i hope it's your day ♪ ♪ i will -- >> segue reference there you might remember the jamaican sprinter was taken down by lloy. carl betty, never a dull moment. >> it's hard running a camera and operating a segue at the same time. "morning joe" starts right now. >> we now begin a great national conversation about economic renewal for america. it's a conversation about how to make america great again for everyone, especially -- and i say especially -- for those who have the very least. >> this is from a guy who has said he knows more than the

generals about isis. so he's not only putting our national security at risk, now he's putting our economy at risk. >> good morning, everyone. it is tuesday august 9th. we have dueling speeches. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have the managing editor of bloomberg politics and the come host of with all due with respect which airs on msnbc. i'm looking. joe, are you there? here is the problem, willie, and joe, if you can hear me, it's the one time i go to a bar. it's the one time. i don't go to bars. it's not me. and ratner gets in a fight. >> i got in a fight. >> what's wrong with you? joe, what's happening last night? you're rolling in late, he's got a black eye. the one time i go to a bar and you guys make a mess of th thing. >> listen, we go to the dog

track once a week. >> put your mic on so people can hear you. you're a mess. >> rolls in hot. >> i don't know what's worse, the black eye or late roll in. >> i'm going to say ratner told me to pick the wrong dog. then the dog took it personally and jumped up on him and started scratching away. >> you know what, i don't want to know. >> do you not have harry reid glasses? does anybody have sunglasses. >> you look good. >> going to be hard paying attention to those charts. >> he doesn't look good. let's not sugarcoated it. >> he looks like he's terribly hurt. >> i went into a bar -- that story is not going to fly. >> you don't have to tell us. >> he fell off his horse. the horse went rolling over a huge jump and he face planted.

i've seen him fall off a horse but not like that. >> different ideas. >> martha's vineyard 2014. you did. you were mad. okay. in washington, let's hope this person has it together. pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate at "washington post" and msnbc political analyst gene robinson. any injuries, gene? >> no, i'm fine. i'm cool. no problem. >> thank god. election day is 13 weeks away. >> 13 weeks away. >> weeks. >> last night kate and her friends. >> 13 years old. >> one of those screens, you can blow up the screen in the backyard. >> watch a movie like a drivin. >> they saw "jaws." i have not seep "jaws" since 1975. >> filmed on martha's vineyard. >> get a bigger boat.

>> it was really neat this movie was like 42 years old, had a bunch of 13-year-old girls watching. >> that's fun. >> that's what you call timeless, steven spielberg, evergreen. >> did anyone watch the movie at the beginning of the summer where they are not going in the ocean for the summer because they are scared. there are hammerheads. >> hammerheads. that's what they call the football players at williams. >> my goodness. >> election day is 13 weeks away and donald trump is waking up to another bruising poll. the msnbc survey monkey weekly tracking poll gives hillary clinton her largest lead yet, 51-41 in a two-way race. four way ahead by six points, 44 to trump's 348. this month after monmouth university poll shows trump down

13 points down likely voters. hillary clinton gained five points, trump dropped six to 37%. >> okay. >> do you want to look at factors. >> the numbers are all going in the wrong direction. mark halperin talking about it yesterday, he needs to have a really good speech. nobody watched that speech. nobody. i mean, we watched it. but people who are deciding who they are going to pick aren't watching that. at this point it's going to take something much better than a speech written off a teleprompter for trump to break through. he's got everything against him. he's got the big mo against him. a new candidate in the race. a guy that could cause him serious, grievous problems in utah and turn that state over. in a tight race, that could make

all the difference in the world. what does he do? are you hearing anything from the trump camp on what they are doing to do to make a dramatic turn. >> they lost susan collins. >> august is not the best time for a comeback during the olympics. he needs to continue to talk about the economy all august and into september and have a good first debate. he needs to bring republicans home and he needs to avoid the distraction. >> he's not going to do that. >> the defections aren't great. >> every single day. again, willie and i would hold up the papers and look at the date and say it's moving, time is moving. it's getting closer to the first republican nomination. you've got to start saying it's far off. we need to start holding up the paper and saying -- >> it's over. >> it's august 9th. he's running out of time. >> defections hurt. you'll see more endorsing clinton and defecting electric

trump. may not be huge figures, susan collins is -- >> when about the 50 foreign policy leaders. that's devastating. >> what people are really bullish about, people who have sway in their states. a florida state legislator, susan collins in maine. these people will drive a lot of votes in their state. after susan collins did what she did which will get huge attention in maine, there will be a lot more peop. florida, ohio, people with state standing, not necessarily national standing. >> even with the speech in detroit, which was a policy speech, didn't take it too deep, more details later, even as he laid out economic policy proposals, they differed from september. even when he's doing policy, people say, wait a minute, do you believe what he said in september about marginal tax rates or do you believe it now. what do you believe? what at your core is the right thing? feels like he made teleprompter

speech with numbers and statistics, the question is is that the the one he sticks to now. >> gene, one other problem for donald trump. we said this. before the conventions began, the numbers are going to get locked in after the convention. nothing really is going to happen of significant that will move voters opinion until the first debate. one poll after another, the most recent, showing he's down by 13 points. seems to me unless he does something terrifically dramatic he's doing to be stuck in a double digit deficit until the first debate. >> well, k of what it means when donald trump does something terrifically dramatic. it's usually not a great thing for him to do. no, look, this is a big problem for him because everybody is paying attention to the olympics. people are talking about that. if the presidential race remains

in stases until september, the first debate, it's remaining in stasis in the wrong place for donald trump. incremental losses as mark said, state level political celebrities coming out against him, this is not a good cycle for him. >> among the factors contributing to trump's slump, 30 point deficit among college educated white women, a group mitt romney won by six points in 2012. the poll also shows -- >> he's down by 30 points in a group that romney won by six points? >> yes. >> clinton solidified her support among democrats up 92 support this month. trump has 79% support among republicans, unchanged since just after sealing the nomination. as mentioned donald trump dealing with a series of bad headlines with members of his party taking steps to distance themselves from his campaign. there was senator susan collins who last night wrote an op-ed,

you need to read this, in the "washington post" sang she won't be voting for trump in the fall writing, quote, there will be no new donald trump. again, there will be no new donald trump, just the same candidate who will slash and burn and trample anything and anyone he perceives as being in his way or an easy scapegoat. >> what do you think of that. susan collins. maine is a state you know well. >> i know it well and i'm proud of her and whatever crutches her as a republican. paul ryan knows everything she's writing is correct. the republican leaders who endorsed trump and sit there in the middle, wishy washy semisupporting him, not liking what he's saying knows she's right and don't have the guts to do the right thing, which will hurt them in the long run. more importantly, they are just not doing the right thing and they know it.

>> there's a report mark kirk's nulls went up in illinois after he came out against donald trump. >> usually justice prevails. you don't agree with me, right? >> i thought of this as you wrote the susan collins essay because she wrote exactly when you've been saying. she's ongot a lot of influence not just in maine but a lot of republican members of congress will read that op-ed piece and think what you've been saying, which is maybe i should just do what she's suggesting if i think it's the right thing to do. >> going back took what bill clinton said, and we used to say this to explain donald trump's success in the republican primary, better to be strong and wrong than right and weak. you can say that not only with donald trump winning the primary but with these republicans being wishy washy, in this dead man's land. better to be strong and wrong

and get out there like susan clibs. >> i've heard a bunch of guys, i've heard you, mark, in a bunch of states, red states, it is hard for someone up for re-election not to be for trump because of losing too much of the base. >> it is a risk, particularly if you're in a house district that's largely republican. >> but you know what's harder? what's harder, being in the middle ground because the trump people hate you because you're not assertive enough for their candidate. then college educated voters in your district hating you. triple c running ads saying vote out kelly ayotte, she's supporting donald trump's hateful campaign for presidency. then every hateful thing donald says, guess who is endorsing it, kelly ayotte because hees still endorsing donald trump. >> you think from purely a political -- put aside doing the right thing, you think from political point of view, a lot of these congressmen would be

better off taking a stand against donald trump being our principle -- >> both are risks, one is a better risk. >> i think the worst case scenario is being in the middle. if you're for trump, be all in for trump. it's the media that hate him, pointy headed bureaucrats, all those rich folks on "morning joe" hate him. go all in, if that's when you're going to do. if you're not going to be for trump, then go all in and burn the building to the ground, salt the earth, make sure nothing ever grows there again and stomp all over him until he doesn't move again in your district. you can't be in the middle. gene, these guys in the middle who think they are too clever by half. i'll say it now, paul ryan is dooming his political future. he wants to be president of the united states. he'll never be president of the

united states if he's in the middle. he needs to assert himself. he's either all in for trump, which is fine, or he's going to tell the truth about trump. he's going to say trump's statement epitomizes racism. period. >> can't do it. >> can't have it both ways. >> ryan is a prime example. let's see what he does after he wins his primary. you can look at it and see and listen to him. you know he doesn't like donald trump. he doesn't want to support donald trump of he's not fooling anybody but he feels he has to support him. you know, i don't think there is a middle here. because if you say you're going to vote for donald trump, you're endorsing donald trump, you either own that or you go to the other side. but i just don't think you can be in the middle. nobody is going to let you be in the middle. >> are all these guys who are in the middle just stupid? >> they are making a really bad choice. >> they find themselves, willie, in a position they have never been in before, where the

nominee is so toxic. they are not exactly sure. this is uncharted waters. >> no, it's not. this is ab easy choice. >> i'm hopg they can figure it out. like i said as a republican, just pick a side. like in northwest florida maybe that side is for the candidates to be 100% behind donald trump. in wisconsin it's not. >> to me the best case of this political conundrum is john mccain. does anyone at this table think john mccain has anything other than eye rolling disdain and contempt for donald trump and who he is. >> right. >> yet he endorsed him because he's in a tight race and he can't risk losing his seat. that's the core. >> let's say two things about susan collins. she's not up for election and she didn't say in her op-ed who she is voting for. that's the problem you have if you're a republican. are you going to say you're hillary clinton. >> maybe she's waiting for the third option which we'll get to. >> john mccain, paul ryan, these guys who are support k trump at their dinner table in intimate

conversations with friends, this is what they are doing. you know what, that's pathetic. they are actually saying i can't do anything about it. >> that's quite a dinner party. >> what else -- or they admit they are being hypocritical and going against principles and endorsing someone repugnant to them on a number of levels. i can't imagine things donald trump said aren't repugnant to paul -- i'm going to assume paul ryan doesn't like racism. i'm going to assume, if i could -- is this going on a limb -- paul ryan is against banning muslims coming in our country. assume john mccain insulting war heroes, those captured and in captivity and yet he endorses him. >> you do not have to assume.

they have said it. >> if you're paul ryan and speaker of the house what are you going to do, walk away from your party's nominee. if you stay with them, is it going to be full throated or caveated -- >> no caveat. >> if he says he wants to ban muslims and paul ryan finds it repugnant. >> he shouldn't endorse him. if this candidate was a democrat -- you know what, he could be. i would be saying the same thing. >> this candidate, and here is the most bitter of all ironies. this candidate is a democrat. he has been a democrat his entire life. he has contributed to democrats his entire life. he contributed recently to chuck schumer. he's contributed to hillary clinton three times. he said in 2008 that hillary clinton would be a great president. i think he said in 2010 or 2011 that she would be a great secretary of state. she can negotiate well. he's a lifelong manhattan

liberal democrat. we have two new york democrats running against each other right now. two. >> he may have been a democrat but his speech yesterday was not a democratic speech. it was a wildly republican speech. >> and this is the fun -- lots of fun predicting what donald trump is going to do afterwards. willie. again, the thing is, if you're paul ryan, this is really -- i think this is the quote of the general election cycle, and you say everything he said epitomizes racism but i'm still supporting him, that is -- the sinner cannot hold. >> that doesn't go away. always endorsed donald trump. >> it's an attack -- >> let's look at certain disaffected wing of the republican party has long wanted someone other than trump to run for president. yesterday evan mcmullen stepped

forward to try and be that man. house republican conference, former cia officer, worked at goldman sachs as well. needless to say he faces long odds, he missed filing deadlines in 27 states to get on the ballot. branding clinton as crooked, he said he no longer could stand on the sidelines. >> i do believe he's a fraud and con man. >> what do you say to republicans who vote trump who say a vote for you is a vote for hillary clinton. >> he's already losing badly. he's alienated broad swaths of our population. donald trump cannot win. he's ensuring hillary clinton wins the white house. >> that's the thing, donald trump is going to -- donald trump is not going to beat hillary clinton. you can look at the numbers right now. let's look at the states -- >> what does he do in the process? damage. >> donald trump is building a brand that will help him.

he can still qualify in -- what states can he qualify. >> the great states have passed. >> still do new york, california. >> there are a lot of states. >> take utah. >> utah, colorado. >> does utah still have four electoral votes. >> five. four or five. >> four or five. anyway, we've seen several scenarios in the past couple weeks before trump's collapse that this race could end up tied. lou at alabama, you look at tennessee, indiana, you look at states where there are religious voters who are offended by donald trump, and there are some that are offended by donald trump. he has a chance to pick-off utah especially and then pick-off a state or two in the south, which you talk about, gene, closing down donald trump's route to 270, you start taking those

states out -- in utah, for instance, a lot of the polls show hillary 29, trump 29, gary johnson 10, something like that. you get a guy -- i think he's a mormon from -- >> went to byu. >> from utah, you've got a guy there who can get 33% of the vote and take those electoral votes. >> or get a smaller percentage of the vote but throw the state to hillary clinton. i mean, that's what -- i think this is a spoiler candidacy. but it can definitely spoil in a state like utah, a state like colorado, have an impact. i'm not sure hillary clinton need the help in colorado frankly at this point. she seems to be way ahead. there are a lot of mormons in colorado as well. >> a lot of mormons in arizona. >> absolutely. arizona. i'm not sure oi missed what the filing deadline is in arizona. >> when is arizona, guys?

we love this map. this map is fascinating. so it's in september. you have arizona that's split. if he draws 3% in arizona, trump loses arizona. >> yeah. you know, this is a significant thing, and it's not good for donald trump. that continues the pattern we've seen since the end of the conventions, significant developments in the campaign, not good for donald trump. it's been a terrible and maybe decisive period. >> six electoral. >> six. there you go. >> which means people keep moving into utah. >> state on the rise. >> you know what steve schmidt says about you. >> what does he say, joe. >> he's serious about it. it is so incredible living in a state that is so well run. they moved out there and he says he is stunned. he's in california. >> smart. >> back on the east coast. he said utah is the best run state he's ever been in.

he said it just makes your life easier every day. that's why i moved to connecticut. on the other end of the spectrum. >> still ahead on "morning joe," the man we've been talking about, the independent candidate for president evan mcmullen joins us on set. plus number two democrat dick durban and scott rig gell first member to support "morning joe." we'll be right back. >> he won the votes fair and square, more thanbo nomination and the convention occurred a couple weeks ago and he's the nominee. that's how it works in our party. it's grassroots. he got 14 million votes and nobody got close to that. that's the way the system works. it's pure democracy in this republic we have, which is in the republican party voters vote. whoever gets the most vote wins the deal and that's just how it

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republicans on this plan using the same brackets they have proposed, 12%, 25% and 33%. the city of detroit is the living, breathing example eye of my opponent's failed economic agenda. every policy that has failed the city, and so many others, is a policy supported by hillary clinton. detroit is still waiting for hillary clinton's apology. she has been a disaster, obama has been a disaster. i expect detroit will get that apology right around the same time hillary clinton turns over the 33,000 e-mails she deleted. >> donald trump ditched his original tax plan in detroit yesterday with a speech to refocus his campaign, push his economic message and adopt a

more traditional republican agenda on taxes. steve rutner is here with some charts on that. >> steve, let's look at the charts from a distance. >> give them to us like a punch in the face. >> just before we go to the charts, because we really need to talk about his speech. >> can i say that's a great angle. let's stay on that angle. >> poor steve. he has a black eye. >> like batman. >> i think that's my bad side anyway. >> you're crazy. i like it. >> you want to talk about trump or should we just keep talking about me. >> you're talking about trump. >> can i say one thing before the charts. >> yes. >> one thing before the charts. >> the speech was kind of a mishmash. if you're a pluto crat you would love because trade stuff. diatribe against government. >> you do not have to take that

shot. go ahead. >> millions of people watching this, joe, who want to hear about trump. >> i'm talking to tom. you talk. it was a speech that did not put him back in the traditional republican base. put him there, bernie sanders, a hole compilation of stuff. >> he was on board economically. >> let's talk about his tax cuts. he did reduce his tax plan from what he proposed in september. he basically adopted house republican tax plan, which is three tack brackets of 12%, 25, and 33%, but he also proposed 15% tax on business down from 35% and created this loophole where a lot of individuals, potentially, including you, joe, could actually pay 15% instead of 30%. >> what are you talking about? >> he's allowing all businesses, including those that operate as

llcs, partnership. >> i get a check across my desk every two weeks. >> you could change that. >> because i'mn connecticut i pay 56% taxes. >> i'm being told to push on. >> can you believe that? 56% in taxes in connecticut. >> would cost $79 trillion over the next years. clinton proposed increasing taxes on the wealthy, the so-called buffet rule where you pay as much as your secretary, raising taxes. >> so the buffett rule we've heard before are people -- millionaires pay at least 30%. is that what she's adopting. >> plus a surcharge of 5% on people that make over $5 million. >> on their incomes, 39% they pay 43%. >> 4% important. >> that's what americans need more, higher taxes to discourage productivity and get more people

out of work. >> but you don't like deficits so let's just continue and get to deficits, the impact on the deficit. on the spending side oddly enough both would increase spending. trump has a little over a trillion dollars in spending, a bunch for veterans but a lot interest on the debt because of the deficit. hillary clinton wants to build infrastructure, provide money for education, a lot of social programs that have been cut over the last few years. trump talked endlessly about infrastructure, how we have to fix our infrastructure but nothing in the budget proposal. i can't talk while you two are talking to each other. >> i'm telling him to shut his pie hole so you can talk. >> thank you. trump had nothing in his numbers to pay for infrastructure he said he was going to do to make america great again. finally trump is going to make deficits great again. his tax plan would add $7.5 or $10 trillion to our deficit over the next 10 years. clinton, this has been scored by

independent budget analysts, not just me, not just the hillary clinton talking points, these are independent analysts saying basically her tax increases match her spending increases. >> wow. >> willie, are you skeptical. >> that clinton number seems a little low. >> that's the net. she's got tax increases on the wealthy we talked about. spending increases. >> what's she proposing on reforming entitlements? >> zero. >> neither of them are going to get any entitlements at this moment. >> so is hillary clinton going to raise taxes on the middle class? >> no. she made this speech, i think you had it on your show, where she said we are going to -- she dropped the nt so trump put it in an ad that says she was going to raise taxes on the middle class. if you listen that's not what she's saying. it's not in her proposal. >> she just sounded like it. >> what's your point? >> she sounded like she was

going to raise taxes on the middle class. >> poor steve. >> you're saying if you play the record backwards it says turn me on dead man. i don't know what to believe anymore. >> neither talking about entitlement reform. hillary clinton's plan wouldn't make our deficit problem worse but also wouldn't make it better. trump's would demonstrably make it worse. the irony trump runs around talking about the $19 trillion of debt that we have and he's talking about adding $7.5 to $10 trillion more. >> so if trump is president, who pays more taxes? on their paycheck every week whose taxes go up. >> nobody. all go to people in the upper -- >> "the wall street journal" editorial board liked trump's speech more than you did. >> they liked tax cutting, everything but trade stuff. >> halperin when you were in college did you do the records

backwards. >> did you take pills last night? what happened? >> he's too young. >> stairway to heaven, man, you turn that backwards, he said several things. >> seventh grade, middle school, stairway to heaven, scott bradshaw. coming up, live to rio where a 19-year-old american just made history in the pool. a complete wrap of olympic highlights next on "morning joe." excuse me...i think there's a misprint. oh. model year end clarence event. looks right to me. shouldn't it be clear- clearly... it is time to get a great deal and a reward card on this turbocharged jetta. gotta make room for the 2017 models. it is a clarence event. why is that so hard for people to understand? it seems clar to me. clear to me. ready for a test drive?

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legend. >> legendary. >> what do we do for donny? >> lewd. >> very lewd. sam stein. whee! >> msnbc senior white house correspondent chris jansing. chris, a strong night for american swimmers. >> reporter: it was indeed two landed on the podium women's 100 meter breaststroke, both rookies, lilly king took gold. outtouching russian nemesis settled for silver. there's bad blood and went public after king challenged her over her drug history. the russian was suspended 16 months for doping and tested positive this year for now banned substance maldo n. here is king. >> going into a final, any olympic final the pressure is going to be on but especially standing up for what i believe

is right. i felt i needed to perform even better tonight than i have in the past. i'm really proud to represent usa and be successful for them knowing that i'm competing clean and doing what i know is right. >> reporter: a little cold war chill there. the men's 100 meter backstroke gold medal remains again on the chest of an american. ryan murphy setting a new olympic record to ep united states gold medal winning streak in this event alive. murphy the sixth straight american to claim the event. a streak dating back to '96 games in atlanta. forty years since a non-american man won the back. also to the podium earning bronze david plummer. he's 30, fourth oldest, lots of records broken. sixth time olympic sprinter usain bolt took to the stage in a press conference yesterday where he confirmed rio will be his final olympics.

he had some dancing girls in bikinis with him. while bolt is often the star attraction it was a reporter that put on a show for the world's fastest man. >> i'm from norway. i don't really have a question, i just want to say i really love you, man. yeah. and so i just want to say usain bolt, you're my favorite guy. i love your moves and feet and style. i hope you win. i hope you get the gold ring. i hope you win. i hope it's your day. i hope you will go even though you got hit by a segue. >> then usain bolt left the stage with more bikinis which we can't show you because they were itsy bitsy teeny weenie. and ryan who got emotional on the stand after being one of the guys that won the relay.

i got a chance to talk to him yesterday. here is what he told me about this moment when all of the guys got out of the pool and went in a circle. we don't have it? somebody else in that little circle has 19 gold medals. >> yes. >> this is your first? >> yes. >> what's it mean? >> i don't know words -- i don't know. i really haven't thought of a valuable answer to say yet. but to be part of michael phelps legacy, to be part of one of his is amazing and phenomenal for me and the swimming community. >> great kid. and then finally because this is "morning joe" and i like to bring the same repertoiral skills i would use for donald trump or clinton. here is a little bit of a great guy named cody miller.

he won a bronze medal in his first had medal and i got to the heart of what he's going to do now. >> i'm getting married, planning a wedding. it's great. we're going to have harry potter themed stuff. it's going to be sweet. >> wear the medal. >> robes. i'm being completely serious. yeah, we've got all that good stuff going. >> nbc universal happens to own harry potter world. >> what? i love that place. >> reporter: so a harry potter-themed wedding. that, joe and mika, is why you send me to the olympics. >> i love it. a harry potter-themed wedding. no. chris, thank you so much. up next "new york times" columnist frank bruni joins us for must-read opinion pages. "morning joe" will be right back. i don't know, i just always thought maybe my bachelor party would be a little less g-rated.

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pennsylvania. such a good all american guy. >> can i read frank's? he's here. >> writes, "hillary's summer of love." it's look more and more like donald trump is the best thing to happen to hillary clinton. he's definitely the strangest. with fits of pique, spasms of ignorance, flashes of demagoguey, turned gop's favorite boogie woman into its summer crush. dozens of prominent republicans have come out and said they will vote for her or consider it. clinton's summer of love isn't merely a study of narrative twist it's an opportunity in the nick of time despite our supposedly intractable partisanship a swelling group of highly visible leaders is putting country before indiscriminate allegiance to our party. you're so right. that's an invitation for clinton to do a bit of the same.

of all politicians, she could be the one with the best chance to move us a few crucial inches beyond this wretched sclerosis. who would have ever predicted that. you know what, you're absolutely right. it's amazing. >> bravo. thank you for coming on. it was kind of hard to get you here. you can go now. >> all's well that ends we will. >> maybe he has created some sort of weird unity. >> i'm trying to wring some good out of this election. >> you're doing a good job. >> let's figure this out. emanuel has a theory, thinks it's an andy coffman routine. he thinks trump is a lifelong democrat and playing this out as far as he can play it out. he's already bored. he's not even pretending to play respectable presidential candidate. at the end of it, he was like i'm a democrat all along. i can't believe you suckers fell for this. >> that would be interesting.

i have a different fear, because we've seen this in statements he said recently. that's a very benign theory. what if he's not just playing this out. what if he goes down big and goes down bitterly. i really worry about the aftermath. i worry about november 9th and forward in terms of what's been stirred up. we haven't had someone to lose sorely in the way trump is telegraphing he would lose and that's a scary thing. >> he's already talking about election rigged. >> exactly. >> certain people on tv that are drooling out the left side of their mouth and suggesting the election is rigged and a lot of other people are. the election is not rigged. >> i think there could be ramifications, gene, for republicans who are supporting him in this hedgey kind of way. everything he said up to this point you can't trust. look, i don't mean to -- even like there's pieces in the

newspaper about ivanka, sort of the star of the campaign, her speech about paid maternity leave, where her clothes are made. no paid maternity leave. sexual harassment, how they would respond to it, absolutely lame. we had plagiarism on the part of the potential first lady's speech. everything seems like a scam. these republicans could go down with it. >> they are damaging the brand, gene, for the entire family. these kids, who are the star of the convention now, are having to clean up after their dad every day. >> they are. this is certainly a problem for the trump family. you know, i actually disagree with ari, i don't think this is a routine. you can go back to birther stuff, for example. he's been talking crazy for a while. >> you think he believes that? >> i think he -- i don't know.

who knows? why doesn't he let it go? >> he doesn't believe the birther stuff. it's all a marketing ploy. he doesn't believe barack obama was born in kenya and i'm not defending him. this is worse you play it cynicaly. i've known him nor 12 years and i've never heard him say something that resembles a racist remark. he's the type of person if you're sitting around the table and someone made a racist remark he would raise his eyebrows and say, are you kidding me? this isn't the 1950s. this is a scam, a marketing routine. >> okay. that makes sense. that makes sense. look, one thing -- frank, i hope you're wrong about your concern about november 9th. i don't share that. i think there would be bitter people if he goes down and goes

down big. he might go down swinging. we survived bush just fine and we will trump, too. >> make it better. >> al gore and donald trump are too very, very different people. nothing about the way donald trump -- nothing about the way donald trump is comporting himself suggests to me he will lose with anything approaching the grace al gore lost with in the end. big, big difference. >> very damning. >> what happens next? >>ion. we're in uncharted campaign and have been from the very beginning of this campaign. we've never had a presidential campaign who got this far. the lack of seriousness here is amazing. i thought senator susan collins hit the nail on the head in "the washington post." >> she did. >> he has a base of voters that aren't going to do anywhere but with him and for him. by creating this sense, he keeps

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