife than i've been a husband, but she's

stuck with me the way she'll stick with you or something like that. he had to acknowledge the fact that their marriage hadn't been perfect, as he once said. >> you know, it's not up to me to give him a grade. he wasn't speaking to old clinton hands like me and joe who know the real story. this was sort of a cliff notes sanitized version of a much more complicated story. some women didn't like the fact that he used the word girl when he was talking about his wife. some liked it. but the audience was not us. >> are we being too hard on bill? he's got to walk a fine line here. this is the first gentleman speech we've ever seen. should we be comparing him against melania? >> no. >> our standards are so high for this guy that a b for bill

clinton is an a-plus for anybody else. >> it was more -- to us, it was more like an extended wedding toast or a guy sitting down at a bar and telling a bartender a long story. let me tell you about my wife. >> well, i want to share something that the "new york times" article had, quote, a worry if hillary clinton wins, what to do with bill. and historically when mr. clinton does not have a job to do, he gets thin trouble. >> the thing is that running this country and being in part of the world is such a complicated operation these days, the issues are so technical and complicated that you need all the good people. it's all hands on deck. i'm not worried about that. i'm a little bit more worried

about who trump is going to have around. >> he got in trouble when he was very, very busy as president of the united states. i can't imagine the big dog actually setting up an office in the east wing of the white house. but i can imagine being very important to hillary's presidency. he's actually better at some of that stuff than he's been in her campaign. >> so if he's always screwing up when he'll dealing with his wife's campaigns, what should be his role going forward in the kb campaign, not the white house? >> she'll send him to some of those places where the bubba of bill clinton is very effective. he talked last night about when she sent him to west virginia, southern ohio, pennsylvania. he'll be mostly in those areas, i think, talking to working class white audiences and some black churches as well.

>> i think she should send him back to the middle east. he came close last time. should be a matter of weeks before he sorts that out. >> he was talking about a hillary clinton we don't know. how important is it for him to get to know that human side? >> i think other speaks might be a little more effective about that. there's always a fine line there between sort of a false presentation of the person you don't know and the reality of it. so i'm agnostic about the importance of that. >> when i've been reporting about their marriage, the stories that her friends tell are hilarious, because the policy -- they have screaming policy fights with each other. i mean, i think that it's significant that the the first thing he noticed about her was her personality, her strength.

and i think that what he's going to do in the white house if she wins is the same thing that she did. she was the one who came up with the line, i still believe in a place called hope. i think they bounce ideas off each other. they scream at each other about ideas. that makes both of them stronger. >> it's a fascinating relationship with the push and pull of that. one of the other paradoxes is that bill clinton comes across as this great lover of people, whereas hillary is much easier with people in close situations. >> and a strong woman, without a doubt. thank you so much for joining us this morn zblo. moving on, russia denies it's behind the hacks of the dnc e-mails. up next, chris kuhns of the foreign relations committee joins us. plus a bernie delegate who's

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in an exclusive interview with nbc news, president obama points the finger at russia being behind the release of the dnc e-mails. this morning the kremlin is officially denying it, saying, quote, this reminds me of a company where they tell each other horror stories and then start being frightened of their own stories. i'd like to bring in chris kuhns, a member of the foreign relations committee. you understand russia much more than we do.

do you truly police chibelieve behind these e-mails? >> i believe this is strongly possible. i haven't yet had a classified briefing on it. but if the president says it and we get an update from the intelligence community, i believe it. something americans don't know is just how active russian intelligence has been in trying to influence and in successfully influencing elections all across eastern europe and western europe. russia has made major investments in media outlets n grassroots campaign efforts and in covert efforts that have influenced elections across europe. >> if that's the case and they chose to time this just at the start of if cthe convention, aru concerned about what's next? i've got to guess hillary clinton's private e-mail server. are you worried that could be

next? >> this has been timed to influence the convention. for me the positive is we are coming through this convention in philadelphia united, even though the dnc e-mails came out right before our first day, senator sanders and his supporters have ultimately ended up supporting hillary clinton's nomination. you could feel the positive energy. and tonight when we hear from president obama and senator tim kaine, i think we'll hear some more about our security concerns, about russia and about the world. but we'll hear even more about their optimistic view about what we can do together to make this a better country and make us stronger. >> optimism is very important and the tone was strong last night. but when you look at the tone we saw last night from donald trump, the continued attacks that we're seeing from the likinlikes of isis and other terror threats or potentially this hack being

from russia, is this party taking this seriously enough? >> we are taking this seriously. that's why we're nominating secretary clinton, one of the most seasoned, most experienced nominees in american history to serve as our head of state. donald trump is just now discovering world affairs. what he knows, he knows from watching tv shows or maybe being there for a beauty pageant. secretary clinton is someone i served with on the foreign relations committee and when she was secretary of state. she is seasoned, experienced, tough, thoughtful and a very capable leader for our country. we're going to change topics now back to that breaking news. the man who shot ronald reagan, john hinckley junior is going to be set free. i want to bring in pete williams. give us an update. >> this is an order from the judge who's had the case for

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i move that hillary clinton be selected as the nominee of the democratic party. that was bernie sanders giving his official nomination of hillary clinton hillary clin president. his supporters, well, they'd hear none of it. staging a disruptive walkout from the convention last 23450i9. joining me is syndicated column 234i69 norman solomon, the head of the bernie sanders delegate network. welcome. >> thank you. >> last night bernie sanders made a clear, clear support nominating hillary clinton. so what's next for you and the delegates? were you involved in this walkout? >> actually i was in the california delegation spot and i wasn't even aware of a walkout. as i moved toward the exit, i saw a couple hundred people who were moving out of there. i think it was a psychological and political way of saying we have our own space, we don't want to disrupt -- actually there was not a disruption inside last night, but a way to say we affirm the values of this movement for social justice, to

challenge wall street, to have humane priorities in this country. >> is that movement in terms of just this week over and done with? >> oh, no, none of this is over and done with. >> in terms of this week. hillary clinton clearly has the nomination and bernie sanders has made it clear he's in her corner. >> well, people are al firming this is for the long haul. i think that while, of course, there's tremendous disappointment and last night was very bittersweet for so many of us ber 234i delegates, we know this is a long-term process. as martin luther king said, this is an ongoing struggle. >> are the disruptions over for the week? >> my crystal ball is in the shop. this is a process to say we care about this country and we're willing to challenge, for instance, the tpp. now, i'm afraid the hillary clinton campaign is still a bit clueless about how you become authentic. the way to do it is to be authentic. so when you say that you're against the tpp finally, and

then your closest confident, one of them, governor of virginia says well, it's squishy and we can flip over again, that reenforces the dynamic we saw over the weekend where the head of the democratic national committee, debbie wasserman schultz, resigns really in disgrace because of documented e-mails. hours later she's ap pointed to an honorary position. we shouldn't be honoring people who had their thumbs on the scale rather than have an open even-handed process. >> norman, thank you so much r your work and fashion. we have to take a break. we have more breaking news. this time in the charges against the officers in freddie gray's death. the prosecution has dropped its case against all remaining officers, the officers who arrested freddie gray last year, put him in a place van where he sustained deadly injuries. more ahead from independence mall on day three of the democratic national convention.

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you're watching msnbc. i'm stephanie ruhle. i want to to bring in chief legal correspondent ari melber. we're getting breaks news as relates to the freddie gray case, the remainder of police officers charged, those charges now being dropped. what's going on? >> reporter: that's correct. this is from msnbc's own sophia similar ali in baltimore. all three remaining officers' charges have been dropped. this means it's the end of the line for all prosecution revolving around the death of freddie gray in police custody. it means the prosecution didn't feel they had a reasonable probability of succeeding in any remaining cases. this is the end of the line for this set of cases. >> has it just been pressure that the prosecutor has had. it just seems like loss after

loss, hasn't been making much ground. >> reporter: that's right. they started with what they thought were their strongest cases which is typical. they started with the most serious charges which is how you would build forward a case when you have allegations of not only misconduct, but intent for officers to have caused the harm or death of the individual. having lost those bigger cases, it was going to get a lot harder. it's not so much public pressure, although this case has obviously been controversial and been in the public eye, but much more of a legal strategy that the prosecutors clearly no longer felt they had a reasonable chance of prevailing. >> ari, since the charges are dropped, what will this mean going forward for these officers? might they have a civil case against the state? >> reporter: it's a great question. any civil proceeding would be separate. what it means for the officers who were not ever brought to completion of a trial -- there

was one mistrial and the others had not been brought to trial, they are like anyone else in the system, innocent until proven guilty. they have basically been reliesed from this process. they remain innocent and are entitled to that pre sums and respect. civilly it's always possible to have a separate civil case. ly tell you the basic bottom line reaction and coverage of this case, doesn't help the civil case all that much, but it remains a lower standard. you could still find liability in the civil context even for people who were not either found guilty or even were acquitted in the criminal context. >> sarry, we've got breaking news, our own ari melber. vice presidential nominee tim kaine is doing his walkthrough right now at the wells fargo center. that's going to wrap me up for the hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. don't miss a special convention

coverage from philadelphia tonight, midnight eastern on msnbc. coming up now, more on convention coverage with jose diaz gal hard. >> also following information on the release of john hinckley jr., president reagan's would-be assassin. from baltimore, let word that the prosecution is dropping all charges against the three remaining officers. nbc justice correspondent pete williams is throwing these details. >> it was 1981. you remember the verdict then was not guilty by reason of insanity, and the sentence was that he had to be confined to a mental institution until he no longer needed hen tl health treatment. now the federal judge who has been overseeing this case for more than a decade says that day has come.

for the past dozen years or so, judge paul friedman here in washington has been giving hinckley increasingly liberal leave away from saint elizabeth's hospital just outside washington, d.c., allowed to visit his mother in williamsburg, virginia. today the judge issued an order saying now hinckley can leave the hospital and stay with his mother full time. there are a number of conditions attached to this. he has to continue to get mental health treatment, he has to come back here to the washington, d.c. area at least once a month for evaluation, talk to his doctors once a week, notify his treatment team if he goes to anybody's house, notify the secret service whenever he comes to washington. if he abides by all those restrictions, after a year the judge says hinckley can then pursue options to live on his own, either by himself or with roommates in a private home away from his mother. that arrangement seems inevitable because his mother is up in years. his mother is in her 80s.