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air balloon crash remains a mystery. the latest next. let's get right to new reaction amid backlash of his initial response to the dnc speech. they're part of an interview airing on nbc this week later this morning. >> he said you have sacrificed nothing and no one. >> well, who wrote that? did hilary's script writers write that? >> what sacrifices have you made? >> i worked very, very hard. creates tens of thousands of jobs. >> these are sacrifices. >> sure. i think they're sacrifices. when i can employ thousands and thousands of people. take care of their education. take care of so many things. even in the military i was very responsible for getting the vietnam memorial built in downtown manhattan which to this day people thank me for. i raised and i have raised millions of dollars for the

vets. i'm helping the vets a lot. i think my popularity with the vets is through the roof. >> after that clip was published yesterday trump released this statement while i feel deeply for the loss of his son, mr. khan who has never met me has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim have never read the constitution which is false and say other inaccurate things. he's calling on house speaker paul ryan and others. and americans are falling for themful republicans are falling for that and i can only appeal to them. it's a moral obligation. a person void of empathy for the people he wishes to lead cannot be trusted. it's placed in the wrong hands. the speaker has made clear many

times that he rejects this idea and that he made the ultimate sacrifice for this country and reaction from majority leader mitch mcconnell. trump's rival and john kasich tweeted there's only one way to talk about gold star parents with honor and respect. captain khan is a hero and together we should pray for his family. hillary clinton and bill clinton weighed in during a rally in ohio last night. >> somebody who attacks everybody has something missing. i don't know what it is. i'm not going to get into that. he attacked the distinguished father of a soldier who sacrificed himself for his unit, captain khan. >> his father was powerful and must have taken everything that mother had to stand up there and go through it.

i think the american people know what they saw and they know what they think. >> clinton and her running mate will wrap up their bus tour through pennsylvania and ohio today with an event in columbus. katie is following the trump cal pain and joins me in studio. we both are seeing what he is going to say about this. five minutes ago. >> he is trying to clarify or walk back these come mens. he said captain khan killed 12 years ago was a hero but this is about radical islamic terror and the weakness of our leaders to eradicate it. trying to say this is not about his son's service. his death was because of radical islamic terror. the issue he is having is donald trump's rhetoric con flating the two issues. radical islamic terror and

muslims being the problem in general saying that muslims are not telling on their neighbors when they know they're making bombs in their home. there's no evidence to support that and it's created an atmosphere where muslims feel that they are under attack and he is saying his son wouldn't have been able to serve under a donald trump presidency and that is his main argument. the trump campaign is con yu continually trying to frame that under terror. >> and mrs. khan, the mother. >> you're right. he said this on abc this week which is going to be airing right now that maybe there's something going on with the mother. maybe there's a reason why she can't talk. take a listen to how he put it exactly. >> he said you wouldn't even get his son in america. >> he doesn't know that. i saw him, he was very emotional and probably looked like a nice

guy to me. his wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. she had nothing to say. maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. >> she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. now that is an issue that many people are taking -- not taking well this morning so in response to trump's attack he is saying that's not true. my wife sees a photo of her son and breaks town and cries and that's why she didn't speak. it's not an idea that muslim women aren't allowed to have a voice and that idea he might put forth that she wasn't allowed to do so is again conflating the issue that donald trump doesn't understand or lax empathy for that group of people. but the campaign is saying it's not about thachl it's about radical islamic terror. >> and all of this while they're

off the campaign trail. they return tomorrow. >> pennsylvania and ohio and this is a busy week again this week. >> we'll see. good to have you with me. thank you. >> casey hunt is in cleveland following the clinton campaign and joined us over the phone. what is the campaign looking to achieve today? >> hey, well we are about to set out on the final leg of this bus tour heading to columbus, ohio. clinton driving late into the night last night. about two hours off her scheduled move making stops in pittsburgh and youngstown. now youngstown is in a section of ohio that democrats for a long time have relied on to win here. remember this tour is all about the working class white voters that feel diseffected by the changes in the economy. this is to be something that clinton is very aware of and acknowledged more openly than i have heard her do so. take a listen to what she had to

say about trump in this particular region of ohio. >> i know that there are people here in the valley who think they want to support trump. i just want you to try to have a conversation with them. i want you to ask them please to look at the facts. i want you to ask them to look at the stories that are coming out in the press every day about people who were stiffed, mistreated. >> so that's the message right there that they want to try to send about trump. doesn't feel like he is speaking to them and will help them get ahead, she and her campaign are trying to convince them that actually the promises that he is making aren't actually going to be fulfilled and this is part of why they're hitting on things like trump university so hard because they feel like it shows that while trump says one thing he actually does things that end up hurting the little guy in

many of his business transactions. so it's a difficult line for them to walk though. this is an area that barrack obama won by large margins and really relied on to carry the state of ohioful no republican has won the presidency in recent memory without winning ohio so it is critical for trump and of course hillary clinton has more than he does to get to those 270 electorial college votes right now. but she is telling you just how important it is that they feel that they need to sure things up here. >> all right. casey hunt for us following the clinton campaign. thank you very much. i want to bring in betsy, the political politics reporter at the daily beast and also the political reporter for buzz feed news. thank you for being with me this morning as we start with the latest tweet from donald trump on his remarks about captain khan. so put into perspective the latest comments by him.

is there any other context beyond the interpretation that caused out rage here that we should look into? >> i think on its face it is certainly understandable that people would be deeply frustrated by the nature of these comments. what stood out to me about the fall out of this controversy is increasingly professional way the trump campaign handled it. they sent out a mass e-mail last night with the subject line setting the record straight where they had a larger transcript of the comments. of course that doesn't change what he said. not going to call people down too much but we're seeing a more amped up response operation on the trump campaign that indicates that even though trump himself of course has comments that many folks find bizarre or alienating or perplexing his campaign itself seems to be getting into more of a general election and fweering up to be a bit more professional and a bit faster on their feet when he makes comments that could be liabilities for him. >> could be ammunition for the

hillary clinton campaign. he's providing a lot of material. do you think it might make trump's campaign managers reconsider now once and for all letting trump be donald trump? >> i mean, i don't think anyone can prevent donald trump from being donald trump. like betsy was saying they are doing increasing efforts tosor of clean up his mistakes when he makes them but the culture in any campaign starts at the top and the fact is that they have a candidate that frequently says things that caused huge controversies and so, the chance of being donald trump. and already has two scheduled in pennsylvania and ohio tomorrow. just yesterday out at another event at the buckeye state. how effective and how much can trump sway these rust belt voters? >> well, trump's success depends

on entirely whether he can win ohio and pennsylvania. republicans struggled with pennsylvania in the last few cycles. it seems like a long shot for trump. that said national democrats are concerned that certain demographic shifts in the state as well as concerns could give him a boost there. it's the fact that as trump himself is emphasizing the average of americans that think the country is on the wrong track is about 70%. and some of these rust belt states so of course it makes sense that hillary clinton would go there but trump sees these as not only necessary to win but as very much winnable. we can expect a lot of the campaign over the next 100 days. we have 100 days to focus on pennsylvania and if trump's numbers get soft that's a bad side. >> i want to bring up the numbers now as far as reuters. there's an online poll that

shows clinton with a 6 point lead of trump here. and someone other than the nominees and look how close we are to election day and when it comes to this particular poll but how concerned should both of these campaigns be. 25% of voters don't want to vote for either of them at this point. >> well, you know, i think that what is unusual about this election is that both nominees are so popular. an it's sort of a race to be the least unpopular candidate among your own party faithful. and the polling is going to tighten up as we get closer to the election. we're going to see how much oppenheim a balance and keep an eye on it the next few days. >> and we were talking about the

trump campaign to focus on fund-raising here. one of your colleagues was planning on focussing their efforts on senate races in six key states here that may or may not be as an attack point. and they're trying to work with it. >> the rnc they're trying to shift their views on the presidential election. that said, it's going on right now in colorado springs, the koch brothers as well as several hundreds to support their ideology. they have about 100 new donors and according to reports this is the largest number of potential donors and what that suggests is a lot of and see trump as the future of the party. of course trump positioned himself as a candidate that can

win and that's the term he likes to use but the fact is that a lot of the donors the rnc relied on are extremely skittish and unimpressed with their nominee this time around. >> thank you for being with me this morning. >> a dramatic shift. a new report is helping democrats became the party of national security. jack be nimb, jack knocked over a candlestick onto the shag carpeting...

ed. you read about it and you can study it, but until you sat at that desk, you don't know what it's like to manage a global crisis or send young people to war. but hilary has been in the room.

she's been part of those decisions. >> president ball balm speaking at the democratic national convention. for years the republicans were seen as the party of national secure an defense strategy but a new report suggests a change. it's titled role reversal. the dems become the security party. i want to bring in the national editor for politico magazine. appreciate you being with me. part of the article that struck me is when you write this for the first time perhaps since vietnam the democratic party is now the party of national security expertise. not just in it's own rhetoric but in the eyes of national security specialists on both sides. so let's talk about that. when and how did that shift happen. >> well it's happened over the last year and the republican nomination and security experts.

and there is no senior republican party national security expert. anyone that served in previous administrations that anyone i talk to knows who is supporting trump at this point. his advisors are odd ducks and certain people and many of these actual security experts, foreign policy experts including top advisors and toward hillary clinton and away from donald trump by people that are considered the establishment in washington. >> and there's no one it's going to be tough. and at a news conference his come mens when asked about the country's allies. >> i'm going to renegotiate our

military deals an the media never says that. i like nato and the concept of nato. it's out dated because it doesn't cover terror the way it should. >> you take comments like that where within our own boarders here at home some people may have reason for alarm but also when it comes to the united states and our allies abroad, how are those going to be perceived? >> well, you know, by the national security experts and the republican party and these kind of things questioning the successful structure that basically won the cold war. there are some legitimate things that trump has said. i have written positively about his sort of bold questioning of the post war structure since the threats that the structure was

created for have passed. namely the soviet union but this is really over the top to a lot of people in the foreign policy establishment and so you have this remarkable scenario where it is possible that trump becomes president he might not have that many people to hire who come from, you know, traditional republican administration. >> who would that be? if you look left and right and no one is saying i'm in, i'm up for it, who do you talk to? >> it's a very good question. and obviously it's a long time republican foreign policy senior official going back to reagan. these people have come out and said that they're going to vote for hillary clinton and support her so that is a massive shift in what was once perceived as a big strength for the republican party. >> i wish we had more time but

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father of a fallen muslim american. here's what they told me colleague moments ago on meet the press. >> i appreciate his statement calling my son a hero. and making this clarification and statement. but it sounds so disingenuous because of his rhetoric and hatred of dividing us. >> the losses of the khan family and the other americans that lost that's a tragedy and the only way we'll stop it is to focus on the real issues. this is not a temperament issue. they need to make it into a temperment issue for one reason. over 70% of the american people don believe a thing she says. >> let's bring in our daily beast columnist and msnbc political analyst and also the republican strategist and founder.

to both of you thanks for being with me. susan we're talking about donald trump's comments here responding to the khan family and he released this statement putting out the whole transcript. he reprinted the entire transcript of his comments about that and also tweeting just at the top of the hour here captain khan was a hero but this is about radical iz lalic terror and the weakness of our leaders to eraticate it. >> it appears that it's always about donald trump. all he had to say is my condolences go out to his family. the families of fallen soldiers make the greatest sacrifice. simple but he has to always make it about himself and that's the problem he's going to continue to have or people are going to pick that up and they can't rely on hilary as the scapegoat in every situation. >> the sacrifices of life.

>> it was just a horrible comparison and again and consider everything people know about his families and his kids are great. he has a soft spot for family and. >> strike two. at least the second time he criticized someone many see as a military hero and can he get away with it this time around or are we going to see a much bigger hit? >> well if there's any justice at all we'll see much more of a reaction and many republican politicians will be forced to state whether they reputiate donald trump and his attitude toward those that have given their lives for our country. we need to be clear on what exactly happened in that interview. donald trump was asked do you

have a thing to say to the khan family that lost their son in iraq. a man that wants to be president of the united states said yes i have something to say do they know about the problem with radical islamic terror i feel or 9/11 and san bernardino. any reasonable person, any person with a soul would say yes i have something to say to the khans, i'm very sorry about your loss. this was a terrible tragedy and you suffered more and that's the way a normal human being responds. much less a future president of the united states and his inability to respond as a normal compassionate human being is totally disqualifying him for this high office and the fact

that we have to comfort folks, that's part of the job of being president. not to just attack anybody who has criticized you and the failure of other republicans, susan not included. she has been great on this but other republicans not to recognize this raises issue about them and that's where the stories need to go now. the other republicans that do not recognize his manifest unfitness for high office. >> that's something we heard from mr. khan himself. i want to ask you to focus on battleground states. he is focussing in four key wins here. florida, pennsylvania, ohio, north carolina. all eggs in one basket. should he be looking at other states here? is it a mistake to ignore others? >> he'll have time to go into other battleground states. there's no question. he wants to see if there's a play to be made in florida. that's what i am guessing so you

want to invest early. it's the same thing that hillary clinton is doing in pennsylvania while most people think it will go to a democrat, donald trump is playing well there. that's just campaign strategy. he is making a rust belt run for it and he does have a narrow path that doesn't include florida but if by any chance he could put florida in play that would be smart for the campaign to do. >> i want to ask you about this hilary lynn on the especially when you have a report suggesting that she really isn't gaining any ground writing she will win or lose based on the strengths and weaknesses that will characterize her for decades. is there an argument for rebranding here especially coming off of the conventions where we saw the love story from bill clinton and those that knew her intimately as a young woman. is that something we need to continue to see to make some

strides? >> you always want to humanize yourself when you're running for president. they began that process at their convention. unfortunately for hillary clinton when she went out on the trail the next day she resumed a bad habit that she has which is to not recognize that she is talking into a microphone so she went back to that kind of yelling that she sometimes and it's been seen as an ishe needs to modulate her tone and we'll see if she can do that but this matter with the khan family and just heartless approach of donald trump should become a big campaign issue. she can't jump on it. she needs to let others do that

for her but i think she responded well when she said that donald trump is missing something. and that's something that voters have to look at. he's missing a critical piece of equipment. when asking what he had sacrificed in his life he couldn't answer the question. he hasn't made any sacrifices for his country. >> thank you so much for your time. thank you. in his own words one of the lesser told stories of the gop convention week. behind the scenes with john kasich and his nonendorsement of donald trump. ahead next on a.m. joy donald trump says he has given a lot of financial support to u. s. veterans but those claims are are coming under scrutiny. joy will example the facts. gh f. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension.

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convention still ringing in our ears and for the republicans the nominating progress began with a first debate in cleveland oh ohioful and the gop convention in his own state staying on the sidelines attending other events. it was one of the lesser told stories of the last two weeks. here's part of that. >> what are we to read by your failure to participate and go to the convention? >> i have been very clear about it. the challenge we have is i'm a person that wants to unite and i have said that i don't like the devicive language we have heard out of mr. trump and i have held out hope that it would change

look. i ran i campaign based on bringing people together. that wasn't just a bunch of lines i put together it's what i firmly believe. >> so would it be hypocritical for you to attend having said that? >> i'm not attending because i'm trying to be true to what i sympathy most important in my message and what i believe is most important for a country. >> if donald trump called you and said by gones come over and speak this week. >> he would have to change everything he said. we can't be attacking muslims and hispanics and trying to shutdown trade and not caring about the debt, those are all problems for me. i don't hold any personal animous toward donald trump. we just have different values and directions and policies. >> mike pence doesn't agree on a lot of point with donald trump yet he's his running mate. >> what do you think about mike pence. >> it's his decision. i'm not here to judge him but i'm here to tell you the way i

perceive this. i helped the republican party all of my lifetime. i will be heading to philadelphia on friday to campaign for somebody. i have offered to campaign for all house and senate members across the country and we're scheduled to do a lot of that and i'm going to do it because i believe in the party and the majority in the house and the senate needs to be retained. i just have a fundamental disagreement with the nominee. >> some might be scratching their heads wondering is this in some ways an endorsement of hillary clinton's candidacy. >> no, i just wrote a piece, my concern about hillary is she panders. who is driving the bus? is it bernie sanders or hillary clinton? ever time i turn around she is promising another group we need this country to come together with real solutions and stop dividing people and stop skate goating people. >> maybe i'll wake up one day and, you know, there's a

biblical person by the name of paul. he was once called saul and on the road to demaamascus he had transformation of his life. >> anything is possible in life. >> so you're looking for a convention of donald trump? >> yeah. i don't believe you can be scapegoating. i don't believe in the policies of religious tests and trying to deport 11.5 million hispanics. that's policies of division and it's not going to heal this country and i want to see some healing. >> that every human being is made in the image of our lord.

>> are you forgoing the chance to give the great speech. >> when you run in politics a lot of people think your rhetoric is nothing more than that. the things that i said during the campaign matter deeply to me and and we're two tirget companies. different vision, different culture, different directions and i just felt that this was the right thing to do. i'm not here to disrupt. i'm not here to criticize. i'm just here because i'm standing on the things that i believe are best for the country. >> you said there's no animous between you and donald trump but you said a condition for you changing your mind about his nomination and candidacy is something almost like seeing paul on the road to damascus. you want a real conversion. what would that be? >> i don't think we can be antiimmigration or deport

1.5 million people. i don't think we can say entitlements don't matter. there's countries not going broke. we shouldn't shutdown all of this trade. those are very bad policies and i don't think they help our country and americans are faced increasingly with no choice. they're not keen on trump and don't like hilary either. it's a vexing situation. >> it usually comes down to a choice between two possible winners. >> i don't. i don't have great advice for them. i did the best i could to raise the bar i thought for american politics. the things that are the key to america. i am in a great move and had the time of my life. another incredible moment. it's just that this is something that's a matter of conscious for me. >> tow believe he believes this

stuff about mexicans being racists -- >> i don't know. i have to go by what people say whae and when i hear things they mean something. >> i take no joy in the fact that this position of nonendorsement and maybe it will change. >> i have to see unity. but look when you think about ohio we had a wonderful convention. cleveland was shining, right? >> but can you see that path? >> that's not up to me. but, you see, i'm also somebody who believes in trade. i do believe in immigration i don't believe in isolation. it's important for principles. and jeb bush signed the pledge. does that promise go away just because the person you hoped if it wasn't you would get the nomination doesn't? >> they couple of things.

first of all, circumstances change. secondly the nominee said that if ted cruz and i went to the convention and we were actually able to win, that he was not of a mind to support us. that's not what influenced me, though. what influenced me is the circumstances changed. >> was the donald trump of that day different than the person you see now. >> yeah. i think -- >> i don't think he's ever been very different. >> anybody that's upset that i signed a pledge or agreed to support the nominee and i've seen circumstances change in my mind and i changed my mind about it, they can be mad at me. >> america is far less safe and the world is far less safe than when obama made the decision to put hillary clinton in charge of

america's foreign policy. let's defeat her in november, okay? >> is that the america you wake up to every morning? is that the america they wake up to in cleveland and columbus? >> it's not for me to do an analysis of donald trump's speech. >> but he's the person that's representing the republican party right now. is that the party you see? >> i don't -- i think it's pretty clear that in my state, we have brought people together and we see the light. i believe you have to -- you think about ronald reagan shining city on a hill. do we have challenges in america? of course we do but we can meet them but i don't live in a vision of a dark america undersiege from everywhere we look. i just don't happen to agree with that and frankly it's not

the way for us to get out of this mess. >> nicole wallace that was the communications director for george w. bush and now works for nbc said the party i worked for for 20 worked for for 24 years died in this room tonight. >> the party is different. this is part of the problem i am. i am proimmigration. we want to know who comes in. i am pro-trade, i've never been an ideological free trader but i believe we have to be engaged in the world and as americans as we come together both as democrats and republicans and liberals and remembering we are americans first, i think we could have a great america. i don't see america in those terms. people are nervous. many people in the country feel economically secure and worried about their children and many people feel like no one cares about them or listens to them. i get it. i understand that completely. it is just the way that i

approach it is different right now than what i hear inside some segments of the republican party. but one person at one moment in time doesn't change the dna of who we are. and i think things will settle down. >> meaning? he won't win? >> i can't predict that. who would predict what is happening in this race. this is like predicting the weather in three months, you can't do it. >> you know your state in ohio. you can't win the presidency, or very hard without ohio. >> you win ohio by being a unifier. >> he has not ruled out another presidential run but he plans to write a book about his vision for ohio and the rest of the country. and the cause of the deadly hot air balloon crash. that is next here on msnbc.

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balloon crash in texas that killed 16 people. kerry sanders is in lockhart, texas, where it happened and what more are we hearing about authorities about how it happened. >> it is a heartbreaking situation. the ntsb has people on the scene. the hot air balloon went into the power lines. 345,000 volts and when it hit, it exploded and catching fire arcing the electricity people and 16 people on board all dead and investigators are there and there are more investigators from the national transportation safety board heading this way but they did speak to us this morning. this is what he had to say. >> our goal is to work on scene to thoroughly gather factual information. we're not on scene to analyze the accident, to solve the

accident. our goal is not to solve it this week. our goal while being on scene is to collect the perishable evidence, the information that will go away with the passage of time. >> what we see here is a photograph that was taken by erica gonzalez, passing by in her car and she noticed it was awfully low, just beyond the tree line and she snapped a photograph 18 minutes later is when the accident happened. this is what she had to say. >> as we were getting closer to it, we could see they weren't really moving. they were hovering in the same spot and the gondola was full of people and they weren't moving. as we got even closer you could see the flame turning on and off and on and off and we thought something has to be wrong. >> did it look like they were trying to climb? >> i don't know very much about hot air balloons. to me it just seemed they couldn't climb. they were stuck right above the

tree line. >> the faa does not require a passenger manifest so the authorities are trying to determine everybody who was on board to notify the next of kin and there are no black boxes on a balloon so this is truly a forensic investigation. frances. >> so tragic. gary francis there in lockhart, texas. thank you. and that does it for me. i'm frances rivera. up next, joy reid will dive into the alleged cyber war on democrats. have a great sunday. for as long as i can. new patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. for the strength and energy to do what you love. new ensure enlive. always be you.

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