trump to be president? >> all right. bloomberg.com is your one stop shop for all you need to know about the trump economic speech today. we'll be back tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel. sayonara. coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." is donald trump out of the ditch and back to the pitch? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews from washington. can donald trump get back on game after a week of increasingly scary poll numbers? the republican nominee went on offense today with a serious speech on economics and a frontal attack on hillary clinton. >> our party has chosen to make new history by selecting a nominee from the outside and

that's outside of the very, very already proven rigged system. the other party has reached backwards into the past to choose a nominee from yesterday who offers only the rhetoric of yesterday and the policies of yesterday. there will be no change under hillary clinton, only four more years of weakness and president obama. but we are going to look boldly into the future. >> trump's speech was interrupted more than a dozen times by protesters. one protester shouted, this is ridiculous, tiny hands while he was escorted out of the auditorium. there's still humor out there. unfortunately for trump, the bad news continued into this week with a brand new poll today that shows him losing by double digits to hillary clinton. look at this one. 13 points he's down among likely voters. that's the one that matters. that number. 13 points in the latest monmouth

university poll. clinton gets 50% which is enough to win. trump is at 37 percent. he's falling into the 30s. that's a five-point jump for clinton from last month, while trump is down six. and in pennsylvania, the keystone state which in this case is the keystone to any trump potential, the one he needs to win. a new poll shows hillary clinton in pennsylvania with a very healthy lead. she's up by ten, 47% to 37%. looks like she's in good shape in pennsylvania right now and it's august. meanwhile, turmoil continued within the ranks of the republican party. the director of communications for the republican party of florida announced he was quitting today. 50 republican national security heavyweights signed an open letter today challenging their party's nominee. they wrote trump quote, would be the most reckless president in american history. and a new candidate emerged, evan mcmullin, announced his bid today. let's face it, his road is a

tough one. the deadline to get on the ballot has already passed in most states, 26 of them. robert costa is national political director for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst. eugene robinson is with me, also a msnbc political analyst and dana lash is a talk show radio host and author of "flyover nation" which is a fascinating idea. let me go to robert first on the road. what is trump up to? has he really got his boots pulled up now? is he ready to go? is he on the road to a serious gn? >> today's speech was certaly an overture to a certain wing of the republican party. the supply siders, the idealogical conservatives, those like paul ryan, the house speaker here in wisconsin, who have been reluctant to embrace trump fully. with trump's speech, he was saying to them on tax cuts, on the normal things, on economics, that you are usually for, i'm with you. >> what about the discipline he showed? did he show discipline? i see he's got teleprompter

windows there or plates, whatever you call them. you can see them on beth sidoth. is he reading that speech? >> he was reading the speech. it was very similar to donald trump's convention speech both in terms of delivery and the kind of populist economic messages he was pushing. this is something party leaders were looking for. they looked at his campaign over the last nine or ten days and wondered can he get back on track, not only because of the sliding polls but because of the temperament, the way he's coming across to voters. this was a test. generally party leaders today look at this speech and have told me that they like what they heard, they just wonder can he stay on message. >> let me ask about this whole question, there's two great opportunities for trump. one is only 32% of the country according to our poll with the "wall street journal" that says this country is headed the right direction. political commentators say look at that number, it will tell you how the election is going to go. if people aren't happy they will go for somebody new, get rid of the person they know already. the second thing is this general

dissatisfaction with the country is out there, you don't have to measure it, it's there. has he been able today to get back on that track, to exploit the anger against hillary, the anger at the way things are going? >> i think that today was a very good first step. if he can stay on point like this, and really hammer home how exactly he's different from hillary clinton, what exactly he's going to do in order to improve jobs and wages and just the economy in general, i think he stands a very good chance of getting in a good fighting position and making up some of this lost groun between him and hillary clinton. i think the rcp average had her seven points ahead of him. he can make up some of that ground but he can't get distracted by all these non-essential fights on the sidelines. his fight should be with the democrat presidential nominee, not anybody else. >> good point. gene, here's the thing. when you talk to people like my friends at home and relatives, they are very disappointed with trump. they won't vote for him they say right now. some of them say. but i say how about hillary. no, no. so is that what trump's playing

on? he can hit bottom but bottom is that point where people say below that number, you got all the hillary haters? >> if we were having this conversation a year ago, year and a half ago, we would have said the likely democratic nominee is hillary clinton and that presents an opening for the republican party. so that opening was there and was going to be there. the problem is that donald trump has been working to disqualify himself as president and commander in chief and especially since the two conventions, that week, that was a disastrous week for him. so the headlines tomorrow, man gives speech without melting down. >> but going after hillary, is there a point beyond which you cannot win? in other words, does hillary have a ceiling because people hate her? >> well, you know -- >> can she get beyond 50% some, low 50s? >> but if her ceiling is low, 50 is fine if his is low 40s. i think he has kind of lowered his ceiling.

i think once you disqualify yourself, if that's what you do, it's hard to get back. >> i know. i'm wondering in his position, if you can put yourself in his head if you wish to, in his head, he's thinking i'm plummeting right now, i got -- i need to rachet, i got to stop this elevator from falling. one way to stop it from falling is to say hillary, hillary, hillary. what did he say, she's evil, she's the devil? >> she's the devil. he called her just about everything. the attacks i think will intensify because of the two things he can do, he can double down i think, not so much on the economic stuff, but on the two issues that got him here which were immigration and free trade. i think he can double down on that stuff and he can continue attacking clinton. i think that's what he's going to do. again, the question is, has he disqualified himself. >> what do you think of that? does he see it the way gene is analyzing here, he's disqualified himself but he's not going to quit the race so the way i think he protects

himself against falling continually is say at some point the hatred of hillary by the conservatives and the right of center people is going to be enough to keep me from freefall. that is what he's doing right now? a lot of it today was against her. >> that is to me? >> i'm sorry, robert. go ahead. >> what you are seeing from donald trump is someone who doesn't see the summer season as particularly crucial to his campaign. when you talk to people close to trump they say he wants to bring downhill lar hillary's favorabi rating. the debates are the real showcases for swing voters, whether your family in pennsylvania or other places across the country, those debates will be the question does trump have the ability to be president. can he have a message, though, going into the debates. that's what something like this speech is all about. >> to your point, gene, about unfitness, here it is. as i said earlier, a group of 50 high-ranking republican national security officials warned about the prospect of a trump presidency in a letter released

today. they wrote quote, we are convinced that he would be a dangerous president and would put at risk our country's national security and well-being. mr. trump lacks the temperament to be president. we are convinced that in the oval office he would be the most reckless president in american history. that's the end of that. trump responded today in a statement, saying the names on this letter are the ones the american people should looto for answers on why the world is a mess and we thank them for coming forward so everyone in the country knows who deserves the blame for making the world such a dangerous place. dana? your thoughts? >> i think actually that's a pretty good comeback for trump because there are a number of different ways that he could have gone that are very trumpian. i think really focusing back on what really discredited hillary clinton with a lot of independents and a lot of moderate democrats, there are genuine concerns about how she would perform with regard to foreign policy. it's smart for a candidate to focus on that and that's what he needs to continue to do.

bring whaup what was going on i libya, bring up relations with egypt, muslim brotherhood, backing a dictatorship in honduras. if he wants to have a shot at this and if he wants to close the gap, that is what he has to do. >> you are offering this as sort of like this subjunctive with a lot of ifs thrown in there. do you think he's back on the rails? >> i think it's too soon to say that. the statement was a good sign but i kind of need more than just one example. i need three in order to say with confidence there's a pattern. >> suppose you got a firing squad of six guys shooting at you -- >> i don't do metaphorically. >> i will focus on one of those guys. you can't do that. that's why trump has so many people firing at him, 50 foreign policy experts attacking him, all these republican congressmen we will talk about who are saying i'm not voting for the guy. >> here's the problem. we are talking about this election as if it were a

referendum on donald trump. which it has become. that's not good for him. it's simply not good for him. he wants to make it a referendum on hillary clinton. we are talking about whether donald trump can two days in a row act like a normal, sane candidate. we don't know yet. we don't know the answer to that question. >> my concern is, as a commentator, is that hillary wins, great, but the bad part of that is people then say all that concerns the trump race were illegitimate. to a lot of mannamerican peopley are quite legitimate. somebody want to say something? robert? >> i think that's the key question here. this lingering populism. even if trump loses it remains. i'm here in wisconsin, because the speaker has a primary tomorrow in wisconsin where people are just spoiling for a fight and you see this across the country. they may not win but they have anger about trade and the economy. >> i think that needs to be addressed. i think the establishment shouldn't end this campaign fat

and happy. gene, i don't think they will. robert, thank you. tonight at 11:00 eastern, join me for a live edition of "hardball" with the latest poll numbers on the president, plus all the reaction and analysis of what trump is doing today. lots happening hour by hour. we will catch it late tonight. we will talk to speaker paul ryan's primary opponent, give that guy a little attention. the guy running against him. tomorrow, that's the primary if wisconsin. coming up, the list of republican house members who say they simply can't support donald trump and it's getting longer, this list. up next, mr. tom delay will be here to tell us why he's still on the fence about mr. trump. plus trump delivered a major economic speech today. while he tried to lay out his vision for the economy he spent plenty of time blasting president obama, who did actually if you think about it pull this country out of its worst economic situation since the great depression. didn't he? look at the numbers. listen to the language donald trump has been using against hillary clinton lately.

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welcome back to "hardball." after a tough week last week, donald trump's trying to turn the page today but as he looks to make a comeback, that's the right word, republicans continue to break from their party's nominee. just over the past weekend, this weekend, u.s. congressman scott ridgell of virginia says he will vote for libertarian candidate. he's the latest republican candidate to say he won't vote for trump and he joins a growing list of house members including as of today, ileana ross-layton, very conservative woman. richard hanna of new york. charlie dent of pennsylvania, represents lehigh. adam kinsinger. the list of republican senators who so far say they are not voting for trump include ted cruz of texas, lindsey graham of south carolina, ben sass of nebraska, the new kid on the block, mark kirk, worried about his re-election in illinois. jeff flake, one of the stars of the future.

and dean hower of nevada. all of them off trump. joining me is former republican congressman and house majority leader tom delay who hasn't aged a day since the last time i saw him. there he is. hi, tom. how you doing? he's the author of "a radical call from the former majority leader of the united states." sir, tell us about trump and how he fits into where your republican party was headed when you left it, when you stopped being a leader. what's going on in your party? >> well, unfortunately, the party is split apart mainly and i think this has been said by you and so many others, the type of leadership that we've had in the house and the senate over the last few years has greatly exasperated a great number of people in the party. they will take anybody that will shake up or throw a bomb right in the middle of washington, d.c., and we are seeing the results of that.

the party is split, people are all over the place. as far as i'm concerned, the constutional conservatives are in disarray. they don't know what to do. it's pretty dismal. >> where would you place trump in philosophy? >> he's not a conservative. that's for sure. he's becoming more and more conservative. his speech today was a pretty good speech. i don't agree with him on trade. he's wrong about nafta. but it was a pretty good speech. good solid republican speech that i appreciate. then he had to throw a few things in there like day care and other things that are unconstitutional but you know, i thought it was pretty good and i think a lot of people will be -- will breathe a sigh of relief to hear him give this kind of

speech. he needs to do more of this all the way through the rest of the election. >> well, he's for lowering the top tax rate. obviously he wants to get it down to 33%. he wants corporate down to 15%. they are all understandable conservative goals. supply side goals. what didn't you like about his plan to give you a tax deduction for people who pay taxes, of course, you don't get a tax deduction if you don't make tax payments, if you get a deduction for what he called the average child care expense? you can't go hire some ph.d. to take care of your kid and charge the whole amount, obviously, but he's saying you can get a full deduction. you said that's unconstitutio l unconstitutional. >> we have been wanting at least for the last four years, in the election of '12 and '14 people have been calling for a flat tax or consumption tax and get rid of this progressivism in our taxes. he said himself that anybody that makes under a certain amount of money won't pay any taxes. everybody needs to be paying

taxes. and this going from seven rates to four rates, that's just playing games and it's frankly playing democrat games. cutting taxes is very very important, trying to figure out how we can stimulate growth is very important. i think he's getting there. but for instance, he never said anything about spending. spending is so out of control. you can't cut all these taxes and not cut spending, too. >> i heard it. he doesn't want to touch entitlements like social security, stuff like that. what do you think on a political basis, can you read the house in terms of numbers? you need 218 to rule. i haven't heard anybody say your party's going to lose the house. is that a smart bet, the house is there for the republicans no matter what trump does? >> well, i think the house is in very good shape. the members are not running on the presidential election. i think this is going to be a rare election where you have

members of the house at least in their district will poll more votes than the president will. i think a lot of these senate races will pull more votes than the president will. i think the vote for president's going to be really soft and low and hillary and trump are going to have to work very hard just to get out their vote, and right now, hillary has an up on that because she has an organization and trump doesn't. so all these members and these senators are running their own races which they ought to be doing. and they ought to be talking about what they would do when they go into congress, regardless who's going to be president. it's going to take good solid constitutional conservatives to stand up to either trump or hillary. >> what about the ethnic thing? back when i was growing up, when i first started paying attention to politics about the '60s, the black vote was about two to one democrat. about a third of the

african-americans voted republican. people like famous people, lionel hampton and jackie robinson were all republicans and a bunch more famous people, wilt chamberlain. there are a lot of famous well-known people in sports and entertainment we knew were republican. then because of what happened in the '60s and johnson and the civil rights bill it went to 90 to 10, african-americans vote for republicans. i saw a poll recently that's out there now that shows that in ohio and pennsylvania, donald trump is getting zero black votes. it's almost unimaginable there aren't some conservative african-american guys and women out there. zero. what's that doing to your party? in terms of getting a fair shake in the black community? >> well, we have never really done very well over the last few years -- >> but zero? >> zero is pretty bad. but that's the result of a very active primary where some

members including donald trump didn't watch what they were saying or projected the fact that they didn't care. how many times did donald trump say i don't care if the conservatives vote for me. hopefully that can be turned around a little bit between now and the general election but this is going to be, as you know, chris, this is going to be a referendum on hillary or trump. right now the referendum's on trump which hurts him but i think trump is going to be -- because hillary is so flawed, you can turn that around. >> i know all about that. one last question, when do the number of hispanic voters in texas who are legal voters going to make that state purple and no longer red, and maybe even blue? when's that going to happen? >> in texas? >> yeah. >> hispanics are -- a lot of hispanics are republican in texas. >> you don't see the state of texas getting to be competitive?

>> no. not at all. not for awhile. >> okay. >> lit take a lot. >> all my progressive friends are hoping it moves faster than you think. tom delay, thank you for coming on. appreciate it. you gave me the scoop when you quit. i will never forget. up next, donald trump says he's the candidate best positioned to fix the economy but what exactly needs fixing? if it ain't broken, what do you want to fix? things are clearly broken by the voters' perspective. they are not happy with the way this country's going. the turnaround we have seen the last eight years. that's coming up next. join me for a special edition of "hardball" tonight at 11:00 p.m. we will have a whole new show. ♪ i'm going to make this as simple as possible for you. you can go ahead and stick with that complicated credit card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or... you can get the quicksilver card from capital one.

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start winning again big league. there will be no change under hillary clinton, only four more years of weakness and president obama. >> welcome back to "hardball." republican nominee donald trump there he is delivering a major economic speech in detroit today calling for massive tax cuts. in fact, the top income rate of just 33% rather than 25% he had been proposing. a 15%, 15% top corporate rate, reduce the number of tax brackets from seven to three, fully tax deductible child care, repeal, of course, of the affordable care act, and of course, a renegotiation of all trade deals. trump also criticized what he calls the obama/clinton economic policies. >> their policies produced 1.2% growth, the weakest so-called recovery since the great depression. it's been written about all over. it's a disaster.

and a doubling of the national debt during the obama years. there are now 94.3 million americans outside of the labor force. home ownership is at its lowest rate in 51 years. nearly 12 million people have been added to the food stamp and these people are growing and it's growing so rapidly since president obama took office. we have the lowest labor force participation rates in four decades. one in five american households do not have a single member in the labor force, not a single member of the household. these are the real unemployment numbers. the 5% figure is one of the

biggest hoaxes in american modern politics. >> of course, what trump didn't talk about was to give president obama who has a 53% job approval rating credit for the economic recovery since he took office. under the obama administration's policies the 2008 recession came to an end, the president pushed through a stimulus package to rejuvenate the economy, bailed out the american auto industry, it's still there, pushed through health care reform, tax cuts, wall street reform and negotiated the largest trade deal in history. and ten million jobs have been added, ten million. job openings are at a 15 year high. the unemployment rate is down from 7.8% in january 2009 to 4.9% today and there are 15 million fewer uninsured health care people. anyway, peter navarro, a trump economic advisor and jared bernstein former advisor. let me ask about this debt. sometimes democrats talk about the debt but usually it's republicans talk about the debt. here's a republican presidential nominee talking about how he will stop all these deficits

with a huge program of tax cuts, reducing the top corporate rate to 15%, the top indidual rate to 33%. all big tax deduction for child care. good things, but no spending cuts which means by definition, even though, even with dynamic scoring keeping and all that babble, this guy will increase the national debt. first thing he will do is increase the national debt. after campaigning against it. your thoughts? on that topic? >> let's see if we can put this in perspective. >> before you put it in perspective, let's talk about the debt. the debt. >> we will talk about the debt. whnchlg >> when? >> the benchmark is president obama in 2008, $10 trillion in debt. he will leave with $20 trillion of debt. how do you on tack trump on that? >> attacking trump? trump has been campaigning on reducing the national debt. >> this is a great day for donald trump. because this plan -- >> you do have every time. peter, this is an interview program. i ask the questions and you answer them. that's how it works here.

i'm sorry. this is an interview. my question is how is he going to reduce the debt if he's cutting revenue? >> by cutting gdp growth rate -- by doubling the gdp growth rate, by regulatory policy, energy policy, tax policy and tariff policy. that's what everybody's missing here. you can't cherry pick the tax program and not look at the whole trump plan. >> okay. great. >> if he's able to double the gdp growth rate back to its historical average of 3.5%, it's been 1.8 for 15 years of bad trade deals, we will have all the tax revenues we need to more than offset any tax cuts. >> let me go back to peter for a second here. you want to respond to that? here's the question. they are talking about cutting the corporate rate, individual rate, giving tax deductions for child care, all that good liberal stuff. used to be good liberal stuff. now it's conservative supply side. here's the problem. then raising tariffs. >> so look -- >> cost of goods go up across the country. >> if you could eat ice cream

sundaes all week and never gain a pound, supply side economics would work. their initial plan lost $10 trillion in revenue over ten years. that was scored by the tax policy center, nonpartisan group. they went back to the drawing board and said that's too much on the debt and deficit so they recalibrated and now haven't said how much but probably something in the neighborhood of maybe $3 trillion they are going to lose because they lowered that. but it may actually be a lot worse than that. you are exactly right to focus in on this inconsistency between the idea of massively cutting taxes, corporate rate this goes down by more than half, there's something called a pass-through rate that's going to be a huge incentive for everyone to pass their income through the personal side. that's going to be a big revenue loser. and donald trump said he's going to hold social security constant, hold medicare constant, add to defense spending. once you're losing this much revenue you can't possibly do that without doing one of two things. you either raise the deficit and the debt or you have to cut a whole lot of spending and --

>> peter, my question to you, jared makes a point here. if trump was confident of his economic nostrum, of his plan for lowering tax rates, the three rates, why did he raise them? if he thought lowering tax rates meant more revenue, more gdp growth, why did he raise the rates? >> because in terms of the deal that's got to go through congress, that makes sense. let's look at the synergies. why you want to cut the corporate tax rate is not to enrich the corporations. it's to make sure that they are not pushed to mexico because we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. this is what you guys are missing. you just want to do this robin hood kind of thing -- >> no, no, he's doing the robin hood. he's doing the robin hood. let me ask you -- okay. so let me -- [ speaking simultaneously ] >> in '86 we lowered the top

rate down to 28%. and reagan -- okay. i know you're setting all these goals but they don't mean anything. >> believe me, if supply side -- hold on, peter. hold on, peter. >> this is not supply side, jared. this is not supply. >> yes, it is. >> this is not supply side. >> when you talk about -- >> okay. >> listen, when you talk about -- >> let me get back to basics. where most people watching are going to pay attention to this. the economy according to the american people, we are heading in the wrong direction. 32% of the country says we are headed the wrong direction. that is a problem for hillary? >> if the country is happy with the current economic policies why are more than two-thirds of people against the way things are headed? >> i actually think when people look at the alternatives in terms of the economic plans you are hearing, the choice -- >> two-thirds of the american people plus say wrong direction. why are they saying we are heading the wrong direction? >> because the growth in the economy is not reaching them the way it should. that's something both campaigns

happen to agree on. the problem, and this is very much in the context of what we are talking about, the trump campaign looked at this problem that the gdp growth isn't reaching the middle class the way it should and said that's why we have to enrich our corporations and enrich the wealthy and eliminate -- eliminate the estate tax, eliminate the estate tax and cut the top rate from 40% to 33%. >> he's going to eliminate the estate tax? >> he's xwogoing to eliminate t estate tax which affects 2% of estates. >> why is he doing that? >> clinton wants to do the standard keynesian stimulus. we have a crazy balance sheet at the federal reserve with all this easy money. we have gone eight years and got the weakest recovery since world war ii. obama got a free pass for the first year or two in office. he's been in there eight years. trump is attacking this economy from a structural point of view

through comprehensive tax reform, trade reform, regulatory reform and energy reform. he wants to leverage all the strengths of our economy. this economy, energy economy alone, we are blessed and hillary clinton wants to put coal mining out of business. she said so. >> i got to end with a thought. you want to live like a republican, vote like a democrat. the republicans are doing, anybody with wealth in this country is doing incredibly well. the stock market is up to 18,500. it was down to 6,000 something. obama tripled the wealth of people with money in the market. tripled it. no republican has ever done that. why do they want to change that policy? explain that. >> the one sector that's actually -- [ speaking simultaneously ] >> they want to make them -- >> our jobs are going from detroit to mexico. >> i'm sorry, i don't mean to talk over your filibuster.

>> the problem with this plan is why do republicans think the best way to get people who are rich to do more, work harder is to give them tax breaks and the best way to get working people is cut their programs. punish the poor, reward the rich. by the way, this program is all about tax cuts for the rich. look at this stuff. >> no, it's not. that's what you're missing. it's all about reducing the trade deficit. the trump trade doctrine. >> top corporate rate, 15%. [ speaking simultaneously ] >> okay, thank you. all right. >> there's not one thing in this plan that reduces the trade deficit. there is not one thing in this plan that reduces the trade deficit. all it is is tax cuts for rich people. i'm sorry. i have to talk over him because he won't let anybody get a word in. we have tried this a million times and it never works.

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the understanding to occupy the most powerful position in the world. >> she lacks the judgment, temperament and moral character, moral character, to lead this country. >> a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons. >> hillary clinton furthermore can never be trusted with national security. >> there is no doubt in my mind that donald trump is unqualified to be president and unfit to be commander in chief. >> hillary's central role in making iran the dominant islamic power that they are today in the middle east proves that she is totally unfit to lead. >> joining me in tonight's roundtable, howard feinman,

april ryan, and sahil kapor. i think we should call this the playpen for politics. that is distressing. there you have trump using hillary's ammo, throwing back the live grenades. >> to your point, there is a little bit of an "i know you are but what am i" quality to the way trump is dealing with this. i'm not sure what he's going for. he's not going to win an election if the topic is temperament and qualifications. >> how about if it's hillary hatred? >> if he can get her on trust, talk about status quo, being secretive, concerns people have about her. on temperament, a monmouth poll said 61% of americans believe clinton has the temperament to be president. qualifications. the "the washington post" poll yes, 60% said she's qualify to be president. he's not going to win if this is the topic. >> it looks like he thinks he stops his free-fall by hitting her hard because everybody has to say they don't like trump one week, then has to confront my

option is hillary so attack her. >> we all covered the rnc convention and all it seemed to be about -- >> some of us enjoyed it more or less than others. >> yeah. yeah. you enjoyed it? okay. here's the bottom line. it felt like the platform was nothing but -- anything but hillary. anything but hillary. where was the policy, where was the initiatives, what i'm going to do in the first hundred days? >> that's not what's going on here. >> that's the problem. you cannot build a foundation on that. it's about high school back and forth or grade school pulling my hair. it is ugly and it's vile. it's ugly. >> he's got to begin somewhere. it reminds me, my analogy would be to monty python and the holy grail where the knight keeps getting chopped up into pieces and saying it's a mere flesh wound. that's donald trump at this point. he's been chopped to pieces. >> i think it's simply a binary choice. nobody is thinking -- most people aren't thinking about gary johnson or jill stein. they are thinking these two, one

guy, one woman and they are saying you don't like me, how about her. >> the reason he's doing that is a very good one. you cited a bunch of statistics. the other statistics are that hillary clinton is still not particularly well liked or trusted. >> that's true. >> if he can get leverage on her and get the conversation about her, instead of about him -- >> that's true. >> he wants a second look. >> a lot of them don't like trump and are not satisfied with him. the one thing they can unit e around is they don't want her. they divided not only on things like temperament and things like tone, they are divided on major policy issues like immigration, like trade. >> how many people will vote just against hillary? 33%? 32%? what can you get just running -- >> the problem is for trump, he is now doing what he should have been done with many weeks ago which is trying to gather his base. >> exactly. >> the base, those polls are showing that white voters are

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let me finish tonight with a trump conundrum. this failure of a presidential campaign to be anything more than an everyday assault on something the republican candidate for president just said. the problem with it is that it's not getting us anywhere. what we need out of every presidential election is a debate. one of consequence to all of us. today, less than a third of people in this country believe we are headed in the right direction. what about the rest of the count country? are they wrong, stupid, ignorant, ungrateful. are they unaware of the glory these times deserve? it should be about changing what needs do be changed. a recharting of the economic course. that's precisely what we're not talking about because we're talking so much about the malapproprisms of the candidate, the gaffes that become the conversations of daily coverage. i'm not saying they don't deserve it.

anything having to do with nuclear weapons deserved our country. but they're crowding us out of where our country is headed. don't you should we should look at what the trade deals have done, the loss of industrial jobs, the wars in the middle east, the bushes have taken us into and left us there. don't you think we should take up the question of whethy we laa working immigration policy. it's about cheap labor and real enforcement about illegal hiring. this is getting lost after the late, trump buffoonery. this could be lost after election should the country decide to reject trump as unfit without taking to heart the bad direction of the economy in a culture that awards an educated elite but punishes those as a clinton once said, his name was bill, people who work hard and play by the rules. what i fear most is the smugness of those who watch trump lose and act as if his complaints lack merit, because their merit

our attention and action very much. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being us. join us again, 11:00 eastern tonight, for a special live edition of "hardball." "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> without security, there can be no prosperity. >> trump interrupted. >> all very well planned out. >> republican nominee attempts another reboot as his polling continues to drop. the republican defections continue. and clinton keeps attacking. >> he's got, i don't know, dozen or so economic advisers he just named. hedge fund guys, billionaire guys, six guys named steve. apparently. >> plus, fact checking trump's big economic speech with robert reich and davin k. johnston. yed another repubn