get back to the olympics. i'm kate snow here in new york this hour. a new conservative alternative to challenge donald trump? nbc news has learned that 40-year-old former cia agent, former goldman sachs employee, evan mcmullin, is planning to launch an independent run for president. key players are backing mcmullin who has never held elective office. several state deadlines to file for an independent run have long past. political editor, mark murray, digging into this, joins me now. mark, when we checked earlier this morning, evan mcmullin had 125 twitter followers, not exactly a household republican name. >> reporter: here's the good news. now up to 2,500, according to the check i had recently before going on air. this is one of the difficulties for running for president, as an independent. not only do you not have the name i.d., but it costs a tremendous amount of money to get on the ballot.

and according to our count, 26 states have already had deadlines that have come and past, where mcmullin won't be able to be on the ballot. now, it is possible he is able to sue in courts, to be able to get on a ballot that way. but just mounting a presidential bid as an independent is incredibly hard, one of the reasons why michael bloomberg, former new york city mayor said he would have to decide by march of this year earlier if he wanted to do it and have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars, just because of the undertaking that is very difficult. >> and the national review writer, we remember back to this, mark, david french, another conservative who thought about maybe running as an independent, that didn't work out so well, because he didn't have a public profile. do you expect the same kind of questions to come up here? >> absolutely. but there is one logic behind having this candidacy by evan mcmuscle lynn and the never trump crowd. here is the logic of how

mcmullin candidacy would work. a native of utah. for example, if he's able to get 5 or 7% of the vote in utah, along with gary johnson, libertarian nominee also being able to take away a certain percentage from donald trump, you could have hillary clinton winning utah, robbing republicans of the electoral votes and making it difficult for him to get the 270 electoral votes. so mcmillin might make sense. but other than that, kate, i'm not sure this makes sense to somebody who is -- we're going to be talking about three months from now, somebody who is a serious player in the race for the president. >> it could trim away some votes from donald trump, couldn't it? >> yeah, exactly. i think that is where in a place like utah and maybe another state here or there, and the more you end up having those votes trimmed away for republicans is bad news for donald trump. maybe also good news for republicans on the down ballot. you just have more republicans who end up voting for multiple republican candidates, maybe to

be able to boost some down ballot republicans. >> nbc's senior political editor, mark murray with us this morning. thanks so much. today donald trump heads to detroit to give a major policy speech. donald trump expected to lay out his economic plans, which include a new tax deduction for child care payments. a campaign hoping to get back on track after a rocky week of bad headlines, plummeting poll numbers. let's bring in nbc's katy tur in detroit ahead of the speech. kate, talk about how they're trying to change the conversation today. >> yeah, the trump campaign trying to reset once again, trying to get back on message and trying to make the past week, which some called horrendous, to be in the past. keep it in the past, so they can move forward. so he's having a policy speech about economics today, about the economy here in detroit. and is expected to hit on a few topics. trade reform, getting rid of tpp, as he said in the past. renegotiating nafta. also, tax reform, and that child care deduction from income taxes that you just mentioned.

sounds good on the surface, but there are already folks who say in reality it would help the wealthy more than the poorer folks who are not necessarily paying income taxes. also, regulatory reform. he's expected to call for a cease in all new regulations until more jobs can be created. that seems to be directed mostly at the moment at the epa and regulations coming out of that agency. but it's been a bad week for him. he's trying to reset, and whether he can change the subject, that remains to be seen. today general barry mccaffrey came out saying donald trump was an abusive braggart. the "new york post" long-time supporter of donald trump came out yesterday saying she was not going to support him after these controversies. and to put it in perspective, the american psychiatric association had to come out with a warning over the weekend banning psychiatrist from trying to diagnose trump from afar

because so many people saying he was mentally unstable in some way. so the task of getting over the hurdle is going to be difficult for the trump campaign. but, again, this is a candidate who has defied all political gravity, and if anybody can do it three months into the election, donald trump has proven time and time again he can overcome expectations. >> and katie, over the weekend, there was a little bit of good news. george p. bush, son of jeb bush, said it is time to rally around donald trump. his quote from team bush, it's a bitter pill to swallow, but you know what, you get ban up and h help the man that won and make sure we stop hillary clinton. that's a step even his own father hasn't taken at this point. that's some good news. >> it's jeb bush's son, and the first bush in the plan to come out and say that they are going to try to support the republican nominee, support donald trump, again calling it a bitter pill, as you said. that is the first step in the direction of trying to get behind him in order to make sure

that he wins in the fall. this is an issue that's larger than donald trump. this is a gop issue on the whole. the down ballast candidates are the ones that stand to suffer if donald trump keeps dropping in the polls. there is considerable worry right now among the gop about the fate of this senate and the house come november. in order for them to keep those candidates strong and keep them in a good position and keep those majorities in congress, the gop is realizing they need to try and find a way to bolster the top of the ticket, regardless of whether or not they agree with him on everything at the moment. >> katy tur, following the trump campaign as ever. thanks so much. we'll see you in a bit. trump's speech on the economy comes just days after he announced his team of economic advisers, made up of 13 men with what donald trump called, quote, unparalleled experience and success in business. most of them work in banking, business and hedge funds. six of them are named "steve,"

by the way. only one an academic economist, peter navarro, at the university of california irvine. joins me now. nice to see you, peter. thank you for being with us. >> what a great intro. >> well, it's all true. >> just beat him into the ground on a day, by the way, which he's announcing a huge economic revolution. >> well, that was going to be my first question to you. >> yes, we're going to focus. >> it's been hard to figure out donald trump's exact approach to tax policy. i want to ask you about that. in april, he told savannah guthrie he believed in raising taxes on the wealthy, including himself. but the day after that, he seemed to suggest maybe he might not raise taxes on all the wealthy. where does that stand? what will he announce today? >> he's going to announce a plan which is designed to double our gdp growth rate, get it back to historic norms and there be

create millions of jobs, trillions in tax revenue and get this country back on track. and he does hit four points of the compass, taxes, as you said, trade, as well. energy and regulation. and there's a very sharp divide between the clinton policies on those things and the trump policy. and let me just kind of lay some of this stuff out. on taxes, what hillary has proposed is a $1.3 trillion tax increase, primarily on the rich what donald trump wants to do is basically have a tax cut for everybody, most importantly, what shows the connection to trade, he's going to cut the corporate tax down, not to help multirich corporations, but rather to make those corporations start building their facilities in if places like michigan rather than in mexico. >> tax cuts on everybody -- >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say, tax cuts on everybody means the very wealthy do get a tax cut, as well, right? just to be clear. >> right. but there will be -- the rich will pay their fair share.

there's no question about that. but let's focus on how we balance oh our budget over time. everybody focuses on tax cuts, spending increases, all of that. the best way really to get america back on track is to double our growth rate. if we do that, we have lots of tax revenues to offset any tax cuts, and we have what we need, essentially, to pay for our military, to pay for our social security, to pay for our infrastructure. we have seen how obama and clpt do it. we have eight years of that. it's the keynesian fiscal and monetary stimulus. it doesn't work. we have the slowest recovery since 1948. barack obama has doubled the government debt from 10 to $20 trillion in our balance sheet at the federal reserve is a mess. >> let me jump in. >> sure. >> let me ask you about the specifics of balancing the budget. a mccain policy adviser, now president of the american action forum, a conservative think tank, former director of the

congressional budget office, he says your plan loses too much revenue to even be considered. and lacks the cohesion of a genuine tax reform. essentially, he and others are saying you can't pay for all the tax cuts that you're trying to make. >> see, here's the problem with the conventional beltway politicians and also journalists. they look at these things as policy silos, tax policy independent of trade policy, independent of energy policy, independent of regulatory policy. they're all synergistic. and when you have them all working on all cylinders, to use a detroit phrase, we're going to double our gdp growth rate. >> how do you that? >> you go through each of the plans. in terms of trade, we crack down on the cheaters. we have fair trade deals. of and the trump trade doctrine there is pretty clear. we're not going to do any new deal and we're going to renegotiate old deals to meet these criteria.

it's got to increase our gdp growth rate, cut our deficit, strengthen our manufacturing base. trump will do that. on the tax policy, things like cutting the corporate will bring our corporations like ford and gm, which are now putting all their new production in mexico, back to michigan. regulatory policy. i mean, barack obama in eight years passed 400 new regulations at a cost of $100 million or more each. trump is going to put a moratorium on any new regulations, review all the ones we have, and lower a burden, which is $2 trillion right now on the american economy. and energy. look, hillary clinton said right out she wants to kill the cola industry. energy is one of the great strengths of this country. we are an energy powerhouse. donald trump will unleash that. so when you put those four things together, you have an economic engine, which propels us forward, which provides jobs. >> right. so you're counting on the growth

numbers. right. we're just running out of time. >> the mission is to double the growth rate, through policies that deal with these four points of the compass. and that will get done, donald trump will do it. >> but how do you, for example, force companies to come back from, as you just mentioned, from mexico? how do you just renegotiate trade deals and then get all those corporations -- i mean, among them, trump industries, to come back to the u.s.? >> sure. when i was in cleveland listening to trump's speech, he said it. who knows better how to unrig a game that he's had to be forced to play in? it's not about forcing gm and ford to do things. it's giving them the appropriate incentives to make their profits in michigan rather than mexico. look, the wto, the world trade organization, sets up this screwy rule where you can rebate back taxes, which mexico has when you export stuff to america. but you can't rebate income

taxes when you export stuff from america to mexico. so we have a $52 billion trade deficit in vehicles with mexico. so trump, smart enough to understand these kinds of things. whereas hillary clinton, the one who negotiated nafta -- >> i understand there. but how do you get mexico as president of the united states to change its laws to make things more -- >> i refer you to the pittsburgh speech last month when donald trump laid out his seven-point plan, one of which was to abrogate the nafta treaty if mexico refused to renegotiate and that is within executive power. it's pretty damn simple. you just do it. look, countries around the world are taking advantage of uncle sucker here. those countries know it, donald trump knows it. what my view is, if we have somebody in the white house who understands this, sets down clear principles, these countries will want to be here, because this is the biggest

consumer market in the world. but they'll do it on donald trump's terms, on america's terms. not on hillary clinton's terms, which is to give away the store. >> let me quickly ask you about the makeup of the team. i mentioned it for a reason coming in. >> we're coming back to that. >> i think it's interesting. >> it's astory -- kind of unfair. >> why is it unfair to say who is on the team? >> let me say this. >> wait, wait, wait. here's the question. >> go ahead. >> here's the question. of the team, you're the only professor. politico says you've got five of your fellow advisers who are major donors to the trump campaign. a lot of them have a lot of business experience and professional experience. but they're not peopleike you. they're not professors and people who study economic policy. do you think businessmen have a better handle on economic policy? >>. >> i think everybody on that team brings something really important to the table. let's take dan da mikko, nucore steel. i talk about trade from an academic and research point of view.

but dan has been at the front lines running his steel company, having to fight china, donald trumping millions of tons of steel into this country. we converge, yeah. we need defensive tariffs against china if they keep cheating. so that kind of thing. if you have the best minds in finance, who better to help balance the budget and get the economy going? and what we don't have on that team, we don't have ceos from the multinational corporations that have been offshoring our production to places like china and mexico and lobbying bill and hillary clinton and barack obama, giving them a bunch of campaign contributions to let them export our jobs. nobody on our team is of that ilk. we've got smart people going against a hillary clinton team, as much a beltway bureaucrats known for negotiating bad trade deals. and you know who american workers would rather have on their side. >> peter navorro, trump economic adviser, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. donald trump's speech at the

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donald trump's a leader. he was uniting the party. and we need to have donald trump prevent a third barack obama term. which, by the way, paul ryan will rubber stamp to ship our jobs overseas and take money off -- take money and food off the table of american workers. >> paul ryan has attacked you for being, quote, one of those out of state campaigns, and making it up as you went along. that's what he said. over the weekend, you went right back at paul ryan. i want to play some sound of what you said about him, being out of touch. >> paul ryan is the head of the snake. he represents everything that's wrong with washington and politics and the media. never before in our history has a representative been so out of touch with the people. >> but the speaker of your house, the wisconsin state house, has said that wisconsin's not a trump republican place, it's a ryan republican place. everybody loves paul ryan. how are you going to defeat that tomorrow? >> you know, the wisconsin gop

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you're right. a lot of republicans pouncing former new york mayor rudy guiliani using that term, "short-circuited," against her. donald trump also using the term "short-circuited" to say what will happen if she's commander in chief, will she short-circuit. clinton pushing back hard, one senior administration breaking it down this way. secretary clinton making two key points. one, that fbi director james comey was saying that her testimony was truthful to the fbi. that is something that he did say during testimony. and number two, that she never sent or received anything that was marked as classified. the argument the clinton campaign is making, that is consistent with james comey's testimony, because he said that the three e-mails that were sent that were marked classified were improperly marked. in other words, it wasn't very clear that those e-mails were actually marked as classified. secretary clinton seems to be turning the page a little bit on the trustworthy broader issue here, kate. of course, that is what is at

the root of this e-mail controversy. if you look at a new abc news "washington post" poll, 46% of voters now say they find secretary clinton more truthful than donald trump. 43% of registered voters saying they find donald trump more trustworthy. this is significant and continues to be for secretary clinton, even though she is leading in the polls. so the goal of the clinton campaign's part, this week, is to turn the painfge. she is going to be talking about jobs and the economy here in florida. she is going to be prebutting donald trump's economic speech. she will point to studies that show his economic policy could actually cost millions of american jobs. and also benefit and lower taxes for wealthy americans in big corporations, kate. >> kristen welker down in florida. thank you so much. and donald trump has just arrived in detroit for that economic policy speech, just getting new pictures in of that arrival there. over the weekend, as kristen mentioned, he slammed hillary clinton's short-circuited

remarks, telling a crowd of supporters in new hampshire, that clinton is unfit for the presidency. >> it was in front of some friendly reporters, asked her a very easy question and is she short-circuited. she used the term, "short-circuited." she took a short-circuit in the brain and she's got problems. i mean, if we had real people, this would be a real problem for he but i think that the people of this country don't want somebody that's going to short-circuit up here. >> joining me now, former vermont governor, msnbc contributor, howard dean joins us. governor, donald trump zeroing in on the use of that term friday when she said "short-circuited." why is she struggling to answer these questions about her e-mail? >> she's -- i don't think she is struggling. she's answered them 9,000 times. what you have is an organized hit group led by rudy guiliani

and donald couldn't resist getting into this who want to change the subject. >> it's a simple answer, with all due respect. it hasn't just been a simple -- >> of course, it's not a simple answer. how can it be a simple answer? it's an incredibly complicated problem. what more do you want? the director of the fbi said she was truthful and there were no classified e-mails. what more do you want? >> she was truthful in her testimony to the fbi, in answering those questions. >> yeah, well -- yeah. what more do you want? what more do you want? >> well, i think republicans found that very point to be an overcharacterization. >> of course they did. we're in the middle of a presidential campaign. the republicans have nothing to talk about. donald trump has had one of the worst two-week periods i have ever seen any candidate in either party have, running for office. of course they're going to go back to the only thing they can talk about. trump has no program, he's totally unfit for office. this is all they've got. this is all they've got. so they're going to come back to it again and again and again. even though the fbi said that

hillary clinton was truthful and there were no classified e-mails. what more do you want? >> but they think it race natures, i think, because of the numbers. you looks at the polls, 38 of registered voters saying hillary clinton is honest and trustworthy. 59% say no, she's not. do you acknowledge that's kind of a hole she's got to dig out of, or is that okay she keeps those numbers through november and still wins. >> that is the only thing the republicans are going to bore in on. the reason the numbers are the way they are, that's all the republicans talk about. and frankly, you all take them seriously, which now that she's been cleared by the fbi, over the two things that were really serious, i don't know why you even take any -- bother with these people when they talk about this kind of stuff. this is craziness. let's talk about economics. i can't wait to see economic -- trump's economics plan, which cuts taxes for billionaires, and doesn't do anything for working people. i can't wait to see what trump's defense policy is. i can't wait to see how he

excuses his campaign chief, taking money from -- through the ukraine through vladimir putin. those are the kinds of issues national security, jobs, that's what the american people are interested in. i don't think they're interested in this trumped up e-mail stuff any more. >> in terms of strategy, hillary clinton pulled ad money out of colorado and virginia last week, and i know you're a guy who looks at 50-state strategies. was that a smart move, do you think? is that overconfident in any way? >> no. this is the kind of asset allocation you make. we could well go back into virginia and colorado and other places. obviously, spending your money where it's going to do the most good is what you have to do. those right now are staged if the election were held today, hillary clinton would win overwhelmingly. so -- ad money is irrelevant. what you don't want to do is short-circuit the ground game and hillary is not doing that. she has offices all over the place and will continue to have offices in all of these places. >> governor howard dean, great

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nbc's mccoy is out at the park at kansas city, kansas. blake, this is just heart breaking for parents everywhere. what are officials saying about what happened. >> reporter: details, kate, right now, very thin. we know the park is closed while an investigation takes place. we still don't know exactly what went wrong on this ride, causing the death of that 10-year-old buy. you can see the ride behind me, the name means insane in german. 17 stories tall. riders go down in rafts at a speed of 65 miles per hour. now while we don't know what went wrong with this ride yesterday, causing that boy's death, we can tell you that when this ride opened two years ago, there were safety concerns then u during some of the testing, slides actually -- rafts left the slide, creating concerns. so there were some adjustments made to the ride before it opened, including adding seat belt-like straps for riders, and also adding a netting over certain portions of that slide. now the little boy who died, his

name is caleb schwab, 10 years old, his father a state representative here in kansas. his family says since the day he was born, he brought abundant joy to our family and all those he came in contact with. they say they are comforted knowing he is with their savior, jesus, and they will one day be connected with him. this park does remain closed. as far as inspections of the park, we're told the state is it not actually inspect rides here in kansas. the water park here brings in a third party to review the ride at the beginning of summer, and then their own workers expected it every morning, kate. so we'll have to wait and see what exactly went wrong and there were any signs that would have alerted them to what happened here. >> yeah, and our hearts just go out to that family. blake mccoy thank you so much. now to that story that we have been covering for you all morning. chaos for tens of thousands of travellers at airports around the world for up to about six hours today, all delta airline flights were grounded. thanks to them -- according to them, it was because of a power

outage in atlanta that caused a global computer failure. check-in systems, airport screens, the company's website, its app, all affected by that meltdown. nbc's gabe gutierrez joins me from atlanta's hartsfield jackson airport. gabe, is it getting any better? >> reporter: hi, kate, good morning. yes, it is getting better, although delta says it's cancelled 300 flights so far. you can see behind me, the big board here, atlanta hartsfield, one cancellation there from baltimore, a few others scattered around. one from dayton, ohio. and the lines so far have been getting better throughout the morning. you can still see now there has been a bit of a ripple effect, some cancellations and delays. some passengers are here, waiting to get rebooked. i'm here with lleyton, just talking a few minutes ago, sir. your flight has been delayed? >> yep, but a couple hours now. >> reporter: where are you heading? >> dfw. >> reporter: so overall, you were telling me your mobile -- boarding pass hasn't been working, it's been a little bit

of a hassle with that? >> yeah, it doesn't update. just gives original information and says your flight is delayed. >> reporter: many passengers taking this in stride. your flight has been cancelled? heading l.a.x., right? >> to los angeles. >> reporter: how long have you been here? >> i just got here, tried to check in curbside and the boarding pass, there is a mix up so i've got to be rebooked on the next one. >> reporter: good luck, sir. we appreciate it. kate, as you mentioned, this started around 2:30 in morning, a power outage here in atlanta. 300 flights cancelled so far. what delta has been doing, there are travel waivers for anybody who needs to rebook over the next couple days because of this. as is normally the case during these types of situations, a huge ripple effect right now. we have seen this really affecting other parts of the world in london, passengers had to be brought off their plane there. we have some ariel pictures from that. and also many delays in pittsburgh, dallas and l.a.x. so it will be a while before this clears up throughout the

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responsibility for this attack. but obviously, a spike in attacks and i feel like we talk about attacks every week here on msnbc. what's behind these spikes? >> you have to go back to the islamic state. they have been calling for attacks in the west since at least 2014. what's happened is, they have gotten much better at both sending fighters overseas who can carry out directed attacks, and inciting locals, either locals who are already in extremist groups or lone wolf types like omar mateen, to carry these things out. >> you wrote an article last we week, and you spoke to, among other people, a former islamic state fighter from germany, and you write the following. he said to you, for america and canada, it's much easier for them to get them over the social network, because they say the americans are dumb. they have open gun policies. is this a former fighter telling you this. extrapolate on that for us. what does he mean?

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♪ it is day three of the olympics and the men's u.s. basketball team is in action today with a game against venezuela. kerry walsh jennings and april ross return to the beach for beach volleyball in rio. and in swimming, 18-year-old katie ledecky won her first individual gold of 2016 with a world record in the 400-meter freestyle. >> i just focus on how i'm feeling, personally, and what the race play out as it will. and i just focus on what i want

to accomplish. >> nbc's chris jansing is down in rio. she joins us now with all of the highlights. chris, i am so jealous of you right now. let's talk swimming first. michael phelps, obviously, the big name. did well last night, no surprise. but you have been talking to a maryland swimmer who might well be the future of this sport. >> reporter: yeah. his name is jays kalish, the proteg protege of michael phelps. can we talk about michael phelps for a minute? 19th gold medal. so michael phelps continuing to build on his reputation as the greatest swimmer of all-time. this guy he considers to be his little brother, goes into the most grueling event of all of swimming. and what does he do, are wins silver in his first olympics. we had i a little conversation. here's what he told me. this is a sport, a discipline dominated by michael phelps and ryan lochte.

this has been their 400 meters. how did you take it over? >> i think they kind of got tired of it. i mean, those two are -- >> reporter: that's modest. >> yeah, those two are the t best swimmers that the world has ever seen. and they both have the two fastest times. so for me to be able to be in a position i'm in, i'm very grateful. >> reporter: chase is going to be back to georgia, but not so, katie ledecky who didn't just beat her own world record, annihilated it. she's back in the pool today, michael phelps back in the pool today. first one for missy franklin. we have a screen that can show all the biggest events happening today. diving taking place. men's synchronized platform. men's gymnastics, the team final happening, women's rugby, men's basketball, women's beach volleyball. and can we talk about this new jersey fencer, the first person

ever to wear a hijab, and she wins. this new jersey person going on to be in the round of 16. her name is ibtihaj muhammad. and she won her match pretty handily. meantime, gymnastics. there's so much talk about in the united states, you know, disunity. but a north korean and south korean gymnast took a selfie, and just kind of shows you for all the controversy that surrounds everything, you can have a really nice moment. >> yeah. i love that. >> reporter: more than -- and more than a nice moment. did you watch the women's gymnastics last night, kate? did you stay up? >> i didn't -- no, i did not stay up late enough, because i had to get up really early this morning. but fill us in for those of us who missed it. >> reporter: okay. so you've got to watch tomorrow. that's going to be the finals. but they say this may well be the best gymnastics team of all-time. they showed it last night.

the women came in 1, 2, 3. simone biles is like from some other planet. the stuff she does, the men can't do. she is something to see. there is ally raisman from the fierce five, came in second. the defending all-around champion, gabby douglas, virtually flawless. and she came in third. but because of this rule that as an american, i'm personally against, you can only have two people from any one country in the finals of the all-around. so she will not make the finals in the all-around. she will be in the uneven parallel bars. the u.s. virtually swept and so tomorrow night for them the finals is going to really be something to see. worth taking a nap in the afternoon and getting up and watching. >> i think that will be my plan today, absolutely, chris. thanks so much for all of the updates. appreciate it. chris jansing live in rio. and guess what, in three minutes from now, we are going back to rio.

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