post," trump refused to endorse paul ryan and john mccain. all this causeding senior party officials to reach a breaking point with the candidate they're just unable to control. there is some good news for trump, this morning the campaign announced a big fundraising number, $80 million raised by the campaign and joint events with the republican national committee. nbc's katie tur covers the trump campaign and she is live outside of trump tower, so katie, thanks for being here. i want to start with these reports about disunity and chaos within the campaign and also some buzz about republicans considering an intervention, what are you hearing? >> reporter: yeah, i just talked to one of my republican sources, and they can confirm that donald trump, an intervention will be staged. they're looking at staging an event for donald trump. people like rudy giuliani involved, reince priebus and newt gingrich. calls going on right now and there's conversations going on right now about who else would be involved in this intervention. who else would be affected.

the issue is that it's unclear who donald trump would actually listen to. and that's been an ongoing concern among the gop sources that i've been speaking to for some time now. can the gop just back away from trump? can the party back away from trump? can the party officials who don't agree with him quit their jobs? these are all conversations being held right now. because they fundamentally disagree with donald trump on so many issues. and the way he's handled his campaign. controversy after controversy, there was the khan controversy, there's the melania plagiarism controversy, there's donald trump taking the purple heart from a soldier, now donald trump says that he wouldn't necessarily support paul ryan or john mccain. these are problems for the gop, not just because donald trump is saying them, but because they have to try and find a way to mitigate the losses with donald trump. if he starts dropping in the polls even more, he's losing to hillary clinton by eight or nine points, they start to really worry about senate races.

they want to maintain a majority in the senate. they have to find a way to support donald trump, support his policies, support him as a candidate, in order to support their down ballot races. they can't abandon donald trump as the nominee because then they will lose the senate. that poses a great problem for gop operatives and for the gop ability to influence politics come november. so there's ongoing conversations right now about how best to do that. they haven't quite figured it out. their best bet right now is to try an convince donald trump to back off, to tone it done, the issue is they've been burned so many times in the past before, there is little to no hope that he'll be able to do it. >> katie, quickly before i let you go, paul manafort was just doing an interview in which he said, it's the media that needs an intervention. our campaign is doing just fine. do you get the sense that donald trump understands how serious this moment is for his campaign? the fact that from an outsiders

perspective, it appears to be at a free fall. >> reporter: donald trump is near a course of people telling him it is not a good idea to go after the khans. it is not a good idea to fight with the gop. to back off it, to focus on hillary clinton. the issue that donald trump has is the voters that come to his rally are vehement in their support for them. they cheer loudly when he talks about his distaste for being attacked by anybody, let alone a gold star family. they cheered vehemently when he's talking about hillary clinton. he sees, he sees himself as having a mandate from republican voters that he is the leader of the republican party, not folks like paul ryan, not folks like john mccain, not folks like mitch mcconnell. they don't necessarily matter to donald trump. and there are experts out there, including a person i just spoke with a moment ago who says that's true, what really matters is donald trump going after a gold star family. that sort of stuff is what's going to hurt anymore in the long run with voters who think he just can't help himself and

he doesn't have the temperament to be in the white house. >> all right. nbc's katie tur, great reporting as always, thanks, katie. and joining me here in studio for more on the trump candidacy, our michael steele from a press sec toir to john boehner and paul ryan joining vice presidential run and michael gursen, former speech writer prp it is the michael segment. thanks for being here. appreciate it. michael steele, i want to start with you. you heard katie tur talk about the possibility of an intervention. i wonder what you're hearing, and given that you worked so closely with paul ryan, do you think he will ever withdraw his endorsement of donald trump? >> no, i don't think that would be the best way to approach this. i think what you're seeing is a lot of republicans who are willing to kind of hold their noses and continue to support the nominee who are really questioning that decision yet again. john mccain is an american hero. paul ryan is the highest elected republican in the country. attacking those people doesn't help unify the party, it doesn't

bring us together, and you can't win in november, you can't beat hillary clinton if you can't bring the party together. >> i guess so many people are scratching their heads and saying this is a real exit win, an opportunity for paul ryan. president obama putting the pressure on him yesterday saying you keep having to come out every day and condemn what he says, how can you continue to support him? you know paul ryan better than almost anyone, what's the answer to that question, do you think? >> well, if you look at what you said on this, he said that he has a lot of questions about donald trump. he had a lot of disagreements on some big issues with donald trump. but he knows that there is no chance of enacting a conservative reform agenda under hillary clinton. and that, in the final analysis and helping his members, helping keep the majority in the house and fighting for these principles is what he's going to continue to work for. >> michael, i want to ask you about a report in the wall street journal that former president george w. bush he worked with was at a fundraiser and he essentially criticized

donald trump without mentioning him by name. we know that the bushes are staunch critics of him. do you expect him to get into the fray? is to start publicly stepping out and saying these things? >> no, i don't, actually. i think that they, the attitude they've adopted is to make clear what the general view is, but not be engaged in the day-to-day back and forth of this campaign. it was odd at the republican convention that they could not talk about the past. they couldn't talk about past presidents, they couldn't talk about past nominees because they've all opposed the candidate. it was truly unprecedented. and it sets off the conflict we're seeing now. >> i want to -- speaking of the past, play something from the past. this is former president george w. bush responding to one of his toughest critics. cindy sheehan, this is how he responded to her criticism. i want to get your reaction on the other side. >> you know, listen, i summarize with mr. sheehan, he feshe feel

strongly about her position. and she has every right in the world to say what she believes, this is america. she has a right to her position. and i thought long and hard about her position. i've heard her position from others, which is get out of iraq now. and, it would be, it would billion a mistake to the security of this country. and the ability to lay the foundations for piece in the long run if we were to do so. >> michael, incredibly different response than what we heard from donald trump in other words to the khan family. is this why we're in this moment right now? >> well, you saw with president bush what his immediate reaction to a question like that was, it was empathy, putting himself in the shoes in the people that were involved in this. donald trump's immediate response is defensiveness, attack people who attack him. that is his disposition, his temperament. that's what people are concerned

about here. not, you know, he doesn't think doesn't take advice, and the fear is because there's come sulsiveness going on here, something that's beyond politics, that doesn't allow him to do things that are rational from a political perspective. that i think is some of the deeper fear that's going on. >> and mike, go ahead, you wanted to weigh in. >> there's no question that people who have been willing to overlook or dismiss or guest past some of his horrible statements in the past, look at this sustained attack on a gold star family. and it turns their stomach and turns their confidence and they can't go along with that. >> and last night that meg witman, ceo of hewitt packard is going to vote for hillary clinton. campaign for her, asking her contributors to contribute money to hillary clinton. is that why you think we are seeing some republicans defect to hillary clinton and do you expect there to be more? >> i do. i think the sustained attack on this family is one of the

reasons that a number of people, including retiring republican congressman, a number of high profile campaign aids to other former candidates have come out in recent days, and i think unless we see some sort of real fundamental shift, not just a reset in tone for a couple of days, but a real fundamental shift in the way donald trump acts as the nominee. you will certainly see more of that. >> it's interesting when you look at the last time this happened in a big way, this night in '74, august of '74 when republican leaders came to richard nixon and said this is hopeless. it's interesting in that case. republicaning defended them, but down the line, until one day, he was no longer defensible. and they had to cover up one another to come out and say, this isn't going to work. this is political disaster. and i think when your looking at the polls, looking at the fundraising and determining the disaster. >> what an interesting word you use. defensible. i wonder if i can ask you both personally, are you not going to support donald trump or thinking

about supporting hillary clinton or sitting the election out? >> i got to that point a while ago. i think some others did earlier in this process, but he could -- >> will you vote for clinton then? >> i haven't gone that far. because i have serious concerns on that side too. but at least a lot of the homeless in american politics. >> i was going say i'm a republican, registered republican in the district of columbia, my vote couldn't matter less in the presidential election. >> every vote counts. >> it doesn't matter very much, but there is no question that people have a lot of concerns about donald trump that they are growing, and that's making a lot of people search their souls about what they will do in november. >> i have to ask you about this tweet, carl holtz, the new york times tweeted out, you're smiling already, this picture, he says he received from a former boehner staffer, and it shows the former house speaker with a glass of wine. we believe this came after his campaign lost, his bid for reelection. so do you know which staffer

sent that out? >> i don't. >> was it you? may i ask you? >> it was not me. the former speaker often enjoying a little merlot in the evening, it's not necessarily tied to what happened when kansas won, but certainly an interesting night in that front. >> this is someone who made advertise life difficult, is it fafts he was not upset about this? >> i cannot imagine there's a huge fan or terribly upset. >> a lesson here which is that voters are saying, we actually want more than ideology right now, we actually want to see results. >> well, i think you saw a member who was from one of the largest agricultural districts in the country who acted in a way that got him kicked off the agriculture committee. that's not governing. that's mot meeting their minimum of your job for your constituents, and it's constituent's reacted. >> final thoughts? >> i do think we've hit a really historic moment in the republican party and people are going to be tested how they reacted to this moment. paul ryan is being tested, others, we're seeing that unfold.

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>> and that is a new hillary clinton ad mocking donald trump for making his profits overseas while he touts the slogan make america great again. today clinton is in colorado trying to sell her economic plan. republican vice presidential nominee mike pence is also speaking in that battleground state today. msnbc's contributor and former chairman howard dean joins me in studio to talk about this and the clinton stlaj. a lot to talk about. exactly. let's start with the clinton campaign though. secretary clinton clearly has the momentum right now. she's leading in the polls and of course donald trump coming off of a really tough several days, but, does the clinton campaign run the risk of becoming overcompetent? >> absolutely. i think given the way this campaign has gone, donald trump has, every week i feel donald trump was dead for the last year. so what the clinton folks have done starting with the convention is just been a flawless, flawless campaign. the convention was flawless, i

think they're really running on exactly the path and the program they need to run on right now. >> she had that misstep over the weekend, that answer to her e-mails. she was given four picinoccios in the washington post. this continueses to overshadow her campaign. how does she turn the trust around? that's still a liability heading into the fall. >> you know, i mean, you can tell the truth, and she does tell the truth about the e-mails. the e-mails in fact were -- none were classified at the time, director comey misspoke and said so later on, look, this is what it is. we had vince foster, i mean, people like to go after hillary clinton. and for whatever reason. she still going to be a great president. i think there's no comparison her and donald trump and i don't

believe there was anything wrong with the e-mail things, she hadn't had two servers that would have been better, she did, colin powell had a separate e-mail account. >> let me ask you about one of her other challenges when you dig into the polls a little bit more. donald trump is leading her right now nearly 2-1 with white male voters. how does she make up that deficit? she's not going to win, but studies are saying look, she needs to close that gap to be in a secure place. she's taking her economic plan to some of the critical battleground states, is that enough? >> no, i think the object there is she's going to win, and when she does, she needs to govern everybody, not just the people that vote for her. the biggest problem in this race is the problem that's going on all over the world which is responsible for the brexit vote. there are a lot of people left behind in the globalization. and those people mostly include

older, white men without college education who can't recover from the 2008 collapse because they don't have the skills. and we've got to address that as a group of nations and we to want democracy to survive. that's why she's going to places like that. >> is she addressing that aggressively enough? is she reaching them right now? >> i don't know, i can't tell you if she's reaching them, i'm not a pollster. i think she's doing exactly what she should be doing, better opportunities, health care for everybody, which you absolutely have to have. she's talking about skills, schools, schools that teach skills that are necessary. forgiving college loans. these are all borrowed money to send their kids to college. some in many cases co-signed the loan, they're responsible for that. i think she's doing a good job of reaching out. do i think we're going to win the white male vote with no college education? i don't think so, but we need to govern. think about govern and making their role stronger and better. >> great to see you.

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mother of active air force staff sergeant confronted mike pence about donald trump's recent attack on the khan family. katherine burn joins me now, i want to thank you for being here. i want to thank you for your son's service and sacrifice. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you about that moment, that striking moment. i wonder what was going through your mind as you're asking that question and getting booed. you kept pushing on though through the boos, which was so incredible. what was in your head and your heart? >> as soon as they started booing, yeah, it got very stressful and intense and i just knew that i needed to focus on the question. and i was practicing the question and i was just trying to stay focussed to finish the question. >> and did you get the answer you were looking for? i mean, governor pence said this is what democracy looks like, this is what democracy sounds like, so he seemed to try to push back on those boos. were you satisfied with his

response? >> yes and no. i didn't think i really got an answer to the question, which is about how can he back donald trump when donald trump is so disrespectful to the military? however, i did, i was very thankful to governor pence in that he, you know, personally thanked me and my son for our service. and you know, he did comment and the crowd was booing, you know, he did try and quiet the crowd a little bit. so, for that, you know, what he expressed to me personally i was very thankful for. >> i know you were a donald trump supporter, i also know that this back and forth with the khan family was a breaking point for a lot of people. will you support donald trump? >> yes. >> do you support him -- >> no, i do not support donald trump. i don't even really want to talk about this from a candidate issue, but i'm talk abouting from a military mother issue. this is from a mom issue. and to me, it's a very personal connection to me and my commander and chief. >> and so talk to me about that,

from the perspective of a military mom, what are politicians across the board missing that you want them to understand? >> that the level of respect is just really upsetting to me. and that i just don't, you know, feel that our commander and chief could just kind of fly off the cuff and talk like that and be so disrespectful to people and to everybody. and then it's just such a last straw with, you know, be so offensive to a gold star family. and you were all individuals and we all have a sacrifice to make, and it's from a mom's perspective, with a child in the military, my son is very loyal and he's very, you know, he's committed to his country, so he would never speak up against anything to a commander officer or anything, but i know as a mom, i have an interest in my son, my son's well being, and i don't want him to be put in harm's way. and i'm afraid that that could

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nbc news intelligence and national security correspondent is at the u.s. district court in virginia following the story for us. what's the latest there? >> reporter: yeah, kristin, well nicholas young, 36 years old is going to appear in this court house behind me to face these charges. he's being charged with materially supporting isis because he purchased gift cards that he thought were going to be used for isis fighters to use, secure mobile messaging epas. apparently he's been under surveillance for some number of years and was known to the fbi and known to metro officials as a person with disturbing ideas, but they had never had enough to charge him until just last month and they had dangled an undercover informant in front of him with whom he hatched this plot to. >> do we know what the sentence would be if he is convicted? >> he's facing up to 20 years in prison if convicted. >> all right, ken, thank you so much for that report, appreciate

it. and donald trump faces growing backlash over his dispute with the parents of a muslim-american army captain killed in iraq. trump continues to defend his proposal to ban muslims from entering the country. trump first promised the ban nine months ago after the san bernardino shooting. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> now since then, it's important to point out trump has described this plan in several different ways, but neverly formerly rolled back the temporary muslim ban. saying he's calling for an expansion. >> i actually don't think it's effective. in fact, it's an expansion. i'm looking now at territories, people were used the word muslim, oh, you can't use the word muslim. remember this, and i'm okay because i'm talking territory instead of muslim.

>> a new legal unit investigation gives us the first comprehensive policy analysis of exactly how this policy would actually be administrated. and as chief legal correspondent arie melburn breaks it down. >> our legal unit spoke to burdener security and homeland security experts in both parties said expensive, and hard to do. you'd have to vet people for religion. here's part of an exchange right here on msnbc. >> a customs would ask the person his or her religion. >> that would probably be -- they would say are you muslim? >> and if they said yes, they would not be allow in the country. >> that's correct. >> so that's one concept of how you would do it, of course it's very difficult if you apply this to all the people coming into the united states. our experts said we'll give you quick highlights, unworkable, impossible, another agent says i don't think it's doable.

and here's one of the big numbers that we found in talking to dhs now about this. there's 189 million admissions into the united states from all over the world. if you did a religion ban, you'd have to vet all those people individually since we are here on "andrea mitchell reports," a show that looks at foreign policy and around the world. i want to read more reporting about looking at this ban in context, today, no country formerly bans immigrants based on religion, only a handful have tried. saudi arabia published a policy to ban jewish immigrants in 2004 wasn't enforced and practiced at the time. and german officials pushed rules to vet muslims including a state royalty test which was narrowed. federal government scrutinized residents as potential terrorists which a german court overturned in 2006. and right here in america, a surge of u.s. code, that's all federal laws in the books so every reference to religion functions to welcome religious appearance, not discriminate against them. that is one of the other big

takeaways. this has been criticized as potentially illegal, it's been criticized as a bad idea including leaders like paul ryan. what we're finding here in looking at the policy, it's an unprecedented idea that would be very difficult, if not impossible to implement and very expensive that we didn't get to all the economic costs beyond government spending because you'd be cutting it down on business, commerce, and tourist dollars that currently flow into the united states. >> well, and just to follow-up on that point, you talk about the staggering cost over $100 million. what did you find in terms of manpower and logistics? what are experts say. >> because donald trump hasn't released a written format, these are just rough ball parks, but people said you would have to do anything from double to five times immigration enforcement. might have to hire up to $1100,0 agents, and 21 million is what we currently spend. then on the economic impacts.

we can total this up. muslim tourists spend about 18 billion in the united states. the visa waiver program was welcomed europeans without having to do any major vetting or visa applications is another 84 billion. you'd be writing some of that by definition if you change the immigration structure to tighten and restrict those people from coming in. another 100 plus billion trade in just the top four muslim prodominant countries abroad. what we're seeing is, and this is an understatement. many aspects hasn't been fully priced in or debated in the presidential election thus far. >> just fascinating stuff. thank you for that deep dive, really appreciate it. and coming up, unraveling? after 24 hours refusing to endorse the speaker of the house and apparent tusz wl a baby. is the trump campaign on life support? more on that next right here on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.

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in his wide ranging interview with the "washington post" donald trump said he was surprised people were still talking about the comments he made to usa "today," he hoped his daughter ivanka would find another career if he was treated like gretchen carlson. last night ivanka weighs in on harassment in the workplace. take a listen. >> i think sexual harassment is inexcusable in any setting. i think harassment in general, regardless, sexual or otherwise, is totally inexcusable and if it transpires, it needs to be reported. and it needs to be dealt with on a company level. we have a very strong hr team at the trump organization who is equipped to deal with these issues if they arise and you hope off culture in which they don't arise. when they do, it needs to be dealt with, certainly. >> joining me now to assess all

of they are, jonathan capehart, thanks for being here this afternoon. >> hi kristin. >> jonathan, i want to the start with you. you look at this video of ivanka and it underscores, she is so in depth, she would be a powerful politician in her own right. and this all comes as her father's campaign seems to be in free fall, reince priebus about the fact that trump is indicating he's not going to support paul ryan and john mccain. describe this moment, put it into context, how bad is this moment for donald trump? >> well, i mean it's incredibly bad. just in your introduction, there's so much to unpack there. if donald trump had given the answer that his daughter gave, this wouldn't be one leg of the controversy that is surrounding himself right now. the other one concerning gop chair reince priebus, the idea that he is of a ro plek tick now because of what donald trump won't say about speaker ryan,

that is what he would give him his endorsement raises the question, so the muslim ban, the comments on mexicans, his immigration plan, making fun of a disabled reporter, none of those things were enough to rise to the level of being there, but this does? >> is this a moment where we see the top republicans like paul ryan rescind their endorsement donald trump? >> they haven't done it yet, kristin, which, you know, as jonathan points out, they've had ample opportunity, it's not

necessarily donald trump has not been basically who he has been in the last 48 hours throughout much of this campaign. look, reince priebus, scott walker, paul ryan, they stand by one another, they are loyal to a fault. let's see if it moves beyond wisconsin. if you see a lot of other people coming out. i think there is real worry within the republican party, but i've heard these worries and you and jonathan have heard these formonths. this is going to be the struggle. this time we're going to come out, i just -- if they haven't yet, i'm just not sure why now, whether it's his our colleague about paul ryan or his fight with the khans. there have been a million of these things. we forget about them there've been so many. so why is this the tipping point? >> it leads me to your tweet, chris, and you said it's not possible for the last six days to have gone, i think, worse for donald trump. how does he turn it around at

this point? >> i mean, you know, i'll tell you a response to that tweet from your colleague chuck todd was, never set the bar. right, which is true because every time you think, well trump just made a mistake that's going to damage his campaign beyond repair or this is the final straw, there's always another act. it just seems to me that you do reach, at some point, critical mass with his unwillingness to listen to other people. i know some of the people who are within his campaign, they are smart-abled, talented political operatives -- and i think they are giving him advice, let's not pick a fight with the gold star family, paul ryan, he just doesn't listen. >> yeah, and jonathan, to chris's point, he always seems to bounce back, but that was really during the primary. we're now in the general election. and in order to win, trump needs more than his base. the supporters. we know that his supporters are not going anywhere, but he needs to bring more voters into the fold, doesn't he?

isn't that the point? and isn't he making that really tough to do with each of these controversies? >> yes he is, but as long as his poll numbers have him and secretary clinton in either virtual ties or with her still within striking distance of her, for him, it's all about the ratings and it's about the polls. and if his poll numbers don't plummet, given all of this to his mind, he's going to think that what i'm doing is working. it worked during the primary, it's the reason why i'm the republican party nominee, and to his mind, for some reason, he thinks that this is going to work at the general election level, but as, you know, we're going to find out in november, you can only go so far in a general election with a general electorate with this kind of campaign, and i sort of hesitate to call it a campaign. >> well, and there were so many striking moments yesterday, one we just wanted to remind folks of, then i'm going to get your reaction on the other side.

this is donald trump and the baby from yesterday. >> don't worry about that baby, i love babies. i love babies. i hear that baby crying, i like it. i like it. what a baby. what a beautiful baby. don't worry. ripped us absolutely to shreds -- actually, i was only kidding, you can get the baby out of here. that's all right. don't worry. i think she really believed me that i loved having a baby crying while i'm speaking. >> chris, i was trying to form late the question, i'm not sure i have one, it just falls into you can't make it up. >> no, well look, there is -- if you only show that clip, there is, he has a showman's sense and appeal to him, right? if you can sort of see what -- he's funny at times. that's funny. right, he can be thinking on his

feet, he is a capable performer, the problem is, all of the other stuff. if that was, if that was a side as part of a longer address in which he talking about hillary clinton and e-mails and trust worthiness, that would be great. it would like, a humanizing part, the problem it's wrapped up in all of this other stuff that's all over the place. >> jonathan, final word to you, it strikes me that the clinton's campaign biggest challenge right now is not becoming overconfident. as you've been saying, donald trump can come back. >> right, right. and look, that's why i mentioned, you know, in november, that will be the ultimate poll. that will be the ultimate test. and until you get there, where are we, 9. days we have seen this man survive all sorts of things that would have done in any other presidential campaign, and yet, he still survives. so anyone in the clinton camp, anyone who is supporting her who thinks that this thing is all wrapped up with 97 days to go,

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today the obama administration is denying reports describing a negotiated cash transaction with the iranian government as ransom connected to the release of detained americans. the story was first reported by the wall street journal and nbc news spoke with state department press secretary this morning, take a look. >> u.s. policy is not to pay ransom for detained americans or those held prisoner. and this had nothing to do with that. the president spoke to this back in january, so did secretary january, but when this payment was made, with our americans home, with the iran deal done as the president said, the time was right to move forward with this long-standing claim that goes way back to like 1981.

>> nbc's ron allen is live at the white house, ron, you pressed josh ernest about all of this, the briefing just wrapping up, what is the white house saying at this hour? >> well, they're saying first of all there are several things going on at the same time. the iran nuclear deal, the settlement of a long-standing dispute with iran that dealt with purpose of military equipment back in the 1980s when we severed before and the release of the americans who were being held. and the white house was saying that all of these things were happening at the same time and it's a coincidence, a coincidence that the $400 million, which was the tribe unial dispute was paid to. iran at the same time that the american prisoners were released. that's their argument, and they're sticking to it. they made this back in january and it's now a opponents of the iranian nuclear deal who are trying to revive this situation and to try and again criticize the deal.

here's what josh ernest had to say a few moments ago. >> the facts are quite clear, and again it's an indication of just how badly opponents of the iran deal are struggling to justify their opposition to a successful deal that has prevented and continues to prevent iran from developing a nuclear weapon. >> was this money ransom for the folks released? >> no, it was not. this all came to a head at the same time. because we are addressing and resolving long standing concerns with iranian behavior. >> reporter: so again, a lot of money changing hands at the same moment, but the administration is still not revealing the extent of this transaction, what the tribunal settlement. the 400 million has gone to iran. they wouldn't answer questions whether 1.3 billion on that

front. and not about the sanctions relief that iran received overall since the deal was initiated back in january. so, again, the administration trying to answer questions about this and dance around some of the details, but sticking to their basic story that they say that there was not a ransom paid to free those americans back in january. >> obviously hot button issue on the campaign trail as well with republican slamming the white house for that deal. and secretary clinton as well. ron allen, thank you for that great reporting from the white house. and coming up next, olympic competition kicks off today in rio. just two days before the opening ceremonies. we'll head to brazil next on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. in fifteen hundred m, you'll see what you're really made of. after five hours of spinning and one unfortunate ride on the gravitron, your grandkids spot a 6 foot banana that you need to win. in that moment, you'll be happy you partnered with a humana care manager and got your health back on track. because that banana isn't coming home with you until that bell sings.

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able to kind of relieve your country into the village. it's a huge honor. >> that is, of course, the great michael phelps, the most deck rated of olympian of all time on the "today" show speaking that he's been chosen to carry the u.s. flag for the opening ceremony. peter alexander is in rio with more. >> reporter: good day to you, the big news that you've just highlighted the fact that michael phelps will carry the flag through during the opening ceremony. he's going to head up a delegation of 555 american athletes. phelps when he first competed in the games, of course now the most decorated olympian ever say the goal was to make the team in sydney. in athens he wanted to win gold, in beijing, he wanted to do something else and in london he said the goal was to make history. well this time around, just this morning, michael phelps was saying he wants to take it all

in. he's going to have a good view from the front of the u.s. delegation a couple of days from now. the competition is under way. women's soccer gets going today. the u.s. team now looking to win it's fourth consecutive olympic gold, we'll face off against new zealand this evening. and while president obama and joe biden won't be making the trip down to brazil, it's the secretary of state john kerry who will be leading the u.s. delegation, putting this tweet out within the last 24 hours. a picture of kerry on a tarmac kicking a soccer ball around, the secretary of state saying practicing, just in case. kristin. >> and i know you will be watching as we all will be. peter, thank you. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports," remember to follow the show online on facebook and on twitter. my colleague and friend, chris jansing picks it up next. we wish we had news to talk about today. >> the thank you. right now on nbc live, the trump campaign may only have

days to right it's ship. sources speaking with cnbc say it's almost suicidal. more sources tell msnbc that reince priebus is of a proplek tick. the panic inside the top ranks of the republican party after trump spoke to the "washington post" and refused to endorse paul ryan or senator john mccain in their primaries. republicans are standing support in support of their leader. scott walker tweeted last hour, we stand with paul ryan. this comes in the wake of multiple controversies involving trump's insend area remarks to the parents of a slain u.s. soldier, his flippant remarks and the sexual assault and much more. paul manafort pushed back against the idea that he