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we'll have a lot more olympic action from rio here on msnbc starting tomorrow at noon eastern. go, team usa! "with all due respect" with mark halperin and john heilemann starts right now. i'm donny deutch. >> i'm mark halperin. with all due respect to donald j. donald trutrump, there's a n town. on our show tonight, donny. the donald and detroit. another week has kicked off today with yet another new national poll showing donald trump well behind hillary clinton. this time clinton leads 46% to 34% in a new monmouth university survey. just the latest aftershock of what even team trump says is one of the worst stretches of his campaign to date.
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it's also why republican nominee made an economic policy speech today in the go-to locale for economic policy speeches, motor city, usa. during an address hosted by the fabled detroit economic club, trump framed the ideas of his democratic opponent as outdated and called president obama's administration a quote, lead weight on the american economy. >> the city of detroit is where our story begins. every policy that has failed this city and so many others is a policy supported by hillary clinton. she is the candidate of the past. ours is the campaign of the future. american workers have paid taxes their whole lives and they should not be taxed again at death. it's just plain wrong. and most people agree with that. we're reducing your taxes from 35% to 15%. i am going to cut regulations
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massively. a trump administration will end this war on the american worker, and unleash an energy revolution that will bring vast new wealth to our country. we will make america grow again. >> so among trump's small deposit proposals, a moratorium on financial regulations, lowering the tax rate to 15%, a simplification of the personal income tax code going from seven brackets to three and a repeal of the so-called death or estate tax. trump also argued against environmental regulations. donny, was trump's speech today good policy, was it good politics for where he currently stands? >> let's frame the economy in this election. i worked on the clinton campaign doing ads in '92. of course, the poster it's the economy, stupid. when the economy is completely tanking or in 2000 when it's
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tanking, it is the economy, stupid. in this case, very blurry mixed signals. on the one hand you get gdp growing at 1% and jobs numbers, great jobs numbers and 4.9% unemployment rate. you have 75% of the people think this country is going the wrong direction. 54% in the same survey say they are optimistic about the future. i think for both candidates it's very easy to spin the economy different ways. as far as what trump did today, i actually think he played into hillary's hand. when you take the estate tax which is for rich people, when you take 35% down to 15% which he will spin is going to create more jobs but hillary can say he's in bed with big business, that's all he cares about, and even as we get into some of the other exemptions such as the child care thing, actually benefits upper middle class people. and the big one to me, all he's been talking about is hillary and wall street in bed together. and what does he say? i'm going to put a moratorium on any regulations and obviously implied in that is financial regulations. if i'm hillary and i'm going up on thursday to talk about
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trump-onomics, she's in an easy position to defend the direction we are going in and defend a lot of the things she will be doing. >> no question that he opened a lot of doors although republicans have been opening those doors for democrats since president reagan and democrats don't always win that fight. it takes an articulate democrat to win them and she's noteen the best arguer. i think he sounded in some ways, we will talk about the ways he was not an orthodox republican, he sounded in a lot of ways the provisions we just talked about like an orthodox republican. he needs that. he needs a higher percentage of the republican party than is supporting him now to support him. he also presented himself as a guy with some sense of a unified republican vision of the economy. plenty of holes in it. plenty for the democrats to shoot at. but more than he really ever has in this campaign since the general election started, at least, he said here's a coherent set of ideas he hopes republicans can get on board with. >> i still think this election will be are we more fearful of trump and change or more fearful
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of the economy. each are equal in the polls as far as how to handle the economy. >> he needs to be ahead on the economy if he's going to win. it has to be a strong issue for him. her record on the economy, she moved largely to the left during this campaign. i think there's an opening there. i don't think he seized it today. he has to do a lot more on this issue to make it a positive. but better than he's ever done i think in talking about the economy. >> once again, walking and chewing gum at the same time. we fight about that. donald trump's economic speech today didn't always toe the republican line. the gop nominee proposed that families should be able to deduct child care from their taxes and he continues to pull hillary clinton to the left on infrastructure spending, trade policy and closing interest loopholes on wall street. the clinton campaign put out a p prebuttal this morning. >> we will give super-big tax breaks to large corporations and the really wealthy, just like him and the guys who wrote the speech, right?
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he wants to basically just repackage trickle-down economics. i got to tell you, people, this is going to be a very important next three months. we've got work to do. and don't be fooled. there is no other donald trump. what you see is what you get. >> mark, how vulnerable is she on the economy and how much is him moving some of the issues to the left does she start to get flanked in? >> no question while the child care thing might sound good, the clinton campaign will make the case that it really does benefit disproportionately wealthier people. she's vulnerable on the economy because as you point out, some people at least don't like the way things are going, and he's got a more populist change oriented stance on the economy. even though a lot of the things he's arguing for are just as much status quo as the things she's arguing for and a lot of them are tired republican ideas as she's got tired democratic ideas. she's vulnerable to someone who says i have a sense of what
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working class people need. so it's more the atmospherics than the particular proposals but by adding things in there that are against republican orthodoxy he's at least doing something that suggests change. i keep asking all the clinton people tell me an area, one position she has that's against democratic party orthodoxy like her husband had, like george bush had, like barack obama has, they can't name one. >> because she got pulled to the left. she had a guy named bernie sanders chasing her. >> you don't win election os the right or the left. >> you win elections by laying as low as you can and scaring people that you don't want the guy with the nuclear codes. i say none of this stuff will matter. it will be a referendum on his temperament. >> nothing to do with he's got better ideas on the economy? >> we can get ten economists on each side to argue both. they are not dramatically different. >> why is that different than any other election? >> that's my point. in a simple election, when bill clinton was running in '92 he had a very simple message. i will tax people who make over $200,000 a year and universal health care.
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it was very simple. if you go to the average person and say companies' tax rate is going from 35% to 15% and you go to the average joe, i don't know if they will be able to disseminate what that means. we sit here at wonks. my point is there's blurry enough news in the economy in general and both programs you can pick apart on beth sides. i think it will come back to the temperament issue. >> a lot of what he proposed today, george bush could have been for. he gives them a chance to move ahead on the economy. not sure he will. all right. the tone and substance of what trump said today was just the latest signal he's trying to mend relations with his party's leaders and quell doubts and anxieties on the part of different party donors. during his remarks this morning, he alied himself with the house republicans on their tax plan just days after he finally came around to endorsing paul ryan, the speaker of the house. in an interview with "the washington post" the speaker still expressed some concerns about the down ballot races this
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year, though he was unwilling to frame his election year policy agenda as a way to detach congressional candidates from their presidential nominee. he seemed to go out of his way to avoid escalating the feud with trump. trump has now been on script for about 72 hours. how is the unity project which his campaign does care about, going? >> it's interesting on script. doesn't he look so uncomfortable on script? it's like he wants to rip up that script. it's not where he excels. look, they are necessary bedfellows. we can talk about at some point they bail out down ticket we say you want check and billion alan the senate against this democratic president. 80% of all toss-up senate elections in the last 12 years have gone to the presidential winner. so these senators across the board, we all know congressional issues are different, they are going to -- there's going to be a detente and it's moving that direction. typical republican platform as far as the economy. little bit of bridge across on
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the ryan issues. we all know at any moment it can blow. >> in the end if he's doing poorly after the first debate you may see more separation. today was a big step. i said weeks ago as paul ryan began unveiling these policy proposals this is ideal for trump. trump has no policy proposals. he barely has a policy team. why not just adopt the house republican proposals, run as a unity ticket and stand in harness on policy. did it today on taxes. i wouldn't be surprised if he does it on other issues like regulation, even penal reform and welfare reform, where trump i think can be perfectly willing to accommodate himself to what ryan wants. >> just like when he put his hypothetical supreme court nominees out there. on the granular stuff, he's going to do the meat and potatoes republican stuff and we are seeing it already. >> all right. coming up, the anti-clinton versus anti-trump book publishing war and later, two
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if you have been watching any fox news lately, or listening to talk radio, you may have picked up on some repeating themes when it comes to coverage of trump and clinton. one is that the polling showing trump behind can't possibly be right. another is that the media's generally biased against trump. finally, a reminder that trump continues to draw very big crowds. here's what all that sounds and looks like. >> here's the left wing media doing the bidding of hillary sort of like an extension of her press office in trying to say oh, donald trump, an intervention is needed. >> you look at the media bias and you look at the republican versus democratic conventions. the networks gave the republican convention 12 times more negative coverage than the democratic convention.
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>> the mainstream liberal media refusing to acknowledge the large massive crowds that donald trump draws to his rallies, and the relatively modest crowds that hillary clinton draws. >> these are cwds you typically don't see until october and you are seeing them here now at the beginning of august. >> you see his rallies and they're big and he's slipping in the polls. i'm not so sure how accurate these polls are. >> it's no secret donald trump has been slipping in the polls this past week but are the media making too much of that? is the press going too far in saying in august donald trump is in real trouble? >> absolutely. >> so they are talking more about polls and media bias and crowd size than about trump's message. very similar what we heard at the end of the 2012 campaign from mitt romney and his supporters. is this kind of stuff preaching to the faithful largely, is it helpful or hurtful to trump's campaign? >> it's preaching to their audience which loves conspiracy theories. they are in a business. we are all in a business. they are talking to their audience. what they're saying is so
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ignorant and stupid, stupid for the candidate and stupid actually factually. believe it or not, statistically there have been more negative mentions of hillary clinton starting last year versus donald trump in all the media. that's number one. >> which statistic is that? >> the people for the -- absolutely. >> could be true. >> on tomorrow's show i will bring you that document. maybe there were more negative mentions of the republican convco conventico convention because it was horrible and depressing. >> is this general attitude a good idea? >> no. because you are basically painting him as a loser already. you are basically saying you are already giving excuses, already teeing it up that he's losing. it's good tv for their audience, bad politics. >> they are wasting time not talking about his message. yes, it brings up the base a little bit but it's so diluted, so unscientific, so unrigorous, so off the point of where -- of needing a comeback. trump needs a comeback. he needs a comeback.
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if he's going to win he has to come back and they're out there saying the polls are wrong because his crowds are bigger? >> which is basically all he used throughout the entire -- >> by the way, fox's own poll which they barely mentioned since the day it came out, as i have seen, has him ten behind. >> a poll which is representative of hundreds of millions of americans versus oh, if 10,000 people are coming out the polls must be wrong. that's just ignorance. one has nothing to do with the other. >> romney was sure he was going to win and fox and talk radio news loop is just, it's death to them. it is like a parallel universe in which trump is going to win and then the real universe happens. >> also, if you think about it, if you're fox talking to that audience, what else are you saying at this point? >> message. message. >> up until today, what was there to talk about? at this moment the top three non-fiction books are all about hillary clinton. not one of them is positive. the number of anti-trump books that have cracked the top 20 in the past few weeks is zero.
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interesting. when it comes to publishing industry, why is this counterintuitive in certain ways? why are clinton bashing books out there versus zero trump? >> i'm surprised an anti-trump book hasn't worked yet. there are some coming that will maybe catch on. number one, conservatives just buy more books. they dominate the bestseller lists generally. two, we got a democrat in the white house. still, to have three anti-clinton books atop the bestseller lists, kind of incredible disparity. >> i think there's another reason. the main one is conservatives buy more books like they listen to more talk radio. he's a private citizen, the mostly mostly litigious person in the united states. >> they're afraid to. i'm surprised there's not a comedy book. i'm talking about like a quotes, trump quotes, whatever. >> that's not the kind of book that's going to sell a million. >> go back to why do conservatives buy more books? because they are alienated by the liberal media? don't your liberal friends read
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books? >> my liberal friends read tweets from you and people like that. >> there are tweets about hillary, too. there's so much media about hillary. i agree in the old days, newspapers maybe were liberally biased and some conservatives might turn to books. now there's plenty of liberal stuff and conservative stuff. >> it is other than the litigious thing. >> we will break down more of donald trump's speech he gave in detroit earlier today. isaac hou has mastered gravity defying moves to amaze his audience. great show. here you go. now he's added a new routine. making depositing a check seem so effortless. easy to use chase technology, for whatever you're trying to master. isaac, are you ready? yeah. chase. so you can. sorry ma'am. no burning here. ugh. heartburn.
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breaking news. there's a lot of hate on twitter. as donald trump set out today to prove he can look more presidential, one of the most interesting things about his economic speech this morning was not just what he said, but what he didn't say, especially when he was frequently interrupted by hecklers. we counted at least 13 instances. take a look. >> it's all very well planned out. i will say the bernie sanders people had far more energy and spirit. i will say that.
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>> so donny, we already talked about the fact that you believe more strongly than i do that he's not good on prepared text. i think he's going to have to do it. he showed some restraint there. overall, how do you think he did in terms of just performance today? >> actually, he's not good when it's not him. as a guy, i know him personally. as a guy who actually speaks like he does, when i have to give a written speech i'm just not comfortable. >> he's getting better. they ad libbed it just enough. >> he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. the thing that got him here is the trump, is the guy going back at the hecklers. of course we know a lot of that will not work in a general election. having said that, you can't neuter the guy up there. if i was advising him, i would say actually like one of the comments he made, having some fun with it. don't go take them out and beat him up. to just stand there, it's not him. the answer is you can address the hecklers and have fun with
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it. just don't be dark about it. >> the three things he is, you have seen it in person, which he doesn't show enough and could have today more, gracious, funny and knowing. >> yes. >> and the hecklers would have been a perfect opportunity to do all three. >> that allows you to play the victim card and have fun with it. okay. when he did speak, trump hammered away at a message we expect him to repeat a lot in coming weeks, calling himself the change candidate and casting hillary clinton as a tired politician of the past. >> the other party has reached backwards into the past to choose a nominee from yesterday who offers only the rhetoric of yesterday and the policies of yesterday. there will be no change under hillary clinton, only four more years of weakness and president obama. but we are going to look boldly into the future. we will build the next generation of roads, bridges,
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railways, tunnels, seaports and airports. we are reliant on people that rigged this system in the past. we can't fix it if we're going to rely on those people again. only by changing to new leadership and new solutions will we get new and great results. >> all right, we have seen elections won on hope and change. it's an easy one. not as easy here when you have the president coming out with a 52% approval rating, as i talked a little at the beginning, the ambiguity of how good or bad things are. >> no doubt the recent statistics obama's approval rating and some of the economic statistics make the argument we need change even if it's risky change a lot tougher. compounded by the fact the clinton folks' main message is trump's risky, no good, you can't take a flyer, this guy can't be president. he has a tall order. he has to convince people i think that he's ready to bring about change that they will be
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happy about and that's hard right now. >> you know better than anyone the election is decided by suburban married women who are risk-averse and hillary will pound that and make it too scary. >> lot of them don't like her, though. finally, trump talked a lot today about the economy under the obama administration framing democratic policies as a reason for all of the country's current woes. >> the obama/clinton agenda of tax, spend and regulate has created a silent nation of jobless americans. this is a city controlled by democratic politicians at every level and unless we change policies, we will not change results. home ownership is at its lowest rate in 51 years. nearly 12 million people have been added to the food stamp and these people are growing and it's growing so rapidly since president obama took office.
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the obama/clinton administration has blocked and destroyed millions of jobs through their anti-energy regulations. hillary clinton's plan will require small business to pay as much as three times more in taxes than what i'm proposing. we can't let her win. because that will be a disaster for detroit and everybody else. >> even though things are better for some people, trump can't win the election if he can't convince people the obama/clinton policies -- he's got no choice. there's no backing out from that now. >> you watch him, it's interesting. you don't connect with him the same way when he's acting like a politician which he has to do now. that's why he's cornered. >> isn't there some middle ground? >> no. because the end of the day when you're talking politics and tax rates and jobs you sound like a politician. the difference is his eyes. he doesn't have that fire. he's not -- so that's why he's
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in a -- if i'm manager of his campaign, it's a very tough position because i even was tuning him out a little bit. where to me it's automatically lean out and you automatically lean out with hillary. >> trump is boring to people. you're right. to me the debates are the opportunity. if by the debates he can figure out a way to have an amalgamation of these two things, talking enough specifics so people think he has a handle on the job but talking about them like himself. >> the more -- hillary will get so granular and turn to him every step of the way and really ask him very deep policy questions, not just the top line stuff. i actually think ironically the debates play to hillary. >> all right. up next, we talk to the republican strategist, mike murphy, about donald trump. and more after this. cus on makig great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started. we're legalzoom and we've already partnered with over a million new business owners to do just that.
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from los angeles. so a lot of national polls showing trump way down. is your instinct that this is going to freeze in or is this just a democratic convention bounce and things will tighten back up? >> i think it's somewhere in the middle. i think he has so many structural problems with voters outside his core constituency of non-college white men that he's kind of checkmated though i expect the race will tighten a little. i don't expect him to get a lead again that's meaningful for any sustained eperiod of time. >> mike, it's donny. obviously today we saw him on good behavior but if you are running the hillary campaign, anywhere from that side of the aisle, you will continue to prick because you just know he's not going to stay on message this way. what would be your best strategy? nobody ever asked that question before. what would be your best prick strategies if you were going against him? >> he's a creature of the daily news cycle. he watches himself on tv and then reacts. so i would have surrogates all over him. i think they are doing a fairly good job of hurting him on the
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ready to be commander in chief. the other pillar they have to go after is economic manager and his flop today at the detroit economic club, a venue i know well from doing so many michigan campaigns over the years, shows that disconnect. he was doing the barrier import in japan schtick that went out of vogue in the '70s. the trade stuff fell flat. i would just be on offense from surrogates. i would try not to put the spotlight on hillary because she has so many weaknesses, they want to keep it a referendum on trump and let him keep wiggling on the hook. >> who are you voting for in this election? >> my current plan is, i'm not voting for trump. i can't. i love my country. but i may vote for a business guy who took over the republican nomination and was a far bigger patriot, wendell wilkey. i may write in jeb bush. >> any chance you vote for
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hillary? >> if it came down to just my vote and i had to decide, i probably would vote for hillary and jump in a lake. if i had to choose, yeah. >> our second question is do you hope trump wins or not? >> no. i think it would be horrible for the country. he's a demagogue and neo-racist. i hope he loses. he deserves to lose. >> last question, what do you think percent chance trump wins it right now? >> i think about 10%. take a huge black swan. >> agree. i'm always the dumbest guy in the room so it seems simple to me. you continue to hammer he's temperamentally unfit and scare the bejesus out of people, particularly women. i'm scared. that's a simple one. >> he's dug in a hole where to win, he needs either minority voters or college educated women to radically change what they think about him. he's a machine built to have the opposite effect. >> over the weekend, one of the things that caught everybody's eye was george p. bush elected office holder in texas, son of jeb, said he was going to vote
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for trump and urged people to support trump. the bush family normally puts family above everything. did that surprise you? >> well, george p.'s a good guy and he's a republican office holder in the largest republican state. i guess he feels a responsibility to support the party. i think most of the bushes i know will not pull the lever for donald trump. >> along those lines, you are working for jeb. if it was a do-over and you don't get a do-over in life or politics, you go back now and there's 16 of them, what could have, or is there nothing jeb could have done differently given the media juggernaut? >> we made an argument for reformed conservatism that was more positive and uplifting and half the primary voters wanted a grievance candidacy and found it in trump. without jeb fundamentally changing what he's for and i'm glad he didn't, it just wasn't a year for what we were selling to sell. i can think of a million little things we could have done better but in the big picture, anything that would have won, we needed a very different appetite in the
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primary voters. >> let me ask about one thing that was an issue at the time that we had discussed. i will take the opportunity now. people wanted you to spend the tens of millions you had in the bank early on and try to carpet bomb trump. looking back, might that have worked? >> well, the problem was the rubio campaign, the christie campaign, everybody seemed to agree that we should have taken on trump for their benefit. now, if i had a time machine i might have conveyed a meeting or convened a meeting with the other super pacs and said okay, kasich, okay, rubio, okay, christie, you guys each put in $2 million, i'll put in $6 million, i'll match all of you to go after trump. the problem is, our job to help jeb was to consolidate the regular republicans. so the polling would show if you were for trump you were never going to be for jeb bush so the idea that my thing was to go clobber trump early, to go elect ted cruz or somebody the nominee wasn't the job. finally i would say nobody other than jeb bush and lindsey graham
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really took on trump early. marco was in hiding, he still is. ted cruz was for him until he was against him. i make no apologies about how we handled trump though in hindsight i wished all the candidate had agreed to beat up trump. i would have been part of that. >> there's a lot of republicans very, very sad they miss their republican party. are they ever going to be able to get it back unless there's a trump -- a clinton landslide, if trump comes even close in the popular vote or even close in the electoral college, how do you ever get it back on track? >> well, i think if trump loses, there will be a stain on the party, it will be incumbent on us to erase it. but we have a lot of great governors, lot of great state reps, lot of great senators. we get another bite at the apple because we have a big franchise. the question is can we widen it and learn a lesson from trump that's exactly this kind of grievance campaign is the opposite of how we are going to win and change the country. >> so -- >> i think we will learn the lesson. >> this guy evan mcmullin, hill
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staffer, former cia, former goldman sachs got in the race as an independent. what's the best case scenario for that candidacy? >> i'm waiting to see if he gets a david french endorsement. >> that would be key. as french goes, so goes french. >> look, i think there will be, voters will spill into different places from the republican category. some will go to the libertarians. some may go to this guy. but all of this will diminish trump and i don't think will hurt her very much. >> what will be the variables besides fund-raising that will determine whether this guy makes an impact on the race? >> whether or not he can get any earned media or free media. whether or not the news machine decides to cover the guy because he won't have the resources to get a meaningful amount of votes. will he get a platform to make his pitch? >> we tried to get him on today and he refused. not that we're the world's biggest platform. i have not seen him on tv today. is it smart to announce, then not go out with a big public
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there was famous mythology talk for over 20 years about the epic hatfield/mccoy feud yet here he is brought together by one thing. the force that could break down all walls. the specter of the orange menace himself, donald trump, as president of the united states. i'm not out renting a tandem bicycle yet but it's good to put the feud behind us. >> that was republican strategist mike murphy talking about his long-time feud with his fellow republican strategist, stuart stevens, who he had as a guest today on his podcast called radio free gop, available on itunes. the two long-time republican consultants have been bitter rivals until recently but they have come together to face a new obstacle, donald j. trump. for the first time in tv history, they say, we are
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joined -- he's joined by his new chum, who worked as a senior strategist on many presidential campaigns including mitt romney's in 2012. stuart is in vermont. what do you and mike see the same regarding trump? >> well, i think it proves the age-old maxim that disgust conquers all. mike and i both have worked for candidates across the spectrum in the republican party and have worked for people we really care about and are proud of and to see donald trump as someone who is completely out of the mainstream of how we would like to define politics and specifically the republican party. >> stuart, in your wildest dream, and you have worked on some very very well known campaigns, could you ever imagine us here and beyond the fact that obviously people are bored with status quo, what
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happened? is it the republicans just took their eye off the ball and started to not get that the world is a populist world whether you're coming at it from the left or the right? what happened here? >> listen, i think you hit the nail on the head. the inability to imagine what might happen, that is that trump could win, i think helped trump win because there was sort of a consensus of which i certainly was part of. i'm the guy that wrote he would drop out before iowa because he was going to lose iowa. i was as wrong or more than anybody. i think that enabled him. it's like world war i, the guns of august, because you can't imagine this is going to happen. the next thing you know you're two years in. i think the party, there's a school of thought in the party that trump is the perfect candidate for. he's fulfilling all these cockamamie fantasies that if you yell at the media loud enough, you will beat the media. that we can win just with white
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votes. what i call the lost tribes of the amazon out there. just go up the river far enough, beat the drum loudly enough, they will come to the river bank and vote for you. it's almost like you had to test drive this to see that it was just completely nuts. >> what do you think of what brother stevens is saying? >> we totally agree on this. half the primary voters went off and had a lost weekend bender and now they have woken up next to mrs. godzilla and it's a disaster. he hit that chord of resentment politics where the incentives are often to do whatever to lose the election and we are paying the price. stuart and i have had our disagreements but we both feel so strongly about this we started chatting on the phone and now he very graciously did the radio free gop podcast and we have a similar diagnosis and agree a lot about what we have to do to clean up this mess after the election. >> i want to ask you both this
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question. clearly he hit a nerve but has something else happened here, that from here on in, we have been spoiled at home that we are going to want, demand, accept, embrace, any non-politician? george clooney starts to run. part of it, it has been so damn much fun to watch because he is not a politician. it's an entertainer. whether it's clooney, oprah win frid winfrey, is that now every election is open for business way beyond politicians? >> i worked with george clooney on k street. i also know donald trump a little bit. i think clooney's got about 75 iq points on trump and is a much more sensible grounded, sane human. i don't think so. i think you're going to find this is sort of a rejection of that and go back to an idea that governing is serious business. at least i hope so. >> i guess that's my point. if a candidate did come along that had the best of both
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worlds, had the q rating, the star appeal, the entertainment value and was an intelligent, literate, considered person, i think we have spoiled the populace and that will be something to contend with from here on in. mike? >> ronald reagan was an actor. >> exactly. >> i worked for arnold schwarzenegger. he was famous but he worked a lot to have viable policy plans and surround himself with great policy advisors because he took the governing side of things seriously. so yes, i think you will see more pop culture in politics, more what in the movie business we would call preaware titles, move into this space. but i think the voters after the trump thing are going to develop more of a filter where maybe a kardashian is not such a good idea but somebody who has done their homework like clooney on the left and gerary sinise on t right. >> i keep being confused and
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surprised by the fact you have some who say never trump, then you have whom who are lining up. we talked about george p. bush being for trump. do you expect a lot more people as we get close to november, office holders and advisors, to say i just can't be for trump and come public or not? >> i think that probably will happen. listen, i have tried to be very uncritical of anyone who disagrees with me about donald trump, in part no other reason than donald trump is so critical of anyone who does disagree with him. i think it's particularly important at this moment in our politics to allow for differences. i know a lot of well intentioned good people who support donald trump and think he would be a good president. i'm not with them. but this latest monmouth poll, trump is winning 5%, winning the white vote by 5%. romney won it by 29%. he's shrinking the party. in florida he's getting 12% of hispanic voters. romney got 40%.
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there's some reason to believe romney lost. we are headed in the wrong direction. we need to be expanding instead of shrinking. >> you both worked with mitt romney. real quick, if romney were the nominee, where would this race be? >> he would be ahead and winning. >> are you guys going to work together on anything? or is this a one-off? >> stay tuned for our musical. we are talking to broadway right now. >> it's going to be huge. >> stevens and murphy. guys, thank you very much. great to have you here. catch mike's podcast, radio free gop, on itunes. a look next at that new independent candidate. '
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nobody's around, it's quiet. edison with the long-lasting light bulb, then with bell with the telephone and ford with the model t, the wright brothers with airplanes. periscope and merekat, air bnb. the washing machine, the television, the integrated circuits, the personal computer. >> america gets to know him. that was just a short look at the man who could be your next president. who is he? that's evan mcmullin. until just recently the chief policy director for the house republican conference. he's now he says did running as an independent for president of the united states. he announced his cancandidacy, out a campaign logo, started a website and put out a statement. he's not done tv yet but he did pay a visit to the offices of the national review. our next guest was there. kind of part of history.
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joining us, ian tuttle. you were in the room with him and about how many other people? >> about a dozen. >> you never met him before? >> never met him. >> did he come across as a president? >> nobody -- i'm afraid nobody quite comes across as a president until they're in the office. i will say this. he's a sober individual with, by any measure, an impressive resume, and i think it's important to note that there is some virtue in providing an honorable alternative at least on the first impression, he certainly seems to fulfill that criterion. so put all that on the table to start. >> national review has been against donald trump for a long time. was he there to solicit your editorial support? >> i'm sure he was there to introduce himself and i'm sure he knows that it's a sympathetic audience, more than he would
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receive at say, the rnc right now. i'm sure we will let this play out for a little bit to see what kind of impression he makes with a wider audience. >> i want to shift it to you. in terms of the two other independent candidates combined, i think they are about 12%. when do any of them start to become a factor and an issue? >> as mike murphy said, you got to get earned media. you got to be in the mix. something happens, there's a terrorist attack or the jobs numbers come out, you want to be in the mix so people go to you and i think the polls matter most of all. and fund-raising. that's a big -- going to be a big factor. obviously poll standing to get into the debates. trump doesn't want other candidates in the debate. did he talk to you at all about his fund-raising, how much he thinks he can raise and how? >> didn't talk about concrete numbers but said there are serious donors, whose names people would know. not that he would share on the record. >> what issue positions, he put
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out a statement on his website that's kind of a standard boilerplate set of positions. he sounds like mitt romney or paul ryan. what issues do you think he might talk about to break through against primarily trump and clinton? >> i think he's probably going to focus primarily on national security in as much as he does talk policy and not the memes. these two candidates who he's running against. he spent more than a decade in the cia running covert operations overseas. he has a strong background in all of that. i would say it's obvious that he knows more about it than trump and there's no evidence that he's endangered national security like the democratic candidate. i imagine he will push that as a theme. >> we were both surprised he made this big announcement today and was invited on here, declined. we haven't seen him anywhere today. not what one would traditionally do when launching a candidacy. >> i mean, i'm not sure. there were a couple obviously of his support staff in the room. they said they are being overwhelmed with media requests
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and trying to fill as many as possible and they said to be looking for his face and voice over the next couple days and he will try to be in as many places as possible. that's as much as i know. >> did he show a sense of humor? >> yes, he did. he's quiet, articulate. it's not clear, we weren't really able to go into it in the time we had whether he understands the nitty-gritty details of policy. i imagine he can talk about some of these issues with fairly -- at a fairly precise level. but that's going to be -- it's going to be difficult for him sort of temperamentally -- >> you are intrigued but the jury's out. fair summary? >> that's right. >> temperament issue again. >> ian tuttle quiet with a good sense of humor. we'll be right back. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close.
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it's one question. do you or do you not want donald trump to be president? >> all right. bloomberg.com is your one stop shop for all you need to know about the trump economic speech today. we'll be back tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel. sayonara. coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." is donald trump out of the ditch and back to the pitch? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews from washington. can donald trump get back on game after a week of increasingly scary poll numbers? the republican nominee went on offense today with a serious speech on economics and a frontal attack on hillary clinton. >> our party has chosen to make new history by selecting a
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