>> when someone runs for president and says their primary qualification for being president is because they claim to be a successful businessman, then it's only fair to ask how did you become successful. we don't resent success in america, but we do resent people who take advantage of others in order to line their own pockets on the way up. >> now on the republican side, donald trump and mike pence are off the campaign trail today after holding separate events in colorado and ohio yesterday. at a rally in colorado springs trump had a different response than he's had in recent weeks. >> how do you lie to the fbi and now you're running for president?

you know what, i've been saying, i've been saying let's just beat her on november 8th, but you know what -- no, no. you know what, i'm starting to agree with you. >> well, nbc's kasie hunt is following the clinton campaign. she's in harrisburg, p.a. where mrs. clinton is holding a rally. what's on the agenda today? >> reporter: hillary clinton and tim kaine are about to head out on the second day of their bus tour after their convention, heading out west to pittsburgh in pennsylvania, youngstown and cleveland in ohio. if you think about that region, there are so many especially white working class voters who have been hard hit by the structural changes to the economy. and those are voters that clinton really needs to try to win over if she's hoping to win in the fall. there's new risk here in pennsylvania. it's a state that's not normally in play for republicans, but democrats will privately admit that they're worried about it.

but overshadowing all of this is this new information about hacking that may have affected the clinton campaign. of course, the hack of the dnc overshadowed the convention. we saw those e-mails come out. they're now having experts look in to how that may have impacted some servers that the clinton campaign used in the course of its work. in a statement, the clinton campaign did say that as of now they have no evidence that any of their internal servers were compromised. >> with the latest on the trump campaign, what do you think is behind that? >> do what nobody does, campaign really hard during the other party's convention and then take the weekend off. they really haven't explained anything behind that. they have a big week coming up next week in ohio, nevada,

pennsylvania, arizona, and i think as well -- and a couple of other states. they're splitting up. they started out this week together in a couple of states and then they split up. mike pence and donald trump will do the same thing next week. i don't think they have any stops together. as you listen to them this week they are really counting and doubling down on what they think is americans' dissatisfaction with the way the country is going. when you have the democratic convention and all of these positive speeches from the different speakers, including president obama, glowing reviews from many people, what donald trump's response to that is that he's out of touch with reality. he's talking about a world that doesn't exist. he addressed that yesterday in colorado. here's some of what he said. >> she makes it sound like everything is rosie dory. it's not rosie dory, folks. people are pouring across the border. we have no idea who they are. people are coming in from syria,

and you see what's happening with nice and the beloved priest, 85-year-old priest. he has his throat slit and dies. >> rosie dory, that's how he described it. now, something interesting to watch for this weekend are the poll numbers. as we've said before, this week donald trump was able to say, look, i'm beating hillary clinton in the polls. he hasn't been able to say that for a month and a half. it's been -- usually poll numbers are one of his biggest talking points, and for the last month and a half he's had a hard time not being able to talk about that until just now. if hillary clinton gets a huge bump and is suddenly ahead of him in all the polls, we'll see how he addresses that. usually if he's down in a poll he'll say he doesn't like that poll. we'll see what he'll be able to talk about in terms of the polls. >> thank you very much. joining me now, welcome and

good morning to you both. i want to get both of your reactions to the democratic and republican national conventions. let's talk about the two, what stood out. >> it was really fascinating to see both conventions. there was a huge contrast. donald trump was focusing on what's wrong with america and how they can fix it. hillary clinton, she was wearing all white on the night that she accepted the nomination. also the color of the suf ra gists. trying to show that america is still great as it is. both of them, we saw really interesting examples of divide. we saw protestors at both. we saw ted cruz on the stage pretty much not endorsing donald trump. at the dnc we saw a lot of protestors, a lot of disappointed bernie sanders

being expressive during the entire convention. >> paul,our thoughts? >> one of the things we noticed is that the democratic convention was packed with elected officials getting up and speaking in favor of hillary clinton. much less of that on the republican side. that means that hillary clinton begins the campaign general election season with an army of surrogates who can go out and raise money for her, ask for favors for her and rally their troops in front of any microphone available. donald trump does not have that built-in army working for him. that's going to be an advantage that clinton is going to try to utilize throughout the campaign season. >> donald trump took a jab at hillary clinton for not making herself accessible to the media. she has not held a news conference in over 200 days now. clinton campaign responded, quote, we'll have a press conference when we want to have a press conference. does it look bad? >> at least for the media it looks bad. we would love for hillary clinton to sit and have a press

conference. donald trump, he does talk to the media a lot. now, the clinton campaign says that she sits down for plenty of interviews and she does do a decent amount of interviews but she's not as open to the media as donald trump is. put her in a room full of hungry journalists to ask questions and you're going to get negative questions. you're going to get what that scene was from the u.n. about e-mails, lots of questions about e-mails, questions about hacks, questions about the dnc, about benghazi. that's not something that her campaign likely wants to put her in front of. >> he'll talk to the media, paul, unless it's the media that he does not want to talk to. talk about this blacklist and how that might hurt him, something mike pence said, i'm going to look into this. >> it's hard to know whether it hurts him or not. we in the media get really upset about things that affect us directly and we write a lot about it but i'm not sure how it affects anybody else, whether anybody else cares that donald

trump has conclude that had in some cases he doesn't want to extend credentials to members of the press who he doesn't think are covering him fairly. he's not even letting some reporter, apparently from the "washington post," get into the building at all even on the public line. that's weird. i think we will continue to write about it. whether anybody else cares, i don't actually know. >> very interesting story there. paul, let's shift gears and get to the clinton e-mail controversial in which you point out a shift in focus for hillary clinton in google search. last week it was all about e-mail investigations. what is it now? >> for the past couple of months, if you look at the google search terms people are looking for, indictment is one of the top terms they're looking for related to hillary clinton. last week indictment fell off the list of the top five. now people are asking personal questions, how old is hillary clinton, how tall is hillary clinton. go figure. so to some degree the democratic convention worked in attracting

the focus on where they wanted it to be, who is hillary clinton the person, not the policy controversies that have been following her throughout the campaign season. >> does that bode well for her, you think? >> it's what they wanted to do and i think absolutely they would like to get this stuff off the front page and off the mind of the people who are interested in the campaign. whether it lasts is a different question. that was a one-week bump. all this stuff moves pretty fast. for now it was a good thing for them. >> we have new allegations of donald trump now accusing the clinton campaign of rigging the upcoming debate schedule. what's that about? >> this is an interesting tweet that donald trump sent out the other night. he claimed that clinton has rigged the debate schedule because two of the presidential debates are apparently up against some nfl games. to be clear, the debate schedule was set, i believe, last september and it's set by a bipartisan commission on presidential debates and brings in officials from both sides who have had this determined for ages.

leave it to donald trump as we saw in the primaries, he's going to create a lot of drama about this. he pulled out of one of the priel area debates. that's kind of unheard of. there's nothing keeping donald trump from actually going to one of these debates. there's no law that says he has to debate hillary clinton. he probably will but he's going to create as much drama about it to promote one of his main things which is the system is rigged. so far he's pounced on the e-mails and he's going to keep doing it throughout the election and say i'm outside the system, i am not part of this rigged system, vote for me. >> wouldn't that be extraordinary if he doesn't show up for the debate. trump is leading among the blue collar workers. who do you think is going to win this fight? >> i have no idea. obviously the clinton/kaine camp is starting out in the rust belt. that's where they want to be, that's where they want to be focusing their time and attention. we will see if they're able to convince those people to come on

board. there's obviously a major effort in both parties to get that blue collar white voter. donald trump has to do very well in that crowd, very well in that crowd, to offset hillary clinton among hispanics, blacks and other minorities. >> what do you both think about the big names? you have obamas, both of them, joe biden, all wanting to campaign for hillary clinton. how effective is it to put people with such high profile out there? will that give them an edge? >> i think it's incredibly effective. we saw how well received the obamas speeches, joe biden's speeches were at the convention. obama is enjoying some of his highest favorability ratings and the clinton campaign needs to utilize him as much as possible. hillary clinton is not as good of a possible speaker as some of the people who spoke before her at the convention. with their popularity they're going to do everything they can to help hillary clinton because,

as paul said, donald trump doesn't have that same long list of surrogates to help him out. >> paul, to that effect, you have bill clinton who was in his dnc speech calling hillary a change maker. at the same time she is aligning herself with president obama. it's kind of a campaign for a third obama term in some ways. is that a difficult line to walk with trump surrogates saying she can't have it both ways, be a change maker, yet be an extension of the obama administration. >> there's a popult throw him out mood going on in america right now and donald trump can look at all those people alongside of hillary clinton and say, see, she's the status quo, i'm change. that could be a very powerful argument. on the other hand, it is always nice to have an array of people aligned next to you. that's where you're going to see this contrast of can he make the case that if her powerful friends are the problem not the solution. >> thank you both so much. i appreciate it.

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>> that's hillary clinton making history thursday night as she became the first woman to accept a major party's nomination for president but still leaving room for a few digs at her opponent. let's bring in david lit, producer at funny or die and former speech writer for president obama. welcome, david. thank you for joining me. >> great to be here. >> if you had to pick out the one moment, the most powerful moment that you found, perhaps the most meaningful all week from the dnc, which one was it? >> there were a lot of big speeches we were all expecting were going to be great, the president, the first lady. i think the moment when kaiser khan pulled the copy of the constitution out of his pocket and said donald trump, i will gladly lend you my copy of the constitution. it was amazing. >> i've heard people say grown men were reduced to tears. that speech seemly came out of nowhere. was the expectation that it would be so profound, so strong? >> it was surprising. it's so rare conventions are this mixed. they're well scripted if you do

them right but at the same time there are moments you don't expect and that was one of those moments. a huge amount of credit to the people planning the convention in the clinton campaign for being willing to put that in primetime. >> what about hillary clinton's speech? what did she have to do and did she accomplish it? >> i think the nominee's speech does not have to be the most -- the best speech, it does not need to be soaring. the it needs to say this person you've heard about over the last three days, people who say she's the right person for the job, she has the experience for that job, to say, yeah, i am that person, they weren't making it up. i think she did a good job. it wasn't soaring in the way president obama's was but she hit all her bases and she made a case for i'm not necessarily the best public speaker you'll ever see but i sweat the details and that should matter to you. >> best stage you'll ever see from hillary clinton. is she capable of delivering soaring rhetoric? >> i think she's a different kind ofaker tn bill

clinton is, than barack obama is. i think what she did well was set expectations and say -- she said i've always done the service part better than the public part, and i think there were moments of real greatness in that speech and moments of just this is the kind of president i'll be. i may not be the best on the stump, but i'll care about you and your family and i'll get the job done. >> a lot of people are looking at her speech and saying shades of bernie sanders in that speech as well. was that intentional and a smart move? >> the first few days of the convention were about unifying the party. in her speech she needed to reflect that she understood and the best thing she said was i've heard you, and it reinforces this idea that she's a listener, not just a talker which is a contrast in donald trump and a lot of bernie sanders delegates in that room appreciated her saying that. >> i'm curious, a speech like this, at huge, the biggest

speech she's ever given so far. at what point does working it stop? you see bernie sanders supporters making a lot of noise. when does that speech get finalized? >> i don't know exactly what her process is but i suspect she was making tweaks until the last minute. that's generally how a big speech like that works but it's important not to get thrown off your game. you have the big things you want to say and if you really think it's important a week before, then it should be important when you take the stage. but small ways you change it, little lines that you might change may be a way of rhetorical offering a hand to the bernie sanders supporters, that kind of thing can make a difference at the end. >> there was a really big speech on the first night, that of michelle obama's. let's take a listen to part of that. >> i wake up every morning in a house that was built by slaves and -- and i watch my daughters, two beautiful, intelligent black

young women playing with their dogs on the white house lawn. don't let anyone ever tell you that this country isn't great, that somehow we need to make it great again, because this right now is the greatest country on earth. >> so that story, what did you think of that? >> i think the first lady's speeches and her speech writer, sarah her wits, is really one of the best out there. the first ladies speeches in these conventions have always been powerful because she goes back to as a mother, as somebody who cares about my daughters, how does politics matter to them and what is this moment in our family's life, not just my own life, and i think she did a fantastic job. >> hillary clinton, does she do that well and is that a recipe for her with her speeches? >> it was interesting. you saw chelsea clinton talk about hillary clinton not just as a mother but a grandmother.

you didn't see it as much in hillary's speech but you did see her say as my mother's daughter and my daughter's mother and that was a sort of moment when it brought the history of the moment into focus like that. so maybe she will do more of that in the future. >> your former boss's speech, president obama's? >> i'm biased but i thought it was quite good. i think one of the things that president obama always does very well when we're having these kind of petty debates over e-mails or making this election entirely did an issue like tpp or some individual issue, he steps back and can say, no, this is about america. that was one of those moments when he said this is the america i know. that was something he can elevate really better than anybody else i've ever seen, and he did that on wednesday. >> on the campaign trail, how do you expect him to -- what's the tone? >> i think that he can speak more than anything else right now, this election should be about who is ready to be president, who would make a good president. i think if that's the question voters are asking, then it's pretty clear they're going to vote for hillary clinton. so he can, whether that's in

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sgljts . welcome back, everyone. we're keeping a close eye on where the campaigns are today. hillary clinton and running mate tim kaine will resume their bus tour through pennsylvania and ohio. their bus is expected to start rolling any time now. their first campaign stop is slated for about four hours from now and will be followed by two more events in in those states. we'll more in just a moment. the other big headline that we're monitoring at the bottom of the hour, a miami neighborhood is considered ground zero for the first

mosquito transmitted infections here in the u.s. what's the latest on this, and can you tell us how worried people are about it? >> reporter: great questions, alex. you know, there are four cases of suspected local transmissions. three men and one woman. all are believed to have visited the area around here around the time that they were infected. now at this point state and local officials aren't telling people to stay away but instead to take precautions, to be smart about things. they're going door to door in suspect neighborhoods, emptying standing water, testing for the zika-infected areas and trying to narrow the risk of infection. zika is spread several ways. it can be spread through mosquitos, through sexual contact, or through blood transfusions, so blood banks are now testing donations for zika along with other illnesses. news of these cases making international headlines, including in the u.k. where

health officials are now advising pregnant women to avoid nonessential travel to the area until after they give birth, alex. back to you. >> talk about these mosquitos. i just want to be clear. have mosquitos been found to carry the zika virus that they think are local or is this supposition at this point? >> reporter: here's how it breaks down. they have not actually located any infected mosquitos in the area. however, they are continuing to search. when they interviewed these four people, these four suspected cases, what they found they had in common was that they had not traveled outside the u.s., they had not traveled to any of these infected areas and they all crossed within this one square mile of area near downtown miami. add to that the fact that the mosquito believed to transmit zika, it doesn't travel more than 450 yards in its lifetime. all of this adding up to what

they are calling the first suspected cases of local transmission in the u.s. >> particularly that last bit of information in terms of where they travel in their lifetime. how concerned are officials and residents there that this is going to spread? >> reporter: this wasn't unexpected. for months now they've been preparing for what they believed was an eventuality that zika would come here to miami-dade county so it's not surprising. however, that doesn't mean they're not concerned. i wouldn't call it a fear at this point but more that officials are trying to educate people that they have to play a part in stopping the potential spread of zika. that includes wearing mosquito repellant and especially emptying out areas of standing water. it can be such a little amount of water, you may not think of it. the fountain in your yard, your kids' swimming pool that you may leave full overnight, little things like that, even potted plants, if there's remaining water in there. that is something they're really urging people to do, asking

people to be cognizant but not to live in fear, alex. >> okay. thank you so much. back to politics and the race for the white house. hillary clinton in here acceptance speech thursday declared she is the candidate who's best prepared to deal with the threat from isis. >> i've laid out my strategy for defeating isis. we will strike their sanctuaries from the air and support local forces taking them out on the ground. we will surge our intelligence so we detect and prevent attacks before they happen. we will disrupt their efforts online to reach and radicalize young people in our country. it won't be easy or quick, but make no mistake, we will prevail. >> let's bring in marklu landle. thank you for joining me.

>> thanks, alex. >> did you have any surprise in listening to secretary clinton's tone on isis? >> she laid out a strategy that for her is a familiar one. she ticked off the main points of it there. i was struck by one thing which is she didn't mention imposing a partial no-fly zone over syria which is something that she's talked about in the past. it's actually a somewhat controversial issue because even some military commanders in the pentagon think it would require a fairly large commitment of american resources. there's some question about how effective it would be. she didn't bring it up at the convention. it will be interesting to see if she brings it up later on or if it comes up in the context of perhaps the presidential debate. >> mark, i'm curious, relative to the research you did for your book and for your reporting currently, what have you found about the relationship between secretary clinton and president obama over foreign policy? >> well, the argument that i make in the book is that while there are many degrees of commonality, they're both people

who lean toward diplomacy at first and prefer a multi-lateral approach to dealing with crises. there are also some distinct differences. hillary clinton is more inclined, i think, to pull the military lever than president obama has been. in several of the major internal debates during the first term, she tended to be on the more hawkish side, whether it was surging troops into afghanistan or supplying weapons to the rebels in syria, intervening in libya. so i think there is sort of a definite difference between the two of them as it relates to committing american troops into foreign conflicts and more broadly the idea of intervention. >> so the acceptance speech that she gave, was that more president obama's line of thinking or her own? >> i think that she was trying very hard to sort of draw difference primarily with donald trump. i think it was less about a contrast with president obama than with donald trump. and you heard her hit very hard

this idea that she would be a tough-minded and reliable commander-in-chief. of course the contrast there is to what she would say is the unreliable, unpredictable erratic approach of donald trump. >> there's a review of your book which says that you characterize secretary clinton as a liberal interventionist who believes that the liberal mandate exercise to all corners of the world. how would that play out if she's elected? >> for example, in syria, where president obama has been really reluctant to get drawn in, isis has forced him to take some steps, some special forces troops, air strikes. as i said earlier, i think secretary clinton or former secretary clinton would have a perhaps more aggressive approach. i think she would be willing to entertain the idea of a no-fly zone. i think also in dealing with vladimir putin that she would be more likely to push back harder. she's certainly been on record

as saying that the u.s. probably should having pushed back harder in crimea and the ukraine, supplying weapons to the ukrainian army for example. those are two areas where i would expect her to be somewhat more forward leaning. >> how about russia? certainly it's captured headlines this week with the allegations that it leaked the hacked dnc e-mails to wikileaks. it has hacked at least two other democratic party computer systems, this is by the reports. are the tensions between vladimir putin's russia likely to be a part and what might a putin/clinton relationship look like? >> i think hillary, if you go back and look at her history with vladimir putin when she was secretary of state, it was a very, very tough relationship, and she in particular at the end of 2011 came out and basically accused the russian government of allowing widespread fraud in

one of their parliamentary elections. putin was very angry at her and in fact accused her of stirring up protestors on the streets of moscow. in fact, there's a strong theory that this recent hack allegedly by russian authorities, is in some ways a form of payback, that putin feels that clinton interfered in his election back in 2011 so he's now going to interfere in her election. so i guess i would predict a tough relationship if it was hillary clinton. donald trump on the other hand has said he wants to have a closer relationship with vladimir putin. his campaign manager has worked for officials linked to russia. so i think you could expect probably a very different approach on trump's side. having said that, our issues with the russians are going to be complicated no matter who's elected. >> also demarco murronald trump how does that play out?

>> what vladimir putin assumes perhaps wrongly is that since trump is on record as saying he wants a better relationship, that he would be inclined to cut russia more slack in places like syria and places like eastern europe. hillary clinton has been very clear that if the russians were to be aggressive toward the baltic states for example, she would really step in and kind of meet the obligation under the n.a.t.o. treaty to defend our allies there. donald trump in an interview with my newspaper said that wasn't all that clear to him. and i think that's sewihowing a great deal of uneasiness. one thing that is clear is you to have a very different approach if it was hillary clinton. >> a couple months until the first presidential debate on september 26th. how do you think the candidate positions are going to stand up on a debate stage? >> i guess one of my questions is whether donald trump is going to go through with debates. there's already been a tweet from him that suggests that he's kind of hedging his bets a little on whether he's going to

show up. i think that hillary clinton is an extremely skilled debater and if you go back to her laying out her strategy on isis, s's very comfortable speaking in detail, granular detail, about what she would do. donald trump was very effective on a stage with 15 other candidates during the primary season. the question i have is, in a one-on-one face-off with hillary clinton who will be extremely well prepared, how well will he be able to go toe-to-toe with her over a 90-minute period of time. i think that's going to be a big challenge for him. >> okay. thank you so much, mark. good to talk with you. >> thank you very much, alex. the voice of the people, the views of the election from a long-time democratic stronghold in ohio, is donald trump changing their political allegiances? in our next hour, how lawmakers in one state are accused of passing a law that tried to limit the right to vote for african-americans. my colleague francis rivera is going to have that, plus the

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makes three stops today, the last of which will be youngstown, ohio. cynthia mcfadden visited this rust belt city to see how voters there are learning more before this election. >> do you believe her lie? >> they have forgot the white middle class. >> they're the voices that could help decide this election. >> i don't trust either one of them. >> we came to youngstown, ohio, a traditionally democratic town, to see how voters in the heart of the rust belt reacted to the conventions in cleveland and philadelphia. >> you think the democratic party has left you -- >> like many of his listeners, ron has been a loyal democrat all his life, but after 30 years on the radio here, he's supporting his first republican, donald trump. >> the problem is we've lost too many good jobs. >> not everyone in town agrees. we ran into one of his listeners

on the sidewalk. >> under the democratic party i think i have a chance, i really do. seems like if trump gets in he's going to say this is the way it's going to be and if you don't like it, that's it. >> you know what that's called, leadership. >> that's called dictatorship. >> industrial jobs here have dried up over the past 40 years. unemployment is high and the working and middle class voters of youngstown will be key to winning the white house. ohio's non-college educated voters are going strongly for trump, 43 to clinton's 36. in this county alone, a notable 6,000 democrats have switched over to the republican party. but after watching the conventions, there is still plenty of undecided voters like democrat anthony who's impressed with trump. >> he's real. he's like me actually. he's a billionaire. >> he's a billionaire but he is just like me. >> next call, please -- >> ron says after watching the

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bernie sanders and i will work together to make college tuition free for the middle class and debt free for all. >> with a promise like that, hillary clinton is no doubt trying to appeal to younger voters and here's why. a new gallop tracking poll over the past month shows her favorability rating among 18 to 29-year-olds is just 31%. that is the lowest among the four voting age groups. among millennials, she does

better at 48%. but that again is the lowest among the other age groups. polsters will be measuring the impact bernie sanders' endorsement will have on millennials. philadelphia is returning to normal. cleanup crews were certainly out in force on friday. democratic presidential nominee hillary clinton and running mate tim kaine held a rally to thank the city for hosting the convention. >> i am so grateful to everyone in this city who pulled such a great convention together, who were so gracious, welcoming and hos pitable, and i am thrilled to so many americans from everywhere got a chance to see philadelphia. >> harold jackson, the editorial page editor for the philadelphia enquirer is here with me. nice to see you. we spent a hot, humid saturday

afternoon together in philadelphia. the convention, was it a success for your city? >> i think the convention was a success visually for philadelphia and or torically for the democratic party. >> okay, tell me why. talk to me about both. >> the visuals, you saw philadelphia presented in a very positive manner. you saw the best parts of the city. the staging at the democratic national convention, everything went across very well. the speeches made at the convention were very good and i think they'll have an impact far into the election. >> what about the demonstrators? who can forget actually when you and i were on the set last weekend we had bernie sanders supporters coming right behind our platform there, very loudly i might add, also black lives matters activists. how were the protestors handled by the if iphiladelphia police? >> they handled them very well. in the 2000 national convention here we had more than 400 people who were arrested. the police department at that

time decided they would be very forceful. this convention they took a more laid back approach. they gave people citations. fewer than 20 people were actually arrested so the police department did well handling the crowds. the protestors were very loud, very vocal, but they were not violent. >> that's true. one of your colleagues at the enquirer wrote that there were two cities in philadelphia this week, the one that had moved in for a few days and the one of contradiction and divide, the one with a downtown bursting with new growth and neighborhoods plagued by the highest poverty rate of any big city in the nation. were the residents of the poverty-stricken neighborhoods, were they the neighborhoods like fairhill, were they on the agenda of any of the delegate officials this week? >> what you saw in philadelphia and did not see in philadelphia could be repeated in any city in america. that section, urban dwellers, people who are poorly educated,

poorly employed, they're not seen in most american cities. so they weren't visible in philadelphia either. you heard very little about that during the convention by the speech makers. certainly the delegates didn't see very much of them but i think the same can be said of every city. african-americans get accused of walking in line step behind the democratic part but because that's because the republicans don't even provide lip service to the concerns of those communities. yes, we didn't see them, we didn't hear much about them. that's been the same virtually every election for the past 20 years and we're hoping in this election they'll get more attention. >> how about any expectation of these poor residents of philadelphia getting anything on the heels of the convention, anything directly for them out of it? >> not directly, i don't think so. there are those of us who live in the cities who have been looking for a specific urban plan for america for many years. one disappointment in president obama's administration is that

that was not provided. certainly there are many programs that touch urban america, touch african-americans and other minorities, but nothing that specifically applies to them. if they don't have reforms in education, if they don't have reforms in the criminal justice system, these communities will continue to be ill-served. >> you wrote in your column this week that bernie sanders supporters tried to upstage the black lives matters protestors. in spite of that, do you think the black lives matters people were able to get their message across? were their concerns addressed by the democrats? >> certainly they brought their movement to the stage for the democratic convention so at least there was some voice given to their concerns. it was not directly addressed. for those on the fringe of the bernie sanders supporters, those who are so vocal that they would boo bernie sanders tried to make their presence known during t convention. at times they upstaged other groups who wanted to get their

message across,. i don't know how much of an impact that will have on the election. >> do you expect to see a positive impact on philadelphia and its residents resulting from the convention? >> i don't expect there to be. they're still counting the dollars and cents to see what the economic impact will be. i don't think there will be any lasting impression. that's unfortunate. the city did present very well. it's a democratic city so if a democratic president is elected it hopes to benefit from that. we'll have to wait to see. city dwellers have been disappointed in the past by supporters a presidential candidate who didn't deliver what they expected them to do. we'll see what happens in that regard. >> the philadelphia enquirer's harold jackson, thank you for your time. >> thank you, alex. >> that is a wrap of this hour of msnbc live coming your way. in our next hour, making the switch. can we believe most of the bernie sanders supporters are now all in for hillary clinton?

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